Did WWI Propaganda Lead Millions To The Slaughter? | The Last Voices of WW1 | Timeline

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This award-winning factual series draws on a unique collection of one hundred interviews with World War One veterans in which the soldiers and their loved ones relive all the heroism and heartbreak of the years from 1914 to 1918. Most of these men had never been interviewed before or since. All the voices are now silent.
The declaration of war in August 1914 was greeted with a wave of patriotic euphoria as the British Expeditionary Force was dispatched to Belgium and two million men volunteered for service. War seemed like a glorious adventure. But the experience of battle and the horror of the trenches was very different to what these men expected.
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@browngreen933 7 месяцев назад

Starts with a snappy uniform and people cheering you on. Ends with your guts hanging out while war profiteers grow rich.😢

@user-ly6pl5ot9m 7 месяцев назад

Also to stop german despotism. But this are more likely s sidequest.

@charlesblack4657 7 месяцев назад

The War is a Racket book explained just how many companies got rich off WW1

@illbeback126 7 месяцев назад

War is a racket....

@wcads623 7 месяцев назад

Yes but not for those who have fight them for the racketeers@@illbeback126

@willbarnett3914 7 месяцев назад

War is war, nothing bad nor good comes from it, it's war.

@SqueakyChase 7 месяцев назад

This should be mandatory for every child in school to see.

@Ken-fh4jc 7 месяцев назад

I don’t think this is appropriate for elementary or middle school aged children. Most American children will have a difficult time understanding these men, like their dialect.

@SqueakyChase 7 месяцев назад

@@Ken-fh4jc Yeah, maybe filling them with liberal fantasy is the best thing. Reality has no place in reality...am I right?

@merryrose6788 6 месяцев назад

@@Ken-fh4jc Good for high school, college, as well as adults.

@maryfreebed9886 3 месяца назад

@@Ken-fh4jc The subtitles are there, though.

@unkledoda420 12 дней назад

@@SqueakyChaseare you always such an insufferable a**hole

@unbindingfloyd 7 месяцев назад

The ending showing that they are all gone from this world now is exceedingly poignant.

@sheilaboston7051 7 месяцев назад

And most incredible is that they all lived to be 100 or more.

@HughieMunro 6 месяцев назад

Even the youngest soldier In WW1 would be around 120+ now, it’s a scary thought how far we’ve come in only a 100 years, we’re will we be in 2100?

@lestercharles8522 7 месяцев назад

It's amazing that for their advanced ages these men have such vivid recollections of those events... When you experience traumatic circumstances they can leave permanent impressions on your mind...

@tannhauser5399 5 месяцев назад

@lestercharles8522 - That is very true. But it is also a matter of... training the brain as it can be "trained" too, and being active too - not just physically but mentally (even with something like doing crossword puzzles, every day reading and so on). You just have to challenge the brain all the time. Plenty of older active people in the academia, where it is quite common for older people to be fully active and have amazing memory (large Universities). A lot actually. Good example was somebody like Linus Pauling or Peter Fenwick. Note: Of course now it could be more difficult to be active as such (mentally), due to all the processed food, artificial stuff everywhere, and pretty much destroying the soil with modern agriculture designed only for profit (and there is some interesting data out regarding the content of vitamins and minerals, in various vegetables - and comparison to those from 20+ years ago; all decreased of course). All of that will actually influence changes in mental abilities, while getting older.

@alfredpaquin3563 3 месяца назад

It kind of leaves an impression on you. If you had been there, or any bloody war you would know. It never leaves you.

@lestercharles8522 3 месяца назад

@@alfredpaquin3563 can just imagine

@NiSiochainGanSaoirse 2 месяца назад

I'd imagine they never forget it, and such unspeakable horrors are replayed over and over and over on their minds.

@courtpaul9334 7 месяцев назад

WoW that was very touching ! I felt like i knew those soldiers in this interview 👏 To the last voices of WW1 RIP 🙏 🕊

@jafo766 7 месяцев назад

Francis Pegahmagabow MM & two bars was an Ojibwe soldier, politician and activist in Canada. He was the most highly decorated Indigenous soldier in Canadian military history and the most effective sniper of the First World War

@warmist8197 7 месяцев назад

What an incredible docuseries. Ill never forget the first hand account of a soldier putting a 14yro local boy out of his misery that lied about his age, joined up the was hit by a shell right behind him in no mans land.

@user-dk4tq1qb4d 7 месяцев назад

A tale as old as time

@gaozhi2007 7 месяцев назад

Beauty and the Beast.

@debbiep8260 7 месяцев назад

Reading the closed captions: I’m American and I can understand the various British accents better than the caption writers. My favorite so far is “mosquito causes” instead of “musketry courses”. 😂

@Sara-zx2wm 7 месяцев назад

That poem at the end there....ooo my heart!! Imagine to live with that...to 100 years old..in ur memory..unable to forget! I can't imagine! I hope that poem is in a book somewhere 🌺

@robynw6307 7 месяцев назад

Brilliant. And what incredible ages these amazing men lived to. Au revoir and rest well.

@Katmando376 7 месяцев назад

I have been out on exercise for 10 days in bad weather but to put up with these atrocious conditions for 4 yrs. with constant shelling must have been a nightmare!

@jameshunter3867 7 месяцев назад

...I have family buried in Flanders. With these veterans' passing, we have truly seen the end of an era. RIP all who served!

@apophisstr6719 6 месяцев назад

Wish the memories of war would not fade, because once our generation do, war will surely rises again.

@philpants44 Месяц назад

War never stops @@apophisstr6719

@lydiapurple2032 7 месяцев назад

This has been the way of the world forever. Imagine thank you.

@wcads623 7 месяцев назад

Yes but it doesn't make it right or just.

@wcads623 7 месяцев назад

Something I will never understand, why do the innocent masses end up having to fight wars and pay the ultimate price for those who start them??😢😢

@Chris-hx3om 7 месяцев назад

In a way, this one started because people unhappy about where they lived wanted to turn it into where they wanted to live, instead of just moving (not all that far!) to where they wanted to live.

@ruadhagainagaidheal9398 7 месяцев назад

My grandmother lost all the men in her family in the first world war - her father and three brothers. The boys joined the army because young women put white feathers in their hands, accusing them of cowardice for not volunteering sooner. I really hope those dreadful girls lost every man dear to them in the trenches and suffered lifelong grief and remorse.

@johnnytower6169 7 месяцев назад

I doubt they did, women have a knack for absolving themselves of any guilt attached to things like that We learned about the white feathers at school, there were women who started giving them out during the Vietnam war and before it’s end they were throwing red paint on returning soldiers

@sheogorath2657 7 месяцев назад

⁠@@johnnytower6169 genghis shows true nature of the submissive

@ShrekHistory 7 месяцев назад

RIP

@TravelatorH8r 7 месяцев назад

That's a great example of how propaganda can take our boys away

@JohnDoe-yq9rt 7 месяцев назад

If I told you who was responsible for WWI and all the deaths caused, you'd call me an anti-Semite

@darrenrexfrancis2538 7 месяцев назад

Great watch...I was glued!! (Apart from the ads every 7 minutes)!!

@Chris-hx3om 7 месяцев назад

Yeah, that's a bit of a buzz-kill.

@NiSiochainGanSaoirse 2 месяца назад

Ad blockers work.

@jeffsmith2022 7 месяцев назад

So many young lives were 'wasted' not saying the war did not need to be fought, but...God Bless them all...

@Chris-hx3om 7 месяцев назад

I guess this is the all-loving, all-powerful god?

@juggalogan 5 месяцев назад

@@Chris-hx3omStop blaming things on God and blame those evil humans, not all are evil by the way. He gave us free will. It's up to us to do what we want with it but there's always consequences to our actions wether we make a good or bad decision someone always gets hurt.

@Chris-hx3om 5 месяцев назад

@@juggalogan I'm not blaming god (can't blame something that doesn't exist, right?)... I'm trying to point out the hypocrisy of (believing in) a god at all!

@thebirdbrand 7 месяцев назад

WWI Vets we’re a different kind of breed…💪🏻

@anthonyeaton5153 7 месяцев назад

Rubbish.

@joeblogs6598 7 месяцев назад

"Is the government responsible for all the murders in a war?" YES!

@Chris-hx3om 7 месяцев назад

Not always.

@markpickett4403 7 месяцев назад

It was great to hear these men's stories thank you very much. 😢

@kickinghorse2405 7 месяцев назад

Thanks for sharing the testimony of these men.

@Ridcully9 12 дней назад

This is one of the most profoundly moving things I've ever seen. One of my Grandfathers served in WW1 and the other in WW2, they both survived but other relatives did not. This reminded me that they really were the greatest generation but were needlessly sacrificed

@theresalaux5655 7 месяцев назад

Wow what an excellent documentary! ❤😢

@janpersson9100 4 месяца назад

Thanks for sharing this, amazing.

@mohammedsaysrashid3587 7 месяцев назад

It was a wonderful video that embraced the testimony of these men

@loupiscanis9449 7 месяцев назад

Thank you .

@rodeastell3615 7 месяцев назад

Excellent .. thank you.

@timflatus 3 месяца назад

Bless these men. George Littlefair's story in particular really struck a chord.

@adrianh332 6 месяцев назад

My grandfather served with the Staffordshire yeomanry in Palestine and Mesopotamia. He told me funny stories about his service but it wasn't until the internet came about that i could check his service and he was in at least 4 or 5 really significant and bloody battles including Bearshiba Megiddo and all three battles of Gaza. He was the best grandfather ever and although he died in 1984 when i was 16 i still miss him.😢

@ash6653 5 месяцев назад

True history in a time people forget ww1

@DakkTribal 7 месяцев назад

All these men and women are long gone, and their words are now all we have.

@donjuan2421 5 месяцев назад

This is really, really good..

@BRYANTGRAYSON 3 месяца назад

“Any girls?” “Yes, half a dozen” 😂😂 30:42

@uncommon_name9337 7 месяцев назад

Propaganda? It still does that, people just call it these days as the "Truth"

@jackblack543 7 месяцев назад

But we have to stop suddam and his womd ☠️

@sijul6483 7 месяцев назад

Or "Settled Science".

@westpointsnell4167 6 месяцев назад

Yeah now we got sleepy Joe starting wars in the middle East

@Dezzasheep 5 месяцев назад

It's mad to think the current ww2 veterans are the same age of these chaps when recorded. It won't be long until both wars pass from living memory.

@tommyatkins2446 26 дней назад

`We not even said so long to one another` that broke me

@NiSiochainGanSaoirse 2 месяца назад

Yea, absolutely. Next question.

@kNINER-tj6mq 7 месяцев назад

My great great grandfather was a private in the belgian army calvary.

@Carma4001 7 месяцев назад

Yup

@louisetrott5532 6 месяцев назад

Profoundly sad.

@Dr_Nutrition 7 месяцев назад

So sad to see the kids they were in the pictures

@Jokercard2009 7 месяцев назад

When was this released?

@johnmccann1960 7 месяцев назад

Everyone that served their Country between 1914 - 1918, Everyone that died or was wounded in the defence of their Country between 1914 - 1918 deserved nothing but our respect and thanks for their service, their bravery and their sacrifices.. I served my Country, in a small way, I wore my uniform with pride, remembering those before me and those that came after me. Never forget those who came before you, lest their bravery and sacrifice fade and be forgotten.

@spmoran4703 7 месяцев назад

We will remember them.

@handlehaggler 6 месяцев назад

It's polarizing to me.. i'm either all for respecting and remembering them or i curse them for delivering us to where we are today. I don't think its foolish to take into account what the military industrial complex is and has become and where it's going. I understand how we now benefit from global trade and access to resources but i think it's also responsible for some of the chaos today. Whether their sacrafice was for the best or not... how much they could have still contributed to society if they were alive.. i'm sure we lost brilliant minds and cut off a great number of possibilities... sometimes i think of this like the way we prune trees, maybe just like cutting off a branch of possibility - we give life to many more possibilities. We always see progress in all fields of study when its a time of war or conflict so i think my personal concern is just thr fact that there is profit to be made from it for some/few. I wish i could speak to someone who sat on that side of the table so i can gain some insight into why they are able to sleep at night

@ImmortalWombat 5 месяцев назад

@@handlehagglerSociety used to be community orientated. Plus there was no Internet so people were not widely knowledgeable about the military industrial complex and world politics as they could be today. Not to mention the powers that be work with the future in mind while average people live for the day. They're inaction is more excusable than ours today!

@seandelap8587 7 месяцев назад

Most likely yes the same as has been the case for every existing war in history

@toadtheparakeet8541 7 месяцев назад

There has only been 1 other war like WW1 tho.

@user-bn7ws2gi2j 7 месяцев назад

Can see the pain reliving the his experiences fgdgddrom this war ..the lad from the north East

@flashgordon6670 7 месяцев назад

Why do we never learn?

@BRTowe 7 месяцев назад

We're a society of the most intelligent, cunning, and dangerous predators to ever live on the planet. War is simply in our nature.

@spaceghost8995 7 месяцев назад

I just saw an old photo of a huge gathering of very happy smiling young men all gathered at the New York Central Railroad station in my small town of Laporte, IN taken in 1917. These men were very excited and thrilled about going to war. They soon found out the horrors that awaited them. Many obviously never returned. It was far worse for the French and English of course.

@themsmloveswar3985 7 месяцев назад

It was worse again for the Italians. Then worse again for the Turks. Then even worse for the Russians. And worse for the Serbs.

@spmoran4703 7 месяцев назад

I think all suffered. And although the British and French were there longer . The USA had the most amount of injured and dead . They just were not prepared. All need remembering. Even the Germans

@leahflower9924 7 месяцев назад

Why do they call it New York Central in Indiana is it because the train goes to New York

@spaceghost8995 7 месяцев назад

@@leahflower9924 The New York Central was a GIANT RR with thousands of miles of trackage. They also had a mainline from NYC to Chicago which ran through Indiana and is a very busy line to this day. Goes through Gary, Toledo,Cleveland,Buffalo,Albany etc. It's now owned by Norfolk Southern. New York Central merged with Pennsylvania RR in 1968 forming Penn Central . They went bankrupt and the government took it over which was called Conrail. Now it's owned by Norfolk Southern.

@nathanvessels8262 7 месяцев назад

anyone know the music at 23:05?

@ash6653 5 месяцев назад

True bravery

@raylocke282 6 месяцев назад

I hear the pipes a calling!

@whatadollslife 7 месяцев назад

the musician Sting wrote a beautiful song about the sacrifice given called "Children's Crusade " where he equates WW1 Britian political movement with world drug addiction and poverty in the 1980's and the poppy's and patriotism we remember them with ...entire generation of young people's lives lost ....................we could say the same about many commercial products ..oil, rubber, minerals, land ................wars fought for commercial reasons ..average citizens dragged into it by lies and coercion

@woodyspooner Месяц назад

The properganda was relentless, putting a lot of pressure on the young men of 1914 to do the right thing and join up. Many of them would lie about their age, saying to the recruitment officer that they were old enough to join up due to the heavy losses on the battlefields during the war, the recruitment team turned a blind eye to the number of young boys lieing about being old enough because they needed to replace the dead troops with the new recruits, my grandfather was one of those young boys who fought in World War 1 he was one of the lucky ones, he survived to live to old age, the war had left its mark on him physically and mentally it changed his personality long after his physical wounds had healed.

@robert84va33 7 месяцев назад

I'm sure that all the time line subscriber's just love that 10 minute advertisement on how to make a bracelet out of beads good way to convince a man to buy utube premium thank you

@seanbailey6004 7 месяцев назад

Ever wonder why these men were blessed with such a long life into their 100’s? Maybe it is because they gave so much so early. RIP to all that gave and never asked why 🕊️

@markpickett4403 7 месяцев назад

Mankind is so ignorant. Animals don't kill each other like this.😢

@wcads623 7 месяцев назад

Yes we can learn a lot about humanity from the so called lower species.

@israel_started_it_ALL_in_1948 7 месяцев назад

War is terrible!

@spmoran4703 7 месяцев назад

You speak the truth.

@douglasbuck8986 7 месяцев назад

YES.....

@_bellatrix_potens_-bps-8366 7 месяцев назад

Sometimes I think: “How do you command millions of people? Overwhelming commanders and their egos and they were simply made to ‘meet the enemy in the middle’?” (simplified of course)

@dovetonsturdee7033 7 месяцев назад

I fear you have derived your ideas about WW1 from that profound academic study, 'Blackadder Goes Forth.'

@_bellatrix_potens_-bps-8366 6 месяцев назад

@@dovetonsturdee7033 This isn’t about the history of the war. It’s logistical. When was the last time these generals had millions of troops they ‘had to deal with and mobilise’? Even today with our technology and experience it would be a challenge to mobilise and supply that many men. Hence they literally had to meet in the middle by creating two sets of trench lines. I’ve been to Somme and Picardy many times including the centenary of the Somme so you can literally ‘see it’.

@chrisgibson2328 7 месяцев назад

Yes.

@andrewpetersen6116 7 месяцев назад

No lessons learnt from the Boer war

@WBA729 5 месяцев назад

The story of the 1st World War is a perfect example of what life was like living in Britain's past. Dreadful leadership from clueless upper class fools, similar to our Empire days. But also the bravest, toughest and loyalist working class people in the World. It's the everyday people of Britain that put the word Great in our name and not the fools who were our leaders.

@haveaknifeday 7 месяцев назад

I'm thinking that the weapon technology outpaced the entrenched tactics of the leaders. They didn't transition away from inaccurate slow loading weapons where you'd need to stand in straight lines. The machine gun chewed through the massed troops as a result.

@brianmaitai7685 5 месяцев назад

You can see the pain in George's eyes 80-90 years later..............................

@seanc985 7 месяцев назад

Is the narrator the voice from Battlefield 1?

@mwi3865 2 месяца назад

2:00 those voices need subtitles

@rathertiredofthemess2841 7 месяцев назад

And it seems (10/2023) that we are headed for another act of Lemmings.

@mayena 7 месяцев назад

OriginalThe History Channel broadcast 9/11-14/12/2008.

@candicearias8112 7 месяцев назад

War: Where old men talk and young men die

@spikedpsycho2383 7 месяцев назад

Banks

@elijahcaon8094 5 месяцев назад

I dont need to watch this to know the answer is yes lol

@vintageschumacher 7 месяцев назад

No matter what I watch or read, I look at Britain today and think what the F**k ! Knowing what I know now i wouldn't of joined up no-way. So so many lives wasted.

@cuthburkelambert1841 5 месяцев назад

Wouldn't have joined not wouldn't of joined I can bet u is American not knowing proper English

@juancasal4843 7 месяцев назад

I could understand to a certain extent why the British people went to fight for a king in the first WW but I don't understand why they didn't get rid of their monarchs after the first WW. How didn't they realize that the king of Germany, the king of Russia, and the king of England were all related and didn't care and to be quite honest the monarchy of England and other royals don't care at all about "their people " but yet the English people treat them like Gods. They should have gotten rid of the monarch of England just like so many European countries did after WW1

@thomasboucher8432 7 месяцев назад

Coz we’re all backwards and spineless us poor would do it in a heartbeat but the rich in power keep us we’re we get no say, the laws are only set to govern us poor doesn’t seem apply to them, yet the police n army is us poor they only exist cos they protect them it’s the most backwards thing I’ve ever seen

@dovetonsturdee7033 7 месяцев назад

The future Kinge George VI served aboard a battleship at Jutland.

@Ukraineaissance2014 7 месяцев назад

Its a constitutional monarchy. People abroad dont realise we dont actually worship the queen or king, they are only a representation of the country in a single organisation and an ideal of dignity, which is what made the queen so successful. The most successful european countries are still constitutional monarchies.

@juancasal4843 7 месяцев назад

@@Ukraineaissance2014thank you very much for your reply. It was a good explanation. I hope you don't mind me asking you another question. My understanding is that the people or countries that are still in a way part of the English monarchy have to pay at tax to the Royal family. If that true?

@Ukraineaissance2014 7 месяцев назад

@@juancasal4843 no commonwealth countries dont pay tax for the royal family and places like australia voted fairly overwhelmingly to keep them as their head of state. In fact some countries which weren't part of the british empire joined the commonwealth later due to its benefits.

@JohnJones-hh8cs 7 месяцев назад

Rich man's war .... poor man's fight

@davidstevenson9517 21 день назад

Rearding "tot of Navy rum" issued by the former officer (32:00). One anecdote is by the officer of a company, moving forward to go "over-the-top", that stumbles over the sergent supplying their ration, drunk at the bottom of the comm trench. Angry and disgusted, the officer ordered his company to continue forward, all 130 men marching over the drunken sergent, trampling him down into mud, drowning him. That "tot of rum" was important. Read: "Mud, Blood and Poppycock" by Gordon Corrigan (ex-Gurka Captain), Cassel, 2003.

@Sinn0100 3 месяца назад

I would say yes with a but. When all sides were gearing up for WW1 no one had a clue as to how bad it was going to get. No war in history before WW1 was even remotely like it. Half the generals on the field thought the machine gun would be a minor inconvenience at worse for them. They sent thousands of men marching straight on to their deaths thinking it would all be over in time for tea. I would say, that kind of thinking did more damage than the propaganda. It's unfortunate that no one headed the lessons learned in WW1...20 years later we all had to do it again. Only this time we absolutely had an understanding of what was going to happen and still pushed forward. Not good....had anyone been paying attention to what is happening today in 2024?! We might not be far off from a 3rd world war.

@MultiBurger1 7 месяцев назад

Yes Same as WW2 and now Ukraine

@jessicalulila5709 7 месяцев назад

Not so much for WW2. I understand why british would fight since Germany was bombing many cities

@paulbarrett6910 4 месяца назад

Where would the world be today if Gabriel Princip had failed?

@laurahoward5426 7 месяцев назад

My grandfather ( a Texan) fought abd was wounded in WWI and died hating the Kaiser

@kNINER-tj6mq 7 месяцев назад

Yeah the parades sending the poor smiling boys off to verdun, the somme, battle of argonne.. smh sad af

@CONTACTLIGHTTOMMY 7 месяцев назад

We are a murderous species.

@themsmloveswar3985 7 месяцев назад

No. We are a gullible, obedient, unthinking species. The psychopaths work their way to the top. The rest is predictable.

@jamiedriscoll9781 6 месяцев назад

8:47 kids on the sidewalk no doubt fought in WWII

@HOS3EINRB 7 месяцев назад

Persian subtitle please🙏

@gaozhi2007 7 месяцев назад

Too true. So, how many more billions are we sending to Uke Rayne and Ishmarell?

@spmoran4703 7 месяцев назад

After the nasty war going on in Gaza . You should shut up. To many people on both side suffering .

@neilhillis9858 7 месяцев назад

May Putin get the Mussolini treatment he deserves.

@lillianmcgrew217 6 месяцев назад

Well I don't know but it could have

@phil20_20 7 месяцев назад

Uh, let me think...

@raylocke282 6 месяцев назад

They died for the King,gladly on all sides.

@user-eg6pt8rs3l 7 месяцев назад

Cannon fodders.

@adrianvasquez2526 4 месяца назад

Is this a real question? It was part of it, yes.

@Tempestzzzz 7 месяцев назад

EMPIRE! One side wanted a bigger one...the other side wanted to preserve what they had. Everyone from the King/Emperors/Czars on down to the little people wanted the war. Once it started they could not stop it. Nearly everyone cheered when it started. Fools.

@Chris-hx3om 7 месяцев назад

You nailed it in one. Pacts and alliances dictated that as each nation joined to support another under fire, more would join.

@heatherpesterfield8121 6 месяцев назад

Worse thing is the have people convinced that dying in war is a great thing, that you’re a coward if you don’t fight for them, people should start telling the WAR PIGS go fight your war yourself and make sure you take your wife and kids with you

@jeannedouglas9912 7 месяцев назад

Why has Europe created so much war over the course of time?

@Chris-hx3om 7 месяцев назад

Until recently, the heaviest concentration of population and differing cultures... That only ever equates to wars.

@rathertiredofthemess2841 7 месяцев назад

Well how many young men and women enlisted after 9/11?

@torquilgordon8945 7 месяцев назад

The warrior poets all lived to 100 years or more

@leodesalis5915 6 месяцев назад

None of the famous ww1 poets from any nation lived to be 100, some came close but far more died during the war then lived long lives into their 80's or 90's

@anthonyeaton5153 5 месяцев назад

Poets were of no value and they made money out of their doggerel.

@calebshuler1789 7 месяцев назад

NO, DECISIONS MADE BY POWERFUL PEOPLE DID

@cugamer8862 7 месяцев назад

Am I loosing my hearing?

@blockmasterscott 7 месяцев назад

I would have to say that propaganda has had something to do with warfare ever since the days of the Sumerians.

@truesonic669 6 месяцев назад

Total monster 😊

@GTMemes 7 месяцев назад

Of course it was Silly question for a history page,? Without Propaganda There is no such thing as a war in the first place Is there? Give me just one example or a war that wasn't precipitated by using Propaganda first?