That actually sounds about right. Apple and pear trees are the exact same way, as any trees grown from seeds will NOT be true to the apple that you got it from (Gala apples won't give you Gala apple trees). If you want a certain variety of apple tree you have to graft a piece of the desired variety, the scion, onto part of young living tree/sapling called the rootstock and go from there. Though grafting can be and often is pretty tricky business and it can only be done at certain times of the year and you need a few specialized tools like grafting tape or wax to seal the grafting area to help prevent grafting failure.
Yep you got it. This is an interesting topic and many people refuse to accept it. Come back to this comment section in a few days if you want to be entertained. 🤣
What if you take an air layer from a branch that produces good fruit? If the tree will root like that you should be able to have a clone that has the same fruit as the branch it came from.
The avocado shorts are fun, I'll say that. Some of my favorite thing about fruit trees is just how diverse the genes for the fruit is! No brainer avocados will be similar. Seems like people just assume trees are like smaller, herbaceous plants where they tend to be true to seed. Though, I would love to have a decent sized plot of land to just go ham with planting wild cross seeds. The brain would love it but the stomach would probably not!
the stomach and the bank account might struggle yes. but around here there are nurseries that do exactly that. they plant seedlings and see what they get. every now and then we get a winner.
Learn to graft, anyone can make great avocados. 🥑🥑 Plant an avocado seeds and use as root stock, buy the scions, it's cheaper than paying for an already "grafted" tree. 👍
It is true that they don't breed true but you do get an avocado. I've lived in the New Orleans area and now the Miami area and in both places I've seen people just plant avocado seeds and get an avocado tree that makes decent fruit. A friend grows one from a seed they brought over from the Dominican Republic and some of its progeny are known to make a purple skined variety. Point is I'm not so picky about the cultivar so long as it's good to eat.
@@piranhaplantXbut most will taste basically like an avocado. Like store bought has and normal avocados taste different but most people won't notice if you make quac with either or both and don't tell them.
The house, avocado, he’s holding is pathetic and small. I’ve taken a real house, avocado seed and grown it. It produced even better Hass avocados than its parent. No matter how many times I plant, I get damn good avocado trees. But nothing taste, like caramel or wintergreen.😂
It's not quite so simple. In fact, a study of growing hundreds of Hass seeds resulting in many great tasting fruit. I wish I could give you the study, but it's out there. Hass, like all fruit trees, are grafted so all Hass have the same genetics in them. It specifically, is a selection of a hybrid that was fantastic. So, since Hass, and avacodos in general, are self-fertile, the seed, more often that not, will not get pollinated with other varieties because the Hass will not likely be frown for market in fields with tons of different varieties. They will be a huge field of the same grafted plant. Being a hybrid originally, the seed will produce similar fruit to the original Hass as shown by the study. Some will be crap and some will be awesome. All will be slightly, but not significantly different. But, if two varieties do cross, you can save that hybrid's seeds (F1) and grow it out saving a lot of F2 seed (very diverse) for a potential phenomenal potential. I mean, I wouldn't because of the resources and time required, but it's certainly possible. I do it with tomatoes all the time. So, really saving Hass has potential even if it's unlikely that you'd get the same great Hass, you might get close...or even better.
I'm curious about the study you reference because Hass groves are not planted out with only Hass. Avocados have two flowering types, A & B. The As fertilize the Bs and the Bs fertilize the As. Avocado farmers plant a type B such as Fuerte or Zutano every 6th tree to fertilize the Hass which are type A. Aside from that everything you say makes sense.
@@SleepyLizard I have a 3-year old avacado tree I grew from a great-tasting Haas. I did it based on the literature I mentioned. The tree is beautiful to grow so it has meaning if it never fruits. Still, l'm hoping for a potential fruiting tree. I grow it year round, and in winter, in my grow room being from central Arkansas and it getting too cold like now. So, I searched for a long time to find the study and almost gave up. I'm not sure that links are available to put on comments anymore, but a Google of "Self-Pollinated Hass Seedlings" will easily turn up the paper I was referring to: Avocado Society 1973 Yearbook 57: 118-126, by B. O. Bergh and R. H. Whitsell, Plant Sciences Dept., University of California, Riverside. Just more info for the search if needed. It's a 9-page .pdf paper that uploads, but for some reason, I recall more to it. Still, there's a good bit there. Hass can self-pollinate having both male and female flowers on the same plant. I may have to do it by hand or use some GA3 applications to get fruit. Not sure yet. I'm hoping enough will pollinate itself by pollinators. That would be nice. But, once I assess the fruit, if it's worthy, I'll root more trees from it's cuttings similar to figs so they'll pollinate each other as I anticipate an opposing flowering cycle on one of them. This is a plan that may never come to fruition, of course. The fruit may be crap. It may never fruit. Who knows, but it's fun anyway! I've learned over the years to try things for myself as motivations for putting out some information are hidden. This is NOT a dig on you. It's on my past assessments. I can tell you're honorable with your presentation in the video.
Mine is store brought Hass avocado. Seed planted 6 years. Now it's making fruits 8 for the first time. Don't know what the fruits taste. I'm still waiting till it's ready to harvest.
Glad to hear this. I’m trying to sprout an avocado 🥑 from my late father’s tree but it’s not producing roots yet. I have my fingers crossed 🤞 that it’ll take as I don’t have access to the house to get another. I’m just hoping to grow a houseplant for sentimental reasons. 🤷♀️
From what I saw in Costa Rica you might get good fruit from an avocado tree from seed but it's pretty rare. They're usually really mushy and too wet inside and/or the flavor just isn't good. Thank goodness for grafting. What would happen if you air layered a branch from a tree with good avocados or mangos? It would make a clone of the grafted branch and should have good fruit if I understand correctly. That might be a good way to get trees that produce faster because technically they're as old as the tree they were cut from. If they'll air layer correctly you could have clones 6" thick or more, with branches.
I dont know if what you had said is true, because my grandfather planted an avocado from seed 60 years ago, and the avocado tree till now still giving us a lot of delicious fruits.. planted
@@rnjchannel6410 Yes that is why you would want to make a graft from that tree if you wanted to plant new ones. You will know what you will be getting.
and still are. Every Hass tree is a cutting of a cutting of a cutting....of the original Hass tree that grew at the home of Rudolf Hass in La Habra Heights California 100 years ago.
And the guy that bought the house took down the original Haas tree to put in a hot tub. Sad but true. The local population reached out to him and tried to stop him but, he owns the property and he really wanted a hot tub.
There are very few production varieties that of fruit that are true to seed. There are more vegetables that are that way, but many that are not. What that means is the only way to produce a viable plant is via cloning (cuttings) and/or grafting. Usually many companies will also keep their parent stocks propagating as well. This will allow them to reproduce the cross breeding that resulted in this specific variety if they need some minor genetic diversity. However in many plants this is another roll of the dice because many varieties are based on flukes and can take hundreds or thousands of cross breedings to reproduce. Many people would be surprised in how many of our characteristics we identify fruits by are unstable genetic variations.
This is why I love the all natural crowd. "We need to eat what nature gave us!" Like mofo have you ever seen what corn looked like? Or know how many fruits or veggies cannot survive without humans the way they are? Anyway with that said humans can be amazing. Who the hell figured out grafting!
@@dianapennepacker6854 yeah, they forget that they'd have to spend 12 hours a day working to get food...wouldn't leave much time for drum circles and protests 🤣
The thing that always blows my mind with avocados is how many different shapes and sizes there are. I used some spherical ones for fishing at one point in Hawaii and it worked perfectly.
@@SleepyLizard it was 15+ years ago so I can't remember the name of the fish. Some locals on the big island had told me about this oily round avocado and how they fish with them. I tried it and caught fish but it can't remember the variety
Mango 🥭 avocado 🥑 or otherwise, do you know what the odds are of my seedling producing something that I'll find satisfactory enough to keep? I know it won't be true to seed, but what about a non disgusting variety?
I think you'll be ok. I've got a seedling avocado that tastes bland but not horrible. I've had others that were inedible. With mango I find the seedlings tend to be more edible but less consistent with fruit production. I had one mango seedling tree only produce fruit twice in 13 years.
Will most likely not be similar... sort of like when you have kids, yea you can see some passing traits but your kid will most likely look alot different than you.
You would have to look at a few things... is it self fertile? if not.... is there another vartiety near by that will polinate it? If it is self ferftile, it still might just be to young even if flowering. You could also fertiliize with a high a phosorus number which helps flowering and fruiting. @epbeep
Every day i learning something new from this gentleman's video. Thank you very much for those of us contemplating planting fruit trees, God bless you man!!
Can you graft mangoes on avocadoes? I have 3 big trees that produce 1Kg fruit that are buttery and have long neck , I wanted to see if we can give them a mango graft
Cannabis is the exact same way. Thats why i feel like most of the strains in the industry sre just named a cerrain thing to get sales. You have to clone cannabis to keep certain genetics.
I don't know about the Haas variety, but I do know avocados are male and females treesz and if you don't have both, you won't have any avocados. My mother has one in yard and averges 1 or 2 runty little avocados every 3-4 years because there are no other avocado trees in the area.
I think this video might help your understanding of how avocado trees produce fruit: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-Sgm-7wHT8K0.htmlsi=l6PCkhw7_Z-D8R8C
Im growing 30 apple trees because they are the same way. I hope i get good fruit in 3-10 years. But if they dont grow good fruit i will graft many different scion-woods from all the popular apples.
This sounds like an interesting roll of the dice, you just know, somebody out there is planting the hell out of those seeds in hopes of finding a tree that has an even tastier avocado .... the important question is what is the guy's name doing that, and will the next trend in fruit be called a Bobacado? Or maybe we already know ... perhaps his name is Nick? And will call it well .... Nickacado ...
My wife and I had a chance encounter with Ormand from the Nickacado channel. He was really cool and nice. We just happened to walk by him at a park. As for the people planting the seeds to get new varieties yes they exist, I have a mango called o-15 because the pot was in row o column 15. they haven't named the variety yet.
The only reason people graft a branch of an old and productive tree is to cut down the time of the new tree to become productive. Like a mango tree would take like 2 to 5 years it is just a waiting game until the grafter branch starts getting some height. Everything else is just bs.
that's not the only reason and it's not even the main reason. The main reason is because we want the exact same fruit. We want the flavor, the look, the consistency, the productivity, the disease resistance. If we didn't graft then the grocery store would have crappy fruit mixed in with good fruit and you'd have no way to tell the difference.
What if you graft from the new seed onto the Hass avocado tree? I know the opposite gives you Hass, but I'm thinking about the scripture where Paul talks about gentiles being grafted in.
good question though I don't think the Beatles knew much about avocados. Whatever you graft is what will grow so if you graft a cutting from a seedling onto a Hass the resulting growth will be the same seedling cutting. it's no different than letting it continue growing from seed on it's own.
THAT EXPLAINS WHY THE AVACODOS IN THE STORE ARE NOT EDIBLE. REFRIGERATED TO KEEP THEM FROM TURNING TO MULCH UNTIL YOU GET IT HOME THEN YOU HAVE A TASTELESS MULCH.
@@SleepyLizard when I lived in the The East Bay of San fran area almost every house had a fruit tree. I had a fig, and my neighbors had a lemon and the other neighbors had a Avocado tree.
But I love my little avocado trees, this is like finding out your kid is going to grow up to be a disappointment. Oh well I guess I'll love them anyways.
You never know until it grows fruit. You might have the next best avocado named after y'all! Just like growing citrus you can grow a lemon tree and get a type of grapefruit or a type of lime or orange or a mixture of any of them!
@@SleepyLizard I have heard that there are two limes that you can grow that will pretty much always grow true to the mom and one of them is key lime! Have you heard of that? That's why you can buy those two types of seeds online! I forgot what the other one is though but I know the outside texture is real bumpy! I would like your input!
I'm genuinely curious what what leads you to this conclusion. Can you give us more information? I ask because avocados are heterozygous which is the very definition of random. Also while self pollination and pollination within cultivar is possible, avocados have a flowering behavior that discourages them from self pollination which has led to tremendous variation in their DNA. Even seeds that come from a flower that pollinated itself can have a huge genetic difference from the mother tree. thx.
@@SleepyLizard That's isn't how zygosity works. In a pair, when both alleles are the same then the pair is homozygous, while when they are different the pair is heterozygous. Whether an avocado seed is homozygous or heterozygous depends on whether the alleles on each locus match or not, rather than whether they match being based on homo- or hetero. Self-pollination will always be homozygous (well, actually, not, they will be homozygous wherever the parent was already homozygous). Pollination from different flowers on the same tree may be hetero- or homo-. Avocados are "highly" heterozygous (i.e. as you say the flowering behaviour discourages self pollination, which is the only way to guarantee homozygous pairs) but they are diploid so if both flowers are from the same variety then at least one allele at each locus is identical between the flowers, meaning that there are at most 3 alleles available for the locus. If the desired trait is recessive, then the locus is already homozygous so would continue to be so. If the trait is dominant, even assuming that the locus on BOTH parents is heterozygous there is only one of the 4 possible combinations that would not inherit the trait. It is by no means a certainty. By "good chance" I didn't mean highly likely, so much as NOT highly unlikely. It certainly isn't merely random, or intentional and directed avocado breeding wouldn't exist. It is definitely not like most citrus, where a seed has many embryos and most are self-fertilized.
@@SleepyLizard I meant it isn't merely random, and there is a reasonable likelihood that the new plant will be something like the old. I don't know that I would say 50/50, and it is hard to put an actual number because what any given person considers to be close to the parent varies. You video title said "will not". I am saying "probably will not, but might be close enough". The chance is not insignificant
Sooo im slow i guess. So some fruits are not "naturally occurring"??? Does this all stem back to humans cross breeding in ancient times? Wonder what else falls into this category...
all fruits are naturally occurring. when we find one we like we replicate it via grafting. that said, humans just like wind, humidity, temperature, and the existence or lack of other animals are an evolutionary force. so yes ancient man would grow things that were beneficial and ignore or chop down those that weren't which had influence on the gene pool
Fruits are not ancestrally appropriate foods fruits havent existed, naturally without manipulation for man for quite some time and they’re very high fructose, and they spike your blood sugar crazy high. We have an epidemic of diabetes in this country, fruits and fruit juices. Definitely play a roll in that.
that statistic isn't so much about tasting good as it is for finding one that's commercially viable. That said, seed grown avocados are highly unpredictable and most of them produce low quality fruit.
@@johnhaas1694 the attributes are things like: vigor, flavor, yield, consistency (some trees won't produce every year), size, shape, shelf life, does it ripen evenly, susceptibility to disease or fungus, flesh to seed ratio. With mango for example I grow some varieties just for myself because I love the flavor but they are not productive or take a year off.
