Hy Graydon, wanted to update you on my personal 6.0L Ford B100 history. My 04 just topped 125k miles of mostly B100 use out of 199k total, without suffering any direct fuel related problem. While you make great points on the fuel pressure, all of my injector issues have proven to be oil rail o-ring or spool valve related only.
Good info as usual Graydon ,, Thanks . Some of our Duramax problems on B100 over the last 6 years probably could have been avoided with the addition of a lift pump. The Dmax forum is full of guys with the same problems we had and never used Biodiesel .Thanks again
A 6 liter is a high efficiency engine with no emissions equipment (just EGR). Sounds to me it just needs high-quality bio-diesel. That’s not a fault! Just use the Bio Pro.
Congrats on the success with your 6.0 liter. You're one of the few that's had success with them running B100 (of course, using a BioPro is helpful--I'm pretty partial to those).
+Bob Hamm That is great news with the b100. I have a 2006.4 Duramax LBZ as well, and with regular #2 it is just a sooty deal. SO you were running the B100 since new to have that many miles on B100? Cheers Randall
+Randy Lee I've yet to hear of a CP3 have any issues with biodiesel. I've also never heard of a Cummins leak fuel through any of it's lines either, so I think you're good (sorry for the delay too--been a while since I've accessed this account)
I have a 05 f250 6.0 and run it on B100 from my bio pro 190 for thousands of miles and it seems to run better on it and in the winter B80, We tow a 12k trailer and have no problems, the tuck is stock except an sct tuner and 5 inch exhaust. Also to replace an injector you dont need to take the cab off.
Decent points, but I can assure you the LML (2011-2016 6.6l) is definitely direct injected. Much like the LMM and LLY and LB7 before it. PS: If you own an LML, diesel additives with sulfur help to keep your fuels viscosity at the healthiest point for your CP4 pump. It's only lubrication is your fuel, that our government has made as inefficient and degrading as possible. Once it goes, you're gonna replace alot of parts. You can get the filter kit to catch debris when the pump blows up but you're still gonna have to pull the trans, and replace lots of parts. Good luck!
As a former Ford diesel tech, I just wanted to comment that from 2008-2010, the Ford 6.4L WILL NOT handle more than b5 with the DPF still on, and from 2011 to present in the 6.7L WILL NOT handle more than b20 with the DPF still on. Even with the DPF off and a tuner (Spartan, SCT, etc.) to make it work, the High Pressure Common Rail fuel systems in these trucks will not handle any more than about b50. I don't know exactly why, I suspect it might be the biodiesel has a slightly higher viscosity then regular ULSD and the fuel pumps and injectors cant handle it.
Yep. I'd agree with that. I have a few friends running B100 in their 6.7 Fords and so far they've done well, but the DPF issue is still very much there. I think you're right, it's a viscosity issue.
utahbiodieselsupply The good thing about the 6.7 is that it has a more efficient engine design and EGR setup, so it doesn't have to regen the DPF as much, so it is much more forgiving with bio. The 6.4 (2008-2010) is the real problem child. They love to make oil (put 15 qts. in, drain 18 out) with regular ULSD, and the problem is made even worse with bio.
bluecolarboy Never thought about that (EGR being more efficient). That would DEFINITELY help out. The 6.7 seems to be a massive improvement over the 6.0 & 6.4 liter design. powerstrokehelp on RU-vid did an awesome video highlighting the differences. I was really impressed to see all the awesome changes Ford put into the new 6.7. Lots & lots of common sense stuff. Especially from a maintenance and mechanic standpoint.
Ari Lehtiniemi I am inclined to agree with you there. If you look on google, there is a story about a guy with a 6.4 that did a full emissions equip. delete and tried running b100 with his H&S tuner on a hot tune. He found he could run b100 only on a low power tune, once he started bumping up the power, he could only run a small percentage of bio. The running theory was that the thicker bio was not allowing the fuel rail pressure to be increased as commanded by the tuner.
Everything we drive is Bio (ASTM) including a beast V10 Touareg, Cat 3208 Coach, 03 Duramax, 83 Rabbit and even the 100KW Generator we use to power the biodiesel plant...I notice in each case the engines run better...we have NH winters and I drop a bit in the DMAxx but everything else is B100 straight through save for the nastiest of cold days...
Did I understand it correctly that the Euro diesels; BMW, Merc and VW later than 2007 which got the DPF installed, may not or is not suitable for bio-diesel?
Running my jetta on a 2 tank system on Waste Veg Oil. Biodiesel takes a lot more effort compared to wvo. I get 5000 km per tank of diesel in my jetta. All you got to do is store it for 1 to 3 months in the cube jug. Then you filter it. None of this washing the oil and all the other things you need to do. Although to get completely off their system I will need to still spend a little on sodium hydroxide and methanol to make biodiesle to run the car then switch to Veg when it's hot. Best choice I ever made building this kit. Just bought a 1 ton with a hydraulic dump box 1988 chevy 6.2 L Detroit Diesel. In the summer I can mix half diesel half vegetable oil and the truck should not have any issues. Need a truck so i can increase the volume I am collecting. Hope to maybe get off the grid and use savings to lessen the demand of oil (solar, wind, geothermal). Waste oil burning furnace, waste oil burning hot water tanks, diesel generator that runs on veg oil, use the exhaust in a heat exchanger to collect the heat for heating the radiant floor or the hot water tank.
the only issue is heating the fuel does help a lot there are cheap heat exchanger you can run off the radiator heater hose and the other is a fuel line ,then run one tank bio diesel and the other regular diesel you can switch back and forth on trips to use the regular to keep system clean just switch tanks just before you get were your going to clean the system before shut down works great but also heard it`s not necessary ,its just when its cold out
with new line car such as mercedes ,bmw n etc that have (DPF)diesel particulate filter.cant we just remove this DPD things and like use the 100% biodiesel blend??
How about the early 7.3's, say 94.5-97? They use a mechanical lift pump and I've heard there may be an issue with an internal membrane in the pump.....I ran B100 a few times last summer from sun power biodiesel in Wisconsin. Truck loved it.
I'm sure it's been asked before but what about using well-filtered pseudo biodiesel using a kerosene mix? What engines are best for this "somewhat" biodiesel?
It depends on the model year of the Excursion. Any diesel Ford Excursion 2003 and older had a 7.3 diesel engine. Newer than that usually carried the 6.0 until 2007 when the 6.4 liter was introduced. The older 7.3's rock with Biodiesel! Happy to help on the Liberty's. They're great little diesels!
1. thanks for the informative review. 2. i dont know what engine the ford excursion diesal uses. have you tried it on one of these? 3. also thanks for giving a tip on the jeep liberty. that was another truck i wanted to get and use bio on.
what's the diff between b100 and wvo? if an engine can handle b100, it can handle b5, b20, and so on right? will b100 and wvo work on cummins 4bt and 6bt without any conversions
Adding to what Austin said, B100 makes more fuel per litre compared to using WVO and B100 is better for your engine because over time WVO will clog up a engine something fierce!
Seems like the 2.5L TDI should do fine with biodiesel? Engine is found in Volvo 850/V70, Audis, VW and so on, with the VP37 pump. I about to try this out on my vehicle, do you have any information to add?
I'd like a bit of information on running b100 in the 2007-2009 cummins 6.7, those years do have a dpf filter, but say a guy removed that filter for "off road" purposes.....would there be any for seen issues with the early 6.7 cummins engines? Im a bit concerned about the injection system? Know any one that runs b100 in that engine?
Been running B100 on my 2012 Nissan NP300. It has dpf, and has been running perfectly. Just check the oil and change the oil filter often and should not have any problem id your bio is good and clean. Thanks for the info. How do you feel of using B100 on international trucks ? 2008 models. And id you can tell me the website of vw experts on bio it would be great. Even tho i know English i couldnt understand the websites name. Thanks. Eduardo
None on this end (we can't get em in the US--wish we could though). However, the older Toyota diesels were always excellent on Biodiesel. I'd imagine the 3 liter should be fine though.
The cars you have listed are all with over 3 lt engine. Is biodiesel not good for any small engine. I live in Turkey where fuel prices are expensive as fuck because of this and the taxes we can't afford trucks like ones you wrote down Any old Toyota diesel engine will work just fine wont it or does the size matter
Liked your presentation, but I have 011, 6.7 f250. Have 100 gallons of B20 that's been stored, under roof for over a year. Purchased the fuel from a commercial supplier, just been saving it. What precautions should I take before using in my F250, 6.7. I've used B20, purchased from Flying J while traveling, it ran very well, maybe even better.
Frank Stamey The 6.7 liter Fords have been doing EXTREMELY well on B100. I have 3 friends that have all run B100 through their 6.7's with no problems at all. I think Ford stepped up to the plate & really hardened that engine. It'll definitely handle B20 (it's even warrantied for that), but it'll also most likely be able to handle B100 without any issues as well. As well as precautions, just watch your oil levels as it does still regen.
i do want to get a Diesel powered SUV, or Super Duty truck, and my question is where can i go or who can i call to get more information on how to upgrade the engine to Bio friendly engine. And if its even possible with the cars i have in mind to buy.
I am looking at buying a 2013 f250 biodiesel.my question is will it run on petroleum desiesel and is there any consequences with doing that and are there any other issues with that truck just FYI it's got 140xxx miles any input would be helpful thank you
What's the reality of bio and Mercedes turbos. If the oil is thinned down enough, why would there be a problem, it's still a diesel. Does anyone know the reality?
I've heard extremely good things about them being compatible with Biodiesel. The key is to filter the fuel down to at least 5 microns or else you'll run into plugged fuel filters. But the engines (a VM Motori diesel engine) do really well on Biodiesel).
How are the 2014/2015 models doing with B100? They are all warrantied up to B20, but is that really the limit of what they can perform well on? Or just a liability thing on the part of the companies? Tx
They still have DPF's on them, so I wouldn't recommend more than what the manufacturer is recommending. Otherwise you could probably get fuel dilution in the oil.
Have you seen many people run 05-06 e320 cdi's on b100 successfully? Forums seem to be people on either extreme side of the fence yelling yay or nay to anything over b20
Joel, I'd suggest replacing all the fuel lines on the engine connecting the filter and CP3 pump with better quality hose. I've had all these fail on my 05 320 after about 20k miles of high Bio blends.
I'm about to buy an e46 330d 2000 reg (for quite cheap) in order to gradually reach exclusive b100 operation. It is without a dpf. Has anyone done this with this car? What can modify for better result/less problems? Also I have the option of a later 2006 330d. With an EGR/DPF delete will I be able to do the same? Any info will be appreciated! :)
I have a 1999 Suburban with a G.M. 6.5 Diesel in it, is there anything else I should know about running 100% except gradually go up to 100% and change the fuel filter at least once in the process?
+Austin Lucas There's an electric eye on those motors in the injection pump that can be pretty finicky with Biodiesel sometimes, so just make sure your fuel is REALLY well filtered and free of soap. Otherwise it can get on the electric eye & cause it to go skewompus. Other than that though, those motors usually love Bio
I've not heard of people having fuel line issues in that generation of Dodge. Be sure to watch the fuel lines for wear (they'll get soggy or soft), but I've yet to hear of anyone needing to replace one in that year series
Nope i didn't just ran it on whatever on my 1997 12 valve old engine oil, veggie oil alot of stuff just not transmission oil some mixed wont hurt but straight nope and 2 if it is mix with old oil black to hide red as tax man will give you the shaft just pulled injectors unscrewed them and cleaned then resembled just kept extra fuel filters around behind the seat and when pumping it out of where ever i got it from through second tank pump setup with stainless steel oil filters at different micron and right into the tank oil from engine dumped from pan right into tank people freaked seeing me do that but a few gallons of extra fuel i already payed for at inflated value into my crankcase so i used it to the last minute it was burned
You obviously don't know the 6.0 Ford Diesel and should learn more about it before commenting on it. You do not need to pull the can to replace or repair injectors.
+Sean White We've heard that some of them have no problem with it while others can be finicky. I haven't heard enough feedback back from people using it in big trucks though to know exact models one way or the other.
@@alaefarmestatesllc because of the dpf. Biodiesel doesn't work well in vehicles with dpf filters on them because during Regen cycles biodiesel gets down into the engine oil causing oil dilution and potential catastrophic engine failure. Now, remove the dpf reprogram the ecu to make it think the dpf is gone and it'll prob run bio great. But, that's a hard thing to do anymore.
It might run in it, but the emission equipment on the diesel isn't going to allow you to burn much more than 5 to 20%. Check your owners manual for full details.
I've not heard anything about Bio compatibility with Opel. If it uses the same engine that's used on the Chevy Cruze Diesel, it should be B20 compatible.
Works great in them!. I've had several customers use it in those & it rocks. The fuel pump return line is susceptible for break down after years of use, but that's about the only issue I've heard about on these trucks.
As far as I know, if you pull the DPF off of that system, the engine will handle B100 biodiesel very well. I have a few customers that have done it and have seen great results. It' s just that pesky DPF that gets in the way, but once it's gone, the engine loves Biodiesel. Just make sure it's well reacted & well filtered.
The 1.9 TDI does great up to about 2003. Stay away from the 2004 & newer (not Biodiesel's problem, the pump duse pump in them hasn't been really reliable.).
They can run up to B20 with no problem. Above that, you'll have to watch the DPF really carefully. If the DPF is removed, the nit shouldn't be a problem at all.
