There’s just as many studies paid for by dairy, chicken, and cattle associations. Research is research, and there’s plenty of reason to believe carbs can have a great place in your diet. Its odd to have a great discussion on the reality of meeting personal satiety and palatability needs and then just tell everyone a specific form of a specific category of food is the solution to the problem because oh damn Quaker isn’t a great company.
No there isn't as much paid researchon both sides. Now that doesn't mean that cattle ranchers are any more altruistic, but they just don't have as much money to throw around. Beef is fairly expensive both to produce and sell, so the profit margins are fairly limited compared to wiggle room you have to turn extremely cheap ingredients like corn and seed oils into a processed food and sell it for a huge markup and still have it be cheap for the consumer. So they can, and need to throw money around in ways the meat industry just can't. And no one said anything about cutting out carbs.
Gee, if only there was a branch of science that was dedicated to understanding how the human body works, including how it reacts to different nutrients, that we could use to know how to diet 🤔
I'm skeptical of the assertion that animal products are what best fits in the center of that venn diagram. If I'm having issues with satiety in a deficit, I lean heavily on fibrous fruits/vegetables like watermelon, berries, roasted seasoned cauliflower, etc. I understand protein is satiating but I'm not sure why red meat specifically would be more satiating than fish or poultry. And at some point you'd get diminished returns on that dose/satiety relationship as you shift macros more heavily towards protein. So once protein is at a certain level, if you're still hungry, I think the high-fiber, high-water carbs I mentioned above seem way more helpful for satiety.
Exactly. Many people miss the nuance in this. Protein isn't necessarily more satiating, especially not per calorie if getting it from a fatty cut of meat
@@KostendtO not sure if sarcastic but I've seen tons of overweight dads regularly order steaks. Protein only satiates to a point. It's very easy to get a high protein diet and still guzzle down 1000 calories worth of butter and added sugar
@@joeberger3441 Totally. I saw this a lot during the Paleo craze. People were told to eat meat, nuts, fruits and veggies. The ones who ate a decent amount of lean protein and lots of fruit/veg would improve body comp. But plenty of people can and did beef/bacon/almond butter their way into a hearty surplus.
Wow, I like both of your content because you two bring very thoughtful and unique discussion points to your respective passions. Pretty cool to see a connection between two of my favorite creators/interests
I think when dieticians say they don't think there are "bad" foods they're not saying that all foods have the same nutritional value, but more that it's not realistic for people to completely cut out these foods, and that they are okay in moderation. Labeling them as "bad" can put someone struggling with fixing their diet in a position where they feel like they are doing "bad" things that they need to compensate for, creating a downward spiral.
The thing that’s really worked for me is just eating a lot of foods that are palatable enough to tolerate but also not too palatable so I can stop eating. If your food tastes TOO good you might not be able to stop eating, but if your food tastes too boring then you’re gonna fall off your plan. I’m also very fortunate to be a person who genuinely enjoys vegetables and fruits which are very satiating because of the fiber. I eat like a pound of vegetables per day and it’s barely any calories at all. I lost over 60lbs doing this and it wasn’t very difficult. Literally a massive pile of vegetables has less calories than one piece of pizza or a croissant or something. It’s crazy.
Honestly, I lost a third of my body weight and nothing was off limits, kept it off for over 5 years so far. I just really changed my portion size for things that were "unhealthy" and made sure I ate enough fruit and veg. It's amazing how full you feel if you are eating 5-10 servings of veg, it's pretty hard to overeat the other stuff. And yes, I eat oatmeal almost every day 😅
That’s the way I feel it’s best. It’s so tough that you can mix it with hot ingredients or cook it a little bit and it’s still hardy and goes great with the rice, beef and other veggies.
Nothing in particular. Moreso that it's often pushed on people who don't particularly like it compared to more "appetizing" options, so there's often an adherence issue. If you like oatmeal then by all means eat it. Most people are likelier to stick to a diet high in things like eggs and ground beef than one high in, say chicken breast or oatmeal. There's nothing particularly wrong with it, just that it's stereotypically one of those "healthy" options pushed on people who dont like it and thus are less likely to stick with it, when tastier (in majority opinion) alternatives exist
Nothing is wrong with oatmeal, and that is why some RD's don't prescribe foods as good or bad. Analyze your own goals and tastes, maybe oatmeal can fit in there. I love oats with nuts and fruit and chia and whole milk.
I lost 100lbs eating a variety of stuff but mostly 97% lean beef, chicken and egg white (with some egg yolk, but only 10-20% of the total egg mixture) And then just getting as many steps per day as I could. Then got into cycling. The other key apart from diet, is finding physical activity you enjoy. It cannot be a chore, needs to be fun.
@@Real28 Congrats to you as well. I ate more than just watermelon of course (lean meats, eggs, tofu, tempeh, fish, oats, fruits, veggies, potatoes, etc), but it was the main thing I leaned on to feel full and satisfy my sweet tooth.
I mean when doctors dietitians and researchers kind of conclude that men should be between 13% and 18% body fat with women between 20 and 25%, yes everybody sees unrealistic standards on one side of the spectrum and then they see they can fit in on the other side of the spectrum if they would just eat themselves sick...
I don’t mind a back squat, but a lot of people don’t have good shoulder range of motion, which is why I love the easy bar. I believe there is a large body of research showing that quad extensions are slightly more hypertrophic. But if you can keep your chest upright and go down deep, then squats are definitely hypertrophic I would wager that a hack squad is also slightly more hypertrophic.
The is no large body of research that says that quad extension are more hypertrophic than squats. And you can even have a thought experiment, take a beginner and make them do only back squats for quads for a year and other one who does only leg extension for quads for a year. Who do you think will have bigger/better/stronger quads?
@@movestattoo4561 if you squat for max weight, then the knee extension will be more hypertrophic. If you use extreme full range of motion, moderate weight, while keeping your chest upright, then perhaps the squat group could get more hypertrophy.
@@austinmartin8550 you’re just wrong. You cannot build big quads with leg extensions. You don’t think people would do that and not squat? They would but no one does because it’s not real.
Regarding the Country Music Plug - Am amazed that you carry this musical ability along with your lifting prowess . Since I got to see you perform the Doors song "Back Door man" , would like to add that you seem to be a natural born blues based rock singer as well . Thanks for what you do .
You’ve helped me on back squat mechanics. Squatting rules and kicks ass and is functional as all get out. Squat well. Live well. Thanks ZT! Also, nuts & seeds are key if don’t wanna eat a lot of red meat or eggs. If you’re not eating your morning oatmeal with flax, hemp & chia seed. Almonds & gogi berries. You’re missing out
I'm a doctor, nutrition is my speciality and I'm going to write you all a prescription for Lizzo. Please take 2 a day and if you miss a dose it's safe to double up, in fact I encourage it.
By recommending that “Myth of Mental illness” book, I hope he isn’t saying that mental illness is not a thing. Cos then that doesn’t make him any better than fat positivity dieticians.
@@atlaspowershrugged You're the one who knows more than others according to your post. Should be able to tell people about that instead of getting a book to do it for you. You can't complain about people thinking you're saying mental illness isn't a thing when you recommend a book that argues against the idea of 'mental illness' as a concept. Hardly a book that champions nuance. I guess all schizophrenics should just say that they're not longer schizophrenics and that people with depression should just stop being sad. Problem solved. I mean, there's no such thing as a disease of the mind after all. It's also not an essay. It's over 300 pages long depending on the edition and if you include the appendix it's over 400 pages long. You have...read the book, right? Cos I've got it in front of me and can quote it and can confirm that he does actually believe that mental illness isn't real and that it's no different to astrology. It even has a summary at the very end of the book that outlines his arguments. You can rightly criticise the overprescribing of medication and people self diagonising themselves, but to say that mental illness is a myth is the biggest reach I've ever seen. However all that said, I never even claimed you thought that which is why I said 'I hope he isn't' and 'if so'. Despite bashing libertarians in your post, you certainly seem fine to recommend a book, even if you only read the intro and the conclusion and the summary, that is quite libertarian in its approach. edited to add more
@@atlaspowershrugged "It is customary to define psychiatry as a medical specialty concerned with the study, diagnosis, and treatment of mental illnesses. This is a worthless and misleading definition. Mental illness is a myth. Psychiatrists are not concerned with mental illnesses and their treatments. In actual practice they deal with personal, social, and ethical problems in living. I have argued that, today, the notion of a person “having a mental illness” is scientifically crippling. It provides professional assent to a popular rationalization-namely, that problems in living experienced and expressed in terms of so-called psychiatric symptoms are basically similar to bodily diseases. Moreover, the concept of mental illness also under- mines the principle of personal responsibility, the ground on which all free political institutions rest. For the individual, the notion of mental illness precludes an inquiring attitude toward his conflicts which his “symptoms” at once conceal and reveal. For a society, it precludes regarding individuals as responsible persons and invites, instead, treating them as irresponsible patients." Pretty clear from the conclusion that the author doesn't view mental illness as a thing. You agree with that? Have you....read the book or even just read the author's conclusion? "But let us suppose that there is no such thing as mental health or mental illness, that these terms refer to nothing more substantial or real than did the astrological notions of the influence of planetary positions on personal conduct. What then?" The guy compares mental health to astrology.
@@atlaspowershrugged "It is customary to define psychiatry as a medical specialty concerned with the study, diagnosis, and treatment of mental illnesses. This is a worth- less and misleading definition. Mental illness is a myth. Psychiatrists are not concerned with mental illnesses and their treatments. In actual practice they deal with personal, social, and ethical problems in living." I say it again. I hope you yourself, despite recommending a book called 'The myth of mental illness', are not saying that mental health/illness is a myth. The guy compares mental health to astrology. You can say that people get overprescribed medication and that people self diagonise too much, but to suggest that mental illness is a myth is as absurd as someone saying they're a fat positive dietician. If you haven't, I urge you to actually go down to a psych ward and actually talk to someone with a mental illness who has had to be put on a psych ward for their own and their family's safety. I'm sure they'd object to their experience being reduced to a 'myth'.
It’s great points and it sounds like he’s saying carnivore is the way to go. Eat a ton of eggs and steak, then if hungry have the other stuff, but you won’t be hungry.
100% agreed with thar diet advice. Going strict carnivore ist the best idea but it's pretty hard to eat a bunch of junk if you're eating 1-2lbs of lean meat every day
So... are oats bad? I've been eating them every day because I thought they were a good option. Happy to take any suggestions for a good quick breakfast option : )
No food is good or bad. What are your goals? That should be the question. Oats fill me up, I pair them with whole milk, nuts sugar, fruits, and chia. Usually folks make no adjustments to their childhood oat recipe and just add too much sugar. It's fine within reason.
high meat + high fiber can fix your life. The satiation prevents cravings and bigger bowel movements means more fat-stored poisons are removed from the body, namely the liver. Garrett Smith, the "Nutrition Detective" on RU-vid and Grant Genereux provide the info for health improvements for all disease conditions. Good luck, health seeker.
holy shit please someone tell me what in the f this whole conversation has to do with politics? I liked his points but then he turned around at 8:01 was like "oh i probably pissed off all the libtards and conservicucks haha" like... what? where did that come from? Is this a political topic that we will see in the election this year that I didn't know about or something? god it pisses me off when people somehow make ANYTHING political. you're allowed to have your own god damn opinions they don't have to the left one or the right one, they can just be yours.
one more thing to add, I REALLY loved your take on the back squat. I had a conversation with a dude the other day, he's younger than me (i'm only 24) and he was adamantly telling me how he wishes he could do some of the barbell lifts I do but he can't because his body isn't built for it, especially squats. But looking at him, he had good proportions, nothing out of the ordinary like ridiculously long legs or something. So I told him I'm almost certain you could do it if you took the time to practice but he just didn't want to listen, and he probably felt the same about me "not listening" but of course I asked him if any good squatters have showed him before and he said no. at that point i told him I'd show him some tips but he was adamant about him not having the body type to squat and how he can't go past 90 degrees. Just like you said. It's ignorance, many people might get under the bar one time with no supervision/help. attempt it, and realize how awkward it feels and they think that's incorrect and they can't do it. in reality we all know that it takes time just to get used to it before you can even push even mildly difficult weights and many untrained people are just so immobile that squats might feel like a damn yoga stretching session even with no weight haha. I'm yapping but oh well. I think a big part of it is this, everyone here on the channel knows that barbell lifts require a different drive and effort thna machines in a lot of cases. most barbell lifts require more muscle activation and WAY more technique than machines. It was totally possible for someone that has never even watched sports or done anything athletic, to walk into a gym and sit on a leg extension machine, and do very well and get a good quad workout. It is not like this with barbell lifts. barbell lifts take time just to understand and learn, so when people get under the bar for the first time with nobody to help or guide them. they do their first squat halfway down, realizes how uncomfortable it is, and they think "damn this exercise sucks, leg extensions are easier and I feel it more"
@@atlaspowershruggedI don’t really care, bc with people like you, no one is truly an expert. Top powerlifters, definitely not experts. RDs, surely not. You must really hate Layne Norton since he has both world titles and a PhD with the evidentiary knowledge to back it up. You use appeals to nuance while at the same time not being able to actually get into the nuance bc how conveniently, you also have a problem with sport science studies.
Always has been. The bullshit you can easily see through today will be "irrefutably proven" 50 years from now. And this is the same with the "long proven science" you see today
Conspiracy theorists: “the ‘woke agenda’ isn’t a real thing” Sane, rational people: *simply notices things that disprove their assertion on a daily basis*
Are the "sane rational people" in the room with us? We are trying to conduct a survey on people who lack critical thinking skills and stopped mentally maturing in middleschool.
I love it when my parasocial e-boyfriend talks about how awesome his parasocial e-boyfriend is! It's like when my real life boyfriend talks about his parasocial e-boyfriends over breakfast, perfection. Communism is gay.
@@K4R3NI really want those, but can’t afford them so I just started squatting barefoot and that’s one of the best changes I’ve made to my squat. Feel the quads and core more and feel alot more in controll.
Talk of satiety annoys me. Has nobody heard of self-discipline? If you feel like eating more, don't. Do something. Get off the couch, turn of the TV, computer or phone. Walk up and down the stairs, stretch, do some cleaning, read an engrossing book, learn to play an instrument!Just DO something other than sit there submitting ti cravings.