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Diezel Herbert mk I vs mk II - Which one sounds better?

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Herbert Mk II release rigtalk post: www.rig-talk.c...
Hi, I'm John Browne. No. Not that guy but this is my real name.
I'm an engineer by day and hopeless gear addict by night.
In this video, I compare my Diezel Herbert mk I to my Herbert mk II.
I used a 2009 Gibson SG Raw Power in drop C# with a Seymour Duncan Black Winter in the bridge position for this. I switched back and forth using a Radial Engineering Valve-Tube Head Switcher which went into my Two Notes Torpedo Live loadbox with a GGD Studio Cali Cab IR.
When boosted, the amps were boosted with a Deadweald Duality DX in green mode (tubescreamer) with gain at 0 and tone and volume just over half way up.
Here are some time stamps to help you navigate:
02:25 Adjusting the approach and tweaking the amps before the demo
05:39 Mk I Channel 1
05:53 Mk II Channel 1
06:07 Toggling Channel 1
06:23 Mk I Channel 1 with Midcut
06:44 Mk II Channel 1 with Midcut
07:07 Toggling Channel 1 with Midcut
07:23 Mk I Channel 2
07:42 Mk II Channel 2
08:01 Toggling Channel 2
08:25 Mk I Channel 2 with Midcut
08:50 Mk II Channel 2 with Midcut
09:15 Toggling Channel 2 with Midcut
09:36 Mk I Channel 2 boosted
10:12 Mk II Channel 2 boosted
10:47 Toggling Channel 2 boosted
11:05 Mk I Channel 2 with Midcut boosted
11:31 Mk II Channel 2 with Midcut boosted
11:57 Toggling Channel 2 with Midcut boosted
12:21 Mk I Channel 3
12:44 Mk II Channel 3
13:08 Toggling Channel 3
13:30 Mk I Channel 3 with Midcut
13:44 Mk II Channel 3 with Midcut
13:58 Toggling Channel 3 with Midcut
14:22 and 14:43 Mk I Channel 3 boosted
14:32 and 14:58 Mk II Channel 3 boosted
15:12 Toggling Channel 3 boosted
15:38 and 15:55 Mk I Channel 3 with Midcut boosted
15:43 Mk II Channel 3 with Midcut boosted
16:04 Toggling Channel 3 with Midcut boosted
16:40 Mk I Channel 2 (-) boosted
16:46 Mk II Channel 2 (-) boosted
16:52 Toggling Channel 2 (-) boosted
17:07 Mk I Channel 2 (-) with Midcut boosted
17:13 Mk II Channel 2 (-) with Midcut boosted
17:19 Toggling Channel 2 (-) with Midcut boosted
17:42 Mk I Channel 2 (-) with Midcut
17:48 Mk II Channel 2 (-) with Midcut
17:55 Toggling Channel 2 (-) with Midcut
18:01 Toggling Channel 2 (-)
18:16 Final Thoughts
The song used in the intro is a demo track called Already Dead by my band back in the day named Destined for Nothing. Check it out and download it for free over here: / demo-2014

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@Wasteoftime10 6 месяцев назад

Just saw this video. Quite a difference between the Mk 1 and the Mk 2. Mk 1 is more compressed, more wet and not as dry, with more texture. Deizel Amps is one of the high gain amps Ive never owned, but my experience with owning numerous versions of the same high gain amps from many different brands, is they can very a lot even if the same exact model, so who knows if what we are hearing is inherit in the design of the mk1 and mk 2, or just these individual amps. But between these two, I would take the Mk 1 hands down. Thanks for the video.

@riverstone5994 4 месяца назад

coolest intro out of all the gear channels. the "yay, boo" was hilarious

@TheOtherJohnBrowne 4 месяца назад

Haha! Glad you got a laugh out of it. It's been so long since I made this video

@riverstone5994 4 месяца назад

@@TheOtherJohnBrowne yeah man the contents so good I’m heading back watching it all. Your channel’s awesome! The content, humour, riffs. Has it all

@TheOtherJohnBrowne 4 месяца назад

@@riverstone5994 you just made my day! Thank you

@troyellis1513 Год назад

Thanks for all your hard work you put into these videos. I'm glad I have the a 2006 MK1 lol

@TheOtherJohnBrowne Год назад

My pleasure! Thanks for dropping a comment!

@andreazampieri5513 Год назад

omg man... that song in the intro is amazing! congrats to your old band!

@TheOtherJohnBrowne Год назад

Thanks! This comment made my day!

@geetargeek79 2 года назад

Thanks for this. My Mk1 has been in storage for a while now, but it is exactly how I remember it.

@TheOtherJohnBrowne 2 года назад

This is a great compliment to me! Thanks for watching!

@awwal7375 2 года назад

Great video. Also the points you mentioned in the comparison regarding pot tolerance make total sense :)

@RazorbackMat 2 года назад

OH MY GOD IT'S JERN BREEERRNN

@guitartonetopia 2 года назад

just the video i was looking for, thanks and great job!

@jakedibiase7404 7 месяцев назад

I think overall I liked the MK1 better. Better cleans and to me the gain was a bit more saturated.

@johnwardle9667 Год назад

Great video man, really appreciate it.

@TheOtherJohnBrowne Год назад

Glad you liked it

@progrocker84 Год назад

I keep coming back to this video! This time I'm using it to consider whether my Herbert MkIII would benefit from an OD. From your clips, I think I prefer an unboosted Herbert! I switch between Diezel and Mesa Boogie cabs, and the depth knob does a great job to keep the low end controlled yet huge for any cab. From your clips, it seems an OD takes away some of that appeal.

@TheOtherJohnBrowne Год назад

I hope the video is helpful to you in a way. I think Diezels react to front end boosts in a very unique way. It does change the low end response quite dramatically and adds some high mid aggression. The Herberts and the D-Moll as well become very aggressive sounding. For lack of a better term, a good boost just makes the Herbert sound super pissed and cutting. I can't really decide which I prefer, though I think I am leaning towards boosted but I just enjoy how versatile and adaptable these amps are. The power amp controls (deep and presence) and the EQs are very effective on these amps and give you a lot of rope to shape the tonality of the amps to your liking. My video(s) probably don't do the amps justice in that regard because I tend to set and forget. I'm a real knuckle dragger when it comes to that! Thanks for taking time out of your day to leave a comment!

@XChristianNoirX Год назад

If you want an overdrive but like the un-boosted tones mostly, try the This Heavy Earth Grim. It has a clean blend which allows you to subtly blend in the change you need without hosing the whole tone.. and A TON of adjustability.. And don't forget the internally located, input impedance control. You can try to match that to your amps response or modify it. It's based on a tubescreamer but can also go totally modern. EQ, HPF/LPF, and the gain is actually usable. There is a bite control that also allows you to place where the mid hump is.. And 3 clipping options. The EQ is great because if the bass cut is too extreme, you can pump some back in and find the sweet spot. Super useful when switching guktars/tunings etc. I recommend v1 or v3 of that pedal.

@diezelvh4133 2 года назад

The mark 2 is lacking when you start to crank it up. It flattens out. Mk1 just gets better.

@RDamps 2 года назад

Great video brother!

@TheOtherJohnBrowne 2 года назад

Thanks, man! I love your videos!

@dennisfuzzhead4439 Год назад

I just tested the brainworx diezel Herbert Amp sim and it sounds sooo good. Maybe this would be worth another comparison video.

@TheOtherJohnBrowne Год назад

Thanks for another great suggestion! Please keep 'em coming!

@dennisfuzzhead4439 Год назад

@@TheOtherJohnBrowne they also have a original VH4 and Engl Savage MK1 and Retro Tube plugin. 😎🤘

@FEAROWNAGE 2 года назад

Mk II for high gain Mk I for cleans

@DJ33 2 года назад

Well Done. SUB #21 here

@TheOtherJohnBrowne 2 года назад

You just made my day

@DJ33 2 года назад

@@TheOtherJohnBrowne haha. Glad to hear that, keep it up and have fun doing it !!

@TheSkullz21 2 года назад

Really love your video man. Can u do EL34 vs KT77 for the herbert as well? 😊

@TheOtherJohnBrowne 2 года назад

Thank you very much! I might do that at some stage when I put the EL34s back in the mk II. At the same time, I'm not sure if that would make for an interesting video. I didn't really notice much of a difference after putting KT77s in. Some people say the JJ KT77 is an EL34, so there's that. However, I am planning on making a big video if not several videos on the effect of tubes on amp tones using spectograms. The previous videos and probably the next few are my practice runs to make sure the tube test videos don't suck 😂

@TheSkullz21 2 года назад

@@TheOtherJohnBrowne Nice, thanks again for the video🤘🏻😊

@PHLTHS 7 месяцев назад

I had both the MKI & MKII. In the end I was disappointed with the MKII as the MKI is more brutal and evil and just more face melting of an amp. I wish I had a chance to test the MKIII.

@TheOtherJohnBrowne 7 месяцев назад

Me too. I would love to compare a mk III

@PHLTHS 7 месяцев назад

@@TheOtherJohnBrowne I believe it would be much the same. The reason for the MKII was due to the transformer manufacturer changing so Diezel had to adapt and while at it they corrected some issues with people having high impedance pickups causing distortion CH1. MKIII was more updating it for all the wishes that people wanted but the fundamental change was the transformers.

@serenitybroken 2 года назад

Hey man, thank you for your effort on this one! Great, really great video! I was wondering about the radial, do you get any extra noise from it?I've read something about noise with hi gain amps.

@TheOtherJohnBrowne 2 года назад

Thank you! I really like the Radial and didn't notice any additional noise with it. It has a ground lift button on the back that can help with some types of noise

@TheOtherJohnBrowne 2 года назад

I need to correct my statement. It gets noisy when the guitar is close to it. and mine is either broken or the Radial is in fact garbage. I noticed while making a video that it lets signal through to the amp that is not supposed be active. It leaks. Hence depending on how loud you have your power amp, the amp is driving the puny load resistor in the unit. This is a potential catastrophe waiting to happen. I would not recommend the Radial anymore.

@Mike_HuntizWet Год назад

Hell, now I’m even more confused about which version I have. Swore it was a MK1. It has features from both of these 🤷🏼‍♂️

@TheOtherJohnBrowne Год назад

If it has the FS7H footswitch connection, it's a mk II

@Mike_HuntizWet Год назад

@@TheOtherJohnBrowne It does have that. But it doesn’t have the fuses or LEDs on the outside. All of that is inside. Can’t recall at the moment if mine has the finger pointing and I’m fairly certain mine has the larger Xformers. Thanks for the reply 👍 So FS7 connection is a MKII period end of story??

@TheOtherJohnBrowne Год назад

Pretty much, yeah. The larger transformers also say mk II to me. They may have moved the bias circuit inside later. That wasn't neccessarily a mk II design goal but was dictated by EU law

@Mike_HuntizWet Год назад

@@TheOtherJohnBrowne Thanks man👍🤘

@Mike_HuntizWet Год назад

@@TheOtherJohnBrowne Ok man I’m confused again/still. I’m here looking at the amp. I must have consumed too much different Herbert information over the years. Mine does Not have the FS7 port. No finger. Everything is inside. But looking at your amps Xformers mine sure appears to be the larger ones. 🤷🏼‍♂️

@douglassmith5466 2 года назад

The mark 2's 3rd channel sounded deeper and bassier.

@asnark7115 Месяц назад

Does the Mk2 sound like a boosted Mk1 to anyone else?

@kuni9868 11 месяцев назад

two notes Torpedo Captor にて、diezel mk2は使えますか？ 300wなので、Torpedo Captorは100wなので無理ですか？

@progrocker84 2 года назад

Which Diezel cab are you using here?

@TheOtherJohnBrowne 2 года назад

I was doing this at night so I couldn't use a real cab. It's going into my Two Notes Torpedo Live with a GGD Cali IR

@azpojedu Год назад

Not a lot difference. I won‘t Sell my mk 1 . Even because i like the bite of the mk1!!!😂

@TheOtherJohnBrowne Год назад

Agree

@kuni9868 2 года назад

このブースターの名前はなんですか？

@TheOtherJohnBrowne 2 года назад

Deadweald Duality DX

@progrocker84 2 года назад

Very impressed with the editing. Stellar presentation all around! Here's a MkI vs MkIII comparison, but without a Diezel cab: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-VoMMHuU91T0.html

@TheOtherJohnBrowne 2 года назад

Thank you very much! This means a lot to me. Yeah, Kyle is the man! Love his channel. The dude is going to be huge. I was doing this at night so I couldn't use a real cab. It's going into my Two Notes Torpedo Live with a GGD Cali IR

@RicardoGarcia-zk3zp 2 года назад

I am a real guitar metal trash player and i have the Marshall jvm 410 c and the messa Boogie Dual rec and they both sounds more good and Nice than this Diesel amp really thats My humilde opinión

@RazorbackMat 2 года назад

My brother in Christ, I somehow doubt that. Just my humilde opiniøn

@diezelvh4133 2 года назад

I'm a Diezel guy through and through but I'm really digging my H&K Triamp mark1 right now. Better clean my Diezels and gain records better. Won't touch any other h&k though.

@josephbutler148 Год назад

Sold my jvm410 to help fund a Herbert once was instant regret the marshall was a much better amp then the Herbert mk1 that replaced it it didn't last long. Tempted to try the mk3 Herbert still