Difference between Tenet Inversion and Time Travel 

Yeah someone else mentioned that to me and I checked the math and it seems I made an error. Well, math has never really been my strong suit 😂

@@stephenford3359 never mind, it was an easy error to make. The rest of your analysis was on point and deeply insightful!

@@stephenford3359 This math mistake (something I'm not good at) has added more credence to the Neil/Max theory. Considering that if the theory is correct; than it makes more sense that he'd only invert for half the time...or something...the movie ties my brain in a not; but I love it. Great video.

I seriously wish I could meet you guys in real life. I love having conversations like these. Sadly the people I'm around are not into these kind of conversations 😒😒

I don't understand.... Why would you have to be wait an extra 5 years...

Thanks man! Yeah hopefully one day I’ll have more views and subscribers

Exactly

Thank you! I’m glad you liked it. I also have a video analyzing the Oslo Freeport fight scene if you’re interested

@@stephenford3359 well explained....ya we need free port video post it for us pls🙏🙏

@@moulakhan6890 I already have. Go to my channel

@@stephenford3359 ya i watched it....excellent video 👌👌

Yeah you’re probably right. But I do know that injury was also in the original Nolan script. I read it. So it was intentional from the start

Well said. I feel the same

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The bullet was inverted, therefore it's movement responded better to reversed moving time if the actions of forward moving time COULD have caused the bullet to drop in the first place. (The movie's high concept hinges on the lack of freewill, and every interaction is deterministic, and independent of the flow of time.) You'll notice his hand moving in a semi reverse way to coax the response out of the bullet. When she shown the video footage in reverse, it was visible that the reversed actions actually did cause the bullet to drop. Because from the bullet's perspective, it did. After said bullet experience it's time on the table, it was then in the gun, and fired into the wall fragment. All those actions are still logical to the bullet.

Having trouble understanding this one ngl

Oh yeah you’re right. Thanks for bringing that up!

@@sebastianmcgovern9966 Suppose you're 30 years old when you decide to invert. You go through the turnstile. Now you're inverted. You spend 5 years inverted, then decide to un-invert. Now you're back to normal time flow, and are 35 years old. 5 years pass again, but forwards. Now you're 40. You see your 30-year-old self enter the turnstile and disappear along with your inverted self. It's been 30 years since the day you were born, but you're 40 years old.

@@Posby95 What I did when I read your comment was I used myself as an example. I was born in 1995 and I’m 25, almost 26, now. If I went through a turnstile for 5 years, I would be 30, almost 31, and it would be 2016 (feels like yesterday). In 2016, I wasn’t even legally able to drink. So my present self would be 10 years older than my original 2016 self, and that 10 year age gap would continue indefinitely into the future. I feel kind of embarrassed about my mistake now. I should have been more careful. So maybe I’ll reupload my video in the future with the mistake corrected.

The mechanics of both of the films aren't the same. But, as you said. The formula can be same. Because, both of the movie's time travel works in real time. But, I don't think you have to wait 5/6 hours to do something in Tenet. By the time you enter the turnsile you already create an alternative (inverted) version of yourself. But, you didn't have to wait 6 hours to travel back (Like Primer). You waited for the time when it happened. But, in real world. The Protagonist waited for the moment of Sator coming back for the algorithm. Because, that's what he is after. You can do it easily in an inverted time. In Primer you have to wait 6 hours in the box to go back to your destination. Both of them are trippy in a similar way. But, not very much similarly. Also, I think both Shane Carruth and Nolan heavily inspired by Feynman and Wheeler's diagram. I found that in Wikipedia where Shane talked about his influence on Primer. Neil mentioned about this in Tenet too.

@@mahbubulhaque735 There are many differences between Primer and Tenet movies. But what connects them is the idea that travelling into past happens in "real time" so to speak. That is, it takes as long, as the amount of time you want to go into past. It can be 5 hours or 5 days or whatever. You can't jump into your destination time instantly. And while you travel into the past, you are "inverted". In Primer, we the viewers can't see the inverted person, because he is inside a box. In Tenet, the inverted person walks around for us to see.

That was such a good movie.

You can’t. If you are going to enter a turnstile, your inverted self WILL be on the other side.

@@stephenford3359 Thanks

Ives also said if you approach a turnstile and you don’t see yourself reverse existing through the proving window, it means you’re not getting out. So you’d be trapped in a state of nothingness.

It means you never got inverted. Meaning you are still in forward time. Even if you come out of Inverted chamber, for some reason, the inversion didn't happen.

Then we get a horror movie featuring only your inverted self stuck in a permanently looped pincer maneuver. Congratulations Protagonist you entered a malfunctioning Turnstile ! 🍷

This also bugged me big time. Take the Saab that un-flips over during the car chase scene. Was there a pile of ashes in middle of the road for decades that slowly reordered itself into a flipped car until the car chase occurs and we see it flip back up? The answer is in the idea of "entropy wind" that the creator of the video mentions briefly. The entropy of the world around us "blows" in one direction (towards our future) and outweighs the inverted entropy of the inverted object that "blows" opposite (towards our past). So, what we should see in forward time is a perfectly normal piece of glass that slowly develops cracks that after a while takes the appearance of a bullet hole and then heals itself instantly when the inverted bullet is un-shot during the airport fight. Check out Welby CoffeeSpill channel. He has a full series of videos illustrating this. His videos are very helpful.

@@maujo2009 the entropy wind is a good explanation. I saw the video you suggested, at ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-FVdBLjNR5TU.html

You’re thinking is on the right track. But the thing is, in the Tenet universe, physics can make it work. It can be argued that the entire space-time continuum needs consistency, therefore quantum physics will smooth out any problems. So, if we are to use our imagination, the bricklayer certainly didn’t notice anything. But after he left, there was a slight crack. And over the next several years, that crack got bigger and bigger-no one knew why, or noticed, or cared. Then eventually, the Protagonist shot an inverted bullet that fixed it. This is a perfectly conceivable solution.

Well, if the turnstile was near a black hole, then the time dilation wouldn’t even be noticeable. Because both the inverted and forward version of you would be equally time dilated relative to each other, so there would be no noticeable difference.

These are both the same question: basically does an effect move in the direction of the target’s own entropy, or in the direction of its cause. And the answer is… both actually. It happens both ways for different events in the film. I’ve looked at various instances and I haven’t found any specific factor that determines whether it happens one way or the other. For instance, when Kat was shot at Oslo, notice the bullet damaged her but “healed” the glass barrier at the same time. So that one cause (Sator’s bullet) had two opposite entropy effects on two different thing it damaged (Kat’s body and the glass). I would just attribute these different reactions to perhaps quantum randomness. Like I said, I haven’t found a pattern to explain it.

@@stephenford3359inverted neil sustained a inverted injury from a regular bullet. i suspect it has to do with how the effect will change the causality. if the wound will minimally affect the causality, meaning youd reasonably be able to get to the origin point of the injury with it, it goes the same direction as the cause. if the wound will maximally affect causality, like its deadly or will paralyze you or something, it will go the direction of the target. thats why the protag had the “inverse” knife wound, and why normal kat had the normal bullet wound. the window obviously doesnt act with any will so it will always sustain injuries going the direction of the cause.

What don’t you get? Maybe I can clarify it

@@stephenford3359 its all right. I think you explained it well. Its my ability to comprehend thats the issue. Haha. Have a good day!

@@MsBernadettex In Tenet, the goal of the Protagonist’s Tenet team was to “fail” to stop the explosion. This was in order to ensure that Sator and his future correspondents would believe the algorithm had been successfully buried beneath the rubble at the hypoceter. The explosion was smokescreen; the Tenet team meant to allow the explosion to happen, but discretely retrieve the algorithm from it. In the Tallinn car chase incident, Sator intended to acquire information about the location of the algorithm in order to bring it to the hypocenter so that the Tenet operation would “fail” (the outcome he predicted based on his connections with the future). In reality, his success at retrieving the “Plutonium 241” was in accordance with the plan of Tenet. The 241 was meant to end up in Tallinn so that the explosion (smokescreen) could occur. Sator, not knowing this, planned his own “temporal pincer” movement, which involved the Protagonist thinking he had passed the 241 safely in the Saab in Tallinn, then collecting it later on. So Sator’s temporal pincer succeeded, but failed within the larger temporal pincer of the Protagonist’s Tenet organization. Does your head hurt yet?

@@stephenford3359 mm yes. Haha. I probably need to rewatch it and read your comments and video again 🤣

I'm also having trouble understanding it. An additional video wouldn't hurt. Thanks for your video!

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