圓 圆 円 聽 听 聴 實 实 実 證 证 証 藝 艺 芸 戰 战 戦 鐵 铁 鉄 圖 图 図 廣 广 広 惡 恶 悪 雜 杂 雑 劍 剑 剣 here is the list of the chinese/japanese characters. (it took me a half hour to make this)
@@saudiphilippinesu must be westerner , kanji means chinese writing. This is the same as chinese but the japanese use the chinese words as different meanings. They are the same
Circles are used in Japanese writing when "western years" are given in kanji, like 一九八◯ for 1980, or to mean "blank". School textbooks and official posters are full of shops called ◯◯スーパー
Imagine typing the word "circle" when all you could've done was use a 🔵 In all seriousness, 4,000 years ago the員component was a picture of a cauldron with a round opening (and it also provides the sound of the character), and the 囗 = border/boundary/surround/circumference. So 圓 actually does have logic to it.
@Settiis Yeah hah, I was just having some fun with that. But Chinese characters are words too, not just symbols or pictures. They're just written in a different way from letters, that's all. :)
You can theoretically still use both the traditional and simplified versions when writing Japanese. I mean you shouldn't, but you definitely can, they'll just not count as Joyo Kanji
@@anguslazy it's easy; all you have to do is learn 2136 kanji across about 9 years (of school education) and you're now mostly proficient in japanese literacy!
@@Ong.s_Jukebox yes, some people learn easier with more difficulty like traditional, rather than simplified, its kinda insulting that to some simplified only user seeing someone who learned traditional pretty easy or with no difficulty (personal experience) lol
@@afdhalulakbar5382 I don't know about other people. But simplified alone is already hard enough for me, and the fact that there are people who prefer traditional doesn't make me feel to look down on them in any way, in fact, I feel admired. And if I insulted you in any way, that's on you, I guess.
@@Ong.s_Jukebox it depends on the way you remember them. I rely on radicals/primitives a lot and try to tell the story about the kanji (Heisig method). That's why when a tree primitive is replaced with just weird cross, i don't like it, becuase i need to remember that it's actually a tree :D
@@molor0824 well yeah it must have to do with brushes not being a good tool to draw circles. If you compare with older hanzi like oracle bone script or seal script, well there are circles as it wasn’t written with brushes i guess?
@Joshi _68 There isn't a problem with writing circles with a brush. Circles are used in the Korean hangul script, and Korean calligraphy is also done with a brush. Not to mention Chinese brush painting. There is also evidence that characters were written with a brush in China during the time period of the Oracle Bone Script ~4000 years ago. However, you can't make round shapes when carving, so it probably has to do with the fact that the characters that were carved into bone, shell, stone, metal, etc. are the ones that remained for later generations, and the straight lines of those forms undoubtedly influenced the development of Chinese characters and scripts such as Seal Script during the Zhou dynasty.
@@rhino5877 I knew about the korean example but didnt think there was a link due to the origin of the glyphs in that script. However it is true that in carvings and printing presses for example, especially in song / ming typeface (the one often seen in newspapers), there was a time where some radicals had to be modified to be less curvy because it couldn’t be engraved onto the individual metal pieces. Radicals like ⺭ and ⼛ come to mind as they changed considerably.
Just a reminder for those who are arguing the simplified and traditional Chinese. In ancient China, I mean culturally not politically, some of the simplified Chinese characters had already existed. They were called “the unformal, popular characters (俗體字)”. For example, 塵 and 尘 both mean “dust” and the latter literally shows 小 and 土, which means “small” and “clay, earth”. It does make sense. But the simplified and traditional Chinese nowadays are separated intentionally for political issues. The PRC(the most well-known version of “China”) and ROC(aka Taiwan) wanted to make themselves different from each other. And also, there was a serious issue of illiteracy in mainland China, so PRC chose the unformal but popular characters to be formal, and also simplified some of the others, these are the “simplified characters” now. That’s why some of them do make sense but some of them don’t. Btw I’m Taiwanese and I only write the traditional ones. Not only because it’s the only formal version here but also because I think they’re more beautiful. And I only consider the simplified characters that have existed in ancient times to be the real ones, as you might understand right now, they weren’t created by disrupting the beauty of Chinese characters.
In fact, the font that can truly perfectly express the meaning of Chinese characters is 小篆. Traditional Chinese characters in 楷書 are simply simplified versions of 小篆. Please observe 書 and 晝 in 小篆, they are completely unrelated, but in traditional Chinese, they are only 一 difference. After simplifying the 小篆, traditional Chinese has long lost its original meaning, and simplified characters have even restored some of the writing styles of oracle bone script, such as 网 and 云. Whether it is Simplified Chinese or Traditional Chinese, their internal logic is the same, which is why both mainland Chinese and Taiwanese Han Chinese can read each other's texts without barriers.
If I'm not mistaken, a bunch of knowledgeable people came together to simplify the characters and now they're as they determined So there are some identifiable tendencies but it's just the way it is And you yourself never simplify, you just learn it and that's it (Also they have different use cases, different enough that it's completely ok to actually not know the traditional versions if it's not a part of the Chinese you speak/day to day life) I'm not an expert, just a guy on the internet, take it with a grain of salt
@@user-dj5ki4km8c This is rather ignorant. Simplified Chinese was largely based on a couple of calligraphy styles that had been in practice for centuries. Also, even growing up learning and using only simplified, most people (me included) have no problem understanding traditional Chinese. This attitude of superiority is very grating, and I suspect it came from a certain political angle, instead of any real appreciation of the Chinese language group.
The simplification of Chinese characters, primarily implemented in Mainland China, followed several key principles or standards. These standards aimed to make the characters easier to learn and write, thereby increasing literacy rates. Here are the main standards used: Eliminate Variants of the Same Character: Many characters had multiple variants. Simplification aimed to standardize and choose one simple form for each character. Reduce the Number of Strokes: Characters with many strokes were simplified into forms with fewer strokes. This was often achieved by simplifying complex parts of characters into simpler forms. Simplify Complex Components: Many characters are made up of smaller components or radicals. Where possible, these components were simplified. For example, the "speech" radical 言 was simplified to 讠in many characters. Adopt Commonly Used Simplified Forms: Some characters had simplified forms that were already commonly used in handwriting due to their ease of writing. These simplified forms were often officially adopted. Derive Simplified Characters from Cursive Script Forms: The cursive (草书) script of Chinese writing often has simpler forms of characters. Some of these simpler forms were standardized and adopted into the simplified script. Substitute Complex Characters with Simpler Homophones: In some cases, a more complex character was replaced with a simpler character that has the same or similar pronunciation. Reduce the Number of Strokes in the Radicals: Many commonly used radicals were simplified to have fewer strokes, affecting a large group of characters. While these standards have significantly increased literacy rates and eased the learning process, they have also been subject to criticism. Some scholars and linguists argue that the simplification has led to the loss of traditional culture and the aesthetic value of the script. Others note that it has created a disconnect between modern readers and historical texts, which are often written in Traditional Chinese. Despite these criticisms, Simplified Chinese is widely used in Mainland China, Singapore, and Malaysia, and has been instrumental in increasing literacy rates and modernizing the Chinese writing system.
@@afdhalulakbar5382 Well, it's the original Kangxi Dictionary form. 真 is actually a "simplification" (more accurately 新字形, which was before Simplified characters)
To be honest, traditional character is more beautiful, meaningful and easier to read. Today we all type now so it really doesn't matter how many strokes each character has.
@maolo76 the stroke order thing doesn't even have that much of an impact on how the character looks, so as long as they know the word/symbol from typing they can draw it. It won't be as fast, and it takes more focus to make it look clear. There is always also the option of "remember the rules for strike order" because most symbols use the same rules. I think it is top-down, left-to-right, out-to-in-to-close, by-radical, or something like that.
Traditional Chinese characters still exist because Republic of China still lives in Taiwan. Once ROC ceases to exist completely , traditional Chinese characters fade away immediately.
@@liran547 the reason for simplified chinese is for easier and faster writing. in digital world , its no longer a must. but i gotta say they both exist and most ppl still capable of reading both form. especially traditional events and chinese calligraphy brush art all use traditional chinese writting. so it ant forgotten. but ppl prefer write in simplified form to save time.
@@redhongkong over time my friend, if it can be simple, no one wants the hard way, this applys for everything. traditional isnt forgotten, it is just gonan fade out over time, thats the trend
@@user-dj5ki4km8c actually, from what I heard, the simplified script is also a stepping stone to get rid of Chinese Characters altogether. But that never materialized at all. There are some Simplified versions that I think is a bit better, an example is 單-単-单 (Trad - Shinjitai - Simplified) While I can see the reason why 単 is written like that (calligraphy), 单 is just one more stroke out from that, bit more logical. 戰 - 戦 - 战 this one is a bit weird at first, but what it is, is taking the phonetic component 單 (dan1) to the more recognizable sound of 占 (zhan1) Thus 战争 (zhàn zheng1). The Japanese version is logical, just take 單 => 単,thus 戦. But there are some are like wtf 谷 and 穀 meaning valley, and grain respectively, but they are merged into 谷 because they have the same pronunciation, like wtf (although I heard of a reason why in a book documenting the reasons why simplified Chinese had those simplifications, but I need to find it if I could). 乾, 幹 and 干 had been simpfied down to just 干 because of same pronunciations too like also wtf. But again Japanese does have that problem too, 辯,辨, and 瓣?all down to 弁 due to being similar enough to pronunce together (and Chinese did try to do that too in their second round of simplification, but was abandoned) I recommend searching up 宋元以來俗字譜, this compilation of character variants (among with others that for now I forgot) are the basis of many simplified and shinjitai forms that are used today. Forms like 聽 =>听,從=>従 or 从 (从 is actually the original form of 從), 德=>徳, 曉=>暁 for Japanese, and 愛=>爱,淚=>泪,實=>实 for Chinese. There are some that are even shared together like 畫=>画,當=>当,黨=>党,戀=>恋。 the problem is this: there are now three different main standards for writing the same "idea" or character, how can one do to make one standard for all?
О боже я не понимаю как китайцы успевают записывать всё что говорит учитель во время лекций 🤐 одно слово так долго и сложно пишется, то есть его даже сократить нельзя? А если быстро писал, как потом читать эти каракули? А если в одной детальке ошибся, то нужно весь иероглиф исправлять? А ещё, как они пишут мелким шрифтом если все эти многочисленные палочки сливаются? А как они делают баннеры с буквами в майнкрафте? Как вообще китайский язык выглядит в майнкрафте, он пиксельный?
@@user-fe3pi1xi8y Even compared to Japanese printing fonts, his Chinese characters are not very beautiful. This is not a difference in font between Japan and China.
I love to write and read Traditional Chinese ❤🇭🇰🇹🇼 and Modern Japanese (Shinjitai) characters ❤🇯🇵 but I really hate Simplified Chinese characters 👎 because it is use by the Chinese government for censorship.
Simplified Chinese characters are a great way to make writing Chinese quicker and more straightforward. They weren't created for censorship, but rather for informal use - and even then, Traditional Chinese requires more effort to write as it's more of a formal script, being much older than its simplified counterpart.
@@danielantony1882 Nope, that's inaccurate. The Chinese administration brought in Simplified Chinese in 1956 to make it easier to write and enhance the literacy rate of its citizens. The Shang Dynasty relied on the ancient Oracle Bone script rather than Simplified Chinese. The cursive form of Chinese started appearing during the early days of the Han Dynasty, which was significantly closer to the period in which we live today than the Shang Dynasty.