Dig, baby, dig? Does Shane Jones' case to mine more of NZ add up? | Q+A 2024 

Before criticising mining due to environmental concerns visit the Stockton Mine. The restoration that has taken place after removal of the coal is better than what it was previously.

30 million and only a tiny bit will go to the west coast........... That's it. How much will go towards restoring the environment.

I worked for a New Zealand company that was world leader in our field, we got bought out by an overseas company (along with another world leading NZ company). This gave them our technology that gave us the edge on our competitors & the nearly all our profits, both gone to an overseas company. Four years later citing lost income Covid & operational costs we were both shutdown at the beginning of this year. 165+ jobs lost, our technology lost, the machines we made in New Zealand now made in China & Slovakia with the money earnt for NZ & Kiwi workers lost forever. This IS what will happen with mining as well, the profits will go overseas & we will foot the clean up bill when they deem it unprofitable & they leave.

Ask National to release the West Coast report about the mine and Whittal? My brother was ine independent Health and Safety expert who reviewed the death of the 29. The Government AND the Australian company were culpable, yet there was no corporate manslaughter charges, and the widows got 5 years of ACC which is a slap in face for their losses. Until we demand 50% of the royalties from all mining ( as Norway does) for New Zealanders, we're being robbed! And the gold mines leave arsenic and mercury liquid waste don't we? How do we get rid of that?

Mining for 2% royalties. How much of the profit is going overseas Shane?

Its like all resources in this country sell them overseas for a profit then buy them back at a higher price its already happening with oil nothing will change and he knows it.

Does the Forestry Industry honour his social licence now? after the Hurricane Gabriel Auckland disaster.

New Zealand should mine and retain profits not off shore companies. We really are that stupid. We give away our water. We let foreign companies take the majority of profits from what minimal mining operations we do have. All the while the country yells and screams for more money for beneficiaries, nurses, police etc.. but we won’t pull the trigger like Australia on the goose that could lay golden eggs. Our only answer to anything is ‘tax the rich’

GST on exports is zero. But they claim all the inputs .

These discussions make Tech companies and exports look attractive. Weightless exports, high wages, no pollution, high growth, no H&S risks, quick and low cost to setup, low environment impact....

Are they going to require a mitigation restoration bond from the profit makers to aviod the situation of the public of New Zealand being left with the cost of cleaning up any potential disasters.

It's a no-brainer for NZ to use its own natural resources, far better than creating a bigger carbon footprint by shipping it from overseas.

Tell me what right does some media have to start calling our country a different name Then push and push without any communication with the people of NZ. New Zealand is called New Zealand. We already have our own flag we don't need another..

Wow the comments are not turned off. You've earned my sub Jack. Great job. I'm all for mining as long as there is full transparency. Hands off current DOC national parks and heritage sites. Any profits heading overseas MUST BE TAXED back to the NZ people. So we receive more tax cuts and or community fund projects to develop land in the vicinity of the mine. Also why can't WE CREATE OUR OWN MINING COMPANIES THEN SELL THE MINERALS OURSELVES ?. I THINK THAT STRATEGY WOULD BE MUCH MORE BENEFICIAL FOR NZ.ERS And protecting our National parks at all costs. I'm yet to be convinced that we should give up even 1%-5% of National parks for mining unless there are serious kickbacks for all New Zealanders. Good discussion. Thanks

2% Royalties 😂😂😂

Drill baby drill & Dig & dig

So it's won't be the "nephs on the couch" getting the jobs it will be the "nephs in Australia". Right. And the local economy eg the local four square, pub, bus service will see spend by the miners, while the big $$$ goes offshore. Got ya.

The government should get into mining and keep all the money not just 2%

He says Helen clarks govt as if he had nothing to do with it

How are the royalties for mining up New Zealand or are we giving our wealth away for nothing.?

2%Royalties =Corruption

If they're only mining for antimony, can I have all the gold they happen to incidentally dig up?

Fact check what he's saying about workers oversea's, Yeah their working alright but not in authorative roles ? Just as long as he's not showing us a small time mine operation which everybody says ok with, Then after it gets accepted by public then they switch it, to a much larger oil mining operation, off our shore line.

I love the way Jack lets Shane kick himself in the arse so much, Jones really doesn't need journalists asking him the hard questions, he manages to look like a complete twat with no help from anyone.

All Shane was saying was that we are so broke we need to generate wealth any way we can despite eco risks. My objection to this short term thinking is that money comes and goes but our environment is our future. It must not be sacrificed. Certainly not to make Aussie companies richer. He's thinking small, as usual.

Nz tech sector is worth 17 billion (according to google). Would it not be smarter to focus on this? And with advancements in technology with mining how many processes will be automated and require less human input in the near future? And what impact will that have on mining jobs?

Antimony, not Antinomy... Nice try tho Shane. Antinomy would be the conundrum we face regarding the climate and the environment.

Good Interview Jack,

When Shane Jones says he wants to mine the South Island's West Coast to help the 35,000 odd, people living there, he clearly hasn't talked to the locals. Australian mining companies means the profit goes back to Aus and the royalties go back to Wellington leaving Coasters with sod all just another hole in the ground.

My issue is if this govt get 10 billion they'll spend 15 billion. Theyve already spent anything that gets mined, we're 166 billion in debt. They just cant budget

So its not about economy its about jobs and almost no money in royalties at all

I wouldve thought that if the produced minerals were exported they would be zero rated for GST ?

You can bet it adds up….for shane

Wont even touch the sides of the clean-up costs, how many years of income has New Zealand shelled out on the $350M clean-up of the Tui field, EQC shelled out when the Waihi mine collapsed- still not cleaned up. Clean-up always falls in the lap of local council or tax payers.

the problem is who really benefits from this

This is the same Shane Jones who leases out the Sealord fleet owned by Nga tahu to the Chinese to fish our grounds dry He says No cameras on these boats because there rapping our seas

what about the uranium in the Buller gorge we can make money from that

Shane Jones says that the gold mine he put 15 million into is creating "100's and hundreds of jobs". Not true, Federation mining says up to 150 jobs when fully operational, which will be sometime next year if they get the required investment capital.

Mr 2 %

You don''t collect GST on exports, all are exports are GST exempt transactions

Beware that no corporates start a business with providing jobs, and revitilising a community in mind. They're here to make money for the owners, that is all. If we open up land for mining we need to get every dollar we can - increase royalties, make them pay for new roading, clean up and any disaster. Once the mine is spent, they'll leave, the jobs will go, and the taxpayer cleans up the mess, as has happened every other time.

What additional road expenditure is needed?

What is the % of wages to income in sector? ( 5,000 people)

While i respect the veiws and opions of all, there seems to be a layer of hipocracy in this argument. No mining for minerals - we would have it. Yet, as we sit here typing on our computer, using our cell phones, ride our electric bikes, drive our electric cars, or even when we may need a titanium hip replacement, we benefit from the very resources we oppose extracting from our lands and oceans. Not in our back yard - but anywhere else around the world is someone else’s problem. Something doesn’t quite add up.

If labour sees things shane jones way, they will never be in gov again

Aus is full of minerals. Can’t compare aus to West Coast. Better mining btc next to a power station

Bad interview Shane, ThanQ for sharing your true intentions. I will be in contact with you soon. Regards Raukura

This would be acceptable only if they raised the royalties well beyond 2%

so what is the down side of investing solar energy to house holds in order to take pressure off the grid

Guarentee the lions share of the money doesn't go to the coast. Lobbyists have got this guy in their back pocket.

People will come back to work in mining? Hmm....not a very appealing option to come back to.

It's about time we restarted mining in NZ. It's ridiculous that we are importing the minerals we need when we could be exporting and making money from it from our own resources. We shouldn't allow the greenies to impoverish us. And we have never had a tourist decide not to come to NZ because we have some mining, do the mining then allow nature to move back in and take over again.

Private companies in order to get special deals do deals with ministers ; small govt gets rid of oversight ?!

Poor Jack still has Cindy living in his head rent-free

So shane, how much money are you going to make for yourself

Go Shane we are behind you, you have my vote

Waihi is a low income town! Australia is closing iron mimes in western Australia. Shell and BP sold off their shares in refineries in South Africa this year.

Jack knows when he's talking with someone not up to the game.

What age where the mines Shane meet with in Blackpool... The TV news at the time showed mainly gray power made up the majority of the 300.

Nationalise 😊 Let them take fair profit but the rest stays home for stability and security

How does this benefit the average person?

Is it possible to start up a party that is just looking out for what is good for NZers and NZ. A political party that isn't political but is for NZ.

Opening doors for more corporate corruption.

There would be investment in this country if residential property was not an all-but government guaranteed investment.

Shane, like all other popularism politicians, gets angry and denial when his plans got busted.

Gezz Shane, what an absolute shocking defense of fishing industry, cameras, by-catch etc. I believe any thinking person watching this now believes you should not be allowed anywhere near a fast track decision. This interview is insanity and ego gone wild by any standard. Enjoy your next 18 months and save hard because it's not gonna last bro.

Jack got you and you switched off! Elaborate!!! wtf

in the helen clark time , that means he has been government twice and changed nothing , he was also in the held clark government

Anyone know of the oil thats been capped for decades just off the coast south of bluff? My grandfather was in the navy and worked in invercargill in the 60's and he always use to tell me that back then, it was world renowned that NZ had more oil than some of the biggest oil countries in the middle east.. Why dont we just uncap our oil. Genuine question!! If we got that much oil in our waters then why aren't we forcing the rest of the globe to buy from us. Too much being a pawn i say

12:56 12:57 companies to do everything .

If New Zealanders come back home to mine, any PAYE will be canceled out by the social services/infrastructure needed to support the extra population anyway.

Shane Jones is that horrible old uncle you dreed sitting anywhere near at Christmas and everyone can't wait for him to go home.

With our strict environmental laws and the difficult to get at locations of our minerals NZ is not an attractive option for mining companies the Govt must be paying them to come3 down here and dig for them.

after stuffing up mokai patea carbon credits and ripping off the iwi, he wants to mine and exploit. Pay your porn bill first

I think it is more environmentally friendly to extract our own minerals rather than import them from overseas.

The West coast needs those mines. We need that investment so we can stand up again and be a striving economy and Greymouth can be a booming town.

Go shane

Overseas companies! In the chicken industry, there is a large farm ( mixed dairy and free-range chicken sheds). Expanding its operation. Why are NZ people creating this business? Can free-range chicken in sheds live on the West Coast?

I moved to QLD last year to work in the coal mines. NZ cannot match the wages they pay Here. I will not move back home anytime soon.

In it Boots n All Matua Active Minning 💯 Where can us NZDRS invest for the Economy of New Zealand Growth 🇳🇿 First

I'm with Shane Jones. NZ needs to be self sufficient in everything that's possible to be self sufficient in. The World is changing fast, we need to be ahead of the game.

This is the same Shane Jones telling all our farmers to stop farming and grow billions of trees Haaaaaa the arse fell out of that one

Remember pike river?

He didn't look Jack in the eyes for most of the interview,that's very telling

Ouch Sir James !! Maybe not or maybe so ?

His comments about cameras on boats were appalling. What an awful man.

How is it "catastrophizing" to worry about the extraction of coal, gas and oil, or the increase in carbon emissions required to extract minerals when we are already bumping on and over the 1.5 deg C limit beyond which we were warned not to go without suffering the sorts of climate events predicted, and now manifest? The Walrus and the Carpenter Were walking close at hand; They wept like anything to see Such quantities of sand: If this were only cleared away,' They said, it would be grand!' (Lewis Carol. Walrus and the Carpenter) We know what happened to the oysters when they listened to that walrus.

We should be looking at Norway and other Scandinavian countries when it comes to this sort of thing. As someone stated below Norway receives something like a 50% royalty for their natural resources. The resource belongs to this country and its people and the money should be treated as such. Any other arrangements and the people who work on the ground get the scraps, and the suits and politicians who helped broker the deal get the cream. I just watched the bit where Mr.Jones is saying this is great because it will mean more jobs and more PAYE being paid so we should all be happy. I think he is missing the point. So these fellas slave away at blue collar jobs, and then the benefit to the country is that they are paying PAYE which helps fund the country while the massive profits go overseas, the white collar jobs depending on the company are all offshore and we as a country get bugger all. Sorry G, if that is your view on how we are going to steward our natural resources then yah nah, you don’t really have the regions or the countries best interests at heart.

Sorry I'm sick of Shane Jones, can't he mine his own backyard. I've nothing against mining done properly, but Pike River is never far from the minds of most on the Coast.

Yes Jack ....learn and listen to your superiors ...... Mr Jones is correct we need to invest in our resources...New Zealand has to get out of the doldrums ....This is a ggod way forward....

@Jack Tame, do the unions donate to the Labour Party? Has Jack ever asked a Labour MP whether donations from unions etc influenced any decisions?

What about my backhand I get from these greedy corporations that I will get .

Tame has clearly never been to a mine or the west coast…

Shane Jones policies on mining are so fraught with flaws he thinks this is going to be a huge economic benefit to the Coast. Gold mining in nz is a huge cost to mining companies due to the low yield per ton compared to Australia. Also it uses very harmful chemicals such as Cynaide. Any profits will disappear overseas and we will pay for the environmental clean-up. And wages are low here compared to mining industry in Australia.

Jack has done an excellent job for this interview, in terms of ripping off the "common sense" of popularism and disclosing their logic false.

Compare Waihi to west coast mining income.

My view is the'reconstruction' of tik tok and your dancing jones. Bank here. Don't sell the Sun 🌞 to buy a candle 🕯️

Great interview with the NZ Last MP

Freddy the frog has nothing on this guy. He just needs a fly to buzz past.

Dig.