Digital Cameras that look like Film 

The CCD compact digi cams have been all the craze in Asia. Lots of Japanese and Chinese youths have been buying those cameras to relive childhood nostalgia!

Oh my goodness. Thank you for the shout out! Absolutely love this video and all the fantastic tips. I’ve really been enjoying the stacking approach as well and have been playing with my 5D classic and adapted OM lenses from the 70s. Such a great look and fun experience. Your XZ-1 shots continue to blow me away btw. Thanks again and keep this great content coming!

I recently started looking into digital photography since my dad gifted me his Panasonic DMC FZ50 and the tips in this video helped me a lot, much appreciated ; )

amazing video, man! with films rising prices, I've considered using film for projects only and not as casually as I've been for the past few years. I recently picked up a digicam (canon proshot) and I've been having a blast. Really opened up creativity for me! I appreciate the nod! Stay safe!

Very interesting and informative. Much appreciate being able to listen without muzak all over the place.

ONE MONTH TWO CAMERAS!!! She’s my spirit animal !!

Just found your channel and subscribed. Useful content, capably presented, without distracting hype. You connect well with viewers. Well done. Love the “layering” tip. Have some old Pentax lenses - will dust them off and adapt to Fuji X cam. Cheers!

I just picked up an XZ-1 because of this video, and it is amazing! Thank you!

Great man. I have been down this rabbit hole for years but you taught me a couple things I didn't know so thankyou.

Excellent. I’m not into film due time, location and cost (full time work, limited photography time, small town no developers here, and film development is getting expensive) so film look in an old digital CCD camera it is. I have the Olympus XZ-2 and Stylus 1. Both produce great photos and camera limitations make photography fun.

Let me tell you, I have a 2007 Canon Powershot G9. With the correct conditions and lighting it absolutely kills it. (Especially with the flash on) The photos turn out so good. Honestly some of the shots look so similar to film it’s hard to tell the difference. Very underrated camera for sure.

OK Dude I've been buzzing around this topic for awhile now, probably for the last year or so...and this is hands down the absolute BEST, and I repeat BEST! video on the subject. Unparalleled-and you singularly have set the gold standard on the subject. There is such a wealth of information and a veritable trove of treasures embedded. My jaw literally dropped with your DP review search hack. I'm like: "are you f*kn serious...this guy is unbelievable!" No one need look anywhere else for information on the topic. Well done!

Interesting video- I keep my Nikon D700 around for this very reason. It definitely has that "filmic" feel.

Having fun with Ricoh CX series lately and...all others devices stay at home since...those are gems and deserve more attention

For a 4 month bike trip I took a a6000 paired with a vintage pentax super takumar 50mm lens and was blown away by the images straight out the camera. Lovely lens

I once owned a Nikon D40 and loved the images it took. The CCD sensor makes a big difference in how a camera renders a scene. Today, I mainly shoot Fuji XE-2S. The XTrans II sensor is pure magic when it comes to achieving a film look.

Great video and explanation !!

Interesting video! Great topic. I'm also quite interested in how to simulate the analog film look in digital photography. I'm shooting with Olympus XZ-2 (bought 2012), therefore I'm happy to see you're using the XZ-1. I like the Art filters by Olympus (monochrome in particular; kind of reminds me of a contrastier Illford HP5).

Thank You very much for plain comprehensive explanation and excellent presentation, which I haven't met before elsewhere. Highly Usefull.

As always Hashem great video, thanks.

I want film cameras under 500$🥺

I'd love to see the work behind figuring out how to match a digital image to a film stock! 🙏

dude awesome video. I've been strictly film for like two years and I just made the transition to a digital guy. stackin'

Early full frame DSLR cameras like Canon 5D Mk1 and the Nikon D700 renders film like images especially the colors. I been burned out by the rising cost of film and finally broke down and bought an old D700. I can't believe a Nikon FM2 cost more that the D700 today.

I use a Ricoh GR digital camera from 2005 and a 2008 Nikon D40. The images are really lovely 😍

I work with a variety of CCD cameras and record in RAW+JPEG … this is important for editing the RAW file to achieve the luminosity of the scene as remembered, and then combine with the JPEG file to achieve the colour as was - accurately - recorded at the time. This can be easily extended to multi exposure HDR work to overcome the dynamic range limitations of the CCD. Another thing to keep in mind is that in the early 2000’s camera manufacturers had to make a determined effort to woo their professional and semiprofessional film loyalists over to digital. They did this by hiring the very best film colour specialists around at the time before they went into retirement to help create the colour filter arrays (CFA) needed to give a film look and a recognisable house style. The sensor light gathering technology, whether it be CCD or CMOS or X-Trans etc, has very little to do with the final colour as they are by nature monochrome panchromatic. It is the CFA combined with a camera’s colour to JPEG output processing engine that defines an individual camera’s actual colour fidelity. Unfortunately, those days are gone, and to my mind it is only really Fuji left who really make a concerted effort to make outstandingly good colour cameras capable of being dialled in properly.

Whaooo just what I needed, thanks!

Hi Hashem, great video and content. I find using vintage lens on my a7iii works a dream. Mastic labs presets are good too.

The Canon 1D (classic) from 2001 has beautiful colours and its still a perfect camera 21 years later...

Very informative, thanks.

A good way to get the film look on a Fuji camera is to use the TTArtisan lenses. along with some weak grain added. The lenses are inexpensive and work great and give the most film look i've seen on a digital camera.

Very interesting video! I've been considering getting an X Pro camera just to have a fun shooting experience when I don't feel like buying more film haha

I recently went back and looked at some of my Nikon D80 shots (CCD) as well. I enjoyed that process.

Good video, Hashem! I Iove that Olympus XZ-1! I have wanted one for ages!

A big part of the reason CCDs had that look is because they are an analogue sensor that's converted to digital. Most simply, the photo cells are made of organic materials that react to light and then the light values are translated digitally by components behind that layer. (This incidentally means they have an unavoidably limited lifespan and older ones will start to change how they render an image.)

Nice tips. The lens is the main thing. My current favorite lens is the $19 Holga lens for the Canon EF mount. Cheap, plastic zone focussing, just like the one on the Holga cameras and it looks nearly identical to my Holga film shots when mounted on my Canon SL2, especially when I shoot in 4:3 or 1:1 aspect ratio. Not only does it lower the megapixels, you get that square format in 1:1 and really has that soft, lo-fi look.

Great list 😎✌️

Wonderful!!! I have the 5D classic, xpro1, 1D classic(spoilt) and various vintage lenses from Takumar, etc. Digicams like the LX3 are awesome and I will highly recommend the FUJIFILM S3 Pro! I just need to edit more images from it and share. But great thoughts there. I will say CCD sensors kind of look awesome with good light and they eat battery quiet a lot. Also, when thinking of adapters, most cameras adapt easily to canon so I got Nikon to canon adapter, m42- canon, Minolta -canon, Olympus - canon and then I got a viltrox canon to Fujifilm speed booster adapter. Now I have variety of lenses to use anytime. Also i don’t know but it felt like you implied ccd might be inferior a bit in dynamic range and true Colour compared to cmos. I would say it’s subjective. Their rendering is ‘true’ to the light available and that adds to the joy of using it. Also, most had lower megapixel at the time and that meant bigger sensor photo sites which captured light well and noise looked natural (unless heavily pushed then they mess up and some showed banding). Lovely video and I’ve learnt much. Thank you!

Great ideas! Loved shooting film, but it gets pricey. I picked up an original GR digital and it’s become my “digital film” camera. It gets high regards for BW, but I also really enjoy the color photos for that classic look.

Nice video. Love the photos of city beach ⛱

Thanks for the info man !

Nice... Thank you very much!

Hey cool - I literally have my partner’s D50 at my desk at the moment, testing out some old F-mount glass that needs the af motor in the body :) might have to try shooting some portraits with it :)

I still own the original Fuji X100 for this very reason. Very filmic output.

I have that neon sign in my photo shop ThePhotoStore in Warkworth New Zealand, been there since 99, excellent video and great recommendations, I always liked the Fuji Super CCD which had a looser array, the Olympus picture effects are great fun, canon G12 was a goodie, Sony Rx100ii, that xz2 and ten is on my shelf for sale, I pick and choose the best of all time, I would say it is the super fast aperture’s help for film look and some Olympus and other digitals had built in nd which adds again to the light control, I find u need a shallow depth of field is nicest when using film lens on digital, great idea to hunt out those gems and go for a photo walk, raw would help but not essential, canon eos has great picture styles to really pop your contrast with eg orange filters, great video, love it

An amazing old dslr camera to add to the list should be the Fujifilm Finepix S5 Pro with Nikon F mount. The BW rendering is incredible, looks like the old Kodak Panatomic X.

Another small ish tip is i then print the photograph off then use digital to photograph the print, can bring a very strong film look esp in black and white i have found in my lmited experience

I have Olympus EPL1 and Ricoh gx200 Your Channel its Amazing. Cheers from Germany

I have found that lower Mp sensors plays a big part. I still use my D100 (6Mp), D200 (10Mp) CCD sensor bodies and kept my early Fuji cameras, the X-E1 and X-E2S both X-Trans first and second edition 16Mp sensor array. With manual F mount and adapted film lenses for both my Nikon and Fujis. I found that the 10-16 Mp is the sweet spot for getting that "filmic" look with most lens combinations. Around 20 Mps I found to be the threshold of the analog look before it becomes digital and too clean and sharp to where you have to manipulate and use a form of IQ reduction in Post to get the "look" with either presets or lots of slider experimentations.

Interesting comment about the digicam images having a 'slide film' look - I think you've hit it right on the head Hashem. I still love E6 films and I find myself drifting towards that 'look' whenever I edit my digital images. Richer, more saturated colours suit my work, so I guess I'm just a 70's photography tragic :)

I just stumbled on this. Those are great tips. I shot film for about 30 years moving from Nikon-F to Leica-M and do miss it, but ain't going back...just like I won't go back to vinyl records 🙂. I agree with everything you put here, however, personally I find that the CMOS sensor looks more natural as a starting point than the CCD (CCD looks like a vintage TV Soap Opera to me). Also, vintage lenses are a big factor, like you mentioned. In addition to what you have here, here are some other things to consider for the film or vintage look: (1) I always have sharpness turned off - let the lens be what it is; (2) using curves to soften the transition from dark to light to reduce the dynamic range - I find that film clips a little softer than digital does and this approach mimics that; (3) I will use ISO 100-400 just like I had with film - many of my best film shots include some motion due to the ISO constraints. Also, I often had to shoot wide open because I had no choice in low light...that also created some nice surprises; (4) I find that manual mode, manual focus, and assigning dials and buttons appropriately also helps to slow things down and put me in tune with the camera settings - maybe I used to generally take better pictures with film, because I would take more time, to save money; (5) I have AWB white balance always turned off as AWB will often result in noise in one of the channels; (6) I will sometimes use real colored glass filters to correct white balance or for black and white as, again, it will reduce noise in one of the RGB channels for the final result; (7) I like to turn on the grid as I used to have those on my film cameras and it makes me take the time; (8) use a saved profile in the camera to put it into the film mimic mode when required; (9) my software of choice for film look presets is Exposure X7 and I am currently using a Sony A6500 as my only camera (plust iPhone).

Shooting with an x-pro3 with Canon FD lenses and metabones speedbooster. I use FujixWeekly recipes, and coming from (35mm) film, it has been an almost seamless transition! I also have an x-pro1 which is my "fun" camera that I've adaptes Pentax auto 110 lenses to, but I'm going to get a Canon FD to Fuji X-mount tilt-shift adapter for it soon.

I tend to use vintage lenses anyway, with my digital cameras. Namely, because they're cheaper and I like the look they give. But, I also use them on my film cameras as they're usually the ones I also buy for them, as well. I do have modern lenses, but they're also camera specific and for specific purposes (astrophotography, etc).

i started with digital photography with an olympus e-300 back in 2005, this was such a great camera, so much better colors than the canon 30d back then....when i find one, i shure will buy one....today i got an original sealed canon ixus 90is from 2008, still with ccd sensor, even the accu and sd-card were sealed, never used .....€ 60,-- was a ok price....greets BM 🙂

Great Video thanks! I thought the title was a bit too clickbaity and there are lots of pretty crappy videos out on this topic, but your video was quality all the way through once I overcame my hesitation and watched it. Cheers

you know, when digital cameras made it to the point where they were better than film (around 8mp was a little better than the 35mm film i used to use) we were happy to make the transition. I find it interesting that people now are looking for a lesser quality result.

I also shoot film and digital side by side, often with the same lens, and match the contrast and colors.

excellent video Hashem, ab d yes please do a tutorial on matching digital to film I would] enjoy that

Now it dawned on me hehe. Was answering your questions on insta about the images and look and what they were shot on, in the back of my mind realizing you had some sort of agenda ;) In the last live chat i was on a few including myself were talking and asking about if you adapted lenses, so its fu to see you had done a great video about that whole subject this whole time :) By the way i was way off on those images you asked about on insta haha...but was cool to see it was from these older digital sensors. To add something to the subject at hand, i think the closest i have come to getting the "look " i want except finding a nice software like the "Exposure and alien skin" i have used for a long time, it would be my old Panasonic LX3/LX5( most with Lx3 though). Also the older Fuji X20( not x-t20) was prettty filmic to me. Also i feel the Fuji X.T1 ( my favorite of the X line, i also had the X-T2 and 3 but never liked them as much as the 1) is a camera i still use and love for its filmic feel and look Other than that my sweet spot has been the two Nikon digital cameras i still own and love, the Nikon Df and D4 with the same sensor, and adding the older Nikon lenses to the Df is such a sweet mix of the film realm and digital one. I have made some of my favorite images using the Df + Nikkor Noct, and for me as close to film both in handling and look i have come with the gear i usually use. About the last sagment adapting lenses and using software and stacking things, i have just sort of started that with my lens adapting journey with the X.T1 and M42 lenses. Its really fun and im now looking for a speed booster to be bale to use the Takumar lenses closer to wide angle as the widest i get now is like 40 with my taku 28 mm f3,5. Not sure you have tried those but i reckon you have , so if you have any tips there hashem please let me know :) Anyhow, great informative vid, love the variety you keep putting out . /regards Martin.

Great video, what settings de you use on the photos taken with xz1? The colours are awesome

Interesting video

Get the 5D and shoot with higher iso 😉

Nikon D200 and Sony A350/80/90 . The D200 has a 10mp CCD and the Sonys have 14mp. 14mp photos can be printed @ 300dpi up to 13x19.

The truth is: It's the highlight roll-of and and dynamic range in film photos. So here's what you do: You take any camera that has a DR+/Auto-ETTR function and shoot it native ISO and RAW and bam, put it in lightroom, slap an S-curve on there, play with the colors, done.

Great video man! Love it! I love playing around with combinations of cameras and lenses and doing fake film. For me it’s fun and that’s what this is all about. I do this with my Fuji’s and love it, the only bad thing is the crop. For example: I got the Yashica ML Zoom 42-75mm, and this lens gives a nice warmth to all images, even if using a cooler WB, but it’s never overwhelming. Also use D700 with manual focus lens at golden light and slightly over exposed, and it’s fun.

The Nikon d100 has the same sensor as the epson r-d1. I only buy vintage ccd sensor digital and I too am a film shooter.

The greatest camera that literally is like operating a film camera and shoots images that look like film, has to be Sigma Foveon cameras, they are VERY SLOW to work with, and I mean it when I say slow. You gotta expose correctly or you are screwed, JUST LIKE FILM! And the only working ISO range is usually 100 - 400 with the older Foveon, with the newer ones you can go up to 800 ISO thats usable but expert colour artefacts! The upside with Sigma cameras is that they cost reasonable prices despite being quite literally 6000 dollar cameras at launch day they gone down in prices, so has the SA mount lenses, these cameras are also pretty easy to use as in there very little buttons and shit that will confuse you, all the buttons you would find on an old school film camera will be found on a Sigma, the colours these cameras produce are also closest to film since they capture R, G and B on 3 independent sensor arrays sandwiched together, both CCD and CMOS capture colours in a pattern array with R+G+B pixels, some have white pixels and some have more green pixels etc, its different arrays basically like Fujifilm and their X-Trans sensor which is just CMOS but with a different colour array. Honestly, if you love taking pictures but is not a professional about it, buy a smaller camera, you are far more likely to carry it around with you, if you have trouble taking pictures in public like me with a huge freaking camera because it makes you look like a twat lets be honest, then a smaller camera will make you look like a tourist, you rather be a tourist, than a local with a big camera, trust me, and in some countries, getting mugged is a problem and walking around with a huge camera = rich man. Smaller cameras are also a lot more fun to use, specially fixed lens compacts, the crazy zooms they possess is fun to use, they are absolutely atrocious in low light situation, but keep in mind low light photography was pretty much impossible handheld just 20 years ago before digital came along and changed it, small camera does not have to be 1/2.3 inch sensor, or 1 inch, they can even be full frame! Yes full frame compacts exist, usually these cameras have fixed lenses, but MFT and APS-C sensor compacts are around which can give you zooms and a lot of flexibility specially in dynamic range, these small 1/2.3 inch sensors tend to have no wiggle room, what you capture is what you get, you wont have much adjustment in post. Which kind of reminds me of colour slide film.

Nikon D700 also worth mentioning

Merci le boss

What works for me is shooting vintage glass on CCD cameras. I also will carry a film camera sometimes and use the digital to take test shots (say, trying out different compositions or focal lengths) before shooting a final frame or two with film - probably the only reason I can really afford to shoot film. Great vid, btw.

I don't really think old digicams have a Film look, but I agree that they have a nostalgic look.

my favourite way to get the filmic look I want, is to shoot the image with a film recipe / sim on my X-T2, but shooting RAM + JPEG, then matching the RAW file to the JPEG (more or less), it's usually pretty easy. That way I can keep the DR of the RAW file and still keep the look I wanted for the shot, as well as doing a few tweaks along the way. I only do that for pictures that I think are worth it or really need a bit of editing, otherwise SOOC JPEG are generally fine, especially with Fujis Also, about old Nikons, the nice thing is that those cameras have the same lens mount as older film cameras from the 60s, so every lens just goes on there natively. However, Nikon lenses are a bit tricky to work with. See, to get teh best focus, a little lever is keeping the lens wide opened all the time, even if you turn the aperture ring to close it down. It only allows the aperture to close when you press the shutter, and that the lever is pulled down, allowing the blades to move. The way old film cameras talked to the lens back then is with a little rotary encoder on the very ring that you turn, and the more closed the aperture was, the more that encoder turned as well, and allowed the camera to know that the aperture would close when the shutter release happens. Digital cameras like the D40, D50, D60, D70 (D70S), D80 etc don't have that encoder, so shooting with those cameras and vintages lenses is a NIGHTMARE, even more difficult than shooting film : you'll have to guess, based on your settings and the lights conditions you're in, if your exposure settings are good or not. You don't have acces to the light meter (nor semi automatic modes like aperture priority for that matter) since the camera can't know what the exposure settings are. Nikon did eventually put the aperture encoder on their high end bodies, but it didn't make its way into consumer cameras until the D7000 which at this point has a pretty modern CMOS sensor anyway. The recommended camera if you want that CCD look but still want to use your camera and lens fully would be the D200, which is the lowest end camera to feature this kind of feature. Be aware that it only takes CF cards tho

thanks for the nice vid! are they all SOOC?

I l’ve had good success with Jamie Windsor’s film presets using my Nikon Z6ii.

Are those olympus xz-1 Photos edited, or is that how they look straight from the camera? Amazing photos

I want to grow by exploring, appreciating and treasuring all the moments of my life. I badly want to have an digital camera or recorder but as of now, my parents won't allow me because its too expensive, and hoping that I can enhace my skills in photography and filming .

Very good video

CCD sensors don't really have less accurate color than a CMOS sensor. Improvements in color accuracy over time which was concurrent with the rise of CMOS has more to do with improvements in the color filter array (CFA) on the sensor. Color dyes used to be more prominent in the CFAs but have largely been replaced with pigments (side note: pigments are fine particle based coloration, often inorganic material and not water soluble. dyes are typically water soluble organic compounds). Pigment based CFAs tend to have better resistance to light, which allows them to retain better spectral purity in brightly lit conditions, which allows better color accuracy in bright conditions. Older dye based CFAs sometimes have more cross-talk between color channels. Also, some really old digital cameras (pre-2003) didn't have the best IR-UV blocking ''hot mirrors" affixed on top of the CFA which could result in decreased color accuracy in IR-rich light sources and increased UV sensitivity under strong daylight on high-UV index days. Since this development happened in parallel with CMOS becoming more common, it gives a false impression of CMOS having superior color accuracy. CMOS does have better dynamic range though, most often! But I think (am not sure) many cameras still are made with CCDs, since CCD technology has improved over time. SPAD technology invented by Canon is a potential successor to CMOS with even better dynamic range and improved noise profile (SPAD works better in low light compared to CMOS). In any case, CMOS typically uses a rolling shutter which can result in strange motion artifacts. CCD sensors captured all at once, exposing like film does. So that is another reason CCD may seem more film like.

I miss the digicam flash look like the ones you would take at a night club in 2006, thats the nostalgic y2k look for me

great, great video on a subject i’m very interested in. we would love to see your process to edit for the filmic look! i think the vintage lens approach is easiest and gives best results. the older the better. keeping in mind that old lenses may have fungus or haze which can be difficult to work with. keep in mind when adapting lenses there are pitfalls with focusing to infinity and focal length. mirrorless cameras are awesome because you can adapt any lens to them, but sometimes the lens/body combination can’t focus to infinity without another piece of glass in the adapter. also, film/35mm lenses will have a different focal length if you adapt them to a camera body with a crop sensor (eg. a 50mm lens film camera lens works out to be more like 75mm on a crop sensor) old lens systems i use a lot are M39/Leica thread mount (fantastic), Nikon F (especially pre AI), and older Canon FD and Pentax. sometimes i use multiple adapters together to get different effects-for example, an X mount to PK lens adapter, with a PK mount to FD lens adapter, then shoot wide open gives you an insane glow and unique softness vintage lenses i love: miranda 50-f1.8 jupiter 8 50-f2 canon FD 50-f1.4

Nikon D3 has a great “film” look

My favorite is Nostalgic Neg

The Leica M8 and M9 are fantastic cameras. The 50mm Summicron from 69-79 is also a fantastic lens that captures a film quality. It’s generally thought of as the worst Summicron because it delivers lower resolution than the others. Older Ricoh GR digital cameras also offer fantastic black and white photo looking pictures.

I saw a Leica S that looked like it was in great shape on ebay. It was a type 006 with the 37mp Kodak CCD. $5000 starting bid. Maybe someday...

My Fuji X100 is fun, but also the Sony A7 with Voigtlanders has a retro look.

Which Fujifilm Camera do you recommend for starter? Like from cheap to expensive?

Try the Olympus camedia c-4040. Images from that camera is really beautiful

even Olympus m43 cameras have very filmic images

I no longer have access to a darkroom, so I don't shoot film any longer, but I do shoot TTV(through the viewfinder). I mate my digital camera through the viewfinder of an old Kodak, or Agfa camera.

Foveon sensors are the best for the film look. I have a Sigma Sd Quattro and the stills are mind blowing. The colors and tones are second only to film. It beats my Fujifilm cameras even with the film recipes

Hey does anyone know if you can attach a Tiffen Pro Mist filter onto one of the CCD digi cams like the olympus xz-1? Not sure if that's a silly question, i'm very new to photography ! Thank you :)

I love my Olympus Pen F, but it's not cheap currently. There are a lot of "formulas" out there to create a film look with a color wheel. And I enjoy restoring old lenses and shooting with them.

Here’s another tip: get an Olympus OMD or Pen with the 16MP sensor (any will do). The noise up to ISO 6400 on the Olympus is very film like. Also, Olympus (now OM Systems) offers Olympus Workspace which allows you to customize your own color profiles, some Olympus cameras allow you to store these in camera. The tiny XZ-2 is also a good choice. That said: just shoot film if you want film results. Either it’s worth it or not. If you work on a longer term project and you rely on consistent results, stock up on the film stock you chose, buying enough in advance so you can finish your project. Another tip: color film is more expensive than b&w.

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Still adore my Nikon D3000 for its filmic feel.

I could be wrong but I think future digital cameras will match the look of film soon once they have more dynamic range. DXO Filmpack is said to be very good. On a side note DXO PhotoLab Deep Prime best noise reduction in the world. I export too DNG raw so I can edit in another editor of I want.

Hi there! Which exact 28-80mm lens was it that was used for the water pictures with the Nikon D50? And are those pictures edited? I love them so much, I'd love to recreate the look of those pictures on my next holiday. Thank you!

Thanks

hi, nice samples from the XZ-1. just got myself one too.. may i know setting for the photo you using on this XZ-1? should i shoot in fine or just standard resolution to get more lo-fi look? thanks for sharing

I was thinking how about a Nikon D80? with older AI/AIS lenses? don't even need adapter~