it would be really cool if you would continue the table and fill it with various rubbers. Such as the tenergy series ... So you would have a very nice overview of all common rubbers.
The H3 orange sponge and blue sponge are complete different rubber. H3 orange with haifu seamoon boost is more close to a European/Japanese rubber with a tacky surface. (The cheapest H3 version's surface is not as tacky as compared Provincial version, so with booster it's pretty much like a euro/Japanese rubber.) The blue sponge hurricane 3 is probably one of the best forehand rubbers I have ever tried. Especially on Butterfly out-layer blades like Lin Gaoyaun ALC/Zhang Jike ALC/Viscaria Compared to the orange one, 1. Blue sponge's control is extraordinary, it's just so forgiving no matter it's place short or underspin open up or defense! 2. The blue sponge is "low throw" and is able to "absorb spin". When you use blue sponge to catch a super topspin incoming ball, you get much more confident to get it on the table or even attack back. This also give me more confidence in service receive. The orange version doesn't have such "absorb spin" ability, which is why I felt like it's more close to an euro/esn rubber. 3. The "low throw" ability of the blue sponge makes it's suitable for "Chinese Playstyle". You can swing all your power without worrying about the ball will go out of the table. With Tenergy 05, the "big swing" will make the ball out of table. Actually I found out when you hit hard with max power, the blue sponge has more "power" than the orange one. Or I would say the orange sponge will make ball go out of the table with same power. The Blue sponge is also has its problem: 1. Toooo expensive. I found blue sponge easier to break with bubbles if you boost it. Lifespan isn't great if you use boost oil. 2. Not good at smashing high balls, you'd better twiddle to your backhand Euro/ESN rubber. Now I'm still seeking a Euro/ESN rubber which has the same "low throw" & "absorb spin" feeling of the H3 blue sponge, but still don't find the choice. At least now for me the service placement/control of the orange sponge one isn't that great for me.
If you’re still searching for a rubber, I recommend the Friendship 729 Battle II Provincial version. It has a blue sponge and its performance is very good without booster.
Great comparison Dan, but I believe it would be more fair to add H3 Blue Sponge against O9C instead of Orange Sponge Version to the comparison. Happy bday btw.
It would probably be the same. These reviews is like asking a cat to bark. They're European style player so of course they look for different things than a Chinese style player. Likewise with a Chinese style player.
@@morhafsa9788 lmaooooo not “faster” in the sense of “Balls are faster”, but faster in the sense that the “maximum speed” is faster… but RARELY are there Europeans that can hit that fast/hard, so the difference between National and normal is pretty insignificant… if anything they will generate slower speed using National blue lol
@@Baraka552 His equipment spec is flying all over the internet. W968 blade, Hurricane on both side, 42 degrees forehand, 37 backhand. Im pretty sure majority of armature players doesn't have the ability to get any quality shots out of this combo. Let alone malong's equipment is probably custom to suit his power, Which its like comparing extra hard bow vs soft bow
@@winsonlu3282 Well, I know those specs but if you mean that his forehand, for example, is too hard and only few able to hit with enough power to break in the sponge - I think I'd be one of those few guys. But never know until he gives me his racket. Also, they say that CNT (including Ma Long ofc) boost their rubbers, so…
In addition to the Hurrican 3: The harder you hit the ball, the faster is the Ball. Big difference between european and chinese rubbers. Chinese rubbers dont have a speed maximum and european have one. In addition you maybe should have included that in your review. Exept for that it is a great review
National versions of the Hurricane or Skyline series usually have a very hard sponge and they're super slow when they're not being boosted. I have played with a stock national H3 and it was super slow. After boosting it was uncontrollably fast. You can be sure that all of the chinese players, who still use these rubbers are boosting them.
@@lgeiger H3 comes with a range of sponge hardnesses. The commercial H3 (tested in this review) comes most often with 40 degrees hardness (but other options do exist). The provincial and national versions offer broader ranges - as soft as 36 degrees and also harder than 40. So National doesn’t, in general, imply a harder sponge. Some CNT players seem to be using the 41 degree hardness (Lin Gaoyuan) and others 39 or even 37 (ML is said to use 39 on FH and 37 on BH). My experience going from 5 years on Tenergies to H3 was that I had to adjust my strokes a lot. But once I contact the ball well in loops, the ball catapults faster and with more spin than what I could get from Tenergies. For flat hits/blocks Tenergy would be much faster indeed, there is no workaround there :-)
You guys play with shorter strokes, when using hurricane you need a bigger stroke (that's how the Chinese utilise the full potential of the rubber), Also the booster can make a difference, 2 layers is ok but you can use black oil haifu seamoon national version + a h3 national blue sponge paired with that will probably give u a better comparison, if not national u can use provincial blue sponge also, bcuz blue sponge is fastest
I am a little concerned about this review, I have enjoyed your past reviews a great deal. You are promoting "easy" , "poor form" , "less effort" into a inflated review for any euro rubber let alone dignics. Chinese rubbers speed is directly correlated to power input. it requires a higher skill level and stamina player. The players twiddle to euro rubbers when they can not put maximum effort, because euro rubber has larger spring but caps out, this is also why it's on backhand because you can't not put as. much energy into the backhand as a forehand based on our bodies mechanics. I think these topics should be seriously spoken about, it's misleading.
@@samjason7073 they are promoting less effort. "I give the speed to dignics because you so not need to put as much effort." 1. that's a promotion and acceptance of lazy, 2. wrong. speed goes to Chinese rubber, not to the euro rubber just because you are not phyisclaly capable. There's science backing behind what they are trying to measure, it's not opinion . preference is an opinion.
@@samjason7073 I will openly tell you. I use tenergy over Chinese. I am a big guy and I'm not old, but I'm not early 20s anymore either. I am slower, so I do crutch off euro rubber, but I set myself up with my machine where it's predictable and Chinese rubber is far far stronger. if I was 16 again or when I have a child, they will be learning with Chinese rubber, you are a far better player for it.
@@CMCMTTTV I have a PhD in material science and engineering, and have been in the field for 11 years now? I must not understand, I mean beyond the fact we have empirical data on it since we were in a slow period during covid with nothing to do. But yes you know it all. Let's even ignore that, you clearly did not read my review. take your time and read before you respond it's a typing medium, you don't need to add word vomit.
@@ericmendoza4651I know I am 3 years late but imagine being wrong after so many paragraphs. While less catapulty rubbers need more work put into them of course pros litteralys twiddle to euro rubber because it is easier to smash with it. Some Chinese player litteralys said this in interviews.
There are 2 major problems with this test: 1. It should be the D09C with 1 or 2 layers of Falco Platinum booster vs the H3 Neo National Blue Sponge 40 degrees with FOUR layers of Haifu Sea Moon National Yellow booster. And 2. You have to use both of them in black, as Chinese rubbers play differently from red to black. Black is considerably more spinny and the red is a bit faster and harder feeling. Anyway, the National Blue Sponges don't come in red. When you do that comparison, you tell me which one wins each category. I GUARANTEE that the boosted H3 Neo National Blue Sponge 40 degrees whips the D09C's arse, even for you Butterfly shills. And that's really the biggest problem here. Why would you choose the commercial H3 Neo vs D09C. Someone who is thinking of getting D09C wouldn't be considering the commercial H3 Neo against it. They'd be considering a National Blue Sponge, as D09C and H3 Neo National Blue Sponge are about the same price. This right here is some hardcore Butterfly shilling, which TTD can't seem to stop doing. All the ratings for blades and for rubbers are embarrassingly in favor of Butterfly products. I own, or have owned like 90% of the stuff on those charts. And I don't have any biases towards any companies, good or bad. That's how i know how hard TTD are shilling for Butterfly. And how could they not? They do business with Butterfly and Dan uses a Butterfly blade, Butterfly rubbers, and even Butterfly shoes, even though he'd play better with a different blade and rubbers, and his shoes are fugly as shite. Plus, his shoes never match anything he wears. TRY MIZUNO, DAN! And guys, just announce that you favor Butterfly products for whatever reasons you would like to admit, and just stop lying to people. It's so shady to do that. I cannot imagine how many amateurs have gone and wasted money on the extremely overpriced Butterfly stuff just because they saw you guys talk Butterfly's stuff up in an extremely biased way. I've recently watched a bunch of your equipment reviews and I've found what I would expect to find from someone who knows they're biased and are being deceptive about it. You guys almost never say anything remotely negative about something from Butterfly. Instead, you'll frame things as a preference type thing. Whereas with any other company, you clearly frame things as drawbacks when you talk about the negatives. Please just be honest, or just start being fair and not favoring Butterfly.
Maybe they just wanted to H3 instead of the H3 Neo National b/c they wanted to see how the budget rubber is compared to a reference rubber. Also this test isnt about "what is the best rubber in the world - everything else is trash". It was just "there are 3 famous rubbers. let us compare them".
As far as my experience goes with these rubbers (not that much) with the butterfly it's easy to get OK shots with not so OK technique, so it's easy to develop the wrong technique. But with a great technique, the hurricane shots become so much better, that when you focus on technique, these rubbers carry you to victory!
@@pablominnaro3502 still more affordable than those of tenergies, at least in my country. I've got my provincial blue spinge at around 60-70% of tenergy price
@@errizashalahuddin5969 Well in this case u make a point. Prices are higher in my country due to taxes I guess. Still, H3 is my favourite rubber by far !
Great comparison in general. There's just a slight point which is the forehand technique in China is different from EU so it needs time to adjust to the Chinese style rubbers(if you're into the better performance out of it). That is also part of the reasons why Chinese players stick to hurricane 3 even if they need to boost it. They were trained with it since kids and already got used to it.
With Chinese forehand technique, hurricane 3 gives a slightly weirder arc after bouncing off the table. And for me who take table tennis as a hobby, a better choice is to go with the 39 degree stiffness, which is easier to control.
i have tried a national version and a normal one and the national hurricane 3 is faster and gives lot more control.the national hurricane 3 is much better than a normal hurricane 3.
It is normal that for you the dignics are better if your usual rubbers are European. You take advantage of the dignics because you are used to it but the bad thing is that you do not take advantage of the potential of the Chinese tires because they are very different tires with different game purposes and if the comparison is made by two players who play with European tires it is obvious what the winning rubber. For me, the video was good and entertaining, but when it comes to the comparison, bad from my point of view. I think you should have brought someone who plays with Chinese rubber instead of two players who play with European rubber.
The rating system is great. Are you going to go back and give ratings to the rubbers you have already reviewed? And Dan, you gotta try Yasaka Rakza Z man. I would love to hear what you thought of it
Also, Hurricane 3 the amount of spin potential is much more, especially with the topspin rallies and the right technique. (power from the ground technique)
For h, normally you need 3 layer of boosting(remember to buy Chinese brand booster). It will definitely damage the rubber after sometime but it's still much cheaper compare to T or D.
how is the 90c compare with the Nittaku Hurricane Turbo orange/blue? I think those are more comparable to the 90c since it is same kind of hybrid. The only drawback is the weight of the Nit Turbo series, super heavy
Why TTD selectively review mostly on Butterfly rubbers (many are untouched yet, eg Donic series except M1, Nittaku Fast Arc series, Yasaka Razka series, many more are not there), why they ignore/ selectively answer most of the important questions asked in the comment box?
Did you already test any blue sponge version of hurricane 3 or hurricane 3 neo? Orange sponge is known as being dead and unplayable without a lot of tuning....
You're probably aware the national team uses blue sponge H3 not the typical consumer packaged H3 orange sponge (not the same). I mean the chinese have dominated for years with H3, its definitely a proven rubber. While i havent used dignics yet, I have long used national H3 and its an absolute joy to use for someone like me who like to counter back away from the table.
The difference and biggest advantage to hurricane 3 is the throw angle. If you watch the spin comparison again, notice how much higher the ball is over the net when using the o9c vs Hurricane 3.
it s more like 18 vs 105 in US. So a comparison is weird haha:). I d love to have the comparison between tenergy 05 at that price level. That being said having a scale definitely would help the viewers when it s time to purchase or try equipment so I applaud you for that
Welcome return and great review, I'd love to see some yasaka rubbers tested the razka x and 7 are really popular at my club the new rakza z looks awesome too.
For a lot of Chinese Rubbers, you really need to be fundamentally sound to produce good shots. Therefore, if top amateur and the second tier professionals like Dan and Tom have to use two layers of boosters to get remotely similar effects as the Dignics. Given once you use the boosters, you shorten the life of the rubbers considerably. So really, over the long haul, it will cost the same, if not more overtime to replace the Hurricane at least twice as the Dignics. In that case, Dignics will be the better choice over the lifetime. Or better yet, do your homework to get something similar to the Dignics at slightly lower the price to get the best of both worlds. Just my two cents.
Makes sense maybe. D05 here costs 130, H3 Neo costs 30 + booster. Price wise very similar. Its just you get the feeling of new sheet on your blade 4 times more often. Another factor you might use D05 on both sides, while its not so common to use H3 on the backhand. However the winning combination is another rubber which does not require boosting and still costs just 40 :))
Instead of making this "blind"-challange, i would have been interested, if the trainingspartner can "blindly" find out which one is played by sensoring the spin/speed/arm-movement (...). If the diffence between rubbers is big, such should be easy...
For those that learned with Euro/Tensor rubbers the Dignics 09C is more familiar to those types of rubbers than the Hurricane 3. But for those that learned to play using Hurricane will find that Dignics 09C does not have the dwell time of the Hurricane 3. The feeling of the ball sinking in to the top sheet when top spin is irreplaceable. That feeling is only replicated by other Chinese rubbers such as Battle 2, Big Dipper, etc. TL:DR: Those that use Tensor rubbers will find Dignics 09C an easier transition. But to me it seems like the Dignics 09C is trying to be more of a hybrid rubber than that like the Hurricane 3. If you learn using Hurricane then you should just stick with Hurricane 3.
Hi. You have used DHS Hurricane 3 Neo orange sponge tacky rubber in this video. This rubber has a little softer sponge than blue sponge rubber used on National H3. you cannot buy original H3 National . why booster. H 3Neo that you used is factory boosted. .. I played with this rubber on forhand side cca 3 years. another boosting makes this sponge too soft and so why you cannot play lower arc. this is my opinnion.
hi) can you some day make a comparison some rubbers with national hurricane 3? There a lot of differences between commercial and national versions of hurricane 3
I just started getting back into table tennis after a 10 year hiatus. I’m running my old Viscaria blade and went cheap with Hurricane 3 Neo on both sides. I find the Hurricane 3 to be amazing on FH but mediocre on BH. For BH, it has a very small sweet spot, and too many of my shots end up in the net or over the table. I don’t know if it’s just me, that I have bad BH form, or the rubber just isn’t all that great for BH.
@@dusanvolkar3735 Yes ,you are both right, I just watched it again and it is Neo, I don`t think TTD realised it was Neo. It`s already factory boosted so I am surprised it didn`t play quicker.
dan definitely does not have "power from the ground" synergy or dynamics, and his play style seems more suited to euro-rubbers that produce more power. Hurricane seems more suited to players that generate their own power, thus giving them masterful control of all aspects of the shot. tom's style adheres more to Chinese methods as there is more fluidity and synergy in his legs and overall rotation. i think his style is better suited for hurricane. But, if you're used to the rubber doing most of the work for you, the transition can be an awkward one.
If you use the rubbers the way they're supposed to, you'll get a totally different result. But if you play the same way with both rubbers, you'll get this result :) To get the most out of the Hurricane 3 do like Ma Long for example. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-QqGJA2lqrzE.html . Totally different looping game, and then you get the speed...
I'm sure that actually, you wanted to say Dignics 09c was spinnier than H3. I could see from the rebound distance that the topspin from Dignics 09c was farther than H3. Something that you need to know is if you use Chinese rubber, you must use its technique. That means you must rely on your leg, hip, and weight transfer. Your arm just follows the weight transfer movement. Through that, you will get a monster spin you never imagined. I saw you only rely on your arm and shoulder like other rubbers. I mean non-Chinese rubber. I just switched from Nittaku Fastarc G1 to DHS H3. When I use H3 with the same technique as I was using Fastarc G1, It never rotates well. Fastarc G1 had a way better rotation than H3. I was little bit frustrated. But since I learned about weight transfer, trained to use my leg and hip more than my arm. I had far far better rotation with DHS H3. Fast, spinny, and kick. Just so you know I don't use BOOSTER on my H3. But it works very very very well. Just with a proper technique 👌
Maybe what you are using is the commercial neo 3. If you can get the national blue sponge maybe it can match the speed and flat hit of dignics 09c. Oh never mind my comment.
DHS hurricane 8 is same as hurricane 3 boosted and hurricane 8 doesn't need boosting, so why didn't you compare H8 with D09c because hurricane 8 has more speed and it would be more even comparison.
I think it is wrong between Neo Hurricane 3 Normal version and Dignics 09c. because Neo Hurricane 3 is a little diffrent feeling and specification depending on the version, Normal, Provincial and National I think it is not fair. Dignics 09c has to compare the Neo Hurricane 3, National Version.
How is double boosting Hurricane giving it a 'fair' test? It is was it is right? Before manipulating the rubbers, it would be great to see the difference straight from the manufacturer. I dont' boost anything. I have Tynergy 05 and lots of Hurricane 3. Love them both, yes they are remarkably different.
H3 Neo claimed to be factory pre-boosted, it has a glue layer which you can tear off. But from personal experience I don't think they are the same, not even close.
Hi Dan, I read that you want to review the latest Gewo Equipment soon. I play the GEWO Hype Kr in 2,1 since 2019. The rubber is hard but has an high arc so it's still really controlled. It's not their newest rubber but great. Greets birdy
Hi there, im a newbie to intermediar ( i ve played a lot when i was younger, and now i suck.. but i want to start again to play) player and i want to build a custom racket. Can someone tell me if this is a good build? Stiga OC Dhs hurricane 3 (bh) Butterfly roundell (fh) maybe rozenda don t know if it s worth to pay a liitle bit extra in my case. Thanks!
lol, it looked like Dan was using a $10 premade bat when he was using the Hurricane 3. Can't believe how slow it is even after boosting the Neo sponge.
It's far from slow. Chinese rubbers require a different technique. When you brush the ball hard instead of hitting it flat it produces massive speed (and spin). The harder part is that you need a fine touch and requires a lot of practice
@@blueheart9873 That's a myth that everyone keeps repeating. Brushing doesn't give you extra speed, using a full-body swing does. Chinese players hit twice as hard to achieve the same speed. Everyone in China admits the 09c is faster, but not everyone thinks faster is better. Go read Chinese pingpong forums if you don't believe.
@@Waingro808 Of course you need to hit hard. The benefit of Chinese rubbers is that you can hit hard ánd produce a lot of spin. Not to mention it is much easier to vary speed with Chinese rubbers making your topspins trickier. Tensor rubbers are clearly faster in the "low force area", but don't significantly increase in speed when hitting harder
Hello TTD, my name is Frank M. from Spokane ,Washington USA. Can you two do some comparing Gambler Volt-T 2.1 mm sponge and compare to 09c butterfly and Hurricane 3 neo and Hurricane 3 2.15mm sponges and just test how Gambler Volt - T stands out , will you do this test for me. I want to see what you think .
A "blind" test doesn't make much sense? The stench of Chinese rubber is so strong that it is clear as soon as you play the first spin (the racket comes close to the head) which rubber is in question ..
