My best bet for anyone new to reloading, like most 650 owners, we've had it as long as 20+ years, loaded millions of bullets. Proven and tested. I just love my telephone dial.
bought my xl650 about mid 2016 i think and the actual frame looks nearly identical to the xl750 with the extra fill in strength support in the o frame as well as having the grease nipples on the pivot bolts.
I know I have lots of problems with the 650 and glad they went back to the tried and tru 550 primer system. Lots of primer problems with the 650, primers somehow get on there sides, they hang up or stick, dial sticks on everything it seems, you have to get a primer even if you don’t need it which means your always having to put primers back into the system. I have gotten to the point I will just hand prime my cases first then throw them into the hopper, it is that much faster, plus I clean my cases and check them at the same time which is a 3 step process anyways (washed, dry, & walnut tumble), this way it cleans & polishes the brass inside and out, even gets the primer pocket and flash hole perfectly clean, does it really mater, well it does to me.
I have had a 650 for years. I struggled with purchasing the 750 because of the new priming system. I finally pulled the trigger on the 750 about 2 months ago and I am super happy I did it. The new priming system is awesome! I have turned my 650 into a brass processing machine and the 750 is now my loader. I like to thoroughly process my brass separately. I know a lot of people don’t like to invest the time it takes to do that however, I do and the 650 makes it fast. I put a primer pocket swager in and can run over 1000 pieces of brass an hour in my 650. If you are struggling with purchasing a 750 just do it. You will not regret it.
You, and I are birds of a feather. Except I handprime while watching TV. I can run huge batches, and not have to worry, or cleanup priming failures. My buddy has a security cam video of his priming system going boom. A full tube cascaded. He still have tinnitus. Good thing he was wearing his Safety Glasses.
so to me the xl650 is a cross between a 550b and a xl650. as for the refinements they added with indexing ive added a roller assembly and works a treat, my late model 650 has the upgraded frame like your 750 also has the grease points on the bolt ends like your 750. great vid , answered my questions . will stay with my bullet proof xl650. love it.
Yes Gavin, the zerk fittings were added to the late production 650's. The upgrade is available from Dillon if you go to the 650 parts area. It sells as an upgrade kit as I recall for around $50.00.
Yes basically it looks that they tried to come up with a new priming system for the 650 and scrapped it and went back to the same priming system that's always been on the 550 since the early 80s
Finally someone takes the time to explain the difference between the 2. I have the 650 and like it. Happy to see the carried over a lot of the same parts.
Just inherited one of these and found 20,000 primers and shell casings and bullets my dad had after he passed away 😞 so I must say I'm now emotionally attached to this dillion 1050. Thanks for the awesome video 😊
Yes the chain reaction of a detonated primer is rare, well it happened to me and blew up 97 primers. the tube did its job and sent the force up and not out. it was the Dillion 650.
Years ago I had a 650 but the primer system often got hung up if a primer didn't drop properly in the "telephone dial" ring. I traded it in for a 550 and love its primer system. I think Dillon got enough feedback so they finally changed to the better proven system.
Speaking to how rare primer detonation is, I have a few cases my brothers loaded (while we lived together) from a 550 when they forgot to switch the primer bar back to a small after I loaded my large primer calibers, we had loads that flipped the primer up sideways and crammed in but never had a detonation
Good explanation Gavin! I have been a Dillon fan from the beginning. I had a Dillon 300, 450, 1000, 1050 and currently I still have 3 550s. I don't like swapping calibers either! 😁
I live about an hour away from Dillon in Scottsdale. I visit the store a lot more than I should. I checked out the new XL750 when it first came out, it is a nice unit, buy not enough of a difference to justify selling one of my XL650s to purchase a new XL750.
I'm glad to see that someone else leaves the powder measure hopper full and gets the discoloration on the plastic too.... I'm too lazy to dump it every time.
I have 2 Dillon RL1000's and they are great. Just cannot get any parts for them anymore. I have never had any issues with either one, They are setup for 223 & 308. I have 3 RL650's and they are setup for pistol rounds. The only issue with these are the primer jams which makes you have to take it apart to get to the plate so you can get the prime out. Cannot see changing to the 750. I also have 4 RCBS 4x4's and these are rock solid and will last forever. The only issue with these are changing dies and this takes time.
I have a Dillon RL-550B, Dillon RL-550C, Dillon XL-750, RCBS Rock Chucker, Redding T7 Turret, Lee #90045, MEC 9000GN Grabber 12 gauge, MEC 600 Jr 12 gauge.......I wouldn't give up, trade or sell ANY of them because they all have a purpose in the overall grand scheme of things.
I've had my 650 since '96 (still have the VHS instruction video), loaded hundreds of thousands of rounds on it... the only time I've ever had to reach into the spare parts bag was because of a spring that I lost, and Dillon still sent me a free one even though the loss was my fault. My opinion on the 750 is that they changed a couple things just to say they did something "innovative"... not a fan of the 550 style priming system, never had a single issue with rotary feed on the 650, never a single detonation.
I really like the 650 priming system more than the "550" priming system. The 550 priming system slide gets dirty and needs more attention than the 650 priming system. When the slide gets dirty, the bar stops picking up primers and if you are not paying attention you have an unprimed case hitting the hopper. Bonus for the 550 system, is at times it will not feed a primer that is upside down but not always.
For years part of the reason to choose a 650 over a 550 was the priming system being better. Now it's considered the other way.... oh well. I have a 550B & am happy with it enough that switching to anything else doesn't make sense.
Hi all, I spent 11 years in the Military Police but I am completely new to loading/reloading ammo. Any advice? I am looking at getting either the 650 or 750. Would like to see if I would be able to sell the ammunition I make as a side business. Any thoughts?
I have the same 650 and purchased upgrade kits for it. One of my friend detonated one primer and chain effect the whole telephone disc, but after all he needs replace is the primer tube.
I have 2 650s and was thinking about selling and upgrading. After watching your video, I see zero reason to up grade. Both of mine are running at 100 % with zero issues after years of service and 10s of thousands on one press. The other 650 is much older and has loaded over 100,000 between myself and other owner. The only reason I have not gone to the 1050 is because of the warranty. Thanks for the comparison.
I got a 650 and my dad got a 650. Neither worked. Their support was shipping me parts, have me buying tools, etc. I ended up moving to Arizona. I drove my press over to them to show them it didn't work. They kept it for 2 months, called me to come pick it up. They admitted it didn't work. That's it. Just have $2,000 into this setup that doesn't work. It can't prime small primers so no 223, the reason I bought the press. Further, the dump chute on the 650 prevents the lifter from coming down. That was my first issue. I told them they need to harden that part or change the stamping. They sent me a new one and my dad, but all 4 chutes had the same issue. I told them there's something wrong there. When I went to their store, they have a showroom with display units. So I checked the chute. Same problem. So I mentioned the chute problem and they said it isn't a problem, they've never heard of it being a problem. Everybody online said it wasn't a problem. Everybody said I was crazy. I said, "Then you've never actually used your 650." Anyway, when Dillon said they'd never had a complaint, I said oh weird, because your display unit doesn't work because of the chute. We walked 15 feet over to it. I ran the arm down so the platform raised. As it went up, the chute was scraping it, and flipped under it when the platform went past. I was unable to bring the arm back up due to the chute being in the way. The old lady tech was flabbergasted. Somehow nobody has ever tried to use a 650 to notice it. So I showed them that I added a slight bend to my chute in one dimension so it couldn't bend over under the platform. Like thousands of people swearing by stuff they've never used. I learned to reload on a dillon 550, and used one a lot. I figured the 650 wouldn't suck, but I now have both mine and my dad's and they've been collecting dust for a decade. What an embarassment.
I really appreciate these videos. Very professional and informational. Thank you. I have been trying to decide whether to get a 550C, or a "loaded"(bullet feeder, etc.) used 650 in excellent condition for a very nice price. This helped.
I just had a primer mag failure on my XL650 and it was my error but over 100 primers went off. Yes it does follow around the primer rotary disc and up the primer magazine. $25.00 in parts and back in operation. Lesson learned!
Ugh where do i start. I had a Lee single stage turret press, like it. Then had a loadmaster, priming issues even detonated primers, squib loads, broken plastic parts... garbage. Moved onto a 650xl and never looked back!
I love my 650 and it does have the zirc fittings, the only new feature that I’l like to have is the priming system, specifically how it will no prime unless there is a case in the position and will not feed another primer. Yeh no more primers on the floor, or what ever add on you’ve go to catch them. Makes it much easier to start a run instead of manually cycling the priming system 6 times on the 650 before you prime the first case. Also changing from Large to small primers is a dream compared to the 650.
I was just about to post this. Ha. I’ve loaded about 100,000 rounds on my 650. 9mm, 45, 223, 6.5 creedmoor, 308. It’s been great but dropping primers because I didn’t use it due to a small error is annoying. I ended up taping walls on the primer chute aka ski jump. Haha
Will the Dillion 750 reload large calibers like .338 Lapua. I know absolutely nothing about reloaders, but after paying 4 dollars a round for cheap ammo at Cabelas, I figure I better learn how to reload. I bought a Ruger Precision rifle chambered in .338 Lapua magnum last year and it's like supporting a teenager. I'm checking into claiming little Ruger on my taxes for 2019👍 haha
U make some valid points about the 2 presses 650 and 750 I have just delivered a new xl750 i have 2 xl650s I'm taking my time installing etc I previously owned 3 RL1050 press I like priming system 750
I have had my 650 since 9-1995-1996 ish. It is a worthy investment. And if you ever quit reloading it seams like most sell for about 10% less then MSRP.
After watching this, I can affirm, Dillon is definitely a better designed press than a Hornady LNL. IDK what the issue with my LNL is but it can't seem to stay in sync. Its either the shell plate won't fully rotate or the primer mechanism doesn't work properly. Definitely going to be getting a Dillon
that linear primer feed sounds like it'd solve my problems with debris and poor timing between the "phone dial thingy" and the primer seating pin. I get at least 2 or 3 mangled primers per sleeve.
You are truly The Man, excellent walkthrough as always. With all your knowledge I was kind of hoping for a quality verdict, is it worth it to go for a 750? You know, enlighten us followers 😊
I just got a new xl750 after years of no press period. The 550 and 750 were set up at the store as a static display. In my mind, the bulk mass of the 750 was what made the sale. I saw it as several times heavier and more solid. I know the 550 has decades of experience and is a good machine, but it looks very lightweight compared to the 750.
The RL-550B/C isn't a "lightweight" machine. I've loaded over 150,000+ rounds on my 20+ year oldest one with very little wear and tear concerning parts breakage. What did wear out or broke was quickly replaced for free by Dillon under the lifetime warranty. I wore a primer slide bar bearing track completely out. I wore all the way through the black non stick finish into bare steel so it would hang up instead of sliding easily. I also wore out a powder measure operating rod and tension spring. I think I broke a tool head retaining pin once when I slipped with a wrench while tightening down a die lock ring. Other than that that press has cranked out some serious ammo in the over 20 years I have owned it.
John Doe 5 minutes ago I have a Dillon RL-550B, Dillon RL-550C, Dillon XL-750, RCBS Rock Chucker, Redding T7 Turret, Lee #90045, MEC 9000GN Grabber 12 gauge, MEC 600 Jr 12 gauge.......I wouldn't give up, trade or sell ANY of them because they all have a purpose in the overall grand scheme of things.
You missed the second spring stop, improved camming, new spring loaded finger and quite a bit more. I'm not sure you really bothered to note the differences to be honest. I must say I missed the increased strength in the frame in my video comparison.
My 650 has the grease fittings and to damn bad they figured out that the 550 priming system was best. After I bought a extra priming system for my 650 at 100$ and it’s way easier. But I still love both my Dillon’s. Wouldn’t never use anything different. Been loading for 25 yrs on my 550 and about 4 yrs on my 650.
@@DimaProk Other way around... Dillon has been using that priming system for a very long time on other machines, and you may note that Hornady didn't expand their line of progressives beyond the 1960s era 366 press until after the Dillon patents started to expire. Some other manufacturers didn't wait, found themselves in court, and ended up paying royalties to Dillon. Mike Dillon not only made money off his own press sales, but also off the sales of some of his competitors. 8^)
I've loaded more or less 1.5 million rounds with 650... multiple primer explosion on a 650 it's total BS.. I've never had a single one in mine... and I've loaded a huge ton of federal primers...
Here is the MAIN ISSUE with the 650XL.... The priming system …. It can jam up due to dirt from primers. or GOd forgive you, by mistake have moisture left in the used primers (wet cleaning system, no issue with the corn cob types/ dry case cleaners)
Well they fixed the primer tools from blowing up. Yes this can happen on the 650. Force a primer that is misaligned and you can have a chance in igniting the whole primer tube. This has happened to me. Luckily the primer tube is reinforced and shot the inner primer tube into the ceiling.
We are wanting to purchase one of these for our company. But we're not looking to spend $2,800 if we can't purchase the primers too... Sell us some primers, and we'll make the purchase
I had a 650 in the mid 1990's. At that time the platform under the shellplate was less than 1/2 inch thick. I bent it. That is why later 650's have a platform that is over 3/4 inch thick. Every time I see the Dillon in action, I can't help thinking how flimsy the RCBS Rock Chuck 5/7s and Hornady Progressives look.
And on the 650, the primers that don’t get seated into a case go down a little chute where you retrieve them, that’s if they don’t slide off and fall on the floor. It’s small and doesn’t hold but many. I put a piece of tape around the chute so they don’t end up on the floor. Also, you can remove the primer cam on the frame that’s held on with 1 Allen head bolt to stop the dial and primers feeding. Only takes a second and easy to do.
looks to me like if someone was so inclined they could self upgrade a 650 to a 750 if you change the platform over. what is your thoughts on this? mind you the frame would still be the smaller of the two but everything else might be swappable...
The XL-650 priming system works very well, but there are two things that I feel are improved on the XL-750: 1. it's a true on-demand priming system 2. it maintains a safe separation between priming area and primer stack.
This would be an important improvement. There were tweaks and aftermarket parts required to prevent the 650 from powder spillage, and it also played a role in performance when automation speed is considered. It would be great to hear from early adopters with experience on both machines?!?
I have no experience with the 650, I have 400 9mm rounds through my 750 and there is no splash. I visited Dillon in November and the tech in the showroom said the powder splash was addressed and fixed with the relocation of the ball and the roller bearing addition.
I just started using at 650XL and the second time i used it i had a primer detonation all the way around the dial and up the tube... scared the shit out of me and launched the low primer alarm rod and a handful of primers out the top and into the sheetrock.
im not sure if your new(er) to reloading but it is a rare thing to happen and its avoidable. slow down for the priming stroke. if your stroke is not butter smooth dont force it. you might have a primer crimp you need to remove or the old primer is still in the case. dillon also recomends not using federal primers as it seams they are more sensitive but i use what i can get my hands on.
Jason Woody Not new to reloading just new to progressives... I horse traded for the 650 12 years ago and am just now getting it setup lol! It came with a VHS instructional video but I can’t watch it! I called the friend that I got it from and he helped me get it lined back out. Danger and good times.
I also had a primer go off in my XL650. And like Juan, it daisy chained around the dial and up the tube. It's not a rare occurance. I have been reloading for 35 years and this is not my first progressive press. Sorry I can't add pictures to this posting. You would enjoy them.
How high is the top of the 750 above the bench (to the top of the case feeder) with your inline fabrication mount? Specs say 38.5” for the press with the case feeder, plus 10” for the mount. So, 48.5”? I ordered my press and I am ordering the in-line fab mount, but I am building a bench and don’t have the press or the mount for measurements. I have a low ceiling in my basement so I need not build to high. Great channel btw, very helpful.
I know this is an older video, but I'm hoping you still see comments on this. I'm trying to plan out my next workbench with the goal to have a 750 attached to it in the future with the UltraMount system as you have it. How far is the handle (where you grab it) from the ground when it's at its lowest position. Also how high is your work bench top from the ground? Knowing those two numbers I can figure out the bench height I would like to have.
Many thx for this video .. direct and to the point .. I've had my 650 for 20+ years, 100% satisfied with the press and Dillon. No plans to change, but I do like the 750 "improvements" .. cheers john
