Mariah Carey is the definition of an icon/legend. Singer, songwriter, producer, actress, philanthropist, best selling author, etc. She should be a no-brainer
I have nothing but Respect for Dione, She would know, but Mariah is almost up their with her neice Whitney. Mariah is one, did Mariah make her mad lol.
@@pamelaakachicago1408 Yeah. Mariah kinda made her mad. Back in 1990, Walter Afanasieff said of Whitney vs Mariah: "Mariah is a songwriter and producer. Whitney neither writes nor produces. I remember Whitney would come into the studio, memorize whatever was told to her, sing and leave without listening to the final track. Mariah is an artist in the creative sense, and Whitney simply isn't." Dionne replied not by attacking Walter, but she instead attacked Mariah herself-who had never uttered one bitter word against Whitney ever. She said, "If Whitney would have sneezed on her debut album, Mariah would do that too." I have always received hate from Whitney stans for openly supporting Mariah when they disrespect her. Sad because the woman herself didn't disrespect Mariah. But her fans and relatives have always been the worst people...I hate them. They were the ones who ultimately took Whitney's life away as well. Truly evil wretched creatures.
She’s saying an icon is someone who is timeless. She mentioned Ella and Sarah Vaughn - people who started way before even Dionne and are still known today. To her, an icon is someone who will still be known 80yrs from now. I do, however, think MARIAH is one of those people.
Out of all those ladies, Mariah is the oldest and has been on the industry the longest and is the most relevant out of the lot, the fact that they have all mentioned Mariah as an influence as well. The women literally owns the Christmas, she had a 25 year old song go #1 all those years after, she holds the record because of that. People have no idea how hard it is for the older artists nowdays to even chart on the hot 100 because of streaming.
I’ll have to agree with you. Numbers and nostalgia don’t equate to iconic status. It’s being able to endure the test of time and your contribution to your generation and those that follow. Mariah fits the bill, but just barely.
The fact that Mariah's legend status is being questioned in the first place is ridiculous. She has the awards, records, sales, hits, and impact to back that up. She also wrote/co-wrote almost all of her own catalogue despite being one of the best vocalists of all time, something that doesn't come together quite too often, or at least in that level of mastery. She IS a living legend.
@MansaMusa stop playing yourself....the vocal trinity consisted of Whitney Houston, MARIAH CAREY, and Celine Dionne. Not to mention she out sold all the other ladies you mentioned...
@@ReluctantGarbageCollector Celine Dion is a vocal powerhouse but her style seems too different to group with Mariah/Whitney. The closest to Mariah/Whitney would be Christina Aguilera but her 'pop music' image often distracts from the voice.
And...if Mariah isn't an icon then no person outside of MJ, Prince, Beatles can be considered an icon based on actual talent, longevity, hitmaking and influence.
Total of weeks Mariah has spent in the hot 100 throughout her career. 01 - 22 weeks - Vision of Love 02 - 26 weeks - Love Takes Times 03 - 19 weeks - Someday 04 - 19 weeks - I Don't Wanna Cry 05 - 20 weeks - Emotions 06 - 20 weeks - Can't Let Go 07 - 20 weeks - Make It Happen 08 - 20 weeks - I'll Be There 09 - 29 weeks - Dreamlover 10 - 30 weeks - Hero 11 - 23 weeks - Without You 12 - 21 weeks - Anytime you Need a Friend 13 - 20 weeks - Endless Love 14 - 25 weeks - Fantasy 15 - 27 weeks - One Sweet Day 16 - 32 weeks - Always be my Baby 17 - 20 weeks - Honey 18 - 20 weeks - My All 19 - 17 weeks - When you Believe 20 - 20 weeks - I Still Believe 21 - 20 weeks - Heartbreaker 22 - 20 weeks - Thank God I Found You 23 - 07 weeks - Crybby 24 - 44 weeks - All I want for Christmas is You 25 - 14 weeks - Loverboy 26 - 03 weeks - Never Too Far / Her 27 - 09 weeks - Through The Rain 28 - 24 weeks - I Know what you Want 29 - 13 weeks - U Make Me Wanna 30 - 20 weeks - It's Like That 31 - 43 weeks - We Belong Together 32 - 26 weeks - Shake It Off 33 - 21 weeks - Don't Forget Abous Us 34 - 05 weeks - Say Somthin' 35 - 20 weeks - Touch my Body 36 - 12 weeks - Bye Bye 37 - 01 week - Migrate 38 - 08 weeks - I'll Be Lovin You Long Time 39 - 04 weeks - Just Stand Up 40 - 04 weeks - My Love 41 - 21 weeks - Obsessed 42 - 06 weeks - I want to know what Love Is 43 - 01 week - Up Out My Face 44 - 01 week - Oh Santa 45 - 01 week - All I want for Christmas Is You (ft. JB) 46 - 16 weeks - #Beautiful 47 - 01 week - You're Mine 48 - 01 week - Infinity 49 - 01 week - I Don't 50 - 01 week - Oh Santa Remix = 818 weeks = 15,5 years Years in which she did not appear on the Hot 100: 2007 That's massive and she's spent 10.4% of that time at number 1. from 1990 to 2021 that's 32 charting years... and in those charting years, she only missed one year. this is unprecedented. Every other music act having a 25+ years career has missed at least 5 years for entry in the Hot 100 ! Madonna has missed 10 years ( 2007, 2010, 2011,2013, 2014, 2017,2018, 2019, 2020, 2021 ). Whitney has missed most of the 2000's years and of the 2010's years , as well as 1994. Celine has missed 1995, 2001, 2004,2005, 2006 ,2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 ,2013 ,2014, 2015, 2016, 2017, 2018, 2019, 2020, 2021. 19 charting years ! Lol
@@mikellclark635 Y'all need to fix comprehension issues first. I also wrote the actual points "based on" which icons are defined for most. If you wanna define a new "icon", ain't nobody stopping you. Push your own narrative
@@philipcohen267 man shut up. At the end of the day people are gonna have their own legends and icons in their mind and how they see things. Go somewhere already
Damn. Miss Dionne is pulling a Mariah on Mariah herself lol. "I don't know her very well."...Mariah Carey is an Icon Miss Dionne. Miss Patti LaBelle would have given Mariah her props.
The fact that Patti LaBelle is her godmother. Mariah has been on stage with prince, Aretha Franklin, patti labelle, Whitney houston, Micheal jackson, Celine, oliver newton john, Diana ross, luther vandross and more. That's some iconic shit there
@@codywalsh2075 The sad thing is Dionne Warwick always show love to Mariah on Twitter but now she doesn't know her that well? Makes me realize Dionne doesn't always type those tweets herself. She has someone else doing it.
@Powerful Oprah okay and? I don't care if she's white, she's still an icon and a legend, an Aussie icon that is, someone that Mariah looks up to and respects vice versa. you americans 🤡
@Powerful Oprah It's not a conspiracy theory, it's called a personal assistant. Many artists have them. Meanwhile, most recording artists don't run their own social media, it's set up by their record labels as a part of public relations. It's common place. It's called business.
Mariah Carey is the definition of a legend, an icon. One of the greatest discographies, an all-time great voice, Songwriters Hall of Fame, and one of the best-selling artists ever on top of it. Dionne being out of pocket.
As far as I remember, Beyonce said that. Christina, Ariana, Rihanna, Jojo, etc listed Mariah as one of their top musical influences. Only an ICON can do that.
@@jakeyaswilliams I think they mean just in general. Because Mariah is a legend for surely. Toni can’t keep up with Mariah Carey’s versatile music even tho Toni is a beast
Fun fact, Mariah’s Christmas album alone gives her iconic status. However, that’s only 10% of her catalog. She has hits for days that will be remembered and sung forever. Songs like Hero, Always be my baby, we belong together, one sweet day, emotions etc are forever iconic. Dione doesn’t have half the success & influence Mariah has. The only thing she has on Mariah is age.
That's not all she has.. She has the history of being a pioneer so that singers like Mariah could have a place in the music industry and be know and credited for their work..
I think what many fail to acknowledge or even consider... Dionne Warwick is the 1st, the original, Pop Diva. No female did it before her. And before you run the list: Aretha was soul and gospel Diana was not solo (she was a supreme) Patti was with the Bluebelles and then Labelle Barbara was very much Broadway (along with Liza, Judy and such). Janis Joplin was rock The closest to her would be Pasty Cline, Olivia Newton-John. If there is anyone a live who gets the right to do this, it's Dionne Warwick.
@@ii7670 she makes dumb songs that’s are beneath her like the last 2 albums with trash mumble pop. That is beneath one of the best singers in the world.
Shout out to Bey! But Grammys don't mean sh*t. Sooo many LEGENDARY acts have less than 15 Grammys. I mean Mariah is the best selling female vocalist of all time (250+ pure album sales +200+ mil in singles), with a crap ton of records to her name/still breaking records, an incredible discography, songwriters hall of fame, someone that literally changed the face of pop music etc...& She has what? 5 Grammys. They snub people like Mariah, The Weekend, Nas, Nicki and many other people of colour every year. Let's stop putting so much value in the Scammys.
@@mikellclark635 What do you mean, Mariah literally changed music in multiple ways around the world and you don't see her as a legend? You're just a hater that's all
@@bigolebot It's not about how long the artist has been around, but what' they've achieved in that time. Mariah Carey is 52, she's been in the game since 1990. She's had 19 number one hits, she's written 18 of them, she has produced her music and she has touched people all around the globe in a way that Dionne has not. You are very opinonated, yet you have very little to back your statements up with, kid
Lmao Dionne tried it with Mariah. Talking about she’ll give that one a thought. 😂😂😂 She tried Toni too. Toni’s voice in unparalleled. No one sang before her with that type of voice and no one has come after her. The old lady shade.
Dionne's opinion of an "Icon" doesn't matter. It's the people's choice that matters and to me, TONI, MARIAH & MARY Are DEFINITELY icons in the music business for the past 28-30 years 🏆💯
@Powerful Oprah right like...Nicki is an icon but she can’t say the other women aren’t too that makes nooo sense. Nicki, Mariah, Toni, Beyoncé, Mary, and Brandy will go down in history especially Nicki, Mariah and Beyoncé
@@purewater1124 u sound stupid. Being a icon is opinion at the end of the day she doesn't have to consider her a legend If don't want to. I don't think Mariah one either because I was never a big fan
Mariah & Mary J.Blige are definite icons both struggled hard to get where they are at, and after +25 years they still do there thing better than most. Brandy is a Icon as well she Knew what she wanted and worked hard to get it but she wanted other things as well, and pursued them. Tony Braxton is an Icon as well you can’t judge off of whether you like them or know them but what they have gone through, what they overcame, and still try to accomplish. These women are icons they show us things are possible no matter where you come from, they give us strength when we need it, with there words and actions they are incredible woman that made it happen for themselves and I know for a fact that at least 2 of them struggled hard and never gave up and it’s amazing what they have accomplished
@@fzpe856 she’s the best selling female R&B artist of all time and is among the top 3 best selling female artist of all time, I think that person meant to say “one of”
@@fzpe856 Mariah Carey is the best-selling female artist of all time.. she sold the most amount of records in the shortest amount of time. she may not be the “highest selling” but she definitely is the best selling.
@@olivia_ngozika Mariah doing new things now doesn't change the fact that shes an icon lol. And what diva antics? Nodules has affected her greatly and using playback and lipping helps rest her voice. And she doesn't rely on autotune, she can still sing.
Mariah Carey is more than an icon, she's a LEGEND So many artist are inspired by her even to this day and so many artists would love to have the same success she had. Mariah is not just a singer but a songwriter and producer, a multi talented artist only very few in this music industry can relate. Mariah doesn't have to prove anything to nobody! She's already solidified her mark in the industry her legacy/work will live on forever!👏
@@arturomarin3601 u can say it all u want. She not to me and guess not to Dionne either. U worshipping another human being and u calling someone else delusional 😂
@@mikellclark635 Worshipping??? It's just giving credit where credit is due lol I mean she writes at her stuff most solo #1s in history, best selling female artist in soundscan era, 6#1 albums and her unmatched vocals I really don't see how you can't say she's a legend
I’m confused... what???? Mariah Carey, Toni Braxton and Brandy are ICONS!! Look at their accomplishments.. they will be remembered generations from now.. their music is timeless and accomplishments will stand the test of time.
Dionne doesn't know who Mariah is? Well, she did a song together with Whitney, continued a friendship with Whitney, attended Oprah's legends ball (where Dionne was present as well) and also attended Whitney's funeral and gave her a tribute speech at the BET awards. Among all of her peers, Mariah most def. got along the best with Whitney (and Janet Jackson). Why Mariah Carey is a Legend: - 3rd best selling female albums artist of all times (150 million units sold). - Most #1's in US music history by solo artists (19) - Congessional Medal for her philantropic work (1996) - Recording Academy Award of Honor (2005) - Songwriter's Hall of Fame inductee (2020) - Biggest selling holiday song of all times by a female artist - the 2nd most streamed pre-streaming act (2021) - had her own exhibition (2018) - Screen Actors Guild winner for acting - Golden Globe nominee for composition - Ivor Novello lifetime achievement award - Blue diamond award - highest certified female albums act in the USA (tied with Streisand) - Biggest selling non-asian overall music act in Asia - Is listed on the RS list of 500 best albums of all times - latest studio album (2018, Caution) with a critics score of 82 (the highest of any legacy act) - had a US #1 single in every decade beginning with 1990s, 2000s, 2010s and 2020s (first act to achieve this) - had her own Xmas special in 2020 - is the only active artist with an ongoing global xmas tour (2014 -present) - inspired countless of singers, including Beyoncé, Ariana Grande, Kelly Clarkson etc - along Whitney Houston, is regarded as the most impactful pop vocalist of all times.
@@krissy9128 I was only speaking of albums sales... 150 million albums and 100 million singles units = 250 million recordings. (She would still rank 3rd after Madonna and Rihanna, but would surpass Céline).
@@stevyyjay85 not really fair to compare her to rihanna tho , streams didnt exist back then and only physical copies counted. So to be more fair she is second after madonna.
@@stevyyjay85 nah it’s Madonna>=Mariah>Celine>Rihanna. Rihanna has sold about 275 mil ww(with sales per stream). Mariah has sold over 200mil albums and about the same number of singles
Numbers aren’t everything. Taylor Swift pulls in massive numbers too, but I don’t think people (other than her fan base) would class her as an icon and the reason is because she’s just not the performer that people like Michael, Madonna and Whitney were, and neither is or was Mariah. It’s not bias, it’s a point of view of a person who doesn’t look into Wikipedia for numbers to determine someone’s success.
The success that Mariah Carey has is unmatched, she is definitely an Icon... The fact that she is still relevant after 30 years says it all... If Dionne Warwick can't admit that, then she obviously has issues 🤷🏻♂️
@MansaMusa Celine Dion? 😂😂😂 What are the contributions that Celine has made to music? Lmao. It's funny how neither Whitney nor Gladys nor Patti Labelle, and much less Celine Dion were not chosen as the artist of the decade and of the millennium. In turn, in just one decade, Mariah got those two accomplishments. I love Whitney and Patti, though.
@@spanishlessons4075 Whitney was not chosen artist of the decade (80s) only because there was Michael Jackson there while Mariah in the 90s has more albums. BUT WHITNEY LITERALLY PAVED THE WAY FOR MARIAH SO RESPECT. WHITNEY CHANGED THE MUSIC GAME TOO.
@@santangelogaia19 Michael Jackson, Madonna, Whitney, Celine, Janet Jackson, etc. were singing during the 90s. The award ended up in Mariah's hands, anyway. I didn't disrespect Whitney, though.
@@lordcatto2989 Its sad because Dionne was very jealous of Whitney too! If there's a day where Dionne didn't have an issue with nobody in the industry, then man! It isn't new she doesn't gotta problem with Mimi too! Her and Patti Labelle never really got along either! If Patti heard what she just said of Mariah which her God Daughter. Patti will slap the shit out her. Patti said herself that Mariah is the 7 wonders of the world. If Patti says that. The God Mother of Soul. You know she means it!! Another reason why Aretha didn't like Patti as well. Jealousy and too much competition between women in that damn industry!
Idk what dionne is smoking on but Mariah Carey is absolutely a icon ! The most number ones from a female, writes her own songs, persistent for the last 30 years ! Very qualified sweety
I don't know in what barn you were raised but don't disrespect elderly.. And stop being so stupid not everybody knows everyone Dionne just said what she personally thought and remember she has been in the industry for over 60 years and is still going.. She didn't throw shade or said something mean on Mariah's name..
How did Patti get in this coversation...lol You: "No shade, but whales are fat and ugly." Evryone else: "We were talking about how fo tune a guitar." Lmao Yes Patti use to out sing everyone, but this video is not about her.
You can give this a watch, although it's not Ms. Patti with her in the video but this breaks the thinking of majority that Ms. Warwick is just a subtle singer. I love all of the female classic artists. 😄
Natalie Cole definitely hit her for a home run. Few people know that Natalie's hit Now We're Starting Over Again, was actually first sang by Dione Warwick... And Natalie's version has classic hit written all over it... Dione's version was good, but a little bland in comparison - and both were written and produced by same producer, just shows how great Natalie was. And no shade to Dione Warwick, cause in her own right she definitely and Icon, and I totally love many of the songs she sang on and was part of, but she is attracting this type of backlash by downplaying other icons that came after them. The fact that these people are household names in all corners of the world, and in a great soul enriching way makes them all icons, that will always be part of the history books, centuries from now.
She was still active when Mariah debuted in 1990 and had to have heard of her from her industry connections beforehand. Didn't Mariah do background vocals for a relative of hers before getting her deal? A nephew or cousin, perhaps.
@@cameronburgess4955 No, she's done background for other artists. Her main was for Brenda. Will Smith tried to get her signed to the label he was on. Warner bros. also offered her a contract and wanted one of her songs for a movie. Mottola had to get into a bidding war with them for Mariah's contract.
I feel dionne didn't want to say much about mariah only because back in the day mariah was a heavy weight along with her cousin whitney mariah kinda stole the show from that point on
Are you dumb, stupid, or dumb? Mariah never stole Whitney's shine. When Mariah released her debut album in 1990, Whitney was still untouchable. At that point in her career, Whitney was about to do the untouchable Star-Spangled Banner, I'm Your Baby Tonight Cd, and the monster Bodyguard cd. Whitney swept every major accolade during this period.
Fun fact this is why Aretha loved Mariah and held her in such esteem because she came out and gave nippy a run for her money as Whiteny did Aretha in the late 80's. She loved watching her squirm with the new girl on the block.
Excuse me.... but Toni Braxton is a legendary icon. Not tea no shade but she just jealous cause the internet draggggged her granddaughter Cheyenne Elliott from "The Four season 1"
@@mrjay918 What does that have to do with Icon status? I don't know her personally either. Yet, someone who's created a vocal style an entire generation has imitated, creating a new sub genre that has become the new staple for pop music, an entire holiday has become synonymous with her name, and created so many hits on her own that she's entered the history books would check the ICON box for me.
@@xejelah Well as u said, for u. Obviously not for Ms. Warwick. I personally think all of the ladies that he mentioned are Icons but that’s just my opinion and u know what they say about opinions. 🤷🏽♀️
Why she gotta shade Mariah...? If we being honest Mariah Carey is arguably the most iconic artist ever when it comes to music. She has sold more albums than everyone mentioned in this video COMBINED. She could've retired after Music Box and still been a legend. Since her debut, she has influenced nearly every popular singer's way of singing. I was born in 98 and even I know how big of a deal she was and still will be after we are all gone.
That’s because she is white and privileged. Mariah didn’t sell albums based on her talent. She lip sync her whole career. She’s the female version of milli vanilli.
@@maryjesusbligestan1164 LOL you sound like a fool, Mariah's MTV unplugged performance would put any singer to shame Mariah is black and is the reason you get to enjoy Mary J Blige so much. Don't believe me? Listen to what Mary J has to say 🤗😂ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-JI7phGK-i30.html Oh, and don't delete comments. Y'all hate Mariah so much even though she's the reason you listen to your favorite artists 🤦🏾♂️
@@maryjesusbligestan1164 Tf u talking about “her career peeked in 2006”. Bitch lie TF again. She literally ran the entire 90’s decade UNOPPOSED having a number one for each year in it. By the time the 90’s was over Mariah had already sold over 100 million records and had 14 #1’s. Way more than what your fav in your profile pic had accomplished ( love her though but real shit). Mariah was crowned the 90s artist of the decade & female artist of the millennium for a reason u better recognized.
@@maryjesusbligestan1164 And get your facts straight before spouting any kind of lie. She has always been MIXED and acknowledged it early on, and she was literally compared to Whitney vocally back then so wtf u talking about her not selling her albums based on talent? Back then she didn’t resort to lip sync cause she had to prove herself as a vocalist, yes her voice deteriorated over time as a result of singing some of the hardest songs, but so what? she’s human & she proved herself. And another thing the whole world checks for Mariah come Christmas, no other artist like your fav from the 90s or prior can say the same. They all become forever irrelevant, while Mariah keep going #1 each year. So YOU can go sit TF down and go get your facts straight like I said. 🤦🏾
I'm so sorry but I don't agree about Mariah Carey comment. Mariah Carey is so big and nobody can't deny her. She sets the standard for singers. Even with the changes in her voice I think she is the best signer of all time with a successful career as well. I'm so sorry ma'am don't mean to be rude but a lot of people around the worl don't know who you are. Don't come for me guys lol
If Mariah isnt an icon than no one who came out after her damn sure isn’t. Only person I would say is Beyonce because of impact outside of the music industry. They are all icons, they’ve all achieved so much, impacted the industry in some way with their craft and have inspired so many artists that have come after them especially Mariah, including Mary, Brandy and Beyonce.
Not even beyonce.. if we are gonna be objective beyonce didn’t have many impact on the new gen like mariah till this day has. Like seriously beyonce is overrated and that’s my opinion. She says she writes but I still have my doubts and besides she didn’t have many number 1 throughout the years. Her vocals are good tho
@Palmier Solide girl Brandy was a huge influence on pop culture. She’s literally called the vocal Bible for a reason. Numerous of celebrities referred her as an influence. So your opinion is invalid
Coming first dont make you an ICON. Maraih was singing same ole R&B everyone else was singing. Mary and Puff invented the music we fucking listen to today and even Mariah had to jump on the bandwagon.
If you google "Most Iconic Singers" or "Best Singers of All Time", the only female artists you will see on the front page are Whitney, Mariah and Aretha. Dionne and some older artists are just jealous of Mariah because she has had a very successful career. Auntie Dionne, we all know Mariah could sing you under the table especially in her prime days. Sit down granny.
FyI, There are many artist who found Ms. Dionne as an inspiration. Just to name a few Phillip Bailey , lead sing of the Stylistics, Luther, Whitney, Anita Baker and a whole lot of white artist too who tried very hard to mimic her style but failed and so many more artist. Ms. Dionne is def an icon. However, for me so is Mariah.
"I DON'T KNOW HER THAT WELL" Strikes again. I couldn't help but chuckle at that. I have a lot of respect for Dionne but I do believe that her view has always been biased towards artists of her time and understandably so. The reality is that if you threw those icons (she reveres) names out there today, most young people actually wouldn't know who they are.
but she does know Mariah... through her songs. she even knew mariah wrote Hero. I guess she is just jealous that Mariah's career went to great heights that her career just could not reach.
@Powerful Oprah you're right, Dionne opened the doors along with all of the other big names of that time. But, as far as objective stats and success, accolades, etc, Mariah is at the same level of master class acts. Because Dionne doesn't see her that way means nada. I believe that Mariahs influence alone on the singer's that came after her is enough by itself to make her iconic. Most of the big pop acts post millennium site mariah as their favorite and the reason they started. Christina, brittany, pink, kelly clarkson, beyonce, Rihanna, j. Bieber, grande, Etc.
No..it ain't the serve Auntie thought it was. Thieves like Jennifer Lopez should be called that, not LEGENDS like Mariah Carey. That's like saying Dionne doesn't know MJ.
mariah became an ICON even before she turned 30. broke so many records, and set records of her own in so little time. her voice is regarded as one of the finest in the industry. she is a bigger icon than this lady's gargantuan nostrils.
@@marktanute5959 You act as if she said/ did something gravely criminal . Yes, I also disagree with Ms Warwick’s statement but I don’t resort to name calling/ bullying. The last part of your comment was just uncalled for.
@@arlenecerf8833 What I felt is what matters to me. You will not police me into thinking or acting or feeling otherwise. I said what I said because I felt like someone has to say it out loud without trying to please anyone. If you are offended, that would make me happier.
Mariah is a household name since the 90s and her achievements are second to non! is she kidding? Mariah inspired a generation of artists that came after her during the late 90s, 2000s, and 2010s. and continues to do so. The nerve
Ouch... Mariah is the second biggest selling female artist ever AND that puts her in the top 10 selling artists in history... There were a lot of people in “Whitney camp” (NO shade to Whitney) but people like Clive have played down Mariah’s status... I think to them because Whitney came first, the likes of Mariah & Celine are followers. However to most of us born in the late 80’s and beyond, Mariahs icon status is cemented...regardless of who paved what path for who etc. But I am genuinely unsurprised at Dionnes response you know.
I think Mariah wouldn't even respond to this, as she is a classy lady who respects those who have come before her. I wish she was more appreciated though. We have her NOW, let's pay tribute and props to her contributions.
" Sorry, but when you sing songs that *the great Mariah Carey sings, you run the hugest risk of being compared to icons. And right now, there's no one hotter than Mariah Carey and we're constantly reminded of how brilliant her voice is* . It's a big, big, huge risk to take on a song like that." Paula Abdul, to American Idol 5 finalist Heather Cox
She lost me at Brandy just having the potential to be an icon and her being a double threat.. Brandy is a quadruple threat and she reached icon status in the 90’s. #Undebatable
Brandy is still a baby! She’s letting us know it’s more than success. Yes Brandy has influence over a few generations but is she yet a Diana Ross or a Dionne Warwick where she is literally in her own lane? Not yet.
@@Jouetsenjeu Brandy been in her own lane for at least 10 years now. She literally contributed to what the sound of R&B is today... She been an icon, I said what I said. #UNDEBATABLE
@@str8factz101 what has Brandy done in the last 10 years progressively musically? She made some nice music but not as iconic as when she was in her teens and 20s. She ruled the 90s. Yes her influence in undeniable as I said. But she flopped a lot.
@@Jouetsenjeu It’s not even about that last 10 years, since she’s been out Brandy has accomplished A LOT!! Multiple successful tv productions, multiple movie roles (main cast), a Barbie doll, face of Covergirl, Disney’s first black Cinderella, successful Broadway shows... And that’s outside of her music career. Brandy is most certainly an icon. Now in terms of MUSIC PROGRESSION?!? She dropped Full Moon 🤷🏿♂️. How could you even ask that question? Do your research first next time. 😒 I’m mad at my self for sitting here debating when I clearly and accurately stated this was undebatable 😤
Lol...well I like those 3 lil songs in the karaoke cause I can sing them well. But Mariah is on a different level no ones touching her. So yeah, agreed let's give Ms Warwick a pass.
Ms. Warwick has over 50 hits that hit billboard top 100 the reason why she not appreciated because her music was most for white audiences. However Mariah is a legend noone seeing Mariah.
girl nobody knows her where im from... Mariah is known internationally, like whitney aretha and those girls... if I didnt speak 3 languages and had access to the american bs nobody here in morocco, or spain where I grew up, sings or hums a damn dionne warwick tune... yall gasing this old lady up for no reason got her looking all sorts of crazy...
@@moe3691that lady you referring to is the first black female pop star. And her impact is very much relevant people sample her music all the time believe it or not 9 times out of 10 you heard a dionne song
She seems to think it involves people who primarily didn't 'make it' and their names were remembered for generations to come. Mariah's still 'out' now and we don't know if the next generation is going to know her. Many now only know her because of Ariana. Mariah really doesn't get out into the public spotlight as much and people today have a habit of associating publicity with relevancy.
The toni braxton part was hilarious cos she is one of best female r&b icon out there that she still perform like she did on her prime. No shades but yeaaa
Ask random people between 20-60 years old and ask them about Mariah Carey and Dionne Warwick and let's see who is the real icon/legend based on Warwick's definition of the term. 🙄
@@thedivasofsupreme6190 Awards are somewhat part of an icon but not a necessity. Ms. Dionne has many awards and the first for many accolades and stood the test of time that is what makes her legendary and an Icon. Although, Mariah Carey is one as well for me🙂
I agree with the fact that the titles 'legend' & 'icon' are too loosely used when describing the current mediocre pool of artists HOWEVER, everyone he named deserves that title. EVERYONE!
Dionne is still in the solid gold era capsule......How is she going to say I don't know if Mariah is an Icon?>...are you kidding me>??? It might have something to do that we lost Whitney so soon who happens to be her cousin, and was constantly being compared to Mariah. Of the 4 artists mentioned Mariah is the only one known worldwide, that in itself makes you an icon period.
Mariah Carey is an icon, she established a new style of singing. Nobody could replicate her style. She & Whitney each inspired a whole new generation of singers. Mariah & Whitney are THE vocal bible.
Of course, she'll be mad at Mariah for the multiple ways in which Mariah surpassed her cousin. She has also shown that madness at Mariah way back in 1990. Coz no person in the music industry can even part the lips to say that Mariah isn't THE female legend of the industry- give me another female artist who can simultaneously be called "The Voice" and "The Pen". At least she got the songwriting part right, I'll give her that.
😂😂😂 Ha, should of know a hater like you would be. Yet, Mariah doesn’t even have the best selling single or album by a female like Dionnes cousin. Mariah is not the female legend in the industry. I said it and? Mariah isn’t called the voice or the pen. But Dionnes cousin is The Voice that even Mariah said influenced and inspired her. And let’s not forget Dionne’s cousin inspired all of these ladies. 😂😂😂
@@The_Truth- Mariah is more talented than Whitney point blank. She vocally and artistically out classes Whitney. Well vocally she Is more on par with Whitney but artistically Mariah is a music industry G.O.A.T. She is apart of the songwriters hall of fame, which Whitney will never be in history. Unlike Whitney, Mariah had the artistic integrity to perform her own produced material. She was no industry plant depending on covers to shine unlike Whitney's biggest hits💀💀. Why be called The Voice when u can be called the Songbird Supreme. Also why does Mariah still out sell Whitney even though Whitney holds those records🤣🤣. Maybe because Mariah can actually write 18 number one hits and still sing into her 50s. Stay pressed as the dusty nails in Whitney's disintegrated coffin and Ms Warwick's career.
@@kitpaul3929 How can Mariah outclass Whitney when Whitney eclipsed her live in front of the entire world at the Oscars. Had Mariah’s face shook👀👀👀👀👀. Whitney is way better live singer than her. That’s where it really counts, she didn’t need dub tracks, backup singers, whole choirs at any of her concerts, event performances. Let’s not even start with the dedicated videos of lip syncing Mariah has done. All that material Mariah has put out yet Whitney has the best selling album and single by a female artist😂😂😂. Mariah put out almost double the material, yet Whitney almost outsold her with less. Plus, Mariah said out her own mouth that Whitney influenced and inspired her which both know she did. Whitney laid out the blueprint for singers to follow her footsteps if you want to be a world class singer. Mariah being put in the songwriters hall of fame is nice and good for her. However Whitney is known for her voice not writing and is already in the rock and roll hall of fame. Mariah has been a hit or miss live since her debut, the streets were talking and so were the critics. It’s a good thing Mariah can write her music because being a hit or miss live like that she isn’t even eclipsing the moon🤣🤣🤣🤣. They both were nominated in the same category and Whitney cleaned house. Why would someone want to be a songbird supreme when you are The Voice, there are other songbirds, but there is only one The Voice. Remember they both sung true star spangled banner, one made history, the other no one remembers🤣🤣🤣. That’s GOAT and when 9/11 happened they play Whitney’s version, not Mariahs 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂. Next case.
@@The_Truth- Whitney is not better than Mariah vocally, Mariah best her ..Artistically they are not even comparable..Whitney's vocal technique was limited , she had no technique on whistle, neither on falsetto, her singing range wasnt even near to encompass all the singing technique ranges unlike Mariah lol how come the greatest singer ever could be a complete stranger to whistling ? To low register vocals ? To growling ? A high belter ? Lol the actual greatest singer of all time ( Mariah) is the one who can be in vocal comparisons with any other mainstream singer at every vocal technique, and being the best at most of them or among the bests. Whitney was only a mid belter, she was never a high belter .Her last comfortable notes were Eb5/ E5 even on her prime.This is why you coulnt provide me even one Whitney's performance of I'm Every Woman with live climax, as every performance of the song had pre-recorded vocals instead or dodged with adlibs pretending to change the song artistically lol Whitney couldnt give I'm Your Baby Tonight justice as it was in the recorded studio version live neither .Cause after Eb5/ E5, she was always constricted with lot of tension and unproper technique + lack of resonance.
@@The_Truth- As for the Oscar performance, Belting louder never meant singing better.For that case you will need some knowledge about singing , which your clearly don't have.
Mariah can sing, write, and produce music. She isn't just a singer, she is a complete package 👑 Sad to hear others bringing down a woman who has worked hard to be where she is.
Girl friend is time for you to lay down.. and give it some good thought cause Mariah is what???? Legendary!!! icon for sure one of the greatest voices of all times alongside Whitney she was the 90's generation voice and influenced many with her undoubted talent.
Nobody’s flocking to see either Mariah or Toni as much as I love these two. Dionne has a strong fan base and has toured the planet numerous times. Her songs are classics she has been out since the fifties
@@erolynbarnes6654 Dionne who girl shut up, no one knows who Dionne is, Mariah is the greatest vocalist of all time and best selling female artist of all time
@@Fan-vv8wb Mariah is one of them you still have Whitney Madonna Janet and Celine who are record holders for best selling female artists of all time. In fact Dionne has sold over 100 million records. I blame your age for not knowing the facts.
I think her definition of iconic is different. I honestly think many of her contemporaries would say the same. Keep in mind, she along with Aretha, Diana etc pioneered and created the blue prints
You’re completely right! Aretha was notorious for saying similar things. People have to realize it’s hard for artists who have been around for 50 and 60 years to see an artists with a 15-20 career in the same light as they see their idea of what icons are. Dionne is using Sarah, Ella and the likes the standard so of course Mariah, Brandy and Toni wouldn’t fit that mold.
@Layla Alexander why you’re so butt hurt over this woman’s opinion is beyond me. Whether she acknowledges Mariah or anyone doesn’t negate the fact that Dion is still an icon, so get over it. The fact you’re putting so much stock on her word is a testament to just that. There are far more important things happening in this world to lose sleep over... Mariah’s legacy ain’t one of them.
@John Moses Why wouldn't Mariah Carey fit the mold? She has been in the business 30 years and has accomplished more than most can even dream of. She has influenced a generation of singers just off her first single in 1990 alone. She has No.1 albums. No1 singles. Countless awards. She has broken records. Set records. Popularized the pop/rap collabo that has become a mainstay in music today. Singers also try to duplicate her signature whistle. They try to duplicate her Christmas success. She is a prolific songwriter named to the Songwriters Hall of Fame which few female artists achieve. She's a best selling author. Achieved her 19th No.1 29 years into her career. She had one of the biggest comebacks in music after the disaster that was Glitter. But Mariah Carey doesn't fit the mold? Mariah has made an incredible impact in music. You cant get more iconic than that. I wish people would just do their research. It's not that hard.
WHEN WHITNEY , MARIAH, AND TONI WEARING GOWNS.......... MARY CAME IN THE GAME WITH COMBAT BOOTS AND JERSEY'S \. EVERY ROUND AWAY GIRL WAY WANTED TO BE MARY. THATS WHAT I CALLED A ICON. MARY DIDNT CHANGE FOR NOBODY......MARY CHANGED THE GAME WHEN SHE STEP ON THE SCENE, SHE HAD A GENERATION OF WOMEN WANTED TO BE HER. NO OTHER ARTIST CAN SAY THAT.........EVER!!!!!!!
What???? No. Dionne!!! You are breaking my heart😩😆. I LOVE YOU. You know this. But, MARIAH CAREY IS THE DEFINITION OF AN ICON. Look at what’s she’s accomplished in the music industry. How many doors she’s opened. Records she broke and set. Generations of new females vocalist she inspired. How can she not? I don’t think she meant that guys. 💯🙏🏾🙌🏿.
I find it hard to believe she doesn't know mariah that well when Mariah and her Niece, miss Whitney Elizabeth Houston had a huge song together with "When you Believe" and if that wasn't enough Mariah has timeless gigantic hits. Just "All I want for Christmas" alone, without the rest of her discography, is enough to put Mariah in the pantheon of enduring icons. This was weird from Dionne. Very weird answers.
Very shocking of her saying that. She basically said she wasn’t sure because she doesn’t know her that well. That definitely was not a valid answer in my opinion.
@@thedivasofsupreme6190 I believe she meant to say she doesn't know Mariah personally but that's not even a valid criterion lol. Who cares if you know someone personally or not to decide if they're an icon/legend, especially if that someone is already established with success, impact, and longevity? Anyone on this planet in their right mind would know Mariah is a legend or else you wouldn't hear her 26-year-old christmas song on retail stores again and again lmao
A true icon to me not only has great music/ hits BUT you have a personal story with lessons learned. You have some longevity. I think all four ladies are icons. By 1994 they all had albums/singles on the charts at the same time.
I’ve always felt like the older generation or people in general don’t like to make way for newly established icons like the list isn’t always just going to be Micheal Jackson, Whitney Houston, Prince etc Mariah and Mary are ICONS without doubt their contribution to music was and still is impactful we have to celebrate and acknowledge the talent and history now because it seems like nowadays it’s only when an artist dies we give them their flowers.
