This completely. When someone cheats they lose their right to compete on the score board. Plus it'll be fun to see who the first really win comes from!
Honestly, I like this idea because sometimes I get rating back and look at the game and it’s clearly my fault that I lost. Just got lucky this person cheated.
@@essaysandmore right but cheaters play near perfectly, put the pressure on and capitalize on any mistake we make while making no mistakes themselves. Also keep in mind if they were not cheating you'd likely not have reached the position where you blundered.
Think a refund counter would be a nice middle way. Maybe analyze the game and try to see if you can find something fishy to make some extra content would be cool. No need to apologize Eric, we are blessed having you here. Take your time making videos🙂
I really admire the humility in not calling cheat and snatching at the win streak, but at the very least the result of that game can be considered void
@@randerson5172 IIRC He once played against a very suspicious player, who allegedly argued he was checking his rice cooker during the game, and the name just stuck around with the audience as a substitute for 'cheating'
Part of playing chess is learning to lose gracefully. Your videos are awesome. Even if it was a legit loss, it wouldn’t change my appreciation for the series or enjoyment I get from watching your videos.
I like the idea of leaving the video as is. It's educative, and it shows a good example of the right mental attitude to have when an opponent is playing "suspiciously" well ; assume they are human, and play for the fun and learning of chess.
Hardly. Most comments said he was cheating. It's a balancing act between not giving credit that's undue when fair play policy is violated and not just accusing every underdog of losing (Especially if it's when facing a popular streamer)
You could rule the game as "no contest". It's originally a combat sports term, which is used when neither of the fighters can be declares as a winner, but fight also isn't a draw.
I had my suspicions when watching the game, glad to see it was confirmed. Your streak stands. I would eliminate the loss from the record... but maybe add a dirty flag column for the second game today! ;)
In competitions in general, if one side cheats, the other side is credited with a win. Eric would have grounds for saying that the game belongs to him, but IMHO, the right call is just to remove the game altogether from the streak. He didn't win the game, but neither did he lose within the rules. That is what the streak should reflect, but I do understand his reticence to do so. He's a nice guy, and a class act.
I was hollering E5, thought I must have missed something when it wasn't considered, then felt really awesome when the analysis thought it was great. :)
Maybe I'm paranoid but especially after looking with an engine I think that last game was against a cheater. I know Eric doesn't want to accuse and I won't either but I want to make my suspicions known. Reasoning: 0) I had a hunch and was suspicious not even half way through the game so I looked closer with an engine. 1) At the end when both were low on time they still played very slowly. 2) Relatively low amount of games on account and very high win rate. 3) Moves such as 12. Qe1 were top engine moves whilst very hard to see/understand. 4) Drawing (until time trouble) the significantly higher level player that is Eric
@@hobosaur4250 I don’t know why people like you still cannot comprehend the fact that when you cheat, you don’t necessarily run the engine the entire game
I was also suspicious throughout the game, but the end game really cemented it for me. I can't imagine a 1900 playing that slow of an end game and not at least trying to trade the pieces before their time runs out
@@kieranmaguire116 exactly. What’s even more suspicious is how quickly he was playing out the opening and critical moves, but somehow wasn’t able to move quick enough when low on the clock. He turned from a quick tactical blitz player into a slow boomer classical enthusiast in a span of one game.
After seeing in the comments that the ”Ouch” account was created something like two weeks earlier the refund was not surprising. I vote for deleting the game from the stats. And while you’re updating, the three games from ep 56 are missing from the ”Wins”. :) Thanks for the new episode!
I agree with most of the previous comments. Wins: 171, draws: 0, losses: 0, games against cheaters: (at least) 1. Watched every single episode of the speedrun, love it!
The speedrun content is a very welcome return to my subscription alerts, Eric. Good on you for moving passed the cheating prick and keeping the unbeaten run dream alive.
I'm calling suspicious again on this one. Account is less than 90 days old. From June to August has gained 400+ ELO. It's also not like they were undefeated against 1500s and 1600s. Doesnt look like someone who is just 2000 legit who switched from lichess. No one can gain 400 ELO at that level in only 90 days.
I vote to record it as a Rating Refund. Rational is that your rating does nor include the refund. So, adding the new category aligns with your W/L/D stats. Love your channel by the way
hey Eric, thanks for your cooperation with chessmood, i improved a lot. Why you ALWAYS play sicilian as black in the last episode? How about some E6 openings? Love Ulrich
I was pleased to find the e5 move in the first game; in fact, I'd started to write a comment about it but remembered you'd probably cover it in the post-game review. And I agree with others that you should remove the voided 'loss'. Perhaps you could refer to it verbally from time to time, as you do when you mention how your opponents have their ratings refunded after playing you.
Maybe remove separate tallies for wins/losses; as you said the focus is really just on the games themselves and learning increasingly advanced ideas as the rating increases. For stats to display, maybe just show the total count of games played and a very simple line graph of your rating? The wins/losses/streak doesn't seem important to me -- I just enjoy watching each game you play and hearing your thoughts and commentary.
Please continue these videos to as high of a rating ELO that you feel like. And then start a new speed run. I will continue watching all of these videos until the day I die
Props to the first opponent for defending against your barrage of mate threats. Also would just forget that "loss" ever happened. Losses only count if they defeat you fair and square.
Keeping as is is the simplest option and makes perfect sense from the point of viewing the speed run episodes. Even though you lost to a cheater / engine / Magnus Carlsen the game is in the history and I hope you have no plans of snipping it out 😀. I learn not only from your wins, but from losses too. I care about mindset the most.
Of course it doesn’t count as a loss, bro! Understand being hesitant to remove it from the record, but your points were refunded and he was clearly cheating
That game was sooooo fishy, there is absolutely no chance that was a legitimate game especially as the account was banned shortly after. STRIKE THE LOSS!!!
To leave the loss is unfair to the first person that DOES beat you! So you lost to stockfish. Big whup. I think everyone agrees-- let the streak continue!
Personally I think leaving the loss in the record with the rating refund counter is the right thing to do. I don't like effectively saying that game never happened, even though the opponent was cheating. There's still plenty to learn from it and I think it's the most accurate way to represent your stats from this run. Unrelated, I'd love to see analysis of some of the games from the STLCC blitz event earlier this year. I got to play against you and it'd be really cool to see what sort of games everyone played!
On another stream I saw someone put cheats in their own category. I think that's the most fair way to do it because it acknowledges what happened more than just forgetting the game existed. If someone saw a loss and is confused why it was no longer on there, that'd explain it.
Best approach is to just carry on and not sweat the small stuff. Second option is to void the game, as if it had never occurred. You might, if it's easy to do, add a category for "Voided Games" and give a count. All that said, you know you're gonna lose eventually. Once you start hitting 1800+ players, random chance, if nothing else, will get you.
It's amazing you made it 170 games without running into a cheater. When I play it happens roughly 50% of the time (haha j/k). But seriously other speedrunners clearly run into cheaters more often than 1/170 so yeah I think you should account for this and make a category specifically for cheaters - like rating refund matches sounds good).
Rating refund would be funnier and more memey, but I don't think I'm worried one way or the other what you do with the "loss". I'll keep watching either way!
