I was doing some research and I found a website where they did a better job disassembling the movement. They detailed everything better than I did and published pictures of the whole process. They even counted the parts. I added the link to the description if you guys like to take a look. Thank you everyone for the support. More contents coming soon!
Don't buy Swatch watches 1.there over price 2.they brake easy the sistem51 due to rust and lake of oil they will last about 5 years if your lucky once they hit the water or you leave then out side say at the pool or camping over night water build up inside and they rust there not air tight 3.there made by robots so there less jobs to watch making or fixer 4. you cant pass them down to other members of family 5.they brake easy 6.the Hype beside the price of the watch the cost of making one is about 3 dollars yeah that right most of the money they make goes on pay off or PR the company is making so much money its not funny and its cutting into the old school watch makers and costing jobs
That was like a snuff film. I thought the first drill put it out, then I saw the balance wheel still beating. What a sad movie. Informative but sad. Thank you for your sacrifice System51
@@cd1934, a 4th grader could, but these are assembled by robots. It’s the manufacturing process that is revolutionary of the Sistem 51, not the movement itself.
Watches are assembled by machines since about the 1970 already. Riveted crap was done already in the 50-ties by cheap producers like TIMEX. There is absolutely nothing new in this watch.
It is hard to believe that Swatch & Blancpain have come up with such a monstrosity. They still do not get the point that throwaway products are totally out. Also, good serviceable automatic movements are not that expensive and the asking price for these watches is very high.
Ehhhh the counterpoint would be do you want to spend around the retail price of the watch on a single service? I wouldn't. I'd rather pay Swatch the $150 and get a factory fresh movement. Really the same conondurum with most of the entry/mid range Japanese movements as well . For short money I'll take the brand new movement, those I just do myself.
The price for this watch is $400. Service is not cheap - particularly in Switzerland, but throwing stuff into the world that has no chance of being repaired is just an abomination. I bought or was gifted about 6 Swatch watches during my lifetime. All of them are broken, while almost all my mechanical ones (some bought in Thailand for as little as $50) still purr like very happy cats.@@dubester1982
@@dubester1982 You can't swap the movement on the Fifty Fathoms Swatch. It is sealed in the case permanently, you'd need to break the case. Also service costs depend where you get the watch serviced. I had my Orient serviced in China for £14 ($18 USD).
@@dubester1982I never understood this thinking. Why does the initial cost of the watch impact your desire to service it? One of the appeals of mechanical watches is the fact you can service them so they can last a lifetime. Why does it matter how much you initially paid for a watch if you have to service it, regardless of its sticker price? I just serviced my Seiko Alpinist SARB017, and the cost of the service was about the same as the watch when I got it. I can now wear the watch for another 5-10 years and the watch can age with me as I live my life. Me knowing that my watch has the same movement in it, still ticking away after years of service, is part of the appeal of owning it. Who cares how much the service cost is relative to the watch’s initial price? It’s irrelevant.
I was trying to open my first gen Sistem51 watch (broken mainspring) and was unsuccessful. I probably should have used a Dremel tool to cut open the case. Thanks for this video. I was curious to see if there really were 51 parts in the movement.
Thanks for the video. I really do not understand the reason to exist of System 51 movements. The allure of mechanical movements is not only in their ticking, but in their durability. I assume that watch aficionados is not the main target consumer group for Swatch, and the main attraction is their colorful cases and dials. Movements is never the point with Swatch watches, so why even engineer such disposable mechanisms?
How did they arrive at the count of 51 components? There are 5 minimum in the balance alone. Three in the stem and crown. Do they count the posts holding the bridges and the jewels? I'm guessing they've been creative with their counting.
I saw a plastic escape wheel. I'm pretty sure the pallet fork is plastic as well. These movements will probably last as long as any other movement until a first service is needed.
I don’t care what kind of watch is but I don’t pay that kind of money for something that you can’t repair. Specially, if you’re a collector great video thanks.
I have to disagree with most comments, I get the repair concerns. But the case can be opened, and the movement can be replaced. But most people also wouldn't repair a seiko 7s26, it's just easier to replace the whole movement. Also, your getting a movement made in Switzerland not Singapore or Malaysia.
Swatch is the only watch company that I am aware of that makes a watch that tries to force you to not be able to own it for a long time. There isn’t a good reason why this watch is so cheaply constructed. It seems to me that it could easily be made to be serviceable
No. In a watch repair video of a conventional movement if you had the whole movement submerged in a fluid, it would interfere with timing. You know how it’s difficult to walk in water same physics with watch lubrication. That’s why you want it in high friction areas and not everywhere. I don’t know how swatch expects you to have a functional watch without just buying a replacement and do it for cheap.
@@GreenPizza577 I don't think that what he wrote: there are (bad) cheap places that "service" movements not by disassemble/wash/reassemble with proper oils, but put the whole movement (assembled) into a bath of solvent to remove the old oil and then take it out, let it dry and lubricate only the visible jewels. He's referring to that practice.
Ok, thanks, now I see what they meant with "no serviceable". What a waste of engineering... Born to be thrown away. At least the swatch automatic from the 80s can serve as movement source once serviced (the watch couldn't be serviced, but the movement could!). There's absolutely nothing I like of a thing like this. And then they make "green" statements about "built with plastic from the ocean" and BS like that, just to be put into disposable objects that will again be trash in few years... Thanks for the video tho, at least I know I'll never ever buy a System51 (I LOVE to service my watches on my bench....).
In a normal mechanical watch, not one of those rolex or ap etc, it costs more to service it than to buy a new one so i get the disposable nature of swatch
I'd like to see you disassemble an Omega or Tissot next. They both have plastic escapements. I bet we'll see similarities to this sistem. Look, I get it, profit margins drive cost savings. I have an Orginal swatch from 1984 and it still functions. I stil think the Blancpain x Swatch is a genius move. The more people who enter the hobby the better. Less Apple and Garmin will take over the entire market wholesale save for the remaining Quartz manufactures.
I agree with you. Like I mentioned in my other video about the movement, I like the new release and I’ll buy one myself. I just wanted to show what it’s all about. For some people it’s okay to spend $400 on a watch that potentially cannot be serviced. Others would disagree. I’ll try to get my hands on a broken Omega x swatch and disassemble it. Thank you for watching!
@@theaussiewhinger Certain watches from the Swatch group using the ETA2824 based C07.1XX(Powermatic 80) movement including the Tissot seastar, PRX and some Certinas all have a synthetic plastic escapement/pallet fork. I doubt that Omega uses plastic escapements too though. What a shame Swatch
they would make it work with a simple threaded posts and screws instead of rivets..... At least make it semi modular and have the modules able to be taken apart even if the sub components are riveted.....
That was sad to watch. Usually the fascination of these videos for me is that after a cleanup on reassembly the "heart" will start beating again. Although a movement is just a bunch of parts, this felt like killing it.
I see the balance wheel, balance spring, and escape wheel, but I don't see a pallet fork. Does it use a standard lever escapement? Did you find any evidence of lubrication?
I honestly did not see a pallet fork. Maybe it jumped somewhere when I removed the plate that was holding the balance wheel. I didn't see any signs of lubrication.
Found the pallet fork. I posted a couple pictures of it here on RU-vid. Here is the link if you want to take a look ru-vid.comUgkx1M0OUuXopxAkcvn9_nXCyHEe2wtPzPi_
Of, course not. You have to send it to a Swatch Group service center for a replacement movement. Swatch are notzees when it comes to their parts/movements.
I don't think it can be reassembled. Maybe if you use some tools with high precision to drill out the rivets and reattach them. Even then, I don't think it will be worth it.
I have a couple field watches that were supposed to be disposable, but they can be accessed from the crystal side and serviced. Some of them are impossible to open though.
So there are jewels inside that's good. In theory if would be possible to purchase just movement a watch could be fixed this way.? @5:02 - where is pallet fork ? I see escape wheel plastic there.
€490 and then you get a caliber that you cannot maintain. there isn't even a screw, I also have one, if it ever stops working I will take the dial hands off and make something nice out of it 😂👍
According to several people I've encountered in comment sections for the latest Swatch. I'm wrong, the Sistem51 can be serviced like any other movement if you know the right watchmaker 😁
totally trash. i'm afraid swatch will kill the other brands wich is under itself. by the way are tissot powermatic 80's same like this too? does anybody know?
No it's not. Powermatic is basically an ETA 2824 with different mainspring, balance and balance cock. It's a bit more difficult to regulate tho because it's a free sprung balance hairspring and there's no regulator (only 2 little movable counterweights on the balance itself)
@@AlessandroGenTLe as i understand it means this caliber is "hard-servicible" right? because balcance is main problem for most of mechanical watches. and looks like powermatic 80 is technically hard to service it.
@@hakanbekiri1114 not really "hard". It's just a bit more difficult to set the correct timing, but not drammatically. If the watch was timed correctly in the first place, you don't even touch them after the service :) Apart from that, it's the very same of a 2824 in terms of difficulty. There are videos around about regulating the powermatic 80, so that you can check with your eyes :) Also it has to be said that there are different types of it around: for instance those in higher price watches (i.e. Rado) have the silicon balance spring. Some, in the lowerst priced ones, had instead even a plastic pallet fork... Maybe not anymore now, but there have been instances of that. The PRX has a non silicon main spring but also not plastic pallet fork, so it's a middle one.
I understand, and I'm sorry if my video made you feel that way. I always make an effort to take care of watches and prevent any damage. However, as I mentioned in my previous comments, I didn't have any other purpose for it, and it was going to be placed in an old parts bin before being disposed of. Thank you for watching.
@@time_keep I know and really apreciate your work for showing us this,thinks that we wouldn´t know otherwise, thanks. I will see more of your videos, greetings
Does it get cheaper? Always had some bad taste in mouth when someone says Swatch. This movement just intensfied it...c'mone Swatch...I wouldn't buy it...
A watch deliberately designed to wreck the environment. Just toss it in the garbage when it eventually stops working. It's so small, it will have little environmental impact. Everything about this is so ethically wrong. They save 5 cents by using rivets instead of screws. Well, screw your bottom line Swatch. Deplorable.
Why would I spend $1k on a watch that cannot be serviced and is essentially disposable, especially since it's plastic, when there are so many REAL and amazing watches I can buy for the same price or even less? People sure are stupid.
Don't buy Swatch watches 1.there over price 2.they brake easy the sistem51 due to rust and lake of oil they will last about 5 years if your lucky once they hit the water or you leave then out side say at the pool or camping over night water build up inside and they rust there not air tight 3.there made by robots so there less jobs to watch making or fixer 4. you cant pass them down to other members of family 5.they brake easy 6.the Hype beside the price of the watch the cost of making one is about 3 dollars yeah that right most of the money they make goes on pay off or PR the company is making so much money its not funny and its cutting into the old school watch makers and costing jobs
