Discussing Defences and How to Get Tanky in Path of Exile 

I know I missed a bunch on my little impromptu spreadsheet, so let me know what I should add, and then I might make a more thorough video! PS. I wasn't thinking about T17s when going over this, but T17s are stupid and overtuned as hell and so terribly balanced that they aren't even worth discussing right now. BTW if you missed it, here's my HC playthrough stream highlight: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-eFlbuEt-AzY.html

The POE idea of tanky is what most games would still call glass cannon. My biggest complaint though is that I usually have no idea what it was that killed me. The game never gives any feedback indicating what kind of damage and from what source you are taking. There are debuffs, that appear in the far upper left corner of the screen, which isn't anywhere near where you should be looking. But even those debuff icons only help if you have time to mouse over them or memorize what they look like, and can check it in the fraction of a second that it takes to go from full hp to dead. A combat log would fix a lot of this by giving you something to parse and figure out where the hole in your defense is.

i love having 77% block 75% spell block 90% phys reduction crit immunity ailment immunity 10 fortify stacks capped chaos res 100% life recovery per second (i'm not exaggerating) minion taunt offscreen dmg (holy relic of conviction) AND STILL randomly dying in T16s. excellent design, 10/10

The issue is the oneshots. If you had bigger time windows to gage the power of a rare mob, you could play around it.

Yeah I love that 90% evasion, 100% suppression, stun immune, ailment immune, 30% block, 40% phys dr, automated 21 immortal call, 21 rallying cry, 6k es, HUGE es leech (trickster), heartstopper, phys taken as chaos, ele taken as chaos, and probably more wasn’t even REMOTELY enough to do T17s consistently.. all while doing about 30 million pinnacle dps… this game is legit starting make me not like it. My ehp pool was 68k i think. I could do some easy maps but usually got 1 tapped by any of the bosses.

Just my 2 cents but the best defense in this game is to clear off screen. Sounds bad but it is what is

I agree with the original poster. Getting everything is not the problem, it's getting everything in a non-meta build while juiced mapping. Too much shit happening during maps to call things "skill issues." Ubers are a joke compared to mapping because everything is super telegraphed. If you make a rare mistake you can just log/die and use another portal. PoE shouldnt be seen as a game where you need skill to grind out gear. Ubers? Sure. That should definitely be seen as a "yeah im just that guy" type of achievement and you should be rewarded accordingly. But during mapping i just wanna sit down play around to make my character feel like an immortal god vaporizing anything it looks at no matter what alter I click on or map mod I run. The game is much more fun when I can just go brain dead after a long day and just slaughter and hear "TINK" as a reward every now and again. I bet you anything this post is coming from the perspective of a casual player that is used to alch and go with his t16 maps and then going into t17 maps and then feeling like he just swapped places with one of the mobs he was culling through. That feeling of wanting to run juiced t17s to really make bank is awful especially for people that get FOMO. Side note, i blame the lantern a ton for making it feel like mapping is less frictionless than it should be. Probably wont be as bad when we dont have it next league.

That post was some extreme hyperbole, but the core points were true, it’s annoying that suppression feels mandatory or you keel over. Phys taken as ele should be a clever way for non Armor builds to handle phys damage but is just straight up better than armor

Hey Locohol, I've given the game up for 2 leagues now but this video seems interesting, so wanted to add my take. To properly define tanky, we need to know whether someone is referring to "hands off the keyboard" or "playing intelligently and not dying randomly" (which you covered) but also the intended range you engage at. A ranged character can have 1 set of defenses and feel tanky while a melee character with the same set will feel squishy. Just as our own damage uptime is important to actual dps, so is the monster's. When I played the game actively, I always played ~6 characters per league. One of those builds each league was always a totem guy since that's the style I enjoyed playing most. My totem guys had NONE of the defenses listed in the reddit post. What he always had was ~4k life, ~3k mana, MoM, and 75 all res. That's it. No suppression, evasion/armour values under 4 figures. No block, no dodge, nothing. Yet he very rarely died and never "randomly" (if I died, I always knew why). I always managed to reach L95 without even capping res and I never really had to focus too hard until 97. He always made it to 100 and the last couple of leagues I played were in SSF. In fact, the final couple of weeks before I quit the game, I wanted to challenge myself one last time and rolled totems in HCSSF with an unascended Scion and made it into the mid 90s multiple times before getting bored. Why does this work? Well I believe it's because I have a few inches of range to place my totem, which then has a full screen of range for attacking. That means the guys I'm killing are usually REALLY far away from me. If I needed to fight those guys up in my face, there is no way I could pull any of that off. The thing is, PoE is more and more becoming a game of "the longer sniper rifle that explodes the screen" (one of the reasons I left the game for and also one of the reasons ~2 of the 6 builds I play each league are melee). A game where it is easy to turn on God Mode does not stay fun for long for players who like to challenge themselves (which is the purported audience of this game). Because ranged play is dominant in this game, they have to keep scaling the defenses back to at least allow a chance for mobs to kill a skilled player. This obviously means if you enjoy melee, it becomes harder and harder to get anything that's actually tanky because defenses are balanced around ranged characters (since they made their game such that any character can get any defenses). Ironically, until this "freedom of any character to get any kind of defenses" is removed, this is also why melee will always suck no matter what.

spell supression is pain in the ass, shouldnt be required for every character meanwhile theres noway to target craft it, everyone just fracture base with desired suffix>spam essence for chaos until spell supression appear... GREAT DESIGN

POE moving the goal post for ubers being mandatory in softcore kinda sucks ngl. and tehy gate keep those ubers by making sure you have a quality mapping build. we have a crafting league and progression feels kinda buns unless your doing a meta build whicch unironicall is probably one oof the few things to not get nerfed in the last 4 years.

In my view the only thing they need to change in the game is add a death recap, combat log, or both so you can clearly divine what actually killed you. Include the damage type, the monster performing the attack, and visibly show the debuffs you were afflicted with at the time of death. It's ridiculous that these conversations around defenses even need to happen in the first place, the player deserves to have access to more information.

If I remember correctly the main point of that reddit post was how defensive scaling always pales in comparison to scaling offence until you reach the t1-t0 items. the post is obviously exaggerated (probably from a moment of frustration. I won’t judge) but I do share the sentiment that defences on top of the bare minimum feel waaayyy less valuabable than simply investing in more offence. The best defence is usually just killing the enemy before they reach you.

broo i have 200k hit pool tank exark slam and hold in to the beem have 100% supp cap eve 95% 90% phys all ress 75% and i just got F in the asssssss from a random mob from Allflame Embers that give you Omen's and white mobs just delete me when i kill them and i can tank so much more stuff no problem and is not like they have the DD mod on them oo and i have max fortify and insta leech + 1-2k regen per sek ever 2 sek from armor and eve mastery 1%

The worst thing for me is the fact that you can have a 20k raw hp build with 200k armour and 2k leech and still die to a blue pack of just any projectile mob in less than a second and the game makes no attempts at telling you why that happened Was it a bunch of unlucky crits? Was it bc the pack has as extra and my res was fucked for some reason? Was it bc my flask dropped? Or was it something else entirely? I can only look at my deaths with hindsight but some of the information I need to really understand what happened is gone now and the game doesn't care

The original poster actually missed something incredibly important. Even at 90% max res, you can still get blasted by spells with penetration. Only way around that is to shift damage types, for example if you go Mahuxotl + Tempered by War, then you can only take damage as either Fire or Chaos. There is also a Grasping Mail Haunted modifier which gives "Fire Resistances Cannot be Penetrated". With this setup you can go 90% fire and chaos res, and be immune to damage penetration except for Wither. Unfortunately this setup does not fully account for phys overwhelm

My main issue with defences is the ammount of layers you need to build in to not die often. Like you need something from almost every category you wrote down. And that is the main frustration. So the build you use as an example you are using 10+ layers of defence Ofc life is always needed. i don't really count that.

Armor needs a fix and suppression is basically mandatory which sort of feels bad

Dying on poe is not a skill issue, its a knowlegde issue. You have to know what your build has amd what is gonna kill otherwise you'll get deleted. Theres just so little of skill demonstrantion while playing poe.

This league defenses feel really bad imo. I’ve got 50% MoM, 7k total life & ES, corrupted soul, 30% phys taken as, defiance of destiny, leech life mana & ES, frost shield & arcane cloak. More damage than I need for mapping and normal bosses (instaphase). I can even clear T17 maps ok. But the bosses feel horrific to fight. I’m used to doing Ubers at end of league, and idk if I’ll even get a shot to try them this league. My next step is rebuilding my gear around a Mageblood. But this feels well past the point I would start Ubers last league.

I think jung doesn't realize how good he's gotten. He probably needs to grow into recognizing that he's up there with the best.

I want a death log to know what killed me so i can improve Many times i just don't know and I'm blindly guessing what killed me

Fairly new to game, played affliction with a SRS necro, it was tons of fun. Defence was not great but minions would take most of it, id just run away. Was dying less then, then now in Necropolis. Im playing tanky myolner heirophant mana stacker. The only thing that will make me leave the map is sadistic touch mod from corupted tempest. Dying is important part of the game that will make you learn mechanics, and once you obercome or learn how to avoid the chalenge. It will feel rewarding. Absolutely a thing that makes POE better game, not worse.

The fact that you have a list to discuss is a proof the game has just become too complicated to be enjoyed or maybe my taste has become dull. Great to see people still enjoying it.

First. I think he's getting at the fact the game is getting more and more ridicous as the leagues come. As in before if u had capped res, and some armor/recover ur GTG, and chaos res was icing on the cake. Now you need like the guy says many many layers and it makes it near impossible for the average or new player to get get far in the game before giving up. I find myself quiting the leagues earlier and earlier as they make just playing casually more frustrating. If a new player or some who has maybe 5-8 hours a week try to keep up with things you are going to have a bad time. I really think the main issue is there is a huge gap between the people that play ALOT and have been playing for years, and the person that can play every day and when they can its just an hour or two.

You can make a full tank build and still die 😂

Whatever tanky stuff you make at the end of the day you die to hasted DD so yeah. Even t0 won't save you.But started seeing people even in softcore getting defenses items/stats so GGG are doing it kinda it the right way.

I have the highest CoC DD Inquisitor EHP in Softcore league(ZDPS) on ninja and though EHP does not accurately reflect the full picture, I have to agree with the points in the post and they are also the same checkboxes I had in mind. I wanted a full lazy build with no Progenesis, no mana cost etc. Before the character I have slapped on CoC DD on many classes and the random one shots in T17 were the most annoying thing to me(some people dont care, I just feel disrespected). The goal was to build a *Well rounded beast* to do as many mod combinations as possible but alas a jack of all trades in PoE is a mistake in efficiency. Intentful map rolling to your build(which was what I wanted to avoid) however remains necessary if you want to not torture yourself with low DPS. Having said. Degens still hurt and One shots in T17(map mods) still sometimes punch through for whatever reason. Just go full max DPS and forgo tankiness is what I would recommend. Its not worth the time and headache in Softcore.

Tbf I have all those things other than the 95% convert and die pretty badly on t17s. I do recognise that my deaths are a skill issue though

I think if poe has death summary, it would be great. You will finally understand what one shot you.

I have a build that normally costs 24~26 divi and has a dot cap on ubers. On maps you can do it with block cap.

You missed the "crowd control" layer. Slow, stun, freeze. The only issue with defenses is that 75 res and uncapped spell suppression is not viable. And lucky suppress should be on the left side of the tree or available on an item or jewel

The thing i personally think most people miss is to STUN / FREEZE enemies. These two mechanics are insanely good for mapping (even on the high end) because you zero the chance of enemies hitting you. Of course these dont apply to bossing tho.

This guy has been listening to the hardcore guys. Its easy to get swept up into the never die but once a year mentality. Ziz and the other guy the elite never diers.

Most likely he forgot to add some skill point to recoup to life, that pretty much helps alot and the map he choose also have alot to do with it.

Top players they dislike DD mechanic say it's a fuckery, because you can never see the monster corpse with all the action going on, you can only guess and try to avoid with no certainty, even with the new sound alert all you can do is move "away", you don't even know away from what, just away. Uncertainty is a bitch and I do think that's the poster's main argument, most players don't stream, most players don't have VODs to check how they died, sometimes in POE you die to certain things that can be taken as your fault, if you aren't a block character but run into a pack of porcupines with GMP in a hard map, next time you will have an idea "as melee I prbly should take block or very high armour + res", but now with the new T17s, things happen so fast you almost never knew what killed you, what can you do to not die in the same situation? Logically all you can do is not die to anything, that means what he said, all the correlation defense layers upon layers, that's the only sure thing, it might not need to take that far but he cannot tell where is the standard. Johnason did say something like "if we make players feel they have to do something to succeed, we failed our job" clearly the guy feel like he has no other choice, he might be wrong but he has good reasons.

I take either armor or evasion, (both if champion). One form of recovery that is at least 2000hps (life flask pf, leech, life regen,) Ele immunity, bleed CB immunity. One form of reduced ele dmg taken(mac res or less ele dmg taken) At least 40%phys res without armor calculations.

I think the biggest issue with PoE, and one that's amplified many-fold for newer players, is that it's incredibly hard to tell what killed you a lot of the time. It's hard to shore up a defensive weakness when you have no idea what it is. So the problem becomes this vague case of shoring up random defenses and hoping one of the ones you are aware of is the culprit. You can also very easily get stuck trying to make a change, need to use a particular unique but doing so means you suddenly can't cap resists so you're kind of stuck having to build an entirely new gear set, not even knowing if it'll fix the problem, and all the time the problem still persists. I also think streamers to some extent don't help, it's so easy for a new player to see someone playing 24/7 with hundreds of divs worth of gear stomping T17s with a build they call the same thing. The 300 divine Boneshatter build is not the same beast as the under 1 div Boneshatter build that the new player watching the video has a problem with.

I I gave all my gear to a friend when I stopped playing. He's now playing a build that I would consider to be near immortal, yet he can't get past lvl 94. There's so many ways to fuck up in PoE and completely undermine your defenses if you don't know what you are doing.

tbh you need what is described in the post for deep delve, but definetly not normally

Personally I feel like there are enough options for dmg mitigations, it is all about setting them up. I think the biggest faulty lier is just how needed suppress is as a defence if you don't wanna die at all.

Any resistance from Auto Death?

I believe the point he is trying to make about uniques is the fact that for the past few leagues it is the same uniques being used over and over again. Most of the time other pieces can't even come close to the stats that some of these uniques have and so by default players feel required to use them. Which sucks because there are some really cool skills out there, but because they don't perform to the ability that some of the other abilities do and with the fact that gearing is usually limited, naturally you just don't play those skills.

I don't know I kind of feel like defensive requirements are becoming pretty annoying these days. A few years back I'd decide on a skill, figure out how to get 10-20mil dps, and spend the rest of my budget on defensive layers. I'd pretty easily get to 100 with 4 to 20 deaths doing all content from juiced mapping to boss farming. These days I feel like it is far more important to decide on a defensive archetype (ES + aegis block, Full or near full phys conversion + evasion, high life + defiance and all need 80+ max resis ideally 90 + suppression) then I try and figure out what skill can get enough damage with the budget left to feel good playing. Also in the current state of the game I'm rarely hitting 100 with under 100 deaths and I'm for sure not running all content because different defensive layers work far better at some content then others to a point it isn't worth doing that content without it outside of a one off for challenges or something like that. I don't expect to be immortal to all content in a small or even mid tier budget but when I'm rocking 2-3 mirrors into a build I feel like it should be pretty impossible to die to 99% of content. With that mind set it really only leaves me with a handful of builds that are even worth playing after my first build of the league.

Yes, more detailed sheet/video please!

I always find it hilarious when those people say they did *CONSIDERABLE* research then continue to say factually incorrect statements It's crazy to me how people downplay knowledge movement awareness and skill in this game so much

How to get more tanky? Have GGG remove those damn huge grave markers in this league that are always in the way of everything. On a more practical note I agree (as usual) with Locohol especially switching 4 leagues ago to range Deadeye builds and hugely increasing my damage coverage and movement speed. Those two things along with the usual basic stuff like having enough life, recovery, block, resistances etc. I am still running light on physical mitigation because you can't have everything (IMO). I play regular trade league so I enjoy getting to max level and playing reckless and a little glass cannon(y).

I leveled from 80 to 99 with 0 deaths and then on my way to 100 some mob suddenly got me and I don't know why. It was a rather save map 🤣

where you have tha 6 link quivers? ggg will find it soon)

Defencese in this game has always been an issue for casual players.

My 2 div rf chief has 90% ele res with 50~60 phys taken as ele... :/

I suppose he meant exactly t17. I'm having difficulties too with t17. I spent 70-100 chaos to roll each t17. Have 2 chars - mapper MF LA (about 2 mirrors invest) and Hexblast bosser (about 2,5 mirrors invest). And both have troubles with beating mobs on t17. I can't kill some mobs on hexblast with several billion dps. Such as migistrate hounted, union of souls. The "tankiest" LA can't DPS enough, the powerful Hexblast can't stand for a second to throw mines constatly, cause it's die at moment. Make some video with discussing t17. It's so big issue, in t17 map i die like i am in items i found on floor, and on t16 i am deathless and killing everything in 1 second

I have six portals and 2k deaths

My spirit was crushed last night. Softcore SSF killed Sirus for the first time in a year, and maybe first time ever as self cast, so I was feeling good He just melted so fast. I have 15k phys ehp, 40k ele ehp. So let's try and get the extra slot from T17. Got crushed by ghosted boss in map 1. That was a boss so ok. Got blasted by a rare goatman in map 2. That crushed me. Time for a break :) My skill level is about as bad as you can get but knowledge is fair. The game is weird with rares being so much harder than bosses.

well we can all agree that 85% of armour and evasion, 100% suppress, 80% with ele res and 75 chaos res is not enough to be considered tanky rocked LS champs with machination, doriany and other shenanigans, still oneshoted by random white mob due to to % as extra stacking from 6-7 different sources

I would like a more detailed spreadsheet and video. 👍

i get what he is trying to say, you need crazy defensives these days in poe to be tanky its gotten kinda absurd. a few years back if u had good life and high evasion OR high armour and just 75%res (not even chaos res) you were pretty tanky. now you basicly need high armour AND high evasion AND spell suppression AND element immunity AND 90%res AND crit immunity AND good regen/leech AND some phys to ele AND defiance of desteny AND AND AND AND... and "tanky" on softcore on a build that oneshots everything is somehting completly different than tanky on a rf build on hc i almost died a few times in early red maps this league on my tanky rf chief with 90%res 5k life 2k regen 50k armour -200 flat fire damage taken 40%phys taken as fire // 60%less crit damage taken // shock immune 25%block/spellblock on a defensive atlas tree and easy mapmods. guess im just bad ?..

2 videos ago Hardcore is too easy, and I'm like guy have you been in a t17 And here it is lmao

dont stand in the shit... awww man that one hurt,,, how do i stand away of this commentary now :P

This take makes me feel bad cuz the original post dude makes so much more sence. I am playing poe since the beta and I have lived and felt all the game changes through my own skin. Death danger has always been the spice that makes your blood flow and enjoy the grind yet it feels like they have over-spiced it way too much. It feels like they dont know the difference between feelings when u die once or twice a day and the missarable state of mind when u KNOW that u will die like at least twice per map cuz of random shit and two lags.... the game has become idea dumpster with little to no testing and polish - mainly due the poe2 focus switch. Idk maybe this is intendet emotion manipulation to make poe2 look more appalling. Who know...

Most of these things aren’t required for the majority of builds but the problem stems from the most profitable Strats in the game are pigeonholed to the few builds that can fit all of these and dps in - further distorting the meta . The ceiling of what a build should be expected to do , especially on league start , is so far out of whack I just want a massive rebalancing patch next ! We are long overdue !

the current tankiest build in the game currently gets one shot by DD in t17s. trancendance armour stacker with 700k max hit taken. i would know as ive sunk 6 mirrors into it. the ceiling for making a tanky build has risen, and our tools to make that build have stayed the same. for many builds the ele flask reduction even nerfed them a bit, for others it was a good change. the final result was polarizing. just saying "play better" when talking about defences is a moot point. if somebody wants to invest all league into making the tankiest character possible and standing in almost everything, they should be allowed to do so. im not saying it should be achievable without investment, it should take a lot of work in order to happen. i do agree with lily that our defencive options have been given more variety, but sadly the damage that monsters do in t17s is currently too high for any build in the game to tank. ubers are a joke compared to t17s, because you cant roll mods on ubers now.

the post is spot on, poe dkriders need to stop

i guess t16 and t17 having a huge gap, it's like when you reach 10 you need to jump at 30 there's no more step 1 by 1 for you, wtf is that level difficulty

The original poster forgot one massively important defensive layer - DAMAGE. The same build with 40 million DPS will die 10% of the time that build dies when it only had 4 million DPS. Movement speed is also an underappreciated defensive layer.

Hi i go bonezone i have none of the stuff the guy in the reddit post i just rip it and scream yolo and pray to the shrine of carn every night. Am able to take down all pinnacles(not uber yet) in hc. Defense doesnt matter if you're a chad melee slayer looking for a good time tbh tbh

What in the world is Lolcohol fingerbanging in the beginning of this vid?

dots are what i struggle with, and i play a witch lmao.

i do get where he is coming from, if every build has to have these it feels kinda bad but I think that is just how PoE is these days. This is the issue they are trying to fix with PoE 2 so we have more options because we are not getting insta blasted into the shadow realm.

at 50 years old, I can sleep through t16s and get my 2 void stones...and then that is it. I wonder if it is my skill...I had the same feeling about MOBAs 10 years ago...is this what getting old is? I got...lol...one more season in me to try and get 4 void stones...uber elder and all of that if my ziz EA doesn't pan out this season. Grind it up!!!! But it is probably my skill.

"the one i played last year didn't die" uhhh yearh. Cus last year there wasn't necro mods or t17's

It was a good Ted talk though.

CI occ can be very tanky

I have an 84k EHP occultist hexblast miner running a fourth vow divine flesh set up with the delve helmet mod as well, recently swapped determination for zealotry and I’m clearing t17s with 3500 armour 😂 this game is fuckin ez pz

Great video, thanks for confirming the reddit's points. Trolling with an example with BV PF with 13k physical max hit is brilliant

I'm tired of game devs providing so many tools for defense just to have a fuck ton of mechanics that disable, bypass, overwhelm or reflect you to death. It's not a PoE problem is an industry problem.

That sounds too complicated. I'll just go with more damage and if I pay for 6 portals, I'll use 6 portals. With all the loot explosions currently, I have to leave the map multiple times anyways...

A Problem with traditional defenses is that a chunky, big guy Juggernaut can never get the same amount of armor that an Occultist can, just by stacking aura effect and slapping in a determination. Yeah, it's a flexibility thing, where you can get anything on any class, but when we are talking about the height of armor, shouldn't Jugg be the peak of it? Kripp (Kripparrian) spoke about that in Ruthless, where it really shows when you strip people of spell suppress and other defensive mechanics, it really shows how much defenses are bound to auras.

Def more

All I need is death log to analyze what I've miss. That's the problem Also, complaining with pathfinder view is not fair Lolcohol

I think people really gimp their builds by automating guard skills, like molten shell. When i started manually casting it, saving it for big packs, scary rares, and actually dangerous situations, my survivability felt like it went up about 10x.

for ppl who cant spend on game more than 2-3 hour all this in a problem

The "skill" is avoiding the wrong map mods. Give people T17's with terrible mods and the ability to scale them up 300% and of course everyones going to corpse flop through the map, especially with scarab of stability giving you 12 portals, pretty bad design honestly. You should get rewarded for not dying, not given more loot and more portals for corpse flopping through the map.

Out of touch boomer streamer take. Your non tank build literally has over 70k ehp lol. The average player is not going to see the items much less have the points for the tree to get this level of tank. The requirements for even basic mapping have really become astronomical over the years. My 80k ehp hexblast trickster literally got clapped by a white mob while looting through capped suppress, ~50% phys convert, 3 stacks of ghost shroud, 96% evade chance, and 4.5k between health and ES. No crazy alter debuffs. Oh and 80% reduced crit with full elemental avoidance. No recap to see wtf could have possibly caused that makes the game worse. Having the defensive puzzle to solve is fun but not knowing what piece didn’t magically work for a fraction of a second makes the game feel like shit. They need a death recap where it shows your effective stats after modifiers from alters etc. with like 2.5 secs of damage intake.

Dude your own BV example has 15k max hit...cant deal with degens, very low damage, is level 96...like what? You're proving your own point wrong with this PoB. Even your giga end game pob isn't even close to dot cap while using a progenesis and taste of hate, 84 max res while still having 30k ele max hit. Entirely leech dependent on a skill that requires you to get up close to start doing damage...no ailment immunity outside of freeze and bleed. I know PoB isn't everything, you can have 2m ehp on PoB and still die all the time. But I'm sorry, I think that's some schadenfreude level of cope right there. I do not see anybody taking that build to 100 as it is by doing any form of juiced mapping. . Scoured breach domination shrines...sure..I imagine many peoples response is "well you don't need every build to get to 100. 95 is good enough!". I think that's a failure from a game design standpoint imo that most people do not get close to 98 - Obviously that is a subjective opinion. I don't think defenses should be unnecessary, but obviously there is a problem that the majority of players have in terms of finding the right balance while still being able to feel strong and enjoy their character, as only a very small fraction even make it to 98. Being tank in PoE means nothing if you don't have good mobility and damage. The only few exceptions to this rule of "Damage, Speed, Tank - pick two" applies to a small minority of meta skills that usually come with some kind of downside relating to QoL, or are prohibitively expensive for 99.9% of players. Ice nova, EA ballista, Armour Stacker etc. Even armour stacker though can get rekt by one mod that has no visual indicator.

So the first guy converted all phys to elemental had all the defensive layers you can get had 90 max res capped armour capped evasion capped spell supp leech respectable regen a guard skill that he times perfectly never did a build breaking mod and somehow still died in a map? Come on now

Those PoB examples are a joke, those builds are tanky in easy T16 maps. Damage can be pushed to 50x that, it's all about avoiding bad mods.

BTW, will your BV PF survive T17 map, 15k max hit looks bad, no progen, how do you even survive? This build may survive in T16, but man, you are gone in T17

They need fix the character sheet; 1 its inaccurate at times, 2 its just not useful outside of looking at % threshold (accuracy res ect). Better tools with more accurate mod descriptions will help dumb dumbs like me not get salty because I died while I had 90% physical reduction. And potentially add a death recap? Just what we died to damage/ability wise. Let us learn from our stupid plz :)

I don't disagree with the comment's sentiment, but yeah major exaggeration.

Doesn't help alot of the starter builds can't even do red maps.

Don't make it so complicated it's about the feels of the game it doesn't feel like it completes you. It just doesn't make you smile and enjoy doing it anymore. Simple example when you open the fridge and its full of food but yet you say nnnaaaahhh there's nothing or its too much of a chore or something like that. So, you order take out but WTF you notice that there is a trash can just as big as the fridge full of trash and now you're eating while smelling all that trash LOL. It makes you quit eating all together LOL. Maybe someone understands this feels LOL.

he is obviously exagerating, but actually he is kind of right, you literaly cannot do T17 without 100% spell suppress, big phis to ele, ailment imunity and big chaos res 50+ are ABSOLUTELY MANDATORY. Those are not enough though and this is just becoming too much. I have been playing this game for 5 years now and I played it at the very beginning, it just seems that the best defensive layer is play a Bow with a HH and you are done, or just do everything else I mentioned above and die like a dog every T17 map. When I hear Lily speaking about skill issue when I am not even sure how many T17 maps she actually played this is just pathetic. Her life is related to playing this game, I do not think she is some kind of god, she is definitely very good and better than me, but should we balance the game around Ben, exile and Jungro? Lilly will die 2 times on the first t17 map she is not vaaling if she did not invest a ridiculous amount of currency in the character. Skill issue my ass. I was just thinking that the game is in a decent state in 3.23, but the introduction of T17 and pretty much the killing of any uber bossing strategies is just horrible for the game. For first time I am wondering whether to continue bothering with this game that becomes more and more time requiring and being moved towards people that do this for living.

bad take, 85% armour 79% all res 75% chos res, 76% evation, 100% spell suppress, still if i get hit by a rare i die. the fuck are ment to get to red maps?

At the end of the day, Path of Exile is a game about problem-solving. If a player doesn't want to put in the effort to learn and overcome increasingly difficult obstacles, then they shouldn't be rewarded. Simple as that. Everything in this game is achievable with enough knowledge and skill, that is proven. The SC trade mentality of FOMO and entitlement is just lame.

Projenis for stremer , mega blot for stremer ... Do i net vrite other ....u like beger lf u are cazoal

Bro before u kan do almos imortal bild like fulkrom las legue , but dis legue suks

lol unless you playing on ssf ruthless with us...no one should have any reason to complain about defenses but then again we dont really complain in that mode

PoE's fake difficulty has been a known issue for years, the real irony of this video is being a gatekeepy contrarian for the sake of.. What ? Unfun obscure mechanics that need you to get a phd to get started on that dunning kruger curve ? Great design. The devs used to speak openly about how they took pride and satisfaction in killing players, and most of the ways they use to achieve it are unfair. They kinda stopped when they forced everyone to use spell suppression, to replace the dodge mechanic they judged too overpowered. (meaning it was the only decent defense mechanic in the game) Well, it so happens to be about when the game started to get backlash after backlash, every other league. And when most leagues didn't go core, too. (which was a rare occurrence, before.. Only synthesis?) At the end of the day, it simply is what it is. There is just no point denying it so adamantly tho.

My opinion, what makes poe so good it's the fact that it is not a "brain dead" game we're u could just make an immortal caracther, with 3 screen clear, wich also one shot bosses It require an active playstyle, as lolcohool said "u nerd to be aware, what are your builds strong and weak sides" IF u dont have chaos res u need tô be aware of the chaos dam sources, that include mobs dam type, map mods, altars. This Kind of talks seems to me a New player wich don't understand it and want the game be easier so He could play reckless. IF u think this, way pay attention on it: POE IT'S NOT A GAME FOR YOU