This video was easy to follow and helped me understand how to master subclasses. Now I can be a total ninja at this game! Much love to my fellow disgea lover
1 shot master class: the item you go in must be a higher rank item, I used the 1st carnage item I got and it didn't work. Is why you see a lot about the eclair item. It is high rank, you get one easy by maxing alchemy squad and put 1 in there, takes awhile to make it, but it's faster than going in items looking for a higher rank item and repeating. Excellent work winks, I got your back if I come across anything to help future viewers. Also put some Mr. Gency exits in alchemy synthesis, you will need them. Might as well put the diver-10 in there too you will need them later. If the map doesn't have a block, go to give up, return to pocket world and go back in. Saves gency exits
Man the subclass boost is really good. My Metallia already has 14m INT only incarnating 1 time. I have to get more of these high % growth evility to improve the stats. Thanks for the upload man!
A few things: Exp gains don't matter for class proficiency. Exp can be at 0% and you can still master subclasses. As someone else mentioned in another comment the rank of the item matters. This is because Carnage enemies have a hidden level that can be as high as 1.5m, and higher rank items have higher level enemies (a level 0 Carnage R30, e.g. Carnage Eclair, on 20* has Geo Symbols at level ~400k, a level 0 Carnage R39, e.g. Carnage Mushroom Soup, on 20* has Geo Symbols at level ~800k). Btw this is also why Geo Change doesn't work for this - the Geo Symbols spawned by Geo Change match the level of your character and hence are at most level 9999. You can also throw a Geo Symbol onto an enemy or an enemy onto a Geo Symbol to destroy that Geo Symbol. It gives more exp but the same class proficiency (deathblows gives reduced exp). As someone mentioned in another comment you can also use Raspberyl's Trash Pickup common evility to deathblow any IW scenery (Geo Symbols, Item Symbols, treasure chests, and/or level spheres).
Someone really needs to write a book on all these things lol. There's no way the average person is going to remember every little detail this game is capable of lol. Like seriously if you took all your knowledge on this game and put it into a single source (ie a book or guide) it could be profitable for you. I'd pay for it lol
@@WinksontheWeekend Yeah, there are a lot of intricacies to this game. It's why people like us want to make guides, to help people understand them and/or give players a path to follow. Or at least I assume that's your goal too. I'm generally not a fan of singular guides that attempt to cover everything at once, unless they link to more in-depth guides for the individual topics. They tend to do a poor job of covering any single topic. I prefer a series of guides that each do their best to cover a specific topic, which also gives room to make updated guides, guides to alternative options, etc. There's so much that's been discovered/realised since I started making vids. Methods and suggestions are still being refined to this day.
Yeah I kinda suspected this and then tested it and class XP is different than level XP. So when I'm mastering subs I set the cheat shop for mana, skills lol.
Valvatorez has a learnable evilty called "prinny instructor". It gives 100% class proficiency exp(and exp and mana) to prinnies AND characters in the prinny squad. It is stackable so u can have like 1000% class proficiency exp by having everyone in the prinny squad have the "prinny instructor" evility. And 2000% on a 20 slot squad but you're gonna need fuka's "prinny hat" evility on whoever u want that 2000% to work on.
WHAT!?! So the prinny squad gains class mastery faster.... But Valvatorez or anyone with that Prinny Instructor skill can share class mastery XP with the squad??? Like Valv just kills Lv9999 guys and the whole squad masters there sub ?? If so this should be used to redo this sub mastering guide!!!. Imma test this out. I'm grinding my way through a bunch of my monsters with the magic change method and I didn't know how I would be able to work on human/story characters. If you cant share class XP with this squad its just to help them earn more mastery ??
@@Abband0n i don't remember any of that stuff anymore. It's been years since the last time i played Glad to see someone still finds my nerdy writing useful. U made my day
@@lordb3423 I dont have the DLC characters anyways so I cant do those last steps to ungodly stats heh. I tried tower attacks but you only share Class Mastery with the guy on top. I just have to put Class Mastery skill on all my human Story characters and grind them out.
Reincarnating mastered subclassed characters also grant all the evilities of that class too. It makes for a great way to cross class like making a unit the has evilitiys of both a host and a belladonna for different aura effects within the same tile space.
Hey, another great video! This playlist is making me learn a lot. Are those 4 monsters helping the main character or are they just coming along for the ride for the free exp? Would the process of mastering subclasses in a single character be slower by not having those 4 monsters equipped?
The max you can raise aptitude’s during a Chara Worlder run is 5%. You can pick from all the stats for another 5% to one stat in the reward room for a total of 10% to one stat (while the rest can be maxed at 5%). I’m in there now and its probably the biggest grind of maxing stats.
Question, I know you got lots of comments but can you or someone else reply, can this same trick work with generics ? Half my main team is hired classes I don't wanna ditch em
Yeah Item level is very important. I was using garbage items and had to kill lots of stuff. A good tip is to probably use the cheat shop to set the difficulty to 0 stars and spam LoC - Martial 4 with your strongest dude, The bonus guage will drop alot of stuff that's better than newb carnage gear. (There's also evils you can equip to turn dudes into treasure chests and up the rarity of the items...) But for people grinding on garbage items.. don't forget you can Bonus Change on maps to make more geostones...they don't give as much class XP as natural ones though. You can also smash thief boxes... again lower class XP... If you can get a character that has around 3 mill stats you beat down enemies and green statues so the guy using magic change can finish them off!! I just go through every floor of garbage items killing and swapping out monsters and can max out a bunch of monsters that way (and get some leveled up gear out of it) You don't have to wait for people to master every class before you reincarnate... You can do it every few classes to make people a little stronger(and reach that 3-4mill stats). Then they can start killing enemies and not need gemstones. I hope Valvatorez trick helps.. I only got one guy with max subs lol.
What I do is this Have 20 characters with Prinny Instruction (From Valvatorez) (Make sure the characters that you want to train is including) Put them in all in Foot Soldier Squad Have the character you want to Master Classes equip with Prinny Instruction, Prinny Hat and in the Foot Soldier Squad This way you can get 2000% Class Proficiency XP, now enter 0* LoC Martial Training 4 Use the character you want to train and use a 3x3 attack like Big Bang You can master any classes this way in one attack and it super easy If LoC is too strong just do what the character can do, but way not get 10millions in all stats 1st if you are using said character. For example my Mao who is lvl 1600, No Sub Class Mastered, hasn’t reincarnated, has 12 millions in all stats due to extracts, I can easily master all classes in 47 battles (1 battle for each sub class) due to him knowing the move Rising Heavens (a 3x3 attack) With the geo symbol you may need to destroy 2-3 geo symbols before you master a sub class like Dark Knight but if you can easily farm extract from 20* LoC Double Illusion way not farm the extract first and give the character you want to train 10 millions in all stats and teach them any 3x3 skill move. PS if you using a Unique Monster or Generic class you can just use magichange The 3x3 attack is useful since the enemies in Martial Training 4 are all in a 3x3 Each weapon has 1 3x3 skill apart from starves: Big Bang (Fist), Rising Heaven (Sword), Tornado Spark (Spear), Fire Dragon Gods (Bow), Cocytus (Gun) and El Diablo (Axe)
Not sure how you got 12 mill from stats when it maxes at 10 mill. Also you can hit 1 geo symbol 1 time and max the dark knight, I've done it about 30 times now. The thing that makes this game so interesting is you can get the same results different ways. Thanks for watching though and don't forget to like and subscribe!
@@WinksontheWeekend you get +20% stats from a full 20 Foot Soldier squad So 10 millions extract + 20% from foot soldier = 12 Million Also I tested the Non LoC Martial Training 4 20*, if you have 20 Prinny Instructors and a character with Prinny Hat in the same squad, the character with the Prinny Hat can master classes in 1-2 runs Also Prinny Instruction was meant to be Prinny Instructor in my 1st comment
@@WinksontheWeekend I know I'm a bit late to the party, but as someone who is currently doing this right now with Christo and some random mobs... I have 20 people with prinny instructor and prinny hat all in footman group. They all have career master and workshop intern on as well as a 900 stat on Christo main weapon. Going into a LoC item at 20* and doing the geo blast on one of the symbols does NOT max sub classes like pirate/sage/etc. The base level of the LoC item, so level of item world before adding stars, makes a huge difference, unfortunately for me the base of my best is only 8643, if it were 9999 I'm sure it'd work. Edit: Quick note that even with the Job changer (an additional 40% class prof) and using LoC Sophia Mirror it isn't enough for 1 kill full class of dark knight. Altogether I'm doing: 20*, 9999 LoC item, 20 prinny instructor/hat in the same squad, career master, workshop intern, job changer, 900 stat on weapon.
@@ashy6617 I don't use the prinny instructor method so I can't really say anything on that method. You are correct though the level of the item does matter. I just used career master and turned exp all the way up in CS. It probably didn't even matter with the Exp turned up but I did it anyway on top of a lvl 900 statiscian. I was able to use the geo skill to instantly max subclasses. You're not the first person that has mentioned the prinny method to me though, I just don't use that method. Thanks for watching though and I appreciate your support!
Great video. Im stuck on the fight against the prinny lord . Before unlocking carnage. My guys are level 5000 and ive reincarnated tthem once with raised flag and the evilties for 10% stats. But everything i look up online for better stats, is after carnage. Any advice on beating the prinny lord to get into carnage?
Do statistians in the same armor/weapon stack or is it just 900 that you need? If not, would they stack if you combine monsters with a human with both having 900 statitans? What about having one stack of 900 statitians on each piece of gear? Or do you only need 900 and that's completely it?
@@arcaneomega1 Well, not useless. You could always put 1 on each character you are leveling. Plus its nice to have backups too. Disgaea 4 they do stack but they dont cap at 900. They cap at 300 in D4.
@@WinksontheWeekend Indeed! I figured with this guide and enough prep Im doing what's in this guide but x3...Usually there's a lot of geos on a map and so Im now able to do three humans at once meaning 10 monsters this is awesome!!
I was using the geosymbol method of subclassing, but I was not using magichange, so thanks for helping me include that. However, I don't see the necessity of career master. With no evilities, MANY subclasses still only need one geosymbol to max out, some take 2, but I don't think any take more than 3, is career master really worth the time?
@@WinksontheWeekend I got Career master two days back, but I didn't get it from the chara world bonus room, I got it from a random blue square on the chara world game board.
Idk what i do wrong i have the evility pro carrer and master carrer, go in carnage item world, with 1000% Cheat shop exp and 20 stars in cheat shop, and 4 monsters as weapons. But still dont master a subclass in one try by destroy the GEO. What do i miss? Maybe a Squad or something?
@@WinksontheWeekend it worked will a lvl 60 item 5 Times and than it didnt work anymore. Even with 3x exp assembly. I think dindt caculate right. Or there is a cap It work for my himanoid but all the monsters get 5,8 stars of 6
hey winks me again , i have made significant progress got a few 9999 one fully maxed subclass dark knight and now i’m working on mastering the sage and all her subs along with void and all his subs using the monster geo method, my question is i have roughly 30 to 40 chars when can i stop ? cause it seems like it’s taking forever, or do i just keep grinding to master every char and sub class.
@@WinksontheWeekend explain , i want to know is there a way to max a lot more along with sub classes at the same time cause tbh i can use monster geo method and max two ( with their sub classes) at a time i’m talking just characters not the monsters , and it’s kind of mind numbing, is their a faster way ?
@@meloveyoulongtime1050 no not that I am aware of currently that is the only way to my knowledge. Characters like usalia and and metallia ARE monsters that can be equipped as a monster though but if the are humanoid Characters then no
@@WinksontheWeekend reply also once i’m ready to reincarnate is the exlixer necessary? or can i improve stats without it until my character strong enough to get one to make in curry ? if u understand what i’m saying?
this method isn't working for me I don't understand why. I got the evility. I got geo destroyer. I got all 20 stars. duel magichange. sub classes set. and it only give me 4 stars. the last one gets hung up and takes 5 or 6 more pannles maybe it's the carnage item I'm useing?
it absolutely was the item. and a way to make this just a little faster. rasperil from the disgaea 3 pack has an evility you can buy from the skill place called "trash pickup" you can use Chara world to get a scroll of it. it gives you deathblow on objects in itemworld. so if there is no geopanle you can just smack an..item...statue thing. it's just as good!
@@WinksontheWeekend yea I did. so after alot of testing ot seems the rank of the item matters. so the better the item the more xp. I mean this isn't an issue becouse I soon as you unlock LOC just re max your alchamist (is max rank raises) and have him make a LoC eclir. it's a near max rank item. so not an issue just a factor I was unaware of
@@WinksontheWeekend lol, since you reply to these older threads. Just wanted to say good job, I picked up disgaea 5 again after about 3 years and replaying it all from scratch... Some things you share is helping refresh my memory and teacing me a few more things I didn't know so appreciate it... Not sure if I will play 6 I heard not as good so thinking tactics orgre or at least that first
@@timpodlich1261 thank you! Yeah I also am working backwards into older disgaea games. Going to be doing videos on 4 soon once I get a break from classes. Glad it was helpful.
