Dismantling the Final Boss of Trackmania Campaign - Tool Assisted

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E05-Endurance is the final boss of Trackmania Nations Forever's single player campaign. This video provides a glimpse into the past, present and future of (tool-assisted) speedruns on E05.
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Have a great day!
- Alex
Songs:
a) "Drifting at 432 Hz" by Unicorn Heads
b) "Heartbeat" by Doo
c) "Body And Attitude" by DJ Freedem
d) "Hydra" by Huma-Huma
e) "Kozah" by Cali4nia [NCS Release]
( • Kozah - Cali4nia [NCS ... )
f) "Nine Lives" by Unicorn Heads
g) "The Shining in Dubai" by Unicorn Heads
h) "Trancer" by Gunnar Olsen
i) "Cutting It Close" by DJ Freedem
j) "Sun Awakening" by Futuremono
k) "Lost In Prayer" by Doug Maxwell

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2 июл 2021

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@steffenaltmeier6602 3 года назад

impressive! you managed to get author medal!

@Oscwal Год назад

Wow!

@AlauahioMS 11 месяцев назад

xdd

@pierrecaillou9487 3 года назад

"Multiläp" :p Impressive video dude, this must have been some big fat thick track to TAS

@AlexanderB41 3 года назад

Thank you!

@silverboxxer 3 года назад

Great video! I never thought about doing 1 extra lap without respawning could then also be copy pasted 30 times lol, makes so much sense that it would immediately save a ton of time. Your uber to bounce off of the cp ring is still the most hilariously ridiculous thing ever, good luck to whoever has to replicate it!!

@AlexanderB41 3 года назад

Thanks! And yea, that ring bounce happened completely by chance. Also, I don't think someone will replicate it. If they hunted a new lap, they'd probably try to nosebug from the statue, as that might conserve more speed than the bounce, but the future will tell ;)

@Kya10 3 года назад

Woow, I had NO IDEA that E05 had a special boss music O_o

@Kettwiesel25 3 года назад

Me neither and I literally played that track for hours...

@eduardoalbornoz2718 3 года назад

neither,but i dont play with the game music,just open spotify and put a playlist

@green3814 2 года назад

bruh

@JstAnothrVirtuoso 3 года назад

Awesome video! That final replay is sick

@AlexanderB41 3 года назад

Thanks! It was partly your discord comment "is the second cut still worth it without respawning?" on the 45.64 which got me motivated to improve the approach.

@lxs_413 3 года назад

Great Video, gave me an in depth look into the creation of TAS runs, was really interesting. Weiter so

@AlexanderB41 3 года назад

Danke dir

@andi-ln4wi 3 года назад

absolutely sick video and definitely one of the best uber i've seen, good job !!

@AlexanderB41 3 года назад

Thanks a lot man ;)

@psclly 3 года назад

Well this is a gift I wasnt expecting

@andy02q 3 года назад

I guess several brute force sessions in combination with by hand tweaking to confirm whether a cut is possible is as close to humanly impossible as it gets.

@derpderpinson2509 3 года назад

Man, this is so cool to see. The track mania community and trackmania as a whole evolving week by week, its incredible. Fantastic work man. Keep up the incredible work and great content.

@AlexanderB41 3 года назад

Thanks a lot!

@danielgeld9813 3 года назад

Amazing vid Alex, would love to see more like this!!

@dominooo6658 3 года назад

I subscribed! Very entertaining video, what an achievement! :)

@wilswils4837 3 года назад

Alex! What a well put video, alot of detail without being boring or too much. It was simply a good balance between informative and nerdy. Thank you so much!

@AlexanderB41 3 года назад

Thank you! :)

@zzzFaw 3 года назад

really nice video, i appreciated the effort that went into the edit

@utkn 3 года назад

That statue/ring cp bounce is incredible, man. Good job edit: awesome music choice as well

@AlexanderB41 3 года назад

Thanks!

@Vaayyrii 3 года назад

This is an amazing video! Keep up the great work!

@AlexanderB41 3 года назад

Thx!

@VIP3Rx 3 года назад

this is an excellent video, love the narration, music and editing

@AlexanderB41 3 года назад

Thank you, I'm glad to hear you liked it!

@TheGraphitt 3 года назад

Good job dude! Great video.

@OrsVids 3 года назад

Amazing documentary! Beautiful final result! Keep it up :)

@AlexanderB41 3 года назад

Thanks man :)

@BlueskyFR_ 3 года назад

Amazing video! Keep it up!

@casual_sky2 3 года назад

Subbed! Great video... really enjoyed it

@AlexanderB41 3 года назад

Thanks! Glad you liked it

@terminator6716 3 года назад

fantastic video, really cool insight into the world of TAS

@AlexanderB41 3 года назад

Glad to hear!

@Kettwiesel25 3 года назад

Impressive video. You earned that sub for sure!

@chakra6666 3 года назад

super impressive video and amazing job with the TAS :)

@AlexanderB41 3 года назад

Thank you!

@aynyxamer 3 года назад

enjoyed a lot ! great work man

@PixelAspen 2 года назад

The real mvp is that friend who lend you the microphone. Great video

@Aanandkrs 3 года назад

This was great to watch... Thank you

@AlexanderB41 3 года назад

Glad you liked it!

@juneydapps8042 2 года назад

Sick video man

@thevoyager5171 3 года назад

Just in theory, you can connect first lap with second without loosing time for respawns, and then loop fast laps together for even faster time 1 lap from start and then you can control inputs to land on the same spot after final ring checkpoint and hopefully it would save even more time

@youjoushi Год назад

Great vid. Deserve's more views.

@tristan0012 3 года назад

Cool video, commenting for algorithm, hope you make more of these videos, Wirtual needs competition:)

@smbfelix9470 3 года назад

starkes Video, keep it up :)

@yoldmate5450 3 года назад

amazing work my guy thats awesome

@AlexanderB41 3 года назад

Thanks!

@snap_oversteer 3 года назад

Nicely done, hoping to see two lap cut soon :D

@nilsp9426 3 года назад

A round with both shortcuts that loops into itself would be a work of art. Maybe with some compromises you could set it up looping into itself pixel-perfectly on the starting straight. Does the tool provide exact position and speed data?

@AlexanderB41 3 года назад

Yes it does, feel free to try it! (It's the command toggle_info)

@Kreypossukr 3 года назад

Really good vid !

@wroomwroomboy123 3 года назад

"Grass slide" YES! Don't call it the filthy inferior name; bug slide ...ugh

@fuydestroyer1942 3 года назад

I think grasslide is weird cause you can grassslide on road, dirt, plastic

@RotakeR 3 года назад

@@fuydestroyer1942 But it was invented on grass and it was the main term untill certain streamers tried to change it for no reason

@fuydestroyer1942 3 года назад

@@RotakeR I know that but I feel bugslide is more inclusive

@snakely 3 года назад

@@fuydestroyer1942 bugslide sounds cringe, grassslide gang

@Wilker_uwu 3 года назад

it's not even a bug

@EdgeTM 3 года назад

Really well made video 👍

@zaulpander 3 года назад

great video

@anxs7168 3 года назад

Congratulations on getting the author medal🤝

@gbod6002 3 года назад

great video!

@gkoble 3 года назад

Nice video :)

@PersonOnYoutub. 3 года назад

This man deserves more subscribers

@lighty5738 3 года назад

Nice Job!

@xemorider2853 Год назад

brilliant work

@xemorider2853 Год назад

I will say though I don't know anything about how to tas but would love to learn

@letztertm1453 3 года назад

great stuff

@brunoparracho8102 3 года назад

This is just crazy goddamn

@Remyria 3 года назад

can't wait to see the no restart TAS :D

@WonderleagueLP 3 года назад

nices video bro weiter so

@thatguy772 3 года назад

If you manage to get the segment perfected from the last checkpoint on the first lap (so hitting the start line at speed) to the end of the second lap, that should be the perfect run just repeating that segment 59 times.

@RomanMlejnek 3 года назад

amazing documentary

@RomanMlejnek 3 года назад

I wonder if creating a flying lap that will start and finish exactly the same way (speed, angle...) make 60 lap ubers without respawns possible

@AlexanderB41 3 года назад

@@RomanMlejnek thanks! :) With current tools, no, as we have the problem to match position, rotation, speed in (x,y,z) direction to 10^-15 decimal places simultaneously, and afaik there are even more variables to match.

@SJKriptic 3 года назад

Take my Sub... that was awesome

@AlexanderB41 3 года назад

Thanks!

@slendi9623 3 года назад

Sick!

@trabadia 3 года назад

sick

@matthiaskritzinger5509 3 года назад

This deserves more views...

@oleksondrrr3755 3 года назад

Too nice

@biggiemac42 3 года назад

What is required to loop the TAS is just a perfect match to machine precision on all coordinates and velocities at _some point_ during the lap. I wonder how closely it can be made to match at the apex of the turn before the jump, for example

@jeremylakeman 3 года назад

Yeah, but again that's like winning the lottery multiple times in a row. Big numbers like that are ... well ... big.

@nitech4581 3 года назад

Finally you got Author Medal on E05! Yes, it was with TAS, but that wasnt matter, you did it! P. S. Yes, I know, Im a trashtalker.

@catgirldoll 3 года назад

Why not use a memory snooper such as Cheat Engine to identify exact location, orientation and movement values? In theory you could find/create a point at which everything other than time is identical between the first and second laps. After that you can add on the rest of the first lap, then copy and paste the whole second lap another 58 times. It would less than two laps worth of unique inputs with no respawns.

@see3655 2 года назад

I don't know anything about TASing but given how simple the steering in this game is, I'd imagine this would be very hard to accomplish. If I'm not mistaken, trackmania stores the position of the car to 9 decimals of precision, matching that somewhere while also having the same amount of speed just seems impossible

@catgirldoll 2 года назад

@@see3655 not necessarily, given frame-perfect inputs and revisions. Also you could write a script to try with slight variations with the goal of matching speed/position/rotation values, similar to the one used for difficult tricks in the current TAS tool

@Nolaf9 3 года назад

Ya know that instead of restarting at every single lap you can slow down in one specific point to have the same line and speed and then copy paste 1 lap.

@Shweetz 3 года назад

Grear video man ! I was thinking of doing something like this Wirtual style for my NASCAR The Nomad TASes (I did 2 of them) but with a terrible accent and without a good microphone I gave up on it and made it all text to read, which is less effort to make but less interesting to watch. I'm glad you pulled it off, result is just great ! Maybe there would be some volunteers in the discord to do the voice-over for big projects in case someone like me needs it haha

@AlexanderB41 3 года назад

Thank you! I had the same worries as of non-fluent english and a bad mic, but for the first bit, actually Delete Club motivated me to "just do it" as the talking would get more fluent during the recording; and for the second bit I was luckily able to borrow a mic from a friend. So maybe I can motivate you to also just do it! If you like, also with your own voice. That will imo make you feel more lucky than if someone voiced over your video.

@Laiteux 3 года назад

@@AlexanderB41 My girlfriend and I were wondering... Where are you from? We really like your accent, not kidding (: Some guess: Germany? Edit: Just noticed your game is in Dutch, so I guess I was right :D

@AlexanderB41 3 года назад

@@Laiteux Thx, you were right: I'm from Germany and so is the ingame language :D

@iRWQFSFASXCi Год назад

nice

@giraty50 3 года назад

I'm wondering instead of respawning every lap, is it that hard to slow down a little bit to match speed of standing start at certain point before first jump to save time?

@Laiteux 3 года назад

Amazing video, I REALLY enjoyed it a lot! If I had a single bad thing to say tho, it would be that when you switch from voice narration to music, the volume is way higher and forces me to lower it. Great video anyway, thanks for it (:

@AlexanderB41 3 года назад

Thanks! And also thx for feedback, yeah multiple people told me that. Will take that into consideration next time.

@rektardin42069 3 года назад

Ai that puts you in the middle + slows down exactly at same speed of the FIRST lap, that way you can "connect it" and make it without respawn

@loupphok 3 года назад

First, amazing video, I am so impressed! I am asking one thing. Do you think it's possible to recreate the perfect same condition at the beggining of the TAS lap? Like not res at the second lap then release at the first turns and trying to recreate the exact same position with the exact same angle with the exact same speed to recreate the uber, THEN copy and paste this over and over to make a non res TAS?

@AlexanderB41 3 года назад

With current tools, no, as you have to match the position to 10^-15 decimals. And that includes position, rotation, speed in (x,z) already, all simultaneously.

@loupphok 3 года назад

@@AlexanderB41 What about recreate a perfect double uber BUT with a wall hug at the start on one of the 2 turns somewhere, with this, if you try to match the car of the 2nd lap with the first one, you get rid of the angle and the position of the car (except the x cords), only the speed?

@SirCatsal0t 3 года назад

Wouldnt it be possible to have them link up better by for example utilizing the second booster on the track? If you could line up the car to have the exact same speed and positioning before the second booster as in a normal one lap run you could potentially save like 1-3 minutes from not having to accelerate from 0kph every lap, then after you could loop the run from that position.

@ThatSkiFreak 3 года назад

Nice video, some of the music was really loud compared to your voice though :/ Was a fun watch :)

@AlexanderB41 3 года назад

Thanks, and also for the volume hint. Will mix that more carefully next time

@wiidipod9490 3 года назад

Wow, very nice video! Only criticism I can give is that maybe the music was a little loud in comparison with you voice. Especially at 8:00 for example.

@AlexanderB41 3 года назад

Thanks! And ye, at the showcase parts without voice, I wanted to make the music a bit louder than just "background music", but I agree that it is too loud at some voiced parts. Thx for sharing that

@benappleton1554 3 года назад

Kid: mom can we get some wirtual Mom: we have wirtual at home Lol jk gr8 vid keep it up

@ramilahdensuo1754 Год назад

Great work. Can't you stabilize the cars speed and placement before the jump for the second lap? So it matches the setup of the first lap and could be copied?

@AlexanderB41 Год назад

Thank you! So far, noone was able to do it. Unfortunately, you have to match several variables (position, rotation, speed, ...) exactly to the 0.000000000000001, but can only change the steering and throttle (on/off) every 0.01 seconds.

@fotheon-9955 3 года назад

pog

@shellrockguy9761 2 года назад

To make a run with no respawns, would you just need to make 2 TAS laps, 1 being the first lap starting from 0 speed, and the second being a lap with the starting speed from the previous laps ending speed (the start and finish speeds/position would need to be the same). Then you can just copy paste the 2nd lap. I don’t know much about TAS so forgive me if this is dumb

@bigsmartfish 3 года назад

Now just time for someone to make a flying lap of e05 with all of these cuts, which might actually even get easier and faster with more speed.

@Aygeu 3 года назад

I mean laps 2-60 can just be the same if you make the ending at exactly the same position and speed each time.

@victoryfirst06 3 года назад

Can someone help me? I tried to download the TM interface beta by donadigo, but I cannot download it. It says it contains a virus, and I am afraid my computer will get wrecked then.

@AlexanderB41 3 года назад

That's a common issue. Not sure anymore how I fixed it, so I'd recommend to ask that in the support section of the Discord server.

@alaeriia01 3 года назад

1:47 riolu mode activated

@Mikowmer 3 года назад

Right. Now do it for a flying lap.

@EnergiaRocket 3 года назад

Absolutely sick tas bro As for the video itself, but I find the extreme difference in volume between voice and music quite annoying. I have to turn down the volume each time music starts, and then back up to understand the voice.

@WorldEngine64 Год назад

You could try the first turn after lap 1 pixel perfect and then link it from there

@digimbyte 3 года назад

HOLY SHIT MAN - do you CHECK your AUDIO LEVELS???? MY GOD DAMN EARS are bleeding and I'm using speakers!

@abizkit94 3 года назад

I am pretty sure you could do the "optimal" run saving another 4s per lap without having to brute-force or manually adjust each lap. It should be enough to get a very good second lap but ensureing that the position and speed at the end of this running lap is identical to the position and speed when the running lap began. Then just the same copy-paste as before. It might even be possible to adapt the lap you already optimized with running start. Taking later parts of this starting lap and just splicing it together with the inputs for a running lap from the start position on. Would be nice to see you do this :D

@wicowan 2 года назад

the thning is that even if trackmania is a deterministic game, a small change results in big change after some time, I don't know it's actually possible to make the car at the same place with the same speed, what I mean is that a tiny change would result in failing the uber for example

@abizkit94 2 года назад

@@wicowan Since you are already TASing I see no problem using cheatengine to extract position, orientation and speed at the checkpoint and tweaking the ending of your lap to perfectly meet the start of the same lap. The hard part here would be finding these data using cheatengine and maybe bruteforcing or manually adjusting the ending of the running lap for that perfect meeting. Speed should not be a problem if you end the lap too fast you can break/release, if you are too slow on the other hand you need more brute force.

@indignantbear4829 3 года назад

what if the second uber bug let you land on the road nose first and nose bug through the final checkpoint...

@AlexanderB41 3 года назад

I tried it, but seems too hard/not even possible

@unbreakablefootage 3 года назад

i was able to perfectly align my car up on one axis to 10 digit decimal precision. using keyboard. with just about 4-5 small taps. i think its possible to concatenate without respawn ;)

@spacenoodles5570 3 года назад

Would it be possible to brush up against a wall to reset your position instead of respawning? That way you would only have to match the speed to sync the next lap

@spacenoodles5570 3 года назад

Have to say btw, this was an amazing video, hope you do more

@AlexanderB41 3 года назад

@@spacenoodles5570 Thanks! And yes, that idea was already taken into consideration, but it turned out to be (for now) impossible too, since you still have to match the position of the car in the forward direction perfectly. Or to phrase it differently, your car would have to drive along that wall still in an exact time difference of x.xx0000000000 seconds to the lap before.

@spacenoodles5570 3 года назад

@@AlexanderB41 And brute forcing each uberbug is out of the question? Even if you get it on one lap without respawning that will already save a lot of time

@AlexanderB41 3 года назад

@@spacenoodles5570 as a community project, it is indeed feasible. If say 30 people work on it, everyone just has to do the same things i did twice.

@SeleverEnjoyer 3 года назад

But isnt it just 2 laps you should made like 1 lap without the start speed and then another lap with speed and then repeat?

@fredrikdagsvik7863 3 года назад

I cant help but feel that the no-respawn time should be possible. if you can at some point right before the uberbug, maybe on the ramp right before, match the exact position and speed of the car as compared to the previous lap you could copy paste from that moment to make a loop with no respawn. Although i'm no trackmania expert it seems intuitivelly feasable.

@Lilian13550 3 года назад

Very nice video :) The idea of TASing ''only'' a second lap and letting it loop 58x has been put aside right? Because you'd need to end the lap exactly where you finished it. But what if in the straight line at the start/finish, you bruteforce with car position + speed as targets to get it similar as the previous lap? Let the algo run days/weeks until it finds out a THE proper setup end enjoy :D

@AlexanderB41 3 года назад

Yea, it is still too precise, too many variables too all be matched to 10^-15 decimals.

@Lilian13550 3 года назад

@@AlexanderB41 OK shame. Can you explain for someone who has no clue where this 10^-15 decimals comes from? Intuitively I would say that TM counts only until 1e-4s or something and that the placement of the can't be more precise than ''1 pixel'' whatever that means :D but that it doesn't store values with that many digits.

@limitetpancake9459 3 года назад

how about you make a savestate at the end of lap 1, and do a second lap, with the shortcuts, and then try to match the end of that lap, to the first, and copy paste it from there

@shutupanddance2004 3 года назад

Would you rather win a lotery 32 times in a row or do very fast time on 1 track in a videogame?

@AlexanderB41 3 года назад

Winning a lottery 32 times would probably get you into serious trouble with the betting offices

@gauravundirwade7857 3 года назад

Subscribed. When is new video coming? Little suggestion: voice and music was at different level. I had to lower volume at music. But good video overall. I enjoyed 😇

@AlexanderB41 3 года назад

Thanks, glad you enjoyed! This is a bit late answer, so the question when a new vid is coming is outdated i guess

@psclly 3 года назад

Where did you get the replay files for the TAS runs? I'm darn jealous

@AlexanderB41 3 года назад

Well, originally (the start) from Hefest :D Also I just added the final replay in the description.

@psclly 3 года назад

@@AlexanderB41 I meant for the little compilation you did in the middle. From what I know tas replays aren't supposed to be distributed, so I'm wondering how you got hold of the original replays

@wroomwroomboy123 3 года назад

@@psclly shhh ;)

@AlexanderB41 3 года назад

@@psclly Edit: Ahh, you mean 12:07 probably. I asked the drivers on Discord. In that regard, my experience is that the majority of players are willing to share their TAS runs.

@psclly 3 года назад

@@AlexanderB41 I have never even touched trackmania discords, but I'm not surprised they exist

@Psychomaniac14 3 года назад

I think that people will stop actively trying to add laps to each respawn after it gets to 10 laps per respawn, because then, adding another lap isn't enough to save a respawn, you would need to add 2 laps to save a respawn, and it only gets worse from there

@AlexanderB41 3 года назад

Yep, that's a natural thought, my experience with the TM community gives me the feeling though that we will TAS all 60 laps, even despite the last 30 laps only granting you -4s :)

@Psychomaniac14 3 года назад

@@AlexanderB41 I'm not saying that we won't, just that people won't try as hard