Disney's Star Wars Is Embarrassing 

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The worst part? As Andor shows, you don't even need to make a show feel particularly like Star Wars for people to see it. You don't need the Force. Or jedi. Or lightsabers. Or Tatooine. Or The Millenium Falcon. Or Han Solo. You can make a Star Wars show that lacks all of that, and people will still want to watch it. All you need is for it to be... good.

I'd argue they killed it by letting a trio of directors create a trilogy of movies without them apparently ever even talking to each other, much less figuring out a coherent plan for how their movies would fit together... So basically, The Last Jedi killed Star Wars, and Rise of Skywalker was the coffin it was buried in.

to quote some hack frauds: "how does it feel to see all your favorite franchises crash down and burn?"

It's more than embarrassing, it's depressing that out of all the ways they could have gone, with all the resources and lore at their disposal, they just threw it out. At least it's easy to ignore Disney SW, I kept my books and comics.

Putting a chunk of The Mandalorian plot in the impressively terrible Boba Fett show was something it never bounced back from. I still don't understand why they did that.

The only thing Disney knows how to do is overexpose something until we get sick of it. They are like Sid in Toy Story breaking their toys

The core problem of Disneys star wars is that they are a risk averse company, and as such run and write their stories and brand that way. The best example is the Boba Fett show, where a gruff merc who has no allegiances to anyone gets retconned into a bumbling nice guy, destroying his character and broke the story before it had even started. Star Wars as a franchise was built off of risks, and now its safe, predictable and boring. It's everything it shouldn't be.

When did Star Wars die? When Disney decided to make the trilogy without a plan.

The problem with Solo wasn't lacking Ford. Fans simply wanted something authentic which Disney is incapable of doing. Getting an actor that looks like young Ford would have helped (there was one guy that people wanted) but the main issue is that it didn't feel like Star Wars. This is the problem with all of Disney's stuff. It simply doesn't feel like Star Wars. It feels less like Star Wars than fan films. This goes deeper than a lack of soul.

Apathetic is correct. I logged out of D+ last month and I wasn't even the one paying for it. It's not just Star Wars but Disney content in general.

Don’t think so much, Husk. Just consume the ever flowing stream of content and acquire endless piles of plushies and LEGOs and ignore the entire concept of quality.

Star Wars died for me when I watched Episode 8. That movie was trash and it showed that Disney was going to continue to ruin it.

Star Wars died when they didn't give the entire franchise over to Genndy Tartakovsky.

*Reject Disney canon.* *Embrace the Star Wars Expanded Universe.* So much more detail, so much more passion, so much more effort and talent.

Honestly, it's offensive how they took audiences for granted thinking anything with the star wars name would sell. Not saying general audiences are smart, but they shouldn't be understimated either.

I've got a friend that compulsively tears apart media because the way he cares is the hell of coming up with ways for it to be better and being powerless to update the thing with his improvements beyond fanfiction and forum ranting. That's why Star Wars fans "hate" Star Wars, they love it so much that it angers them when it sucks. Similarly, people in fanbase, while outsiders might see them as odd, are also seen by outsiders as authorities. If you want to watch a funny B-movie horror flick to rag on with friends, you go and ask the person that swears by their VHS collection if they have any suggestions. Logically then, if a common consumer asks a Star Wars fan "Is there a Star Wars movie I should watch before I see this Acolyte show?" they will be told, "Skip that one, it teased a sequel it's never going to get. We should start by watching the movies called episodes 4-6, and see what if anything you end up liking about them." and the common consumer will not watch Acolyte.

I will never forgive Star Wars for taking an excellent non-Jedi story and ruining it with annoying Jedi. It was so nice to see an average guy (as average as you can be in such a dangerous universe).

People didn’t hate “Solo” because Harrison Ford wasn’t in it, they hated it because it took a huge steaming dump on the character.

Porgs were a necessary add on coming about almost by accident. They shot episode 8 on an Irish island that was also a puffin nature preserve. In order to film there at all they could not disturb the puffins, and they ended up in the background of nearly every shot. They invented Porgs as a way to explain away the Puffins. digitally changing all the background puffins to Porgs, or leaving them out of focus.

Mfw the best piece of Star Wars media from Disney (Andor) has no mention of the Force in it, Its almost as if the Jedi and Sith shouldn't be the main focus of everything.

Star Wars died when disney started viewing it as a means for furthering their profit margins and not as a story held dear to people since childhood. So basically, it died when they bought it.

Another way Solo died is the reshoots. It was originally helmed by Lorde and Miller, a more comedic duo responsible for the lego movie. But midway through shooting they had a falling out with Disney and Ron Howard was brought in. This led to massive reshoots that pushed the budget up and delays. Because of this. Solo not only ended up with a 250 million dollar budget but had an early May 2018 release that had it competing against Avengers Infinity War still riding high in theatres. Disney shot itself in the foot in so many ways with that movie. The movie itself is fine. Just fine. Has its fun moments and is an okay choice if you have nothing else to watch. RIP Star wars

Never thought I'd see the day where a *Transformers* movie is treated with more respect and creative storytelling than most Star Wars media in the last few years

The one profitable thing that Disney did with Star Wars is Grogu AKA Baby Yoda. Since there's a Mandalorian movie coming up soon, that also means Grogu returns too and there will be tons and tons of ads, food products, clothes, toys, and other merchandise. You thought there was a lot of Baby Yoda stuff before? Buddy you ain't seen nothing yet!

Star Wars, halo, Game of Thrones, Alien and Lord of the rings have given every Nerd trust issues.

About five years ago, they promised me a Rogue Squadron movie. Then they killed it . 30 years ago I read a book about Thrawn. They have yet to make a movie with him in it. Fuck shows with 6 expisode seasons that should have been movies.

Disney star wars being bad? they bought the thing because nerds still had faith, but it was a means to another toy end

On the plus side, the Holiday Special doesn't seem nearly as bad anymore, especially with the Rifftrax commentary.

Perhaps all the "dead" franchises, Star Wars included, will be able to live again when they're put in the hands of the average joe through the public domain

*The Last Jedi should have made more than The Force Awakens.* *The Han Solo movie should have broken even.* *The Rise of Skywalker should have made two billion dollars.* *The Boba Fett show should have been a major success.* *Yet here we are.*

For all these long running franchises, it isn't that the original stuff was perfect and flawless. We know that. It's that the people making it cared about the fans and the legacy they were creating and/or following, so they worked to make their stories worthy. The new people making content for these IPs seem to have contempt for the fans and legacy of the property. They only care about themselves and putting out their personal stories, whether it fits or not.

at this point you could put a literal rock in charge of star wars and it would outperform kathleen kenedy

The porg comment got me good. They were cute for what they were. The rest of the terrible parts of that movie far outweighed the mild annoyance of porgs.

I can't believe how they messed this up. They literally had hundreds of really good expanded universe books to pull from. They could have easily adapted many of those into movies or show. Instead they threw it all out. What a waste

I saw a “worst insult” comment that I’ll deeply remember for the rest of my life: “I hope your favorite franchise gets bought by Disney” This shit hurts as Alien and Predator fan

There were really good Star Wars mobile games that Disney killed just to maintain EA exclusivity. Star Wars: Uprising was excellent. Disney murdered it.

15:14 With what sauce?

It's crazy how hard it is for a company as big as Disney to understand a simple concept. Bad movies, games, etc. = less big fans that will basically be a marketing department to casuals = less people seeing the movies and buying games and merch. Like this is really not rocket science, they have everything they need to succeed, just make decent media and the money will roll in.

I think what bothers me is how many of these shows can't be pitched without a reference. If I have to do homework to fully understand why your show is a big deal, that's not a show, it's a fan wiki.

The biggest misstep with post-2014 _Star Wars_ was not bad writing, but Lucasfilm's employees actively bullying and vilifying fans who criticized said bad writing. Because Disney itself is more interested in the brand making a profit than how it goes about doing so, they didn't dole out any punishment, resulting in the general public getting the idea in their minds that it's perfectly fine to bully _Star Wars_ fans, regardless of what their school taught them about not bullying others.

I completely agree on the apathy part. I used to enjoy watching youtubers like Critical Drinker shit talk Disney slop, but I find myself not caring anymore.

It’s not even that they don’t respect the fans, it’s that they don’t actually have a creative vision, a story they want to tell. They just want to make something as standard as possible so it will make as much money as possible

To me, it was clear that Disney wringing the neck of the golden goose till it was dead was not a matter of 'if' but 'when,' especially once they announced the Marvel approach of releasing a stream of mainline and side movies in short (12-24 month) order, along with the TV shows.

One thing everyone can agree on is attacking fans directly and actually literally telling them to stop watching was not doing Disney Star Wars any favors. I noticed this trend with The Last Jedi, and it got worse from there.

Film industry: im literally dying without money, and it gets worse when i try to earn more Video Game industry: first time?

JJ Abrams already explained the problem. He, Kathy and Disney never had a plan to begin with... Years later, I still cannot quite comprehend that... .

"The opposite of love isn't hate, it's apathy." is a raw fucking line

I thank Disney everyday for ruining Star Wars cause I think this is why there is so much more interest in Warhammer 40k universe nowadays.

One thing new fans should keep in mind is, if Disney was willing to deliberately push away the old fans, they will eventually push them out too. Why be a fan of something that will eventually, deliberately reject you?

I honestly feel bad for Andor Season 2. The entire hopes and dreams of Star Wars fans has to rest solely upon it, instead of being spread out among different projects. We all know that super heighten expectations leads to a tougher ability to met those expectations. I hope that those working on it and those eventually watching it take that into consideration. That being said, I think it’ll be just as good as the first season!

Look up the recent Concord interviews about "Toxic Positivity" in the production. That's what's happening to a lot of Hollywood.

You hit the nail on the head with the apathy point. Sadly, with this generation of Star Wars, new fans will be indifferent to this abysmal content and the franchise will either have a slow death, or a transform into something unrecognizable to classic Star Wars even worse than it currently is.

The bleeding started with Rian Johnson. There were issues, JJ did not do anybody any favors with his first movie, but there was a lot that could have been built off of and some of the bad stuff could have been swept aside by a writer that had more talent than ego. Johnson was riding higj before his star wars movie. Everything he touched was turning to gold and he was given a sub par set up for a movie. So, instead of running with the sub par start he decided to slam the reset button. He had to keep the characters and the overall plot but everything he could cut was cut. He believed he could save star wars and instead he left a second movie in a trilogy with no ties to the first and no story set up for the third. The last movie was awful but there was never any hope for it. Then we got Mando. Mando was great, Mando sold toys, Mando was popular. So, like most idiotic leadership, they teathered everything they could to the successful thing hoping it would drag everything else along with it rather than drag it down like what ALWAYS happens. Throw in Boba Fett and then tie his series to it. Throw in Luke then Ashoka and have their series tie into it. Mando became a bloated mess as the talentless hacks clung on to it for dear life. It drowned as a result. So, movies failed, good tv series were failing, what is a moronic exec to do? Burn it all! If nothing seems to work throw as much into the pipe and hope something sticks. Doesn't matter if it makes sense, if it is even remotely related to the IP, or has any relation to anything in the universe, we are bleeding gotta rip at the wound to heal it! So, everything became rushed. Movies that were obviously supposed to be movies got stretched into TV series because MOAR! Every character gets a spin off! Hype is all we have, pump the member berries! Now nobody cares. They beat the dead horse until it became dust and are still trying to sell dust rides at $50 a pop. Disney Star Wars is over. Star Wars as an IP is not though. There are a LOT of good stories a passionate studio or fan could adapt and make work. Fans will come back, just not for Disney anymore. Sell it off, spin it into its own company, then use existing stories (and stick to them!!!) and fans will return. Disney won't do that though, $50 dust ride until they put it in their vault and try releasing it once a moon until it seems popular again is all we have to look forward to.

It's impressive how Disney killed star wars and marvel at the same time

Corporate greed will always suck the creativity and originality out of a lucrative franchise.

Im still baffled that they bought a billion dollar franchise and didnt even bother to flesh out what was going to happen in the new trilogy before they made the movies

Mandalorian went from good show to "The Grogu Show" because that works on the "Mom" demographic.

As one of those former Star Wars super fan weirdos, it’s refreshing to hear someone explain why the entire franchise has lost that spark that used to make it feel special to people like myself without using all the tired culture war rhetoric. You didn’t blame it on “wokeness”, you didn’t point the finger at an apathetic fan base when with cries of racism and sexism. You pointed out the real culprit that’s responsible for killing off so many of it things people used to be so passionate about: corporate greed and inflated egos. With all the gaslighting and vitriol these days, i like a lot of other fans of various ice great IPs just checked out. I don’t get angry, i sure as heck don’t get excited. I just don’t care anymore

Finally someone whose saying this without trying to push a political message

*You need another entire trilogy to restore the reputation of Star Wars.*

Star wars didn't just die....it was MURDERED!!!

Everyone who said the Star Wars Prequel Trilogy was terrible quite frankly needs to apologize.

I feel like this is a bigger problem with a lot of media rn. Because companies have to be hyper focused on "line go up" they try and play things safer and safer which ends up just creating bad slop. The best movies that have come out in the past few years have been ones that have gone against the rest of the industry and audiences are starting to tune into that. People actually want quality but that involves taking risks which a company with fiduciary responsibilities will never take

Star Wars needs to be taken away from Disney

🎶The power of ONE (season) The power of TWO (people actually watching) The power of CAAAANCEEEELEEED 🎵

They Killed Star Wars with The Last Jedi & how they treated and killed off Luke Skywalker. It really is that simple.

Disney killed Star Wars right at Force Awakens. That is the truth. People simply started to notice the decay a bit later. And the casuals, the people who don't care and just turn their brain off never realized it was dead until they subconsciously lacked the will to watch more of one of their series.

Star Wars has been one of the big pillars of my childhood. I especially got into it around the time the prequels released and watched the hell out of Episode 3 and Clone Wars. I still remember the hype I felt when the first Battlefront reboot released and Episode 7 got into the cinemas and I really miss that feeling. It's been years since I've been somehow excited about Star Wars and I really wish for a game or show with a world and story that I can lose myself in again. There has been nothing that ignited that spark again for about 7 years now for me. It's a damn shame, really

Star Wars was declared dead in 1999, 2002 and 2005, this is nothing new. A large number of Star Wars games were complete garbage at that time too. They just need to stomp on the brakes and let the franchise cool off for 10-15 years or so.

The only bit of SW that i still appreciate is Rogue One and Andor. But even watching something good, it's hard to not remember that all roads now are leading to the sequel trilogy.

Until Disney sells off Marvel and Star Wars and refocuses their attention on animation, I will not have much optimism for their future.

Disney look longing at the Star Wars Christmas Special, wishing they could think up something as good.

Eric Cartman as Kathleen Kennedy is never not funny

Disney probably took Star Wars fans for granted, thinking that they’ll gobble up anything with the Star Wars name on it. They instead tried to market the franchise to the rare kind of people who didn’t already like Star Wars, which apparently was the Tumblr audience.

Everything bad that can be said about modern Hollywood you can find in 2024 in Star Wars. Bad writers, bad CGI, overblown budgets, toxic crew/cast members attacking fans on social media, so on and so forth. All of this and more is found in Star Wars. It's no wonder nobody cares anymore.

“And in other news, scientists have discovered that most things that get rained on tend to get wet.”

I love how Disney is scratching there heads till they bleed trying to think of a story while (I am not paraphrasing when I say this) a mountain of material in "legends".

Disney made star wars less badass and more of a joke brand. Star wars going to die out in a couple generations.

Disney Star Wars is literal fan fiction. I refuse to phrase it any other way and I WILL die on that hill.

I find it funny that they genuinely managed to ressurect Star Wars's reputation after episode 9 (with mando and the final season of clone wars), only to immediately burn it down again.

It’s absolutely insane to me that they screwed up merchandising. I remember as a kid with Phantom Menace to Revenge of the Sith most of the stuff you consumed that was good was outside the movies. Jedi Power Battles, Pod Racer, Jedi Starfighter, Dark Forces I and II, Jedi Outcast I and II, Battlefront I and II, Empire at War, Republic Commando, Knights of the Old Republic I and II…those are just the best, there are others that were still pretty good but not amazing like Phantom Menace, Bounty Hunter, Shadows of the Empire, Battle for Naboo, hell the Twisted Metal derby game they made was pretty fun even. Since Disney got their hands on it and gave it to EA we’ve had two mediocre Battlegrounds, a mediocre Squadrons, an okay Jedi Fallen Order, a pretty good Jedi Survivor, and an Ubislop Jedi Outlaws. In ELEVEN YEARS. And that’s just the games, they screwed this up in all other avenues including toys, books, comics, etc. Unbelievable.

What do you mean dead? What do you mean when you say “Star Wars is dead”? Most Star Wars stuff is still successful, they’re still making lots of projects with books, comics, and shows. Soon, more video games too. Lots of people are still into the lore too.

I think the problem is writers who refuse to build a story from the ground up. All of the new stuff (except Andor) has a problem of clearly being written with a few moments in mind, then writing a sloppy story around those moments.

I see Disney star wars as fanfiction, very bad fanfiction, just because you own the IP doesn't mean what you make is canon.

“Too much of anything is annoying, but too much of a bad thing is really annoying.” Every streaming company on the planet needs to hear that.

You're right, I don't give a shit.

The Part that really annoys me is they did a disney did a trio of really good star wars movies. They just happen to be called guardians of the galaxy. Seriously get a good director, have them write the three movies as a solid vision, and do them at the same time so you can actually follow a plot line without your cast dying (drops rose at both leia and ackbars grave). and yes Tem and Ming deserve more love and more kicking of ass.

At least Star Trek has Strange New Worlds and Lower Decks

I don't think Disney has handled the franchise perfectly but to put it all the blame solely on Kathleen Kennedy's feet when Bob Iger was the person that chose to throw out the Lucas' treatments for an ST, and also rush the movies so they could make their profit back as quickly as possible, you start to understand the issue is larger than a single woman. On the streaming side of things, most of the shows aren't as bad as people make it out to be. It's more of an issue that they're not all good enough to be must watches, so you end up with a lot of shows that do have an audience but don't capture the masses. Also the jab at Leslye is really cheap, there is nothing to indicate she knew what her boss was up, as an Acolyte fan I would've liked to see more of her vision and I respect those that don't want that but we can criticize the show without resorting to cheap character assassination.

its 100% over saturation what did we get after episode 3 ? some really good games books and the clone wars TV show.

Embarrassing is putting it lightly. It's a disgrace to film and a microcosm of everything that's gone wrong with Western Civilization.

Star wars was killed by bad writing...it's not that hard people.

Andor is the ONLY reason I still care at all about anything new from Star Wars. My entire friend group agrees. We're done watching child friendly toy commercials dressed up like a sci-fi/space opera. After Andor Season 2, we'll probably be done with the franchise unless they start making some more intelligent, adult focused content.

This makes think about the idea of being a fan and at some point you have to look at the thing you like and ask "Do I still like this?". I did that with Paper Mario, I just decided "No I don't like these games any more, I'll just play the old ones that I know I like and ignore anything new".

Disney+ should thank its lucky stars it has Bluey - a show Disney doesn’t even produce.

They killed it the moment they decided to decanonize nearly 40 years of established canon in the Expanded Universe for... whatever this is.

We tried warning you since 2017 but you wouldn't listen

ngl seeing all of those big media corporations just lose money left and right but still existing makes me feel that some companies are legit to big to fail

It’s so refreshing to hear someone talk about how shitty this franchise is doing without having to resort to the Anti-Woke BS.