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Ditch that ICM! 2004+ Sportster Stand Alone Ignition System 

Chuck's Cycles
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We got the Sportster running! I wanted to make the 2004+ motor run like a normal Harley and I think we got it!
Disclaimer: This is just an experiment for my own purposes. If you try some of these things and blow your motor up, its on you. Only let someone who knows what they are doing work on your bike!

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@wolfeyes9357
@wolfeyes9357 2 года назад
Sportsters,,, Ironheads and Evos ....the best HD's!
@Scummy_shovel
@Scummy_shovel 5 месяцев назад
This is genius. I was so disappointed when I took the primary off and seen they got rid of the trap door. Then when I took that “ignition” cover off I regretted doing all the work chopping this thing up. I never even considered everything would be the same aside from the cover. This has gave me great hope 🙏👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼
@SaddleTrampTV
@SaddleTrampTV Год назад
Just some helpful advice on installing the intake. Some grease on the seal makes it easier for them to evenly fall into place without any pulling or stretching on the material. Also before torquing down the flange bolts, you're gonna want to mount the carburetor to the engine with the backing plate bolted to the motor. That way the intake will be aligned correctly before running the flange bolts all the way down. Without doing so, the intake can eventually crack. Lastly, the flanges need to be ran down evenly, or it could result in them warping and having intake leak issues. Just trying to help.
@CarlosAnthonyLopez
@CarlosAnthonyLopez Год назад
Your videos are awesome and very helpful. Thanks for making them!
@billtheharleyguy2307
@billtheharleyguy2307 Год назад
great video i love watching these types of videos as i am currently working on my 1988 sportster 1200 that i am hard tailing, watching channels like this one gives me more InSite as to what direction i want to go with my build.
@Njsl-u7o
@Njsl-u7o Год назад
Thanks dude. You're the man. Exactly the content i'm looking for in awhile. Cheers from Guadeloupe (French West Indies). 🤜🏼🤛🏼
@driftking9844
@driftking9844 Месяц назад
Hi there mate. Thankyou for the really great walk through video. Mi friend and I have been up against the same Tom foolery ignition trouble and looking to do the same. Now we know the solution. Many thanks and look forward to seeing the follow up. Best wishes, Jase.
@chrisrhoy
@chrisrhoy 2 года назад
Great video. Wow man, the commentary and the thought process made complete sense. The VOES would have escaped me, but you nailed it. Thanks for posting this sort of content. I’m in the market right now and this is precisely why I’m looking for a 99-03, plus the rigid mount. Thanks again.
@ChucksCycles
@ChucksCycles 2 года назад
It was kind of fun to figure out but If I ever build another sportster it will pre 03. Way easier to deal with.
@Jrush-kc2tp
@Jrush-kc2tp 3 года назад
Very impressive man!! Learn a ton. Love the channel! Keep it up
@ChucksCycles
@ChucksCycles 3 года назад
awesome, Thanks for watching!
@BillTheHarleyGuy
@BillTheHarleyGuy Год назад
i have been working on my 1988 sportster 1200 and thank god it's not fuel injected but doing a lot of upgrades and the ignition is going to be one of them,,great video 👍
@robruns149
@robruns149 2 года назад
Chuck is da man! Nice work my friend
@hokaheyrider059
@hokaheyrider059 Год назад
Just found you. Great video. No BS just taking care of business. Thanks.
@marcoflores8952
@marcoflores8952 4 месяца назад
Nice work Chuck! Will do that to mine!
@TONYJUD57
@TONYJUD57 Год назад
Hey Man, This is fantastic, Just learned a hell of a lot, I'm running a Twinky 1450 and i have a new cam cone and kit for Dyna 2000i, no more sensors and all the shit that goes with em. YeeeHaa.
@franciscovilla9203
@franciscovilla9203 2 года назад
Thanks dude. I learned a lot.
@jimscycleandautotn8508
@jimscycleandautotn8508 2 года назад
Nice work brother ,and thank you for being a oathtaker . 🇺🇸
@ChucksCycles
@ChucksCycles 2 года назад
Thank you! and thanks for watching.
@jimscycleandautotn8508
@jimscycleandautotn8508 2 года назад
@@ChucksCycles yea man , we gota stick together . ever in west tn holler brother 👊
@kidsinthewoods09
@kidsinthewoods09 2 года назад
Nice work.
@David-og7di
@David-og7di 2 года назад
Good man! Simplifying electronics takes no small amount of thinking through; this is a 2004.....now imagine the rubbish my late model Piaggio scooter needs to function?! Fortunately my 1995 FXD is reverse engineerable all the way back to points....not that Id want to do that. Rubber Sportsters are worth the effort IMHO lovely bikes. Best from NZ
@ChucksCycles
@ChucksCycles 2 года назад
At its core the rubber sportsters are the same as all of them. Just had to get rid of some unnecessary "upgrades", as the factory calls them.
@erneumann3136
@erneumann3136 2 года назад
Excellent video.
@ChucksCycles
@ChucksCycles 2 года назад
Thanks, it was definitely a learning experience.
@thakery5720
@thakery5720 9 месяцев назад
A simple 'stand alone' ignition is the thunderheart one - it has preset maps and you can 'write your own.' if you want to, it also works with the crank sensor to eliminate the inaccuracies of cam driven timing ... it's cheap too !
@cmoore1752
@cmoore1752 Год назад
Yup! Got it, thanks!
@Braderkins
@Braderkins Год назад
I had that (THAT EXECT BIKE) in my garage a few years ago. I recognize the turd on the cam cover anywhere. I didn’t know what to do with it since it was an 04 so I sold it to a guy in Charlotte. I like what you’ve done with it man. If you want I can send pictures of what it looked like when I had it
@ChucksCycles
@ChucksCycles Год назад
Haha cool, I bought it from a guy in Charlotte. Yeah, send me a picture.
@kelliezink4007
@kelliezink4007 Год назад
drive.google.com/file/d/16FyEIj6zGVwIVBO4jTf3pL8UCIQypNLG/view?usp=drivesdk
@kelliezink4007
@kelliezink4007 Год назад
drive.google.com/file/d/16FyEIj6zGVwIVBO4jTf3pL8UCIQypNLG/view?usp=drivesdk
@97irishflyer
@97irishflyer 2 года назад
Excellent video! I am thinking of picking up an 04 1200C, with a bad crank sensor I believe. Would be great to eliminate it all. Hell, maybe even points...lol.
@ChucksCycles
@ChucksCycles 2 года назад
Yeah, points would work well
@petetownsend7142
@petetownsend7142 Год назад
I like the big steaming pile of $h!+ somebody sharpie'd on the stock cam cover. Love the cam cover cut down as well. Very informative and a great vid!
@ChucksCycles
@ChucksCycles Год назад
Yeah, the turd seemed to fit the bike well so I left it. HAHA
@kurtduerrduerr1696
@kurtduerrduerr1696 2 года назад
Good vid.thanks
@69bakester
@69bakester Год назад
Great video. What coil and voes did you use?
@Scummy_shovel
@Scummy_shovel 5 месяцев назад
4:09 4 minutes in and this is very promising. I have mine chopped and the wiring stripped down but I could not get it to run without that stupid turn signal module bs.
@awsomenessguy1
@awsomenessguy1 Год назад
What ignition coil did you use and where did you get that black piece the module sits on?
@MadMotorDoc
@MadMotorDoc 3 месяца назад
Great video ! could i put a points/condenser plate in there instead of the electronics ? .
@russellvarner5365
@russellvarner5365 Год назад
Hey man awesome vid, I have a 2007 efi sportster 1200 and I plan on converting it to a carb could I use the same cam cover on it?
@reveng6705
@reveng6705 2 года назад
nice work.. how it's been running since you did this video? can you please post the names of those special tools you used? the depth meters and all those stuff.. what coils are you using, is it single fire or dual fire?
@ChucksCycles
@ChucksCycles 2 года назад
The guy has been riding it ever since, he says its doing well. I made the depth tool and then used a standard dial indicator.
@cmoore1752
@cmoore1752 Год назад
Finally found the correct Cam Cover and excited to convert it over. Do you happen to have a complete Wiring Diagram perhaps that I can follow please? I just want the bike to run. No turn signals or horn needed. Thanks in advance!
@ChucksCycles
@ChucksCycles Год назад
I think I pout up a wiring diagram at some point in the video.
@SteveOLive88
@SteveOLive88 Год назад
Do you have an extra cover I could buy so I can do this to my bike?
@nicholasyoder
@nicholasyoder 2 года назад
What cam cover did you use? Is it off a buell? What year can cover? I’m doing this same thing today.
@ChucksCycles
@ChucksCycles 2 года назад
-98
@Baggyarse
@Baggyarse Год назад
Hello from the UK, I am building an 89 Evo in a Ironhead frame, did you use the stock coil as I have heard that the Compu-Fire ignition is Ohm sensitive. Great Video
@steverooke1717
@steverooke1717 Год назад
Have a look at rawhide cycles they use a mechanical advance retard unit and a pick up with a 5 ohm coil 👍all electronic ignitions need to be matched to the coil👍
@vespagrunge
@vespagrunge 10 месяцев назад
hi man what about the lights ? how you make the lamp and light works with this ignition?
@pierre-x.8386
@pierre-x.8386 2 года назад
Thanks for the références parts, and in the same idea, will it be possible to convert it for a much older "point" ignition? i know it could sound silly, but, as defective at it is, point ignition does not suffer from electromagnetics interferences...
@ChucksCycles
@ChucksCycles 2 года назад
Yes, you could put a mechanical advance and points in the cam cover. I dont see why it wouldnt work.
@pierre-x.8386
@pierre-x.8386 Год назад
Hi BIG UPDATE : i tried to do the same operation, confidend about what i would find on my 2006, and unfortunately, mine had cams with no hole in an no dent for the ignition module... I will use that as an excuse to put new cams in it but for some peoples it can become a dealbreaker, so probably the 04-05 get the older style cams, but my 06 has not the same luck.
@paullesho2693
@paullesho2693 2 года назад
I would like to eliminate the electronic ignition which seems to be very fallable to the old reliable points and condencer ignition system for a 2005 sportster 1200. Is there a way to get the points cam and a standard coil. This new stuff seems to be way over engineered. I like simple and works!
@nicholasyoder
@nicholasyoder 2 года назад
That’s what I’m going to try to do
@circlefreak13
@circlefreak13 8 месяцев назад
So do you like just use a system for a 2004 in earlier on my 2006 I'm trying to figure out which which ignition system forget can I just get one of them hundred dollar ones for a 2002?
@ianfitzwater7516
@ianfitzwater7516 2 года назад
Excellent video, thanks so much for all the concise detail, we have just replicated your idea on my son's 2007 in New Zealand- I have a question - did you leave the TSM and ignition module on the bike after this ? Can they still be used to power the lights and indicators for example, or do you need to rewire the whole lot? thanks
@ChucksCycles
@ChucksCycles 2 года назад
Thanks! I was building a chopper so I didn't have a TSSM or ignition module. No turn signals, etc. And I built my own simplified wring harness. I'm not sure if the absence of certain sensor signals will confuse the TSSM or not. The whole idea was to be able to get rid of all those computers.
@ianfitzwater7516
@ianfitzwater7516 2 года назад
@@ChucksCycles yes I am not sure either - we will continue with the project and I will keep you posted- it sure is a crazy system that they have put on a bike that was so simple - which is part of the charm of a Harley Davidson - space shuttle technology has ruined a great concept- thanks once again - your technical expertise is much appreciated
@whatyoumakeofit6635
@whatyoumakeofit6635 2 года назад
@@ianfitzwater7516 I second that. What they have done to harleys and continue to keep doing really puts me off.
@taylorsippy6638
@taylorsippy6638 2 года назад
@@ChucksCycles by chance do you have a draw out of the wiring schematic you used? I have an 01 sportster that I’m rewiring from scratch and it would be a real game changer if I had a reference that matches my bike. I’ve looked everywhere
@ChucksCycles
@ChucksCycles 2 года назад
@@taylorsippy6638 I put up a schematic in the wiring video. Check out the build series on my channel.
@trmidgley
@trmidgley 3 дня назад
Can i get the model number for the voes? Just want to make sure im matching up. Stoked to find this as my tssm went out. Found a 98 cover and running twin tec 1005 on my 2005 883
@wedowhatwewant6850
@wedowhatwewant6850 Год назад
would this work on a 2015 sporster seventy two?
@mobilegarage9312
@mobilegarage9312 Год назад
When you installed the intake manifold, the rubber seals looked wet. What did you use on them? Some sort of oil?
@ChucksCycles
@ChucksCycles Год назад
I like to use some silicone spray just to ensure that the seals move into place and dont roll.
@mobilegarage9312
@mobilegarage9312 Год назад
@@ChucksCycles someone told me to use dawn fish soap. I guess it didn’t work too well because I think I still have a slight leak. I thought it was interesting that you tightened the bolts down without having the carb on it.
@userJCvk
@userJCvk 2 года назад
Hi may i know what rigid rear end did you get? Thanks!
@ChucksCycles
@ChucksCycles 2 года назад
Led Sled
@joediffy3788
@joediffy3788 2 года назад
I am new to the newer bikes always had a shovel with basic kick only no signals . I recently purchased a 89 sportster and did not realize they had a control module and started tearing into to find out the control module is missing is there away around that
@ChucksCycles
@ChucksCycles 2 года назад
Just get a stand alone ignition module like I did. Ultima, Dyna S, etc…. Just like a if you were putting electronic ignition in your shovel. These do not need the stock module.
@joediffy3788
@joediffy3788 2 года назад
@@ChucksCycles awesome thank I have looked and looked and you are the only channel I found with the info I need look forward to more videos
@DEATHMETALCYCLE
@DEATHMETALCYCLE Год назад
Wow… this is way to much! Ive been wanting to convert my 2016… but im not buying cases and all this wild stuff haha!
@ChucksCycles
@ChucksCycles Год назад
All you got to swap is the cam cover, give it a go.!
@arthurhudgens8213
@arthurhudgens8213 9 месяцев назад
Is there an old style cam cover fit on a 2017 883 sportster i know ill have to get a slotted cam to drive the points . Thanks i only have a crank sensor on this 2017 model and id like not to have to buy an expensive stand alone ignition ..thanks in advance
@noallegiances8676
@noallegiances8676 9 месяцев назад
Ive done a carb conversation on mine. its a 2015 sportster xl1200 with canbus etc. There's an easy way to do this im using a Daytona twin tec ignition. It works with your stock crank sensor for trigger and uses stock map sensor for the timing adjustment under load conditions. Got rid of stock wiring BCM, ABS module etc etc. Daytona unit is very easy to wire if you know what u r doing.
@arthurhudgens8213
@arthurhudgens8213 9 месяцев назад
@@noallegiances8676 thanks a million I'll sure look it up👍👍👍👍👍
@billynalley8357
@billynalley8357 2 года назад
I have bought three -98 cam covers and none of them have a open cone or all the journals. What am i doing wrong? No one seems to have the right answer. Thanks
@ChucksCycles
@ChucksCycles 2 года назад
I got mine off of eBay, but I made sure to study the pictures first to be sure it had all the required attributes.
@billynalley8357
@billynalley8357 2 года назад
@@ChucksCycles dud more research its a 98a witch came off beulls, they had the oil journals before the sportsters. Thanks for your videos, they have helped me alot.im doing a 08 to carb the same way
@ChucksCycles
@ChucksCycles 2 года назад
@@billynalley8357 Cool, Im glad you found the right one, If I remember right mine was a 98a also.
@lloydkratka3733
@lloydkratka3733 Год назад
What about the 2014
@andrewcarter1127
@andrewcarter1127 Год назад
I live in Kingsport I work on Evo stuff do you know any one that does machine work around here
@ChucksCycles
@ChucksCycles Год назад
I will once I get my machine shop running.
@dannyarendall5233
@dannyarendall5233 2 года назад
What about the oil in cam chest won’t it Leah not having a seal
@ChucksCycles
@ChucksCycles 2 года назад
what seal are you talking about?
@dannyarendall5233
@dannyarendall5233 2 года назад
It looks like there no seal to keep the oil from getting in points area
@ChucksCycles
@ChucksCycles 2 года назад
@@dannyarendall5233 the seal is there, it has a metal case.
@riffraffchoppers
@riffraffchoppers 2 года назад
Don’t they make a waaaaaay simpler way to Do this? Like a stand alone setup like they do for twin cam motors that just has a small Module ?
@ChucksCycles
@ChucksCycles 2 года назад
I couldn't find one.
@riffraffchoppers
@riffraffchoppers 2 года назад
@@ChucksCycles I would think there has to be one somewhere
@leej6886
@leej6886 Год назад
Yes. A company called thunder heart
@MrJeepty
@MrJeepty 2 года назад
"of course I'm keeping track where they go" 😂
@TheDorkKnight23
@TheDorkKnight23 3 года назад
Im gonna do this to 2013 "72" that I'm gonna turn into hardtail chopper. Already found this bitchin gas tank I'm gonna mod. I wish I would have known that I was gonna down the chopper life I would have just bought a carb. bike from the start. But such is life and just keep going with it. Gonna be the most badass ugly chopper you have ever seen. Haha
@ChucksCycles
@ChucksCycles 3 года назад
Cool, good luck, thanks for watching. If you have any questions I’ll try to help if I can.
@TheDorkKnight23
@TheDorkKnight23 3 года назад
@@ChucksCycles did you just ebay your cam gear cover?
@ChucksCycles
@ChucksCycles 3 года назад
@@TheDorkKnight23 Not yet
@RayfordRaySiegel
@RayfordRaySiegel 2 года назад
I figured that I'd give some information to you that might help. Gixxer Foo has a video, about changing from fuel injected Harleys to carbureted. You might see if that helps you toward this modification.
@RayfordRaySiegel
@RayfordRaySiegel 2 года назад
@@ChucksCycles, On that note, I was curious about a couple things, one being from his comment. Beside simplifying it, what is the purpose of doing all of this? I just wanted to be clear about it. Also, can it be done with fuel injected models? A buddy of mine just bought a 2015 Sporty. I don't know that he'd be able to do this, but if he found the help, I'm just wondering if it's possible and what the motivation is, for doing it.
@jwuzhere9480
@jwuzhere9480 Месяц назад
Does anybody know where I can find one of these cover? I have an 05 xl1200c but I've scoured the internet for a cover like this but no luck. Am I over looking it somehow or are they just hard to find? Thanks!!
@Dave_Rides
@Dave_Rides 2 года назад
Do you have an Instagram , wanting to do this to my bike just looking for some guidance
@ChucksCycles
@ChucksCycles 2 года назад
yeah, chuck_l86
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