Dive Detectives Episode #6 - Warships Down 

As a public safety rescue and recovery diver, along with my many years in shipwreck penetration diving, a couple things pop up. One, unless your underwater rov has got turbo boosters on it, the ones that are the size of basketballs can be stopped by a 2 year old grasp. A strong oak ship in the great lakes isnt going to burst. Second, I would never gamble with tether divers having to come up, then go into a chamber. A platform could easily be submersed for their deco time, and if propperly rigged, can be raised and lowered by crane making for less stress to the divers. I apologise for sounding like an arm-chair-quarter back, but thats just my opinion and suggestions for next time. Other than that I thought you did a very good job explaining the process, along with the detailed history of the vessels. Hope you have fun on your next dives.

Never ceases to amaze me how some ppl have the capability to repeatedly state the obvious.

Ngl them complaining about this small RV bumping into the "delicate window" really dragged and you can tell the dude was like "why did y'all call me for"

Most of the show is about how they do a dive not the actual dive. The producers also add typical Hollywood "Drama" that does not need to be included at all like divers lines getting "tangled" with only 2 minutes to get them to decompression chambers...yet no one is moving with any urgency suggesting non-actors are attempting to act. Just make a documentary, don't add fluff. Interesting as far as the historical value of the ships in question, but a lot of added junk to get that information. 4/10.

Imagine how amazing it would be If they could be raised like the Vasa

The zebra muscles are an invasive species that have reeked havoc not only obscuring these wonderful shipwrecks but also clogging water intakes at treatment plants amongst other things. The obscuring of the wrecks is such a shame though 😕

How cool was that musket rack with muskets still in it though

"Let's go for the hatch, all 40 men while water rushes in, the boat is turning over.."

41:00 mans maneuvering the rov in tight quarters and someone pats his shoulder like that? Careless......

I excell in American and military history getting straight A's all four years, and I honor these men every day. You guys just spend someone else's money and break your arms patting yourselves on the back

Imagine that you're aboard the Scourge, sleeping in your hammock when you suddenly are hit with a wave of fast moving cold water and washed out of your hammock, and towards the bowels of the ship. My theory is that most, if not all of the men were asleep until the water hit them and washed them from their hammock or bunks. By that time the ship was already on it's side with the water pouring in. With the power of the water rushing it, those men would have been washed with the water as it went towards the deepest parts of the ship. Which is why there wouldn't be any sailor's remains, they would have been washed deeper into the lower decks of the ship, where the ballast was sitting on the keel. My bet is that the remains of the sailors are mostly to be found there, in the deepest areas of the hull, likely and fittingly covered by the silt of over two hundred years. Their deaths would have been sparingly quick. I once nearly drowned to death as a 12 year old, I had been pushed off of my inner tube into the water of a very weedy lake and those weeds instantly wrap themselves around your legs by the turbulence of kicking. I had gone under water without taking an additional breath and the breath I has in me was getting stale already and because I could not reach the surface I took in water into my lungs. As a result my vision altered immediately to as if I was looking down a tube. I had lost all peripheral vision and everything was seemingly far away. I was already loosing consciousness and that wasn't even ten seconds in the water. The Human Body is hardwired to do certain things and because I had partially inhaled water and was fighting to prevent myself from breathing any more water it wouldn't be more than another breath, perhaps two and I would have lost consciousness. the same would have been for many of the crew aboard these two ships. not all would have gone down as quickly as I did and some may have succumbed even quicker but my ultimate point is this, it's far faster than people realize, AND it is perfectly painless. in every part of my incident at that lake, I had not felt ANY pain whatsoever. There was the urge to cough and take a fresh breath of air, for sure, but no pain. there would be only the desperate thought of getting air to breath. SO for those men who were rudely awakened by gushing water, there would have been so much confusion, and the inability to tell which way was up because the entire ship had tipped over on her side, plus the water rushing to the deepest parts of the ship, sweeping the crew with it, and we must take into consideration that being able to swim was neither a prerequisite of the US Navy, and nor was it common for men to know how to swim, their deaths would have been both painless and swift. May they rest in Peace, and I am so very thankful that the Canadian Government has listed all ship sinkings within Canadian waters, that loss of life occurred, are all listed as grave sites and cannot be disturbed except by Scientific/Anthropologist expedition approved by the Government. This takes away what so many have thought to be their right to not only disturb the remains of sailors but also damaging the wrecks by their very presence. As what was happening with the wreck of the Edmund Fitzgerald. in fact the constant diving of the Edmund Fitzgerald is what brought about the laws that now protect all shipwrecks because there were and still are close family members from the crew of the Edmund Fitzgerald who were offended deeply of footage of the still perfectly intact bodies of the crew members as well as relics of the ship being taken. The one thing about Lake Superior and that she never gives up her dead, and her depths are too cold for regular decomposition to take place so the bodies of the dead turns to wax and they stay permanently and will never deteriorate afterwards. that is why all shipwrecks that took human life are now grave sites and it is illegal to dive them now. I can only imagine what state the Scourge and the Hamilton would be in if the law gad not protected them, they sunk well over two hundred years ago

Very amazing video thanks so much, only question. How is the water still liquid at 4 degrees Celsius

Hello people the boat is already broken …. That’s why it’s at the bottom of the lake!!!

480p?

Why the hell dont they raise and preserve these things! If England can raise the Mary Rose these can certainly be raised too

The Daniel J Morrell only one man lived, I am amazed that eight men lived, the lakes are deadly . The old womans skirts blow in the wind for nothing.

So much non existing Drama and background music takes away from the science. Sad

Stupid Zebra mussels they dont belong in the Great Lakes.

Lol 30m? I have dove on a dozen or so Japanese WW2 wrecks in The Philippines at that depth and slightly deeper using only conventional scuba equipment and natural compressed air(29%O2 69.5%Nitrogen and .5%CO2.we had hang tanks in place in case we ran out of air before we were able to complete all the nessassary decompression stops on our own supply. Being and advaced level diver and having logged several 100 dives many being on wrecks I was by far the least experianced diver on the expedition which consisted of myself, 2 rescue divers and 2 dive masters. I still had over 30% when we surfaced. One of the Philippino dive masters still had over 50% after 45min of bottom time at 30m but their dive technique,buoyancy control and trim are nearly flawless. I hardly seen either of the DMs breath down their.With nitrox (a mixture of oxygen and helium) we could go much deeper without worrying about nitrogen intoxication or decompression sickness at all. I dunno why Canadian law requires all the tech diving configuration to do what could and within any reasonably skilled wreck diver's limits most certainly would be considered to be a routine dive? Mind you? In The Philippines worker safety policies or regulations are next to non- existant. I also dove inside of a sunken oil tanker's oil vessel still 1/2 full of fuel oil so you have to swim underneath the oil which as cool as it looked almost certainly would be unthinkable as a recreational dive in North America so I guess I just answered my own question prolly?lol

Oh Canada and its dam rules

Cool footage of the wreck itself. I respect that it’s a war grave, but that Canadian guy seems to be freaking out a bit much over a sunken shipwreck. I don’t think the tiny rov is gonna break it when it’s survived so much waves and everything. But I’m not a Canadian gov egghead so idk

At 28:13 I couldn't take it anymore. It's not made of tissue paper. Too overdramatic about damaging anything, unwatchable

These ARCHAEOLOGISTS are all from the school of shivering jellybabies.

Lots of unnecessary drama here

The state of preservation is remarkable. RIP to the men lost, God knows every detail of their passings. I understand Jonathan is concerned about not damaging anything, but I thought he was overcautious and actually stressing the mini ROV operator. If the ships are going to fall to pieces eventually, then it seems worth the risk to gather whatever info can be had now. I suspect most of the crew would be glad to be remembered and not view this as disrespectful. Their spirits have moved on anyway.

This archeology guy is way over cautious. No need to be careless but, if you really want to know something... Sometimes that includes risks. If you don't want it to collapse ... Leave it alone.

What really drove home the swiftness of the sinking, was the inside view of the water pouring in. Those sailors never had a chance if they were sleeping. Rushing water has so much more power than people understand unless you've been in it. Even if awake your chances would likely be near zero, unless you're right next to a hatch and react swiftly. Even then the timing would have to be right, because with the ships being near 90 degrees the water pressure would be pushing the hatch doors closed. In total darkness with bodies and objects flying around inhibiting or blocking you. All the familiar "landmarks" are no longer in the right place just paints a scene of inescapable chaos. Its truly an amazing miracle even 8 survived the sinkings and then survived the storm in the water.

The one thing I can't stand about these types of documentarys is all the bullsh%t they add to make it a longer episode which I can't stand because I like most people wanted to see and hear about the ships it was meant to be about, sorry if I seem to harsh but there's no need to fill dead air as they say, they could fill it with scenes about the ship wrecks.l

This video sheds lights on just how bad the zebra muscles have accumulated.

If Johnathan was so worried about the damage to the wreck then maybe he should have piloted the mini ROV.....oh wait, he can't because he is an underwater tomb raider. I love how he criticized Craig but has now concept of the difficulty that he faces and calls off the mission because he is a natural born panic artist. If the wreck decays and collapses and the bodies or evidence is lost forever, who gets the blame for not going forward. Without risk, there is never reward or progression.

To much BS & drama What fake crap there's no need for decompression chambers. Only seeing these wreck {historical} is why anyone may want to watch this.

They were warships and they’re wondering is there any kind of ammunition inside could there be signs that had provisions on board. I’m sorry that just seems kind of stupid to even ask those kinds of questions. They were navy warships with sailors on board so most likely they were fully provisioned.

I think the ships were overloaded with cannon and armament that were too large for these small ships. Top heavy. The combination of waterline and waves.

As a Michigander who spends summers in the great lakes I can attest to the sudden and violent storms. These can be frightening from the shore, I can't imagine being on board a shipnwhen one is happening. Once my family was enjoying a beautiful sunny day with small waves. In around 10 minutes the waves went from 4-5 ft to 2-3x that and the heavens opened up. We only live a mile away and we're forced to take shelter in a fish cleaning station and the rain was nearly parallel to the the ground. Roughly 10 min later it was a light drizzle and 1 hr later the sun was out again. Now imagine the snow storms, blizzards are insane but the aftermath, the ice on the piers and lighthouse points is absolutely gorgeous to behold.

total over kill

It's a wreck.

Sixteen men survived from the two ships, but the sinkings took more than 80 men to their deaths. Ned Myers, a survivor of Scourge, told his story to James Fenimore Cooper; according to Myers, about eight men from Hamilton were saved and about 42 were lost.

Great vid when you show it, amazing filming inside the wreck. Way to much filler and other editing that are just not needed. Want the wreck, not interviews and control room shots.

To many backseat drivers.

Another overproduced foolishness complete with pseudo-problems and crap. It could have been a good fifteen-minute informative video. Instead a majority of wasted time.

Do yourself a favor and don’t waste your time watching this. They don’t even go into the first wreck and the second is shown for all of a minute or two. The rest of the program, just filler…

Typical,... Oh Can- A- the spinless.... Johnathan a perfect example,...A ?

Wow that is fascinating ! I don't understand why they are worried about damaging it . The muscles and age will flatten it and nothing will be left they should be able to bring up artifacts from the wreck put them in a museum . The rifles would be cool to bring up

It's like half the show is will it fit in the window..then...Nope...

Why do American documentaries have to have bullshit suspense plots in them?

Salutation. Just raise it. It is a perfect peace of history isn't not?.

Ned Myers wrote a story called before the mast free gives an account of the crew man who says he jumped off the boat as it sank and he could see the captain trying to fit through the little windows then he hit the water when he came up the ship was gone I wonder if those were the windows that the captain was trying to squeeze through

That the remains of sailors have survived is unbelievable. And it gives the place a real measure of human tragedy. It's like those photos of the Titanic passengers' shoes. Suddenly it's not just a ship on the bottom. It's a place where a lot of people died horrible deaths and hardships.

The wrecks sank on the Ontario side of the border. Thats why Americans never did any marine archaeology before.

All I learned from this movie is how to dive .

I saw a video in the 70’s by Dr Joseph McGinnis on these two schooners. Not sure if I spelled his name correctly. At that time there were no mussels and the masts and rigging were all intact. They looked like new. It was amazing! One of the schooners had it’s cannons all moved over to one side of the ship due to a hard roll because of the storm. That shift caused the ship to flood then sink. I am shocked to see the condition some 50+ years later. What a difference! Did those zebra mussels contribute the decay? There were no mussels to be seen back then.

I found it hard to imagine how so many were stuck below and couldn't get out until I seen just how small that opening was, how limited your options for escape were. How horrifying.

What really got me is how fake it got about halfway through

For these two warships to have sunk during the night must have added to the terror of their crews, particularly as they were in a bad storm! Their weaponry was no defence against the sea. As if being aboard warships of this era wasn't bad enough, they had the raging sea to contend with! That they're both in clean freshwater has magnificently preserved them, they're really quite remarkable and all the better for sitting upright! I enjoy following the adventures of this father and son dive team, they have genuine interest in these vessels.

hi , any British ships from the same time found at the bottom of the lake ????

Too much “fluff”

Very, very interesting. Thank you !

OK. First. Let's address the pink elephant in the room. THIS IS A TREASURE HUNT. AS IF WE ARE ALL STUPID! They don't care how the crew died. Bet that. Second. We gives a crap if the window is scratched. Who cares if the whole thing caves in? If not now. Never. That guy making the call acts more like an insurance adjuster. This entire deal is fubar. Dishonest people all scared they won't get their treasures. Or one will and one wont.

An amazing find. I had them in the 80's National Geographic. They were pristine wrecks in that time. Now, those ships are mussel farms. A bit disappointed with this documentary. Possibly the last opportunity to get into these ships, mostly wasted. Remember when archeologists actually dared to do things? When did wobble-kneed tremblers take over?

Dude's worried about damaging the wreck with an ROV tether. I don't think they documented exactly where and how each mussel was attached. If a few zebra muscles bite it, So much the better!

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Cant wait the day they will make Subdrone for people to buy. Imagine going down there visit those boats even the titanic. Need to be small like a Drone. But for this boats they should try to bring it all up in one piece.

The archaeologists get a little carried away in my opinion. They are so worried about damaging the ship, to the point they won’t let them explore the vessel meanwhile it’s constantly being damaged and rotting away by the sea life anyway.

I thought the Cousteau team did some work on these in the early 90's. Help me out.

Omfg that archaeologist who kept back seat driving the rov driver was sooo annoying.. like that litte rov was going to make the entire ship collapse..

anyone else notice at 46:00 they used a different clip vs what the kid is actually saying? poor splitting and bad editting

hate how no one have tryed to save the ships :(

Oh the war of 1812…where is USA beat the British …AGAIN!

Being from uk how were the boats placed on the lakes.

They know this ships down there, they know it still has human remains down there so it’s a war grave that’s already marked so why are they even going down there to look at it? I’d feel disrespected if people were going to my loved ones grave and looking at his bones let alone filming it. This is just wrong you don’t disturb peoples grave sites. Z

Well, the most spectacular and best preserved wooden shipwreck are the Swedish Wasa. Then we have Lord Nelsons own Victory - also several older wrecks around Scandinavia for example. Great find none the less. But entering a shipwreck isn't something new - though from an archaeological standpoint, disturbing a wreck might very possible cause harm to it.

Can someone explain to me why this ship which is much older seems even more preserved than the Titanic which seems to be completely deteriorating and rooms barely recognizable?

If you're not a Great Laker....these storms are NOT uncommon. Each Great Lake weather can change in a matter of minutes. There are 6000 document shipwrecks on the Great Lakes

I remember seeing these ships in an issue of National Geographic years ago when I was a kid. Good to see them on video.

How is this diving?😅😅

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113 km = 70 miles, 4 C = 39 F

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As usual with these videos to fill the space they tell about the dive not limited facts ,, such a shame..salvaging those ships and preserving for historical record ,would be viable 🤷🏼‍♂️…

Those vessels need to be raised and preserved and retrieve any human remains found and give them a proper military burial, if these ships were on display it would be a much better trtibute to the crew versus a wreck on the bottom thats gets seen only by a few choice professionals..

👍 .... More this ... Find the ships and Flight 19 .. that's enough to say thanks ... I'm glad you do this

I've been looking for the Edmund Fitzgerald episode can't find it on RU-vid anymore

If they only going to.30 meters couldn t they after they ve explored the schooner just do a few decompresstion stops on the way back to the surface

Cause of the Shipwreck! ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-VflZGJU0igw.html

patting his shoulder was a super dumb thing to do

Lake Ontario has dangerous storms and many ships have gone down in them

Skip to 35:00

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What in the hell is the idea of Useing metrics like as if everybody understood those things.

Corruption

I hate that these are designated as war graves. Given their state of preservation and recoverable remains, it would be much more beneficial to recover and preserve the ships while giving these sailors a proper burial. With technology today, it may even be possible to identify them and return them to their families. As few ships from that era still exist, there is so much we can learn from them. I hate to see them continue to rot away.

This research would help explain what happened to the crew of the Edmund Fitzgerald. Great video

Extremely well done! What a successful mission! Keep up the great work! Jeff

Boring.

the Canadian Government Parks Canada guy is standing in the way all the time....they should have left him on shore.....typical government interference that results in nothing being done

The irony of Nelson figure head.