DIVERTED Away From AirVenture - FAST Pilot Decision Making!

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It started off fun... But got more difficult quickly.
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This episode covers the lead up to what was absolutely my most #Difficult #AirVenture arrival experience.
Every year there are #Storms and super high traffic volume…
I’ve flown the Fisk arrival many times over the years, and have always managed to skate through fairly smoothly.
But 2023 was the first time that basically everything happened:
We had to divert due to storms being parked over the entire arrival procedure, then got spun at Fisk multiple times, had to go around due to a wrong way landing aircraft, and then had to join the holds when the airport was closed - all in, we spent over 2 hours doing what should have taken 25 minutes.
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17 сен 2023

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@bryanquick2709 7 месяцев назад

Astro Katie is awesome! I was looking at all of that orange thinking, 'Dude, divert!'

@FlightChops 7 месяцев назад

Yup. :)

@JohnBaleshiski 7 месяцев назад

Flew VFR this year, first time ever at Osh. Stopped at C65 to fuel and get a co-pilot. WOW the traffic was insane. That was quite the experience. Looking forward to going back. Dragged my RV in to hit the green dot as way too many people were watching on the sidelines for me to not land well. No pressure or anything :) The experience was unreal!

@146Jockey 7 месяцев назад

Very interesting watching your OSH unfold. I think your risk management was excellent. Love the fact you wanted to beat everyone to the Dells...this is always a part of my shifting priorities in the airline world. Very interesting to see your focus on the ATIS and then ultimately your realization it was not a priority and focus on the divert and delegate tasks. Very professional! Can't wait to see the next vid. Remember never to be afraid to redefine success in flying. I think this flight was very successful!

@FlightChops 7 месяцев назад

Thanks for these insights - at the time I was frustrated and feeling defeated, but I agree that in retrospect this is a great flying experience!

@flynjay7178 7 месяцев назад

Great examples of decision making and working with traffic at pilot controlled fields. A tip on the 750, when looking for frequencies the up and down arrows at the bottom right are very helpful. I had a tendency to try to scroll with the touch screen and would select things I didn't want. I am usually looking for ground and atis frequencies to put into com2 before selecting the twr or unicom in com 1.

@russhillis 7 месяцев назад

The guy I was flying with decided to stop at Dells Baraboo late Monday so we could come into Osh early Tuesday morning. It worked out great.

@FlightChops 7 месяцев назад

Glad to hear that.

@ClayCaviness 7 месяцев назад

Great to see you and Katie flying together.

@FlightChops 7 месяцев назад

It was a good time.

@ofdlttwo 7 месяцев назад

That was fantastic CRM. Thanks for sharing.

@ranjrog 7 месяцев назад

KDLL is a great stop! Been there a few times over the last several years. We flew in on Thursday after the event had been going on for several days and it was a crazy arrival even then. Several trips all the way back to the start and just missing the cut off for the afternoon airshow. Finally made it in Thursday evening but had to do a go around due to a departing aircraft that wasn’t taking to tower. Pretty crazy. Seems like it is getting a little wilder each year. I may consider joining the Cessna mass arrival next year!!

@Flojer0 7 месяцев назад

I'm in tech, but having two heads that understand the workload makes a lot of things workable

@somedaypilot 7 месяцев назад

One of these days a flight sim will have scenarios about getting into airventure via the Fisk VFR procedure. In the meantime, I continue to live vicariously through you

@sircrapalot9954 7 месяцев назад

PilotEdge hosts SimVenture in FS2020 every year before Oshkosh to allow prospective fly-ins to familiarize the arrivals. They use actual OSH controllers too.

@superpilotish 7 месяцев назад

Another cool vid! Thanks, Steve and Katie!👍

@CuratedPile 7 месяцев назад

Katie wasn't wrong about the helicopters in her question. The Bell 47 tours were relentless. Can't help but to think they're stalking you. Looking forward to seeing your next video, my (first time) arrival on Friday morning was pretty uneventful, yours clearly wasn't. I never could pick up the ATIS and had nothing at all on Fisk until Green Lake.

@goatflieg 7 месяцев назад

The Bell 47 tours sometimes give me flashbacks... not of Vietnam, but of the S.F. Bay Area Malathion Wars of the '80s.

@branchair 7 месяцев назад

I assume this was the Saturday arrival. It was the worst arrival we ever had as well. Down to 70kts at times in the RV10 and we got put in the hold when the plane landed the wrong way.

@FlightChops 7 месяцев назад

Yes, it was brutal.

@clarencewiles963 7 месяцев назад

Hello, is always fun to hear someone on the radio calling you out! 😂 thanks for sharing this, it was great 😊

@FlightChops 7 месяцев назад

Glad you enjoyed it Clarence.

@goatflieg 7 месяцев назад

Two years in a row, my Friday arrivals were very smooth. For me, OSH 23 will always be memorable for five thunderstorms over nine days, holding my tent up for dear life. I remember getting Thaddeus' text about his tent-up-storm-hit episode. It was pretty cool watching the Wisk perform from homebuilt camping. What a year it was, and what a year it continues to be. Can't wait to see your real arrival episode.

@FlightChops 7 месяцев назад

Glad you made it through camping in that weather!

@tomairtv 7 месяцев назад

Wow, nice one. We flew in to Oshkosh on the Wednesday this year and it was my first time. WX was terrible that day which made for 5 legs coming from southwestern Ontario like you. We ended up doing our approach between the afternoon and evening air shows which meant flying it with what seemed like hundreds of others trying to make that 1 hour arrival window. To make it even more challenging we were a three ship (3 SkyMasters). It was chaos but I will never forget it. Oshkosh was amazing!

@gregkrekelberg4632 7 месяцев назад

Whoa! Astro Katie!? Going for her commercial? This is too much. Her book "The of Everything" was excellent.

@ChrisB257 7 месяцев назад

Phew! Thanks for sharing this Steve - plenty to keep you occupied!

@stevespra1 7 месяцев назад

There were definitely some ATC problems this year. The ATIS didn't work well (transmitter issue?) and leaving Thursday was the worst.

@fsodn 7 месяцев назад

Nice example of CRM between the two of you, and nice coordination with the other pilots on the radio coming into DLL. I'd thought this was going to be the arrival-from-heck. I guess that's the next one. It's getting exciting! :-) I'm a bit surprised about your not being able to read the ATIS as well. I don't know if they increase the range for the long arrival trains going to the west. But surely it's not directional....is it? Weird.

@FlightChops 7 месяцев назад

Thanks! And yeah, “the arrival from hell” is the next one. I initially thought this would all be one episode, but then I found the diversion here to be worthy of its own.

@1hornet1 7 месяцев назад

Dang man, your co-pilot was on it! That was some impressive busy work. Looking forward to the next one.

@mikewaterfield3599 7 месяцев назад

Ok, I heard tale you were on approach 18R when that 36 series Bo decided he was landing 36L. I had a great view of that Ill advised Beech approach from vintage. Never did see who all scattered in the wave off.

@FlightChops 7 месяцев назад

Yuuuuuup… that story is coming next.

@mikewaterfield3599 7 месяцев назад

@@FlightChops Damn! It was a hell of a view from my camp site. Supposedly they had to hold placards up to get that guy on comms. Glad everyone made it out in one piece.

@justindwyer3430 7 месяцев назад

Great video. As usual. Can I ask a mundane question: do you recall the name of the paint you used for the panel? I’m about to paint mine and am looking for a good grey like this.

@DWBurns 7 месяцев назад

That looks stressful. I may drive if I ever go.

@elhnston6589 7 месяцев назад

Quiet Vtol was impressive.

@aviatortrevor 7 месяцев назад

I would not expect to hear ATIS 50 miles out at 3500ft, but you are close to receiving it. I would have turned the squelch off to try to hear it. You can hear ATIS from 200-300 miles out if you’re high enough (i.e. 40,000ft), but conditions and altitude have to be right. 3500ft is low. If terrain is flat at 3500 (probably only 2500ft AGL in Wisconsin), I’d expect to pickup ATIS with no squelch at like 40-50 miles, assuming no hills or terrain in the way.

@FlightChops 7 месяцев назад

Every previous year I have gone, I’ve heard the ATIS by 60 miles 🤷 - This is from the AirVenture NOTAM: “Tune to Arrival ATIS (125.9) no later than 60 miles from OSH Airport and note arrival runways in use. Have Notice arrival pages mentioned on ATIS available.”

@morre6748 6 месяцев назад

Katie and Steve in one video? Awesome!

@FlightChops 6 месяцев назад

*we're in two videos :) The second part of this series was just published.

@CharlesReiche 7 месяцев назад

I watched you flying in circles for a while that day on ADSB. I thought your camera batteries might have been drained and the whole story was lost.

@FlightChops 7 месяцев назад

Yeah, what a mess. We cut cameras on the way outbound and then swapped batteries after it seemed we’d be able to make it an hour later / the batteries only juuuuust made it to capture the end - but the go around debacle happened with in the first hour and is well covered :)

@bendall2006 7 месяцев назад

So we can count on a good debrief about that mess in a video to come?@@FlightChops

@josephsener420 7 месяцев назад

What day were you flying in?

@FlyingMarc 7 месяцев назад

ipad said Saturday July 22

@BeagleBellow 7 месяцев назад

Get there itis. has killed many pilots. best to land and wait for clearer whether.

@FlightChops 7 месяцев назад

That’s why I shared this one.

@craigpitts2209 7 месяцев назад

Where’s the follow on video of the arrival?

@FlightChops 7 месяцев назад

Editing it now; Have had a busy few weeks. Watch for it later this week.

@danruehl6231 7 месяцев назад

Fisk after a thunderstorm or airport closure is always a shit show.

@FlightChops 7 месяцев назад

Yuuuup.

@danruehl6231 7 месяцев назад

@@FlightChops got my 14 flying a couple months ago….they are amazing machines!

@clarencewiles963 7 месяцев назад

Ok why the zipper hole in the floor of the tent?

@FlightChops 7 месяцев назад

Haha - I'll have to ask Thad :)

@matte1402 7 месяцев назад

Ice fishing maybe?

@FlightChops 7 месяцев назад

@@matte1402 that’s gotta be it - good call.

@Kefoo_ 7 месяцев назад

-- Writer's Constructs: "But it's worth sharing to learn --from-- [in order to learn, for learning, to facilitate learning]" " . . . coolest things, --I got up to-- starting . . ." *_Thank you, FlightChops!_*

@FlightChops 7 месяцев назад

Thanks yeah, I often “write” these voice overs on the fly, and in some cases (like this one) the first take is the last take :)

@gtr1952 7 месяцев назад

Wow!! That's about all I can think of for that. 8( --gary

@undytermined 7 месяцев назад

first!!

@andersanden3221 7 месяцев назад

I am sorry but sirus xm weather is alot of money!

@FlightChops 7 месяцев назад

Aviation is largely expensive, but a subscription is a fraction of the over all cost; the value this data offers for added situational awareness and safety is priceless to me. I guess it depends on the sort of flying you do and what the priorities are.

@FlyingMarc 7 месяцев назад

Your life is worth more. I don't fly IFR without Sirius weather

@andersanden3221 7 месяцев назад

@@FlyingMarc but there is adsb.

@FlyingMarc 7 месяцев назад

@@andersanden3221Not in Canada, or really anywhere besides the US. And even in the US I find the Sirius radar imagery to be a much better representation than what I receive on ADSB