Divided America: why these Americans want to quit their state 

There is no sales tax here

@@Columbiagorgekayaker541 Oregon has high income tax and gross receipts tax.

Everybody in Oregon is represented equally at the Capitol with their own state congressional and senatorial representatives elected by their districts.

@@oscargrouch7962 Yeah but it's not as high as California

@@Columbiagorgekayaker541 California? This video is about Oregon not California.

No. The problem is red diaper doper babies.

This is the right(Republicans) and center-right(democrats) fault. Democrats only want basically little better for people and republicans do not care about people and want to have power over people without any reason at times.

Context: Bc national politics has been bought by corporation

This has nothing to do with identity politics.

It kinds does, but only because it has been so inexorably tied into the bipartisan circus act that American politics has become. It has become some stereotype that if you support renewable energy, then you support the "LGBT agenda whatever" even if you have no opinion on it. It means that if you support LGBT but opposite gun control, you're a fence sitter and subject to ridicule for wanting compromise. It's ridiculous how polarizing both sides have become.

So you’re saying liberals are trying to close down small farms. I bet some of the people who are saying they’re trying to shut down family farms are actually owners of huge farms. Who do you think runs small organic local farms? From what I’ve seen, it’s usually more liberal minded people who want to take care of the planet. Let’s deal in facts. Corporate Ag just feeds off the division while they’re taking over small farms.

As somebody who leans very much on the progressive side of the aisle, I actually agree with this! Big corporations such as Amazon should not control the future of food and agriculture. Especially as they have done far more to destroy the planet than America’s family farmers. In fact, I bet you vast overwhelming majority of the Left would agree.

Weed and LGBT issues are a tiny fraction of the real issues, that are the big cities trying to make their ways of life unlivable from enironmental regulatiosn, taxes, gentrification and gun restrictions.

pip squeeks keep saying that but it doesn't change reality. The United States of America is a Representative Democracy. Your problem is that you hate Democracy which means that you hate America

The republic is a democracy. Those party names mean so little in the grand scope of things.

@@WhitneySmith-ey7dl When I hear these clowns, one after the other saying that the United States isn't a democracy I'm compelled to correct them. I completely understand that it is a Republic within which is a Representative Democracy. Our elections are Democratic elections.

@@WhitneySmith-ey7dl Party names mean everything to the truly demented. As for evidence of that fact, look at how many clowns keep posting the same asinine anti democratic message over and over again on this thread.

@@djpsychosix8235 Therefore the Republic is a Democracy as the constitution calls for elections to be won by majority.

that simplifies it, here it seems to go much deeper from politics, but their sociocultural identity and economy that is much closer to Idaho. It really is two worlds apart.

@@Game_Hero Not sure what your point is.

Indeed it looks like that in every country. Here in Italy is the same. With the difference that while in America you have to deal with just liberals and conservative, in Italy we have a range more wide of ideologies. We have commies, socialists and anarchic in the cities togheter with the vast majority of the people that is between what you call "liberals" and "conservative", we call them democrats or republicans. While in the rural areas we have again anarchics and even fascist people (while not real fascists because they themselves don't know what "Fascism" is, they just pretend to be like that). And are usually more traditional and religious. Against abortion, against foreign religions, pro-traditional family, no LGBT and stuff like that. That's the citizen basin that votes our right wing. Left wing, while being pro to much of these things, they usually ends up being less effective due to internal debate. And we accuse them openly to fail too much. Mostly because the historical left in Italy, namely and specifically the commies, have brought Italy from being a country destroyed by the ww2 to the 7th and later 8th economic power of the planet. And still today the "anti-fascist" constitution we have is an heritage of that past. It grants a shitton of rights, some even Americans don't have. But at the same time it makes burocracy and sustainability of the system a bit of a burden for our economy. Not like the EU and the ECB are not trying to dismantle everything we have, of course not. But we care about our rights. And we won't give them up to Europe. And that's why many voted the right wing... as absurd as it may look, but it happen also in America, popular political crusades are actually carried out by those who usually not share any bounds with the people, with the plebeans. The proletariat. The right wing historically belongs to aristocracy in all it's forms: monarchies, church, bourgesie, industrialists and corporativists... You know, the white collars in America. So that's shocking but at the same time is also understandable since the right usually fights against the needs to change. The correct path would be that of introducing changings slowly, in order to people to understand and accept it. But lately such changing was too fast and people of course fear it and struggle to adapt, especially if the State and current government don't do anything to help that. So it's just 50% win and 50% loss. It's a win because Italy resist to the imposition of changing in what we think it's something bad, it's a loss because the right is doing exactly that: Cutting voices on the budget. Healthcare was cut, edication was cut, pensions was cut. And people soon or later will be furious when they will discover on their skin that those they have voted for to do a job have also done exactly the opposite while pretending to care. Reason why the Meloni government will not last forever. But of course, there will be in any case the elections. So... And I think it's kinda similar to what is happening to America too. People wants politicians to respect their traditions and take care of some of these things, they vote for the only ones that promise these things, but they end up having less than before. In Italy such moment usually anticipate a brilliant victory of the Left. In America... well you guys are about to elect Trump no matter what so you're about to start this cycle. Not ending it. Electing Biden again would be unrealistic. The only other option that have some chance to get the victory is Kennedy. To me, he looks like a good guy. We Italians could give him the seat of President of the Minister's Council. The same Constitution says that you don't have to be Italian to be elected President... 😅 #KennedyForItaly! 🤣🤣🤣

@@BlackDoveNYC that this movement is deeper than just "I don't like them democrats" like some people simplify it, it really does make more sense for everyone for eastern Oregon to join Idaho, they match better on tons of things.

Rural make gmo food, sell guns to gangs and urban make wage slave jobs, more homeless

No single state in the US will be able to seperate. This extremist are just lost living in the 1800s.

And voting for trump. And trying to stage the armed coup when he lost the last election. The rest of the world watches in horror with baited breath. No-one really cares whether Oregon moves it's borders, it's the people who want to that are the worry.

It’s against the constitution to make a new state out of an existing one. There is no law against this and plenty of the counties have voted for it

Well it didn't stop West Virginia .... long after your constitution was adopted

@@terryhoath1983 So West Virgina isn't part of the US anymore? I don't know I'm English, but I thought it was?

They just want to be inside a state that agrees with them, why does western oregon insist in having eastern oregon under its control anyway? Nothing would change for western oregonians at all, you guys just want *control*

Mmmm

@@igorlopes7589 Are you aware that western Oregon subsidizes eastern Oregon so that pot bellied fat assed old men can do things like play dress-up and shoot cap pistols?

Said Putin.

Good to know you support corporate (government) farming. We, on the other hand prefer locally grown vegs, plants and meats. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-c5olm7Nxq44.html

Exactly. Don’t like your county voting to join Idaho you can move to the coast.

@@willieclark2256 That's literally never gonna happen. They can move to Idaho or deal with the political persecution of living in a state where trans people can get healthcare or something idk

Contrary to popular belief, people actually like their homes and communities and want to stay put. Some can't afford to move to Idaho.

@@edwardcumpstey9061 duh, I'm aware of that. I'm just pointing out that these are the kinds of people who will tell others to move out of America if they have any sort of criticism with how things are run here

@@edwardcumpstey9061 The main agitator literally moved from Portland to this small town, then found it was still not conservative enough so he wanted it to become part of Idaho. He could just as well move another few towns over into Idaho himself.

Oh boo hoo! poor victimized baby! baby want to steal 2/3 of Oregon to make himself feel better?

It’s not impossible, it’s about messaging sucks if your tactics within the rules and law it’s fair game.

Liberals in conservative states are in the exact same situation but they don't throw a temper tantrum and try to steal 2/3 of those states

It's called democracy. And if people despise them maybe they should ask why? It's called reflection. Not whining.

@@janes7227 I wish I could just eject them from the USA. They hate democracy because they want an authoritarian dictator namely Trump. All of this nonsense is about Trump. It's all about the clown cult

Why blame young people if older people don't want to change their ways?

@@suzygirl1843 don't put words in my mouth I did not say anything about young people.

Forgot about compromise their is a growing attitude of going out people's way to be cruel towards people they don't agree with.

​@Steve-cg8ek yes...people have lost or forgotten the behavioral trait of respect and being civil. Everyone thinks they are right. Everyone has a right to believe what they believe even if you disagree with them and you also do not have to accept others beliefs or values.

The great American nation was built on compromise, with all you flavourful people it was once your strength, now you have lost that and in my humble opinion will be your downfall, all great empires collapse form within

The notion that Republicans are freedom loving is a myth. It is something said, but not internalized. Freedom to them means the opposite for others. Like the freedom to impose religion.

you can either have lax drug laws or lax gun laws - you can't have both

Makes sense, I suppose, but what's your point? Expect either side to stop? No. There is no end to war and hatred.

Nah. Disagree with that one completely. Fauci and Branden took care of that for me. I'll never vote left again and never trust the left again for anything. Control is what the left wants. Why do you think they pushed the GD juice on everyone and closed everything up? Why do you think they are hysterical about Climate change and Trans this or that. All meant to be the tyranny of the minority.

Even if this analysis is correct it is irrelevant if these counties want to change states there is a process to do that and they have every right to.

Facts are never important when emotions are involved!

.... So if the urban half subsidizes the rural half, doesn't it make sense for the urban half to get rid of the counties that drain their resources?

​@boharcrump6312 So you advocate throwing the baby out with the bathwater... an example if conservative family values. It's tyrany that the fewer than 300,000 in Eastern Oregon want to rule the 4,000,000 in Western Oregon. In a democracy you count the votes and majority rules.

yeah and guess which half feeds and provides raw materials to the other side? If they seperated and were to never communicate again, the big cities would starve and erupt into chaos, the rural areas would just survive with a slight lower standard of living.

And guess which half is slowly crumbling apart.

@RedXlV Actually 2/3 of Idaho is federal land and not for sale. We would welcome conservative reenforcements especially in Coeur d'Alene, Sun Valley and Boise.

Funny how they don't want to actually move to another state with all their complaints

@@danielzhang1916it’s ironic, they would be the first to say “if you don’t like it then perhaps you should move”

Omfg another dumb comment. It's not one guy. It a majority of people in those counties want to become a part of Idaho.

@@user-pi4ih8rl2x Then they can move to Idaho. They don't get to rewrite the state maps just because they want to.

It goes deeper than that... it all boils down to their mothers brainwashing them to believe in the boogeyman even though such a creature isn't real. 🙄

Aye

Indeed. I have noticed many people on both sides of the political aisle confuse pushback with persecution. “I disagree” should not be viewed as the same as “I hate you and you are a terrible person.”

Yes the complete fabricated bullshit from Fox News and company is just tapping into people’s frustrations and general anger about the system and contradictions of capitalism. It’s a smoke and mirrors tactic to prevent people from coming together in solidarity. They’re constantly told the lgbtq community wants to turn all kids gay and trans, teachers are teaching gender theory in k-6, and if we add a few caravans from South America to come in then the entire system will collapse. It’s completely sensationalized or just pure bullshit.

Not only that, but making cities states themselves would guarantee a Democratic senate.

Nothing is permanent . Democratic Party thinks that it has Hispanics and AA permanently on its side . And it gets 40% Wyte vote . Democratic Party used to be the party of segregation . And AA were on the Republicans side . This thing reversed in the past . It can reverse in the future too .

@@AmazingDuckmeister Nothing is permanent . Democratic Party thinks that it has Hispanics and AA permanently on its side . And it gets 40% Wyte vote . Democratic Party used to be the party of segregation . And AA were on the Republicans side . This thing reversed in the past . It can reverse in the future too .

Military is overwhelming Rural Wyte and Urbsn working class Wytes . Don’t forget that . Also these people are most heavily armed . They can easily capture the country by force .

@@AmazingDuckmeister Military is overwhelming Rural Wyte and Urbsn working class Wytes . Don’t forget that . Also these people are most heavily armed . They can easily capture the country by force .

because people follow leaders not with logical reasoning, but rather with ignorant blindness. Its a joke

Who are you people. Are you two evem Americans? 😂 Im starting to realize a lot of foreigners try to get involve in our politics when they, themselves, have nothing to do with us. It's either Eruo Trash or Gukes

Because they want to control you. It’s the same reason they view you as a tax cow

Because communism can only survive off the broken backs and misery of those who are forced to comply or die!!

Because they want (And their very EXISTENCE) depends on raking-in all those Tax $$$'s.

No - there was a bill in Oregon that would’ve made it illegal to slaughter any cattle under 5 years old. Literally just trying to cripple an industry they don’t like but makes up a good portion of economics and culture east of the cascades

@@willieclark2256 ok but think about this. How many average liberal voter actually created that bill? Now how many large corpos who can afford to raise the cows to five did. Now as these farmers start to lose too much money these corpos buy up the farms. It’s a genuine concern and you can actually convince liberals to oppose it. But you need to leave the left right dichotomy to even process this stuff.

@@0jacon0ice0 That would be about as hard as teaching you proper grammar and spelling.

​@willieclark2256 There are thousands of bills introduced, but most of them never get voted upon or passed. That particular bill may only have the support of the legislator who introduced it. The rest of the Legislature may ignore it. There is no reason to be concerned or panic. The legislation never became law.

The corporations love when people misdirect the blame away from them - the people who blame liberals for the actions of corporations might as well consider themselves accomplices.

The left has some great stuff they can be proud of, mostly civil rights. Where I think they struggle is owning their failures. Defund the police was dumb. Big, liberal cities are not beacons of hope, they're sort of miserable, especially in certain areas. I was a teacher and a lot of kids are extremely anxious and depressed in California. When you see kids in the country, they're happy and active and respectful. I know that's anecdotal but it feels pervasive. For me, I'd be more attracted to the left if they acknowledged that instead of acting like this is all inevitable and "progressive." But I'm probably just an ignorant hick.

Its not just hot button issues. There afraid for there lively hood stuff like a requirement for electric lawn mowers seems like a great idea for someone with a house in the city, but is a major problem for someone who has a Large area in the country.

@@LiberRaider The right can be gaddam evil sometimes, but the left is a complete mess of lunatics who advocate unsustainable nonsense as "Progressive". I would really want to see the segregation across ideological lines, so we an see how things pan out when states are run differently. I am very sure the Left would create societies and cities that would turn to a total decadent, broke and unsafe mess (like Portland, Stockholm etc.), and some would soon be trying to move into the territories controlled by the right. Only problem is that, when they do move into these territories they would again advocate their silly policies because the Left never like to take accountability after their failures, it is always "because their policies were not implemented right". The Left has produced kids without discipline, respect for elders/authorities, good mental health and resilience, but they will NEVER take accountability for the mess their ideas eventually create. Yet, they keep on trying to impose these failure-bound mentality & ideas on others just to feel good and "Progressive".

@gen-X-trader >an utter dislike for left-leaning culture I mean, isn't that reason enough? That's good enough reason for a divorce in a marriage. They no longer feel like they can work together to a mutually satisfiable future together, and would like to try with someone else. I'm about as far from conservative as you can get, but I do support them if that's what they want to do. There is a legitimate concern about 2 wolves and a sheep voting on what to eat for dinner here. While, many progressives like to decry the electoral college, it does aim to strike a balance. Democracy ain't just first-past-the-post or majority rule.

The problem is that people don't talk with eachother. What if that ultraconservative father will have a gay son. His whole world will collapse. And what if the LMBTQ community would respect this old-school view of life which those old people don't want to change. (Which is inevitable though, so on the long run those conservatives will sufffer.)

Actually it is lol

No it means you suffer the consequences of what you choose if you’re not careful.

Its majority rule

Democracy is to wolves and a sheep deciding what to have for dinner

Nor is democracy ‘the tyranny of the majority’

Thank you for making Oregon better

Don't forget what could be the worlds largest Lithium deposit

You have things backwards. The country pays the bills.

@@stevengayler8447 Eastern Oregonians are takers. They pay far less in taxes than they receive in benefits from those horrible people in Western Oregon

Lets not act like the government even tries to build infrastructure in the country

No?

To quote the western Oregonians in the video, if you don't like it, why don't you move?

You must be great fun at parties.

“Fight for what you believe in, but shut up and do what you’re told” - This idiot calling them fascists

Good. I hope trump is a fascist leader

​@@John__XCTDS at its finest

Yeah but when those maps were drawn there were no liberal cities. If our predecessors could see the non binary liberals now they would understand the new borders 😂

When their predecessors drew out the map, LGBTQ did not exist.

Can't be that liberal if you're making homophobic jokes...

@@jameswalters3571 A phobia is an irrational fear. Jonpoo is not suffering from an irrational fear so he is not homophobic, just having a snigger at something that DOES look a bit gay even though it is not. They are having fun with their guns and providing the rest of us with entertainment. As Mr Bennet said in "Pride and Prejudice", "'For what do we live, but to make sport for our neighbours, and laugh at them in our turn?".

​@@jameswalters3571he's a troll

​@@jameswalters3571 Seems like it touched a nerve with you, though.

cosplaying is a big part of being a Trumptard

Freedom is based on income.

or democratically decides in what state you want your county to be in, or silence their humanity and concerns by telling them to go away I guess.

⁠​⁠​⁠​⁠@@Game_HeroCounties don’t get to vote what state they’re in LOL 🤣🤣🤣People live in the state they live in. If they don’t like it they can move. It’s called personal accountability.

@@MM-xc2bt yeah but you are free to pursue a higher paycheck. Chinese nationals are wealthier than ever but still need government approval to travel abroad.

@thomasmcroy1756 no you are not! To get higher paying job you have to have the $$ and time to go to college or trade school. And in a pos country that makes food, roof over head and health care luxuries. You have to work multiple jobs and still have to steal to eat with no time or $$ for further education.

The can MOVE TO IDAHO. What they don't get to do is STEAL 2/3 of Oregon. How simple minded are you?

Absolutely. Borders are like marriages. When they don't work for the people in them, they should be dissolved, and the messiest part is divvying up the common assets.

What state would Central Texas join?

Yes, please leave.

I see Panorda box might be open if this happens. Who next, illinois leaving Chicago or southwestern Virginia & western Maryland joining west Virginia. Update new york become its own state.

​@malachyramirez7677 nah merge all the states and then divide them in 2 all democrat voting counties in 1 and all republican voting in the other sure the new. Borders will look like a tumour but no more problems then /s

I do not agree with them but West Virginia does exist.

Timothy McVeigh says hi

Pretty gross comparing simple democratic change of one constituency for another and a full-on pointless war to keep holding people as property. Frankly, if I was african-american, I'd be offended by this being used so casually like this.

@@Game_Hero but you're not, so you can save yourself the faux outrage and move to a conservative or liberal state if you want to. Old timers in Oregon don't want to move to Idaho but complain all day long that there's an imaginary boot on their neck

You could argue the right has compromised far more than the left in the last 100 years. The left doesn't see it as compromise, they see it as progress. They will riot and burn things down when they feel out of options. The right tends to get political, organize and vote or move away and isolate. Neither is a great strategy for compromise and democratic strength. We're in a pickle.

Neither Salem nor Olympia offer compromise; they tell the rural citizenry to shut their mouths, lower their heads, and pay the taxation levels that are theft rate and be happy about it. The Woke fanaticism that controls both Washington State and Oregon State politics allows for no compromise. This is the reality for rural citizens on the east side of the Cascade Range of the two States. I was born and raised in Western Washington State, and finished high school in Wyoming, and have family in Western Oregon, so I know all about the specifics of what's going on politically, culturally, and economically in both of those states. Sadly, both Olympia and Salem are too stupid, too arrogant, and too narcissistic, to understand just how dangerous a situation now exists in both States. Cheers from the Oil Patch in Central Wyoming USA

Who exactly did you mean when you said Olympia and Salem? Are you referring to the ordinary voters or the politicians?

@@LuciThomasHardylover-qx6tslike they know who they are angry at. The same “woke” politicians they hate just unleashed cops and “counter protesters” on college kids sitting in the quad. There is no “woke left” politically in America. There is a center right party and a far right party. There is no “”woke left” politically speaking in the US. Biden just tried to ram through a 100% GOP immigration bill and has still yet tot act on abortion. That’s not how a “woke left” party responds to election wins, by giving in. Heck the GOO loses electorally and they still win policy wise.

The electoral college is undemocratic. This is just another attempt to get more electoral votes for republicans.

Yep - just straight up talking utter bullshit

@Jonpoo1 ..This is ''middle America'' for ya...many are easly misled, miseducated and brainwashed with xenophobia and hatred.

They want 'freedom' but don't want to do any thinking for themselves. These people are just stupid and I genuinely have no time for them.

Exactly millions of conservatives think Trans people are attacking people in bathrooms, which has happened a total of 1 time. And think that this imaginary problem is worth reducing people's rights.

LGBTQ RSTUVWXYZ is being pushed down our throats! Enough already! Look at Eurovision…..not 1 normal person….FREAK SHOW

Medal?

@@sTraYa249 Medal? It’s just an opinion, love. You might need to source some better coping strategies as your current ones clearly aren’t working.👍

Your instinct was unreliable. The Red Indians were at that time a Stone Age people, and they were quite savage and warlike.

Would you care to provide an expanded understanding for the context of your statement? I live in Wyoming and have Arapahoe friends, Ogallala Sioux friends, Crow, as well as Alaskan Inuit family, and a variety of Washington State local peoples, having gone to school with many members of the peoples cited. I'm 1/16 Cherokee, raised by 1/4 Cherokee Gramm, and a Half Blood Chocktaw Grandfather. My point is that for me, American Indians are not esoteric, or theoretical concepts: they are real people, with real cultures I have experienced and understand, as well as the whole concept of what it means to live on the Rez (Reservation). Prior to my grandfolks taking me in, I lived in public housing in a poor, across the tracks, section of a town in Western Washington, a stone's throw from the Tulalip Reservation, which is a stone's throw from the Quileute area, and later lived and traveled in the Nooksack lands (great hobby gold prospecting area), in the Nooksack Valley just South of Bellingham WA. While I finished high school out of Wyoming, I grew up in the Puget Sound area, so I know exactly what channel 4 video on this issue actually means to the people who live there, because the very same debate that is going on in Oregon is happening in Washington State at this very moment. The bottom line is that the rural people in the Eastern sides of both Washington State and Oregon State are being oppressed and downtrodden by the higher population progressive Woke fanatics on the western side of the Cascade Range: that pro-abortion older woman kept lying through her teeth about working through the system; the Woke fanatics in Salem and in Olympia do not listen to the people on the east sides of the Cascade Range: as the saying goes in the West they treat them like a bunch of 'Red-Headed Step Children'; beating the daylights out of them in taxation and oppressive laws, rules, and regulations, but denying them their rights. They tell people on the East side of the Cascade Range to shut their mouths and accept everything that Salem and Olympia shovel down their throats. This is why you have movements in both East Washington and East Oregon to separate from the West sides of their dictatorial overlords in Salem and Olympia. This is the true reason why those movements exist. Cheers from the Oil Patch in Central Wyoming USA

@@herculeholmes504 Nah. My instinct was right. If I were asked tomorrow to ride out with the cowboys or the injuns, it’d be with the latter all the way into the sunset. 🐎 🌅

As someone in a rural area that is utter bs. The city's take the money from taxes in the rural areas to prop up failing city's. It is well known by people in the country side that money they are taxed gets mainly sent to the city's. Been like that from time and memoriam. Also...why not let them have that? If they succeed they succeed if they fail they fail. Sounds quite sense able. Unless you believe in the too big to fail mindset.

@@ChronaDecroxyeah, because their opinion on what happens to their tax money and how their finances are run is soooo believable and well informed /s. They totally pay attention to politics and their taxes beyond just the amount they have to pay. That’s like asking a man who beats his wife weather she deserves it or not. Or asking a salesperson if his product is the best there is. Or asking a student if they deserve their grade. Completely unreliable

@@ChronaDecroxWait until your hospitals start closing because the urban tax base is gone.

@@yucol5661 that's quite elites of you. Look at the inverse. The city's would have more money to spend on their own things. How many city's have crime or homeless problems. Why not let it happen so we can learn what works. From what I know of history most city's depend on the country side.

@@ChronaDecrox What is your source on this? Every single article on the matter from local news in Oregon mentions how the city of Portland subsidizes these counties. 90% of the countries GDP comes from Major Metropolitan areas (cities and the suburbs that directly surround them). I think you are just conflating your feelings with what is true. Facts say otherwise. It is usually cities that always subsidized rural areas throughout history. It was FDR's Tennessee Valley Authority that brought power and water to large swaths of areas in the Southeast at a great cost of billions of dollars. The TVA's budget was greater than the GDP of the areas that it was built in for example.

We wouldn't have riots and revolts if we didn't have injustices ignored by our political elites.

From wikipedia: Freedom of speech and expression, therefore, may not be recognized as being absolute, and common limitations or boundaries to freedom of speech relate to libel, slander, obscenity, pornography, sedition, incitement, fighting words, hate speech, classified information, copyright violation, trade secrets, food labeling, non-disclosure agreements, the right to privacy, dignity, the right to be forgotten, public security, blasphemy and perjury. Justifications for such include the harm principle, proposed by John Stuart Mill in On Liberty, which suggests that "the only purpose for which power can be rightfully exercised over any member of a civilized community, against his will, is to prevent harm to others". You mentioned a seditious civil war somewhere in there...

No we don't. Like why should someone have to put up with someone else's socially backwards and harmful views

Seditious civil war? You little tyrants really do lose your minds when the Right stands up to you. These counties are engaged in a 100% legal process that is part of the design of this country.

I'm sure democrats in Texas and other red states feel captive too

don't worry, the clowns with the cap guns aren't going anywhere. Greater Idaho is a farce

DC was never ment to be a state. Puerto Rico has voted against statehood.

@@tylerkriesel8590 The head of government was never meant to be part of a state is what you mean. The current plan would be to keep congress, White House, etc as the District of Columbia, and have the surrounding city become a state. As for Puerto Rico, I’m pretty sure they’ve voted for statehood twice now, so I don’t know what you are talking about

@@tylerkriesel8590 Puerto Rico voted for statehood in 2020

you think you have the right to dictate to woman what happens to their own bodies. You are a disgrace

It's a good question.

Much less than urban. But land can’t vote.

@@TheTrueOnyxRose you're exactly right about that. unfortunately, the pot bellied fat assed cap pistol shooting dullards don't seem able to comprehend that fact

​@@TheTrueOnyxRoseNeither can communists. That land, which makes your food, has people living on it.

​@@Red-Check-Marklol source

because...you like your hometown?

@@Game_Hero nuh feeling bonded to your hometown is a crazy right-wing extremist idea.

Sell to who?

@@Game_Herowell they seem to hate their hometown, having to live under such horrible imposed restrictions...

@@murraymadness4674 you hardly have any control over the evolution of the course of nature and economy.

Not so Ivan, the USA is a DEMOCRATIC Constitutional Republic which is a Representative DEMOCRACY. Now go tell that to the other trolls in your Moscow troll farm

Lol. Libertarian is just a scape goat republican. A libertarian is just a Republican until the Republican ruler does something dumb, then the libertarian say, that's not me, I'm right but not crazy.

@@johnnygoodman2003 are you stupid ? I just said I support LGBT rights and am for equal marriage . I argue with Republicans all the time on it and foreign intervention . Libertarians are for closing down us military bases in other countries and cutting the military industrial complex which republicans and democrats love. I don’t support censoring anyone for protesting for Palestine or Israel either . How is that a scape goat for republicans ?

@@theprofessional155 libertarians are dummies who read Atlas Shrugged and took it seriously. Ayn Rand was a psycho

You label yourself a libertarian yet you write that legalizing drugs destroyed Portland. Shouldn't an actual libertarian want drugs to be legal, to put the responsibility for safe use on individuals? If you were a libertarian then, just as you want no gun restrictions (trusting individuals to make the right choices), you should also want no drug restrictions. I suspect you are a "libertarian" only so far as it suits your tastes. Any response?

@@danielcrawford4134 Yes. I support decriminalization of drug possession but that doesn't mean I don't want drug dealers arrested. I would support a system like Portugal when it comes to drug issues. Portland claimed to want to copy it but in Portugal those drugs are still illegal they just don't arrest you for it. Instead they force you to go to rehab and fund their clinics. Portland did not fund its clinics as well and officers gave addicts a paper and told them to call the drug help hotline. It was a giant failure and now politicians are criminalizing it again. Also I very much consider myself a libertarian but that doesn't mean I have to agree with 100% of the party. I am assuming you are a democrat but if you disagree with one mainstream view of the party are you not a democrat? Now that I have answered your question. I would like an answer to my question. Why should people in East Oregon be subject to the same gun restrictions as in Portland when the vast majority of people out there do not support those policies?

and they get an immediate 40% pay cut. Oregon's minimum wage is exactly 40% higher. They also get to pay a sales tax and don't forget, the multiTRILLION dollar price tag for the land grab will send Idaho taxes soaring for generations. I guess this all makes perfect sense to a cap pistol shooting fatty

plus a nice 50% wage cut

Ok, no one minds 🤷🏿‍♂️

​@PendeltonWhiskey so a 60% reduction in prices too?

@@MegrelMambaJust move already, less job competition for me 😂

Democrats controlled Indiana in the 90s

Mmmm

My parents left IL in the 90s to come to NWI because it’s basically the same Chicagoland they’re used to but without failing public schools, high crime, and high tax burdens - the South Heights to Crown Point pipeline was massive in the 90s and like half of the people in South Lake County I knew had a background in IL, either born there or one generation removed. Hammond and Gary keep the Region blue but don’t be surprised if IN-01 swings red in our lifetime, it’s trending that way. I think people always vote with their feet but maybe there’s a sense on the left of the eventuality of their goals and a sense on the right that it’s “now or never?” As a conservative myself I’d try to flatter my side by saying were bigger on devolving more autonomy to local levels, so the libs of Asheville or Atlanta don’t feel the pressure of their state laws quite as strict, but I know that’s not true… Might be as simple as living in a purple area has its pluses, plenty of people hold their nose to live in a place that’s more affordable.

Hello? I'd like to to inform you of CHAZ, Seattle, where by violence and complete intolerance of not anything extreme left, large groups of people ANNEXED several districts in the City, (even though a lot of them didn't live there) and declared complete independence from the United States. It took armed force to restore those districts.

But clinate change will, if we dont do anything.

No but the actions that people who are not informed have harm such communities and effectively do this. This is occurring in Europe and there have been mass protests as a result.

I wonder if these mutants cry for the horse and buggy operators that had to shut down...

Mmm

Idaho is beautiful, move there

@@PendeltonWhiskey There are more homeless people in Portland than entire state of Idaho.

@@nikhilnewse3318there are more republicans in the Portland area than republicans in the entire state of Idaho. You do this silencing of conservative voices to yourself with your electoral college

This seems like a really shoddy economic argument. Economic activity being concentrated in dense urban areas, OK. But precisely what types of economic activity are concentrated in those areas? And what types are concentrated in the rural ones that want to leave? Would the level of infrastructure investment change if the conservative counties switched to a bordering state's administration? One where there's a better appreciation for traditional industries and a lot more votes for targeted fiscal support? Furthermore, should rural Oregon residents be more grateful for other taxpayers' support if they experience geographic disparities regardless?

@@jameswalters3571 Why do you assume there IS any meaningful economic activity in eastern OR? The publicly available numbers indicate otherwise.

@@kenhbeach Cities don't grow food. And in places like Colorado and Oregon I see videos where the liberals overreach in telling farmers what they should do (and mostly what they shouldn't do) to stop using fossil fuels. Farmers don't try to tell you how to do your job, don't tell them how to do theirs. Watch Clarkson's Farm. Its great.

There is a whole media structure-Fox/OAN etc etc-dedicated to keeping the outrageometer at 11,plenty of money to be made stoking that fire...see also religious grifters fleecing their flock with scary tales of how 5 yr old grandchilden are being forced to become gay or trans..

you apparently aren't paying attention

Yeah because people like you demand that everyone do what you want

@@adamheuer8502 need a tissue?

It's happened before.

Cope harder.🤠

Not a bad idea.

Very true, many states with their local governances will use sleazy tactics to get what they want.

Whose business is it? Lax gun laws have a terrible effect on everyone, not just gun owners. People who insist on having massive diesel cars are damaging the world for everyone, not just themselves.

Business is not whole life. Americnas maybe learn it sometimes.

That’s is exactly the wrong thing to do. The issue is we aren’t talking to each other. We need to hold Q &A’s for both sides to come to understandings and compromise so we can find a solution

if you try to steal 2/3 of my state you'll find that you've bitten off far more than you can chew

@@PendeltonWhiskey Nonsense, people in Portland couldn't give a rip about rural areas.

@@starventure they pay your way. You're a monkey on their backs. You should be grateful to them for paying for your infrastructure, your schools and hospitals, but no, your completely ungrateful .

@@starventure you should be more grateful towards your benefactors. The hard working taxpayers of western Oregon have been supporting you for at least a hundred years

@@PendeltonWhiskey What are you gonna do? Go to women's bathroom with tampons? Since your Demcrats don't even own the guns.

Not too familiar with Wisconsins political landscape I take it

Brits don't understand a lot of things.

Clearly they mean after. And you would prefer it, as well.

@@tomcarl8021 as a native, no I woudn't but thanks for whitesplainin' your views.

@@mikeferrini8884 You're welcome. Enjoy the internet, and modern life, thanks to us.

"As a native"... oh boy like I'm sorry your ancestors didn't develop the technology needed to fend off the Europeans. Now calm down and go take some percs

So you want tribal warfare? over 400 years of Iroquois' butchering taking slaves etc to bad the white man had to stop them from selling each other. We even fed the children left orphaned by the tribal wars.

We always have to copy them for some reason

The moment anyone uses the word "woke", everyone immediately knows what the side you are on, which is, conservativism. If not, you would use the word progressivism. You just can't bear to say you're against progress, can you?

@herlandercarvalho I'm on nobody's side I just think we need to find ways to coexist

​@herlandercarvalho Why so confrontational? Kind of emphasises the point doesn't it.

​@@herlandercarvalhoProgressive policies Progressively make things worse.

exactly, and I am one of those. I have no desire to wake up one morning and finding myself in Idaho

Thanks for making Oregon better by leaving

@@PendeltonWhiskey no problem. Good luck with your meth addiction

Why would they ban small farming?

@@CbsOmegaOmniX the big corporate dairy farmers paid some crooked legislators to change the laws on small dairy farmers but it's been such a disaster that the state backed off. That won't keep the Reich wing fanatics from pretending that those laws are still on the books.