This is by far the cleanest, best looking PVC dust collection , and your modified dust collector. Looks fantastic and your shop in general is just all nice installation. Love the wood burner.
I was really surprised how much cutting power (and torque) this saw had out of the box. I've used other (10" saws) previously and was pretty surprised with the speed and cutting ability of this Dewalt saw.I have bolted mine to a table to minimize movement which I highly recommend.This is a Great saw ru-vid.comUgkxPeGkHOMe05FySypTOvYumxMn-xi39oRe with a light to see your cutting line (not a laser line).I'd recommend this saw fro anyone looking to upgrade from a 10" miter saw.
Love the fact that you’re starting with dust collection. Putting that in first allows for great growth even when your still working with the rubbermade outfeed table. I moved in to my shop and in it three years and suffering through the pains of moving parts, pieces, racks and what not to get it in right.
Very nice installation and video about it. Your shop apprentice seems very eager as well. I have had the same Wen fitration box for about 18 months - I like it. I also noticed your dehumidifier unit. I also have one in my shop, and like having it. For mine, I placed a condensate pump behind it and ran the dehumidifier condnesate into it. The condensare then gets automatically pumped outside through the wall. I have also found that besides personal comfort, having a dehumidifier shortens the time it takes for air-dried lumber to reach a stable dryness in the shop.
I think this is the best set up I’ve seen for garage shops. I like it! I think when I do mine I’d like to have/make a view window for the dust and fine dust collection bins to see when they need to be emptied.
Nice video, really good editing to get rid of dead space. I actually watched the whole thing for that reason; good information without a lot of wasted time, nice job.
Great set up. The only thing I would say is to make sure all your bast gates are as close to the suction source as possible. Couldn’t tell if you did this but your set up with the cyclone and the filter is top notch. Thanks for the video.
The power unit looks pretty professional. The 40' hose basically makes it a central vac too as that's a nice touch. In the future if you wanted to make it "remote control" you could get a 24 V transformer, relay, switches and doorbell wire and have power switches at each blast gate to power the system on and off like the way central vacs are powered.
I have never seen your channel before and I have to say as a career plumber I approve of the way you assembled your system. Your shut off valves or gate valves. Whatever you wanna call them at all the diversion points are smart and you do not have unnecessary bends that would cause increased turbulence. What some people may not understand is increased turbulence causes a decreased airflow and decreased airflow. Causes solids to drop from the airstream where they will accumulate in any location they can. It’s the same concept in plumbing with solids interceptors and inversely with grease traps. I am going to save this video so that I can mimic this system after I move next year because it is brilliant. I didn’t even know some of the stuff existed that you have used because I’m just starting woodworking, but it is just that - brilliant.
A potential upgrade to the system, is moving the canister filter and 5 gallon bucket outside the shop, in it's own enclosed, but breathable area. Like those outside hot water heater cabinets. Then, even the 1 micron particles, are going outside the shop and not where you are working.
Great idea, IF or WHEN your workshop air is not conditioned. When interior air is conditioned, venting outdoors wastes electricity and money. Some woodworkers do vent outdoors when the weather is moderate and they are not heating or cooling; otherwise, no. Some of us live with neighbors nearby and it would not be feasible.
I bought a "pet" pup tent at Amazon for less than $20 and attached it around my miter saw, even without vacuum, it captures 95% of the dust. since it is soft sides, you can pivot your saw with no problem. The back half of the tent hangs off my table which allows clean out to happen less frequently and I have just used my shop vac to clean it out. Since I just bought a central vac, I will be attaching it to the bottom of the tent.
Just came across your channel. Your videos are spot on, and are exactly what I’m after right now. I’m currently in the process of getting a big metal shop. Slab is being poured tomorrow, weather permitting. I’m wanting to do the exact same type of dust collection, insulation, and lighting as you. Great videos, keep them coming!
Actually a sweep elbow 90 is better than 2 close coupled 45s. That may be an option for your under bench connection. Great job , enjoy your videos. I plan on doing some testing on various fitting combinations once I get my dust system up and running.
PVC pipe likes to create static electricity and can cause a static discharge, fire, or even something called a static explosion. So I hope you have something in place that happens.
Great video im planing on doing the same setup the only thing i cant find is the 5 to 4 inch y coming off the dust deputy only thing i can find is the 6 to 4 is that what you used with tape to make up the space
After watching this video and your last video, I finally feel like I understand how the DC systems work. The only question I have is about the Wen filter mounted in the ceiling. Did I hear that it only filters to .5 micron? Isn't that the same as the original bag filter on the dust collector provided? Shouldn't the ceiling-mounted filter be trying to filter out the .1 micron the escapes from the dust collector?
Looks great. My only real comment is that maybe you'd be better off to hang the wen filter box off some of those rope things that let you lift and lower them, to make changing the filters easier, and probably get more fine dust out of the air.
I’m just stopping by to see if your system has had any issues with fire or explosion due to not being grounded. I’ve heard PVC can be dangerous, but I personally don’t have any experience with it. Any problems yet?
There have been plenty of studies done on this. It turns out that, even under lab conditions, researchers have to work VERY HARD to create that kind of explosion in a "real-world" scenario (i.e. not using some type of external source to spark or create a flame). It's ALMOST impossible to have an explosion in a dust collection system from static electricity in PVC pipe.
Large scale industrial facilities such as grain elevators, sugar mills, coal mines AND plants creating huge amounts of wood dust have had MANY TRAGIC fires and explosions, with fine dust being the main factor. My garage - one tool at a time, with garage door and side door open, two fans running - will NEVER have anything remotely like that amount or density of fine dust. Could you get a little static? Yes. Fire or explosion? Unlikely. Paint and varnish probably pose a much greater fire hazard in a small shop. Keep an extinguisher on hand. Use your own judgement.
Thanks for the extensive shopping list/ links. However, I was wondering if you were keeping track of the total cost of your system? Of course this will vary based on every different shop's needs/ layout, but that would be helpful to just ballpark. Also, sorry, I'm going to jump on the bandwagon here, any issues with static dust cling to the inside or outside of your PVC after 15 months? I've just heard of (or seen, via YT) so many unsightly if not dangerous situations.
I recently purchased a dust collection machine. Since a have limited space in my shop, I needed to get a compact roll-around unit. It only provides 750cfm w/4” intake. I would like to install some ducting in my shop but thought perhaps my unit wasn’t powerful enough for that. Can you tell what the cfm of your unit is and- since this video is now 2yrs old, how’s it been working for you.
Hi , Nice set up . Wondering how you system is working any plugs up .I have 2 hp harbor freight and dust deputy also but when I use my 3 hp planer I have trouble with cloging and the y and gate is 2 ft.away from deputy and about 8 ft.of 4 inch hose .l.m retired pipefitter/ plumber so.it installed right .any suggestions. I,m planing 24 year.dry maple so it make about 3in long curls about 3/16 round . And have 2000 ft to go so any help would be appreciated.
Love the install I am about to do the same thing and I have a question . Do you buy into the static electricity danger at all about PVC with no ground wore or is it all BS??
I've heard alot of conflicting info, but it seems to really only be an issue for large commercial type operations. Pvc is an insulator so there is no real way to ground it. You'd have to use metal ducting to properly ground it
I really like the system you put together and think I might do the same but I have a question seeing how you have had it 10 months or so are you still happy with it. Have you had any problems. Would you have changed anything
Question, I ordered the floor sweep and the brush bench attachment you reference about 7:47 in the video. The floor sweep came with a wall clip but the bench brush attachment didn’t. POWERTEC doesn’t sell just the clip. Where did you get another?
SDR 35 DVW piping is great for dust collection, however I can't find any of this in southern CA today. Home Depot had zero, Lowes had a half a dozen fittings and 2 sticks of pipe, Landscape supply houses have none. Just wondering if anyone else has had issues with buying this material?
Great video on the dust collection system it seems to function very well. I like the idea for using the thin wall pvc pipe instead of the metal duct work. It sounds like you have plans for expanding with more tools in the shop. Just curious what size electrical service do you have for your shop?
I don't have a static issue but I've seen people try to ground it with copper wire, although pvc is an insulator so there no really good way to ground it.
@PatriotDIY I understand what you're saying I was referring to a 45 degree T that would allow the line to continue. I didn't know if the Wyes helped with the flow of sawdust since they aren't a hard angle . And thank you very much for the reply. It's rare to get one. I appreciate it.
How did you attach the 4-inch blast gate to the 4-inch PVC since they are not the same diameter? I tried to purchase some 4-inch pipe but my blast gate and other components flopped about in the OD of the PVC pipe and easily had to have a 3/8" gap between the vacuum components and the pipe. Any help is very much appreciated.
Can you give me the specific model number of the canister system from Wynn you ordered. I’m a bit confused on the models. I’m designing mine almost exactly like yours. I have a corner in my shop unused. This is the perfect system I’m Looking for.
I’m getting ready to do the same thing with the same dust collector, same filter, 4” drainage pipe. My question, since this video, how happy have you been with the performance? Worst case I would like the suction to stay the same as it is in stock form, just without blowing fine dust everywhere. You gain more suction with the better filter, but my concern is, do you loose more suction then you gained with the better filter with the duct system?
I never ran the collector in its stock configuration so not sure about the difference... But I'm happy with the performance! it works well at every position and does what i want it to do. IT SUCKS!
Everything and anything added to a dust collection system or even a shop vac - a filter, a filter bag, a hose, longer hose, longer pipe, bends and turns, etc - they ALL cause some loss. And while that is something to keep in mind, the real objective is not to maintain max air flow, but to collect dust, to capture as much as possible, and to collect it as close to the source as possible. EVERY decision we make represents a trade off! However, some decisions are better - more productive, or more effective - than others. For example, a pleated filter has MUCH more surface area than the stock fabric filter bag - aka a dust pump - so it enables the unit to move more air. Good decision! Use of a dust separator - good decision! Straighter runs as opposed to many bends and turns - good decision! Long radius bends in lieu of tight turns - good decision! Maximum use of smooth pipe and minimal use of flex hose - good decision! There are two main principles that make dust collection work - momentum and gravity. Make them work for you! Best wishes and good luck!
@@joedance14 I’m curious about the gravity part of your comment because I was thinking about that. Running ductwork up to the ceiling would absolutely hurt efficiency in moving chips, dust particles. I don’t have a basement underneath but I could run my ductwork low along the wall and only lift up to the collector instead of 8’-8 1/2’ to the ceiling. I haven’t done anything yet because I need to upgrade my dust collector ( Laguna B-flex)
A lot of folks run dust collection high on the wall, for various reasons: to leave space for cabinets, shelves, lumber racks, tools, etc. Does not seem to cause a problem as long as the DC is powerful enough. A shopvac or smallish DC should probably not be piped at all, in most cases. Just connect to one tool at a time. The last several feet - at least five feet - of pipe approaching the dust separator should be straight, with no drops, bends or anything else that could cause turbulence. You want a nice smooth flow coming in to dust separator. In that last stretch - at least five feet - the pipe should also slope down about 9-11 degrees toward the dust separator, according to ClearVue and others. For my part, I try to make the main run slope from the far end all the way to the dust separator. It does not have to be a steep slope, but 10 degrees or so enables gravity to help. A dust separator is the one place in dust collection where we want dust and chips to LOSE momentum and fall into the bin or drum. Fast moving particles do not want to fall. A cyclone narrows from top to bottom, inducing the particles to lose momentum and fall. A small Dust Deputy is around 16-18 inches tall. The Super Dust Deputy is 23 inches tall, if my memory is correct. Larger cyclones can be much taller. Industrial cyclones can be two to four stories tall, or taller. It gives the particles time and space to slow and fall - ie, time for gravity to take effect. Some DIY Thien baffle dust separators are just several inches high, giving gravity very little time to work. But the same principles apply: momentum and gravity. A dust separator needs height so gravity can take over, and pull dust and chips downward. Hope this helps. Best wishes and stay safe!
I'm a retired Master Plumber and you did a very nice job with the pvc piping. I have heard horror stories about static electricity and pvc dust collection systems. Do you have any problems with static electricity, and if you do, how are you dealing with it?
@@carlcarlssen4299 Dust collection systems by their very nature transport high volumes of very fine dust. And just like an inflated balloon creates static electric when you repeatedly rub it, so does plastic dust collection piping when large volumes of dust particles are transported through it at high velocity. Without a way to discharge the static electricity to ground, enough electricity can build up to set you on your ass. Or worst case scenario, the static electricity can create a spark that can lead to an explosion in a dust rich environment. It doesn't happen very often, but it can. That's why most of my dust collection piping is made of grounded 28ga sheet metal piping, and when I do use plastic piping I make sure that section is sufficiently grounded.
I think the risk of static in a small system like this is over exaggerated. Also pvc is an insulator so it's pretty impossible to ground effectively. You'd need to use metal ducting to properly ground it.
@@PatriotDIY The risk of static is higher than you think. PVC is notorious for static build up. Finer dust running thru your system can actually explode! You need to run a ground wire along all of you 4" piping. They sell a small gauge braided ground wire for this. Just wrap it in long spirals around your pipe and fasten it where you have screws in your pipe and to your dust collector frame.
@@PatriotDIY Im aware of that, was hoping to see an example. Have seen one example on youtube where someone ran a screw at each end of pipe, then connected bare wire inside pipe from each screw, ran outside of screw to ground. Also used the outside of the screws to wire each section of pipe or elbow etc together.
@@PatriotDIY Believe what you want, but I have been doing both electrical work and woodworking for longer than you have been on this earth! I AM a professional! The PVC may be an insulator. but the static charge will build up on both the interior and exterior of the pipe caused by the friction of the sawdust and air moving thru the pipe. Have you ever seen a sawdust explosion? I have! It's not a pretty site! SO, you can believe what you want, or you can take the advice of someone who's been around the block a few more times than you have. What's the worst that could happen, you have to spend a few bucks to save your shop and your life? ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-XtkHzmXe4ZA.html ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-C1RWjLP5QF0.html ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-cjEt25FH95s.html ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-WJ8NMYlhaLQ.html ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-9HhDJqozDNg.html ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-9HhDJqozDNg.html
So you know that if you don't ground that pvc with a wire running in the pipe, static electricity can build up and cause an explosion, right? Oh well though potentially deadly it sure looks nice. Next time start from the dust collector with larger pipe and gradually go smaller to the machine for airflow. And IN CASE YOU MISSED IT GROUND THAT PIPE.
4in pipe all the way to the machine works wonderfully. And static build-up in a small hobby shop is not an issue. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-yA22kTtV4XI.html ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-WJ8NMYlhaLQ.html
For the record, the pipe you were using is schedule 20 SDR. It’s probably easy to order online instead of finding it in store because it’s only used for downspouts pretty much; it cannot be used underground because it will collapse.
I do also... I just sealed the duct work on the inside and outside. Similarly to how a dryer duct is routed outside. I'm a licensed carpenter, so I have a lot of framing and duct work knowledge to know what to do and not to do. You have a very nice looking shop and did a good job on your vacuum system
Great job but I need to see your sons union card cause he looks to be a little young. And see his bank accounts to see if he’s getting paid union wage. 😂🤓
Hydrodynamics show that the total number of degrees in a conduit results in the same total amount of restriction regardless of how that total number of angles is distributed.
You should have gone with 6”. With that much duct work, you will eventually need to upgrade your dust collector and any respectable/good quality collector has a 6” input. Trust me. I’ve made this mistake before.
Respectfully, this is not a professional cabinet shop. This works great for my needs, plenty of suction at every tool. 4" is enough for MOST small shops.
Plastic pipe builds up a lot of static, adding those metal screws amplifies that. It doesn’t take much to ignite small wood dust particles. Please don’t do this, or at the very least make sure you’ve grounded the pipe well. Cheaper is not always be better if this goes pear-shaped.
@@PatriotDIY tyranny? What Tyranny... And freedom, what freedom. Patriots only view "good " Americans", as only Anglo Saxon. And if we have so much freedom then explain democrat VS republican states....you really think democrat states are in despair because of minorities causing mayhem?...
@@PatriotDIY also the phrase "fought for", implies someone invaded ones territory and thus, fought for what's theirs....U.S. History is about " invading", and taking the land and killing off the natives. Then acting proud and patriotic a few decades after....welcoming only Anglo Saxons with open arms...Trump sums that up perfectly...I'm sure, and I bet my life that you vote for Trump...
@Carl Carlssen You ever heard of the American Revolution? This was a British colony under the tyranny of a king. We were farmers and shop keepers who fought for our freedom with little or no provisions against the greatest military power the world had ever seen....and we won. So yes...hard fBible! There was no American history before that! And you say American history is about taking land....why don't you take a look at some WORLD history, every civilization since the begining of time has expanded and faught and conquered land and taken from weaker people. Including the natives who fought raped and murdered other tribes for thier land....Europeans coming here and settling and yes taking land was nothing new, the natives did it to each other and so did every other country in the world!! It's only been in the last 75-100 years that that has changed... though it still happens in places all over the world still today, middle east, china, Ukraine, africa, etc
