Thanks so much to David for working with us on this crazy idea! Make sure you go watch Part 1 on his channel first (AND SUBSCRIBE!): ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-UMouR9P6gW0.html
I actually liked them better with the holes. Sounded brighter and had more attack. An idea for your hole punches David. Most punches are sharpened from the outside creating a slope of the metal to a point. That’s what is creating that flared hole. If you made your own punches where they were sharpened from the inside out, there wouldn’t be any flare in the hole.
I think the floor tom especially sound great. You say it doesn't target overtones but it eliminates that post-hit rumble you often get on floor toms. A lot more attack in general.
I'd like to see regular heads on batter, drilled on reso's, including bass.. I mean, when your striking the batter, you're pushing the air towards the reso, These sound good, don't get me wrong. I like these heads. But I looking at the physics of it too.
I just noticed a tiny hole on the edge of my snare side head from the corner of the snare end and if it makes any difference it sure isn't worse. And I would be less worried about a reso side as I play louder styles of music to say the least.
Two of my favorite RU-vid channels! Don't get me wrong, guys like Mike Johnston and Jared Falk are fantastic for lessons, but what you guys and David do is unique. I'd love to see more crossover.
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@Brad D They say it's because they don't wanna break it, and they're going to display it somewhere. Still would have liked to hear it but I wouldn't be surprised if just tuning it would result in some tearing.
Ya’ll... this was awesome! I loved the collaboration between two of my favorite channels. I really enjoyed getting to see the craftsmanship David used in modifying these heads, and then getting to hear the subtly drastic differences in the two heads. A million thumbs up on a great video! One thing that I’ve done before to try and get a good tone from my toms (mainly my 14” floor tom) was just putting one or two pieces of moon gel on the reso head to eat up some of those unwanted overtones and shorten the sustain.
Hey, I got a super dope idea for you guys (and maybe RDR cuz he loves drillin holes in stuff). How bout a bass drum (batter) version with larger holes (similar to those DW bass drum reso heads)?. Might be interesting, or might kinda blow, who knows 🤔
Genera HD DRY is my choice for snare head's in years, and if evans make this heads just like in this video, i'il bought for sure to give it a try, in the video I liked the response!
Gotta be honest - think I'd use these on everything BUT the snare LOL, love how it kills some of the more obnoxious ringing from toms, but I love having an open [tight] snare too. C'mon Evans, where you at with these G2 dry heads???
I love how both this channel and rdavidr experiment with sound, and challenge the status quo and common beliefs, both doing this in the most laid back, chilled and fun way! I’d be more than happy to see more videos both channels have been part of! The results of these drilled heads was nice too! Now, what’s next - rdavidr get an order to shave of 95% weight of a G1? And we will the the lightest tap ever seen by Cody?
This autoplayed initially so I just heard an unfamiliar voice and then juvenile cackling before you explained what was happening. Can’t wait to watch this now that I know what’s up 😂
It really feels like you have way more dynamic control with the modded ones. At least thats my impression on the drumrolls. These heads, with holes and a little ring to get rid of some overtones might be the real gamechanger. Awesome sound!!!
Hey Cody, what about doing this with some reso heads? Or maybe even G1 for resos then make ‘‘em dry with the hole punching. And maybe even for the snare too? Idk but would be cool to watch and y’all to collaborate again. I dig both of y’all’s channels! Also isn’t there like a kickport for toms and stuff? Like mini kickports lol. Y’all keep up the great work!!
You mention that the effect of the holes is "almost like a gate." Yes, but without the odd, unnatural feel that a gate gives. So, total WIN for me. I despise playing with a gate, unless it's for an intentional sound. I feel like it robs the sound of the detail...
I've always loved this kit series. I had a birch BRX Masters studio for several years from 2000 to 2008. It was the super dark purple which looked great only if you put a spotlight on it so I sold it (because otherwise it just looked black). The gold or platinum mist ones though like these customs were the ones to have for sure as far as looks go. The G12's sound fantastic too. As for head mods, no. I do however cut up moongels/get dots in a similar fashion so that each head has more as the drums get larger. I use just a half a dot on 10, two halves on 12, three haves in a triad on 14, and then two full dots 180 degrees apart on a 16. It works amazingly better than just full dots on each drum. I love a lot of sustain, just not the excess overtones.
Those heads sound awesome!!!! That's the kind of sound I like from my toms. Maybe somebody from Evans with will see this video and hopefully come out with dry Tom heads. I would so buy some!
See, this is what I liked about the Evans EQ2 Batter head (RIP) specifically. It was like an HD Dry for the kick. I loved them. Still bummed they discontinued them some years back. Also, I have put small KickPorts on the reso heads of my toms, as well as the batter of one of my snares, and I love it! Great way to boost low end and control overtones without sacrificing volume!
So I have been recording and experimenting with different tunings on all my toms. I have the same kit as you guys (except it's birch). The coated G12s even without the vent holes are the bomb! 1. I tried the graduated thickness (G1 coated for 10 "; G12 coated for 12"; and G14 coated for the 14" and 16"). I did a minor 3rd (batter lower) on the 10 and 12 and a major 3rd on the 14 and 16 inch. The 12 inch drum always sounded the best. 2. I tried coated ambassadors on all toms with the same tuning. Since these are the industry standard, I figured I would give them a try. They are easy to play fast stuff on, but they were lacking in sustain and I don't like the fluttery sound they make when initially struck. 3. I tried today a coated G12 on my 14 inch floor tom and I liked the sustain as well. All that to say: I agree with Cody. The Evans coated G12 is probably my favorite batter head. It has less of a papery sound when initially struck than a 10 mil thick head, and it has more sustain than a standard 10 mil head. It's also not difficult to tune. The G14s work pretty well for the floor toms, but the thicker head is a little more difficult to tune and it seems to not hold the note out loudly (though the decay is longer I believe). Also, the G12s sound better to the ears without mics. I use Evans coated Reso 7 as my tom reso heads though. I'm guessing he uses Evans clear G1s as his go-to reso heads. If you haven't already tried coated G12s (and maybe ambassador X would do the same..). I would try it!
Funny to see a video about what we experimented with almost 15 years ago when our sound engineer introduced us to the genera hd dry. We took that further to the toms but we realized something that could take us even further with the snares in some cases. You mentioned in the video that there was no purpose of controlling overtones with this method, but that is exactly what we discovered to be a huge benefit depending on size of the holes and distance from the bearing edge. Also with the amount of holes and therefore different spacing between. Especially when we had kind of a compressed and polished production going on, and depending on what type of compressor we used the overtones could get quite nasty before we discovered this trick. Also the heads got a little bit more forgiving for not being pitch perfect if we had to do an express change on stage within a set. And if you listen like a nerd like me you can actually hear the difference in the video, a lot more cleaner with the vents. So you can go really deep down the rabbit hole on this subject 😂
Apparently im the only one here who likes a resonant 16" floor tom. I just bought a Tama kit with a 16x16 and air cushioned legs for maximum resonance. It rumbles like a thunder and it's everything i ever wanted from a floor tom.
@@BeyondxB Because it's far more susceptible to damage due to the hole size and shapes and it was outside the scope of what were doing here. I've shredded heads with asymmetrical vent shapes just from tuning them up when experimenting with this concept at Evans/D'Addario so the last thing I want to do is potentially destroy this thing.
Hello, I watched both videos from both channels and, I am subscribed to both channels. I want to tell you what I do to make my drum sound different. By the way I only use this method on the batter heads. The Construction paper method I use quarter in. Thickness. I have a perl set that is why I felt I needed to use that thick of paper. By the way, I get a thick enough paper. That does not produce any wrinkles. Depending if the drum head is a clear coated head. I usually glue a half inch or an quarter inch of packing cloth or foam. If it is clear, I get clear construction paper that that a builder would use to measure out floor plans. If the head is not clear coated I get a quarter inch thick roll foam. And, I cut out a solid circle. I cut out circles for all the methods. Sometimes I use a solid circle with an open ring sometimes I use like a paper plate with the drum head. I just keep a circle and leave an inch or two around the edges of no foam. And I use a paper plate to cut out the bottom and make a perfect circle. Are use the paper plate, to cut out all my circles for every piece I’ve told you guys about. Depending on, how thick the drum head is. I use clear glue. I am looking into using clear construction cloth but that stuff is very expensive and for my cost point, I can not justify spending that amount of money on the current drum set I have. I have drum friends that have used the construction clear cloth and prefer that method than the clear foam. The problem with the foam if use to much it will kill all resen sound. If your batter head is very thin. I hope both of you are doing well. Have a great day, and keep drumming.
Funny thing here - I was just about to comment on your recent tuning video. I just bought an HD Dry (first Evans head I've ever used) and I found it to be much easier to tune than normal non-dry heads. Not sure if this was due to your instruction or the head itself. I was going to suggest possibly comparing the tune-ability of those for 'idiots' like me who have a hard time tuning. I think my issue specifically is not understanding what tension is "really taught" so I think I over tighten the heads to compensate for other balance issues. Other videos online talk about cranking the snare side head and when I've done this I always have a bad time getting the drum in tune and not resonating with every other drum I have. This time I got the head to where I thought was good but in order to get the drum to sound good (mostly the rattle and sustain out of the wires) to my ears I backed the snare side off a lot and it sounds much better than I normally get. A previous video I think you guys did got me to understand the sustain of the wires actually comes from the relationship between the heads than how tight you pull the wires. That alone has been huge in getting me to get a better snare sound quicker. Can't say I'm in love with the HD Dry though. but I think he did help me understand how to tune better - or I'm just over-thinking the whole thing. /rambling
You guys did a great job with this. I'm a G12 fan as well, but point taken about the sustain. I'm not sure I would go to measures as extreme as this, so I'm glad you did it instead! Moongel works for me most of the time, and I can take it off if I want the sustain back. But you guys are definitely on to something. Evans should take you up on it.
I really like the shortened sustain. I'm not a fan of the ring from the factory G12s (especially on the 12" tom). But I think I would tune the heads a little higher to compensate for some of the deadness that arises from to drilled heads.
Very cool experiment. Thanks. Always good to have sound options. You never know what the producer might want. That's why I always being several snares with me,
I thought about putting holes in a bass drum reso similar to the DW reso bass head that has holes. The reasons were simple: didn't want to port it because I wanted a more open old-school sound but also wanted it to feel better when burying the beater and guessing it would. Closer to the feel of a ported head but closer to the sound of a non-ported head. Never did it but I'm still interested in trying it. Got a hole size suggestion (I don't know how big they actually are on the DW)? Cool video (as always) - and thanks!
A very creative idea to drill holes in the batter head. However I can't help but Wonder that overtime your heads are going to start tearing because of the holes. Just a thought. But they do sound awesome. And he mentioned muffling and some guys using tape. I will never ever use tape again. I have tried dead ringers, zero rings, washcloths, pillow cases, and now I have it down to moongel. And I think that's where I'm staying.
Just re-watched this. Great vid! The shorter sustain would help a ton on shows where close mics are used so the sound crews (who ALL hate sustain, lo) would be able to go way easier on the gates. Would love to hear this same experiment with the holes on the reso heads.
From what I was able to hear, this could possibly be a new and desirable sound choice. I like single ply head attack and tone, but there are so many times when they are just too resonant. Thanks for doing this video!
Interesting experiment. I love my Genera Dry head on my snare, never thought about venting tom heads. I also use G12 on my toms. I really like the sustain I achieve, so I don’t think I would do this mod. It was cool to see how much drier the drum were, especially the FT, with this hack. Love both channels, keep it up.
I use the st dry with g2/uv2 I'd be more than down if Evans started making these cause they sound killer! Just hope you guys get a share of the royalties
Funny what we don't think of even when it's right in front of you. I've been using HD Dry's on some snares for years and I dunno if I've ever thought to extend that idea to the rest of the kit. It's pretty brilliant. I think Evans might should make a whole line of "G12 Dry" (and/or G2, G1, UV, etc). I'm sure some drummers would like a dryer sound all around maybe. You and RDR should get a cut tho 😉
i feel like the vented heads had 25% faster decay and a bit less overtones, super smooth and consistent i bet these would be amazing for studio applications
I watched both videos, thought they sounded good. I think the 1/8" holes sounded the best. Maybe do all the heads with 1/8" and see? Nice job to all involved!
I love the sound that's the reason why I had always used the EQ dry heads they have an in a 10-12-13-14 I had used them on my fusion kit and I love them I just wind up using the snare heads
Around 2006 I sent an e-mail to Evans to ask them if they would ever consider making an HD Dry head for toms. I got a reply telling me no because the toms would be "choked" if they put those kinds of heads on them. I knew that was a load of bull I was being fed. They just didn't want to deal with a drummer's request for expansion of the HD Dry line. And 15-years-later I was happily proven right about my stance on HD Dry heads being put on toms. I wonder now, though, if a thin tone ring under the head, like the HD Dry heads have, would give the perfect sound I have had in my head all these years...hmm...? Also, how would it sound to put the modified G12's on the reso side, and the other G12's without holes on the batter side? Please, do another video on RU-vid showcasing them like that. Thanks, Cody and David for this video. I've been following you both for years, and I hope you two do more great things in the near future!
So for some context, an HD Dry tom head line would actually be relatively choked and there are already heads that provide this sound. While your message to Evans came about 4 years before I worked there, I understand why this was the response you received even though I don't necessarily think it was done in a tactful manner based on what you described. Our experiment here is VERY different in that, instead of being two different plies plus an overtone control ring plus the vents, it's just a single-ply head with vents. We'll see about experimenting with this for reso heads in the future but we have done a video on porting tom resos: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-zxZWkovyWqk.html Glad to hear that you enjoy the series- we work hard to make it happen. Cheers! -Ben
I got some mesh heads, cut out the centre of my old heads, and glued them ontop. Works pretty well for toms and kick - bit louder than just mesh but with some tone! The snare was horrible though - sounded like an 80s electronic white-noise snare. I think if it had just glued the edges of real heads it would work better as maybe it would stretch along with the mesh when tightening? Either way, they all came off after 15 mins. A strip of duct tape/gaffer tape on mesh heads does the job though! Can even record a decent cover with a £13 amazon smartphone mic and some hard equalizing
That's an interesting idea worth experimenting with. Since the "Dry" lineup of drumheads from Evans is exclusively snare batter heads we figured we'd start off with tom batters rather than resos.
Well, the way I think it makes more sense to put the holes Into the resoheads since the attack comes from the batter head and the vent IS released through the bottom head. Seems a bit risky to weaken the batter head tension by the holes in the Long Run. With the holes in the reso the sound difference might be more audible for the listener in front of the Set than for the player himself, isn't it so ? I also made an experiment with a 16" Marching drum by putting 6 holes of 3cm diameter Into the SHELL about 5 cm above the snare Side head and the effect was amazing concerning the Sound and audibility of the snares from a distance compared to a closed Shell. Greetings from Andy Moehring
@@buddabirne4661 I'll remember that. Thanks for sharing the results of the experiment. Might try it or something similar someday when I get the chance.
Great video! The "dry" heads have a great sound to them. Also loving the mini condenser mics on the toms- they capture such a rich, beautiful tone! Hopefully those are here to stay?
Thanks! Yep- the C518m mics are here to stay. They capture far more subtlety and nuance across the dynamic range as well as a more true-to-natural sound than the 57s did.
im curious about how toms would sound with one large hole in the middle of each reso head, maybe like a 3" hole in 8" tom, 4" in 10" tom, etc. it would obviously have less sustain & more attack, like a concert tom, but still a little bit of tone from the reso head. i dont think ive seen anyone do it
The one downside (or upside depends on how youy see it) is that if you listen closely after the sound dies out you can hear the air get sucked back into the drum
