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DIY Solar Project 2023, worth it in the UK? 

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This is my Grid-Tie DIY Solar Project in the UK. Taking you through the whole process, explaining the 3 different Solar systems, what system I went for, the components, and the cost. How I installed the system, and finally, how to monitor the system and how much power this thing produces!
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@mjg6966
@mjg6966 Год назад
Be nice to see a year down the line update, great easy video.👌
@gr33n000
@gr33n000 Год назад
Great video, really interesting to see how much you can do for a DIY install. Would be really interesting to revisit your system after a couple of months to look at the pros and cons, what you would do differently/ next and what the ROI is looking like.
@chrisroyle4813
@chrisroyle4813 Год назад
Yours is a similar journey to the one I've been on - before things escalated. The SunSynk Hybrid inverter from City Plumbing is another route to go if you have adequate start up voltage. This future proofs the addition of a battery. I now have a spare Solax inverter which I need to get rid of. The Sunsynk is quite feature rich and the 3.6 version is pretty handy insofar as you can have 7kW of solar panels but is still G98 compliant in terms of grid connection. Looking at the legs on your frames on the flat roof, I'd probably be wanting to put some sort of spreader board under the legs to protect the roof. I'm now looking at adding a fogstar battery (and selling my SunSynk battery) which has been mentioned in another comment.
@peterfitzpatrick7032
@peterfitzpatrick7032 Год назад
I was going to post a comment about the legs digging into the felt roof myself... bloody flat roofs leak first chance they get ! DAMHIKT... 🙄 😎👍☘🍻
@huwtindall7096
@huwtindall7096 Год назад
side bar conversation but for the life of me I can't believe flat roofs were ever a thing - guess saving money but just long term pain!@@peterfitzpatrick7032
@alpachino468
@alpachino468 Год назад
So am I right in thinking that with the Solax inverter you can't add batteries to it? The SunSyk 3.6kWh Hybrid is over twice the price... 😮
@minualunel9629
@minualunel9629 5 месяцев назад
You can buy Tuya MCB with energy metering to have your own monitoring system.
@johnpowell5433
@johnpowell5433 Год назад
One of the clearest and most concise videos on solar that I've watched. Thank you!
@yellownev
@yellownev Год назад
A really informative video on a tidy and sensible install thank you for sharing your project. I initially went for a off grid system with Pylontech batteries but got frustrated over the G99 approval as my inverter was bigger than 3.8 for the G98. I removed all the Pylontech stuff and Growatt inverter and paid a local company to install a Solax system with a 5.8 KW battery. They ‘ adopted ‘ my solar panel install and gave me the MCS certification. I didn’t bother with a meter for export as I also had a zappy charger installed for a future second hand electric car which will take any excess and since may whe. I had my system installed it’s been great getting upto 800kw of generation to date …. My target is 1500 kw for the year ! I’d love a video on HA as that is my next hurdle to jump Subbed thanks again.
@markeh1971
@markeh1971 Год назад
Hi, I think once you get an electric car there won’t be any export! That’s the idea. Take care M.
@tonydickerson999
@tonydickerson999 Год назад
Why did you get rid of your pylontech battery, I'm trying to get one at a reasonable cost and a second hand one might of been just the job, can I ask what size (KWh) it was and what you sold it for?
@yellownev
@yellownev Год назад
@@tonydickerson999 it was as above due to G99 approval. I think it sold for 1100 iirc. it was a US5000. Was a bargain for the fella. got two racks fuse and cabling still if its of interest ...
@tonydickerson999
@tonydickerson999 Год назад
@@yellownev I've been looking at the Seplos kits and in particular the 15KW kit which is on special offer for about £2500 inc VAT, building my own rack, but might be interested, have you got any photo's and a price in mind.
@jmpcrx
@jmpcrx Год назад
​@@tonydickerson999honestly, dont bother, build your own. 14.4kw using eve cells from fogstar, use jk bms, £2200. All the bought batteries are a complete ripoff. They work with any inverter and you learn how it all works then, so youncan fix it yourelf if any problems arrise.
@steveclarke3499
@steveclarke3499 18 дней назад
Bimble Solar are the go to folk for all things solar. Cheap and good quality.
@williampelzer1460
@williampelzer1460 Год назад
Good video, I've got 4.6kw of panels spread across two roofs main house and flat roof extension with a 4kw solax inverter AC coupled to a victron battery inverter with 9.6kwh of batteries. Other considerations : if your panels are more than 20cm above the main plane of the roof you will most likely need planning permission, it would be a really good idea to install a DC isolator before your inverter (in case anything goes wrong with the panels for disconnection purposes) and finally when you grid tie you need to apply for a G98 (16amps per phase) or G99 (for ESS or bigger systems above 50kw) EREC as you're feeding into the grid. The main consideration is that your installation is safe and isolates when the power is cut. Thanks for the video I especially liked the home assistant bits. Only just saw your replies to other posts about your G98 but I'd still recommend the DC isolator and have a look at your local planning permissions to make sure it's all good.
@daveoram7249
@daveoram7249 Год назад
I agree, a DC Isolator is a Requirement. There are IP65 so easy to fit outside near the Inverter under the Eaves. DC Cables go from Panels to DC Isolator then from DC Isolator to Inverter
@alisonhall9385
@alisonhall9385 Год назад
I agree reference planning. It doesn't fall under permitted development once you go above 0.2 metres higher than the flat roof which this clearly is.
@daveoram7249
@daveoram7249 Год назад
I forgot to add that ideally you should fit a DC Surge Protector between the DC Isolator and the Inverter to protect the Inverter from Lightning strikes or other events where there is a current surge.
@joseywales3848
@joseywales3848 Год назад
You don't actually need to apply for a grid connection agreement under G98 as it's 16A or less so it's connect and notify. If your system is generating more than 16A per phase then this will fall under G99 and a grid connection agreement will be required prior to energising the system. Similarly, a grid connection agreement is also required if the battery is to be used as a backup supply in a power cut irrespective of the inverter size. Some DNO's allow a fast track process if you are installing a PV inverter of 16A or less output and a separate battery inverter/charge controller of 16A or less output.
@davepage1151
@davepage1151 Год назад
What you’ll find is that you may hit the 2k limit on your inverter even though your panels are rated for about 1.6k. The rating on the panels is the same across all of them, so specific temperature and light. I found with my 4.86kWh system installed in January is at one point in April it the inverter hit 6k (only achievable as was sending power via DC to batteries as well as AC to the house/export) - this was because it was a bright clear day, sun was at its highest for the day which was right for the panel angle and the temperature wasn’t high … ideal conditions as was about 20% above the panel rating. As the weather got better the high production point dropped likely because of the temperature of the panels being high - currently in September after the quote poor July/August compared to May/June I’m seeing 4.2kWh at its peak on a clear day when the DC route is there to send excess (batteries still charging). During the good months I slowed down the battery charge rate to prevent clipping so that there was still charge going to the DC batteries at the peak production time during the day to maximise export which can add up to several kWh/day extra at 15p/kWh in the long daylight months.
@peterfitzpatrick7032
@peterfitzpatrick7032 Год назад
This is what I love about the commwnts on vids like this... a valuable little nugget of info given for free.. 😶 ... or do I owe you money ? 😧... 😂 😎👍☘🍻
@bermudavipertv
@bermudavipertv Год назад
Excellent video, described in simple terms. I'm thinking of doing the same now
@brymstoner
@brymstoner Год назад
do it! and go for battery storage as well. it'll cost a little extra - batteries are the most expensive part of the build - but you'll be better for it in the long term, not beholden to energy companies.
@Mike_5
@Mike_5 Год назад
Been looking for a good DIY video on this for a while now and done by someone who know's what they are talking about - Fantastic!
@minualunel9629
@minualunel9629 5 месяцев назад
Apparently you shouldn't install a DC isolator. I think Efixx have done a video on that.
@rhiantaylor3446
@rhiantaylor3446 Год назад
I must admit, I missed the part where you told us if it was worth it, i.e. what you saved in a full year vs. what you explained you had spent. Could you recap how much power your "1600w" array of panels actually delivered in the UK climate ? thanks
@daveoram7249
@daveoram7249 Год назад
At the price paid I can see the return being worth it. As a DIY Install however I am surprised if you will get any money back from the Grid as it will not be MCS approved. Octopus did announce recently they will accept PV Installations that are not MCS Approved but you need to prove the Installation has been installed competently and not sure if that means you need to be an Electrician
@lithgowwilson5157
@lithgowwilson5157 Год назад
he hasn't got a full year of data yet based on his home assistant files....I assume we will see an update at some point next year..
@RaysTrack
@RaysTrack Год назад
Superb content and presentation; very informative.
@simmona21
@simmona21 Год назад
What a brilliant video. Food for thought indeed and much cheaper UK hardware prices than I anticipated. Thanks very much!
@firstnamelastname8235
@firstnamelastname8235 11 месяцев назад
City plumbing does not allow solar items in their 15% off for first orders, it is clearly stated in their terms and conditions so if you got the discount well done...but it was a mistake. Besides that great instructional video. Thanks
@chaswinder
@chaswinder Год назад
Nice video, subscribed! Do you have any info/tips about submitting paperwork to the DNO ?
@SteabhanMacGR2
@SteabhanMacGR2 25 дней назад
I followed up by asking, “Can you tell me the amount of solar panels needed if I placed all 9 panels on an average pitched roof facing about 100 degrees, based on North being 0 degrees?” It replied, “To determine the optimal number of solar panels you would need based on your specific roof orientation and electricity consumption (3,500 kWh per year), we should consider a few important factors, including the efficiency of your solar panels, the pitch of your roof, and the overall solar potential of your specific location. ### Factors to Consider: 1. **Orientation and Angle**: - In the UK, south-facing (180 degrees) is typically the ideal orientation for solar panels, as it receives the most sunlight throughout the day. However, an orientation of 100 degrees (which is slightly east of southeast) can still be effective, though it may lead to slightly lower energy production compared to a south-facing installation. 2. **Estimated Solar Production**: - Solar panels produce less energy when not facing directly south. The output can be estimated using the orientation correction factor. A rough estimate suggests that an east-facing orientation might reduce solar panel efficiency by about 10-15% compared to a south-facing orientation. ### Calculation: 1. **Daily Electricity Use**: As calculated earlier, your daily usage is approximately **9.59 kWh/day**. 2. **Adjusted Daily Output for Orientation**: If we assume a 10% reduction in panel output due to the 100-degree orientation: - The output of a **410W** panel in optimal conditions (previously calculated as approximately **1.146 kWh/day**) would be reduced: \[ \text{Adjusted daily output} = 1.146 \text{ kWh} \times (1 - 0.10) \approx 1.031 \text{ kWh/day} \] 3. **Number of Panels Needed**: You can now calculate the number of panels needed to cover your daily electricity use: \[ \text{Number of panels} = \frac{9.59 \text{ kWh/day}}{1.031 \text{ kWh/panel}} \approx 9.3 \] Since you generally cannot install a fraction of a panel, you would need to round up to **10 panels** to be self-sufficient in your energy usage. ### Conclusion: In summary, based on a roof orientation of 100 degrees and a slight decrease in efficiency, you would need **10 solar panels rated at 410W** to cover an electricity usage of 3,500 kWh per year. This ensures you account for the reduced output due to the orientation while still achieving self-sufficiency. As always, it’s wise to consult with a solar professional who can assess site-specific conditions and provide a tailored solution.” So I just needed 1 extra❤
@waqasahmed939
@waqasahmed939 Год назад
The GivEnergy and Tesla Powerwall systems are also predominantly grid tied but can work as off grid systems in the event of a power cut.
@M45KY
@M45KY Год назад
Nice job mate
@davidlawford6073
@davidlawford6073 Год назад
What notification to dno is required?
@DonnaKent-ll8ii
@DonnaKent-ll8ii 11 месяцев назад
Hi Kev, Great informative video, I have been on the City plumbing website and the 15% discount does not apply to certain items including Solar PV, How did you manage to get the discount? Thanks.
@pilkipilki4472
@pilkipilki4472 8 месяцев назад
may cause flat roof leaks in the long run
@martinfreedman
@martinfreedman Год назад
Very nice video but you did not give the ROI figures based on cost reductions from the grid plus sell back to the grid. More importantly, you did not discuss permitted development/ planning permission issues and the related costs of those. You need planning permission for panels on a flat roof plus, possibly, building regs or MCS certification could apply. OTOH it is permitted development for a pitched roof but there is a still a cost to show this is a legal development (especially for selling the house and possibly building insurance) . If I am wrong about any this, then still this need to be discussed and was not. This could be expensively misleading to others watching this.
@timcat1004
@timcat1004 Год назад
Does your power supplier install a bi-directional meter?
@sang3Eta
@sang3Eta Год назад
They will insist on it, if you export power to the grid. They don't want your meter going backwards at 31p kWh!
@bobdickweed
@bobdickweed Год назад
I got 20 solar panels and 2 batteries 10.6kwh (1 = 5.3kwh) cost me 10.800 Euros , i would say well worth it , no bill , and in 6 months i have made 967 euroes , good luck to all
@stuartdicks2082
@stuartdicks2082 11 месяцев назад
How long did it take to payback?
@sarahjrandomnumbers
@sarahjrandomnumbers Год назад
Noooo you've done it all wrong! You should have paid £6500 for some randoms to throw some panels up there, do a crap job, then throw an MCS certificate at you and run off to install 2 more systems by the end of the day. 🤣🤣 Great job though, I did roughly the same with my modest 500w system, although I got my panels 2nd hand for cheap. In the 4 years it was up, it made about 1.5MW. Now I've got it connected to my battery inverter system just to add free power to it.
@AbdelDarrasi
@AbdelDarrasi Год назад
inverter outdoor ?? its a bad idea
@speedyrazor1
@speedyrazor1 Год назад
Quoting from the X1 manual, "X1 Series inverter is designed for outdoor installation (IP 65)."
@daveoram7249
@daveoram7249 Год назад
Why? Loads of Inverters are designed for exterior placement. As are Batteries. Not ideal I agree but most houses in the UK do not have the space for an Inverter, Battery, Charge Controller etc. Placing the Inverter under the Eaves is a good idea as manufacturers insist that exterior placed items have a canopy which the Eaves is
@julianwinn4502
@julianwinn4502 Год назад
Have a similar system but dump excess power into my hot water tank immersion heater using a Solic200 box. This automatically detects if I'm exporting excess power and diverts it to the immersion heater. Works a treat!
@That1ufo
@That1ufo Год назад
Apart from you can almost always sell it for more than the cost to heat it with Gas, 15p export is currently standard but if you have a battery Octopus Flux will make £££, Even without a battery if you can not use in the peak hrs you will still make money. Octopus also recently dropped the MSC cert requirement.
@bunnywarren
@bunnywarren Год назад
I've got a system like that but worked out the money I could have made exporting the energy would equal the cost of the gas to heat the water. The only difference is I don't have to use the boiler at all during warmer months so that's less wear and tear. Overall I'm not sure it's worth the upfront cost for such a unit, especially since it only works during the day and often not when you need not water either late at night or early morning.
@markgilder9990
@markgilder9990 Год назад
I have a similar setup. Works well. DIY cost of components just under £2000. Been in use from 2020.
@jebadaiah1228
@jebadaiah1228 2 месяца назад
got a 2024 update?? how much did this end up saving you?? what is the price difference between the now and before.
@dukeminster
@dukeminster Год назад
Great video - curious to know why you mounted the inverter on the outside of the house rather than in the loft?
@TimmyBoja
@TimmyBoja 9 месяцев назад
Curious is one word for it 😂
@steveallen8987
@steveallen8987 Год назад
1600w panels, EcoFlow delta pro + 1 extra battery = 7KWh storage. Panels mounted in garden with adjustable angle for winter/summer optimisation. Running through independent mains system to household wiring. Currently runs fridge, freezers, microwave, washing & dryer machines. Ready for blackouts with lighting and tv ready to switch over.
@markwelsh9068
@markwelsh9068 Год назад
Sounds interesting as I don't like trusting anything to do with the grid. Can you elaborate on the cost and what that independent mains circuit looks like?
@movement494
@movement494 11 месяцев назад
how have you connected your eci flow to your energy board?
@vmanthani
@vmanthani 9 месяцев назад
I had exactly same setup, costed me £5100/-. But delta pro failed in 4 months with burning smell. I was using 800w powerstream inverter. Now I installed Hybrid Lux inverter with 9.4kw Hanchu ESS for £5000/- including G98 and MCS.
@alanpalmer3879
@alanpalmer3879 Год назад
Hi did you or did the electrician fill out the form I think its call G96 to the power company to say you had solar going back to the grid? As I would like to build my own system like you 🙂 I have done an off grid system and works great
@carguyuk7525
@carguyuk7525 Год назад
Great install. A friend of mine recently installed his panels on his roof using a scaffold tower and a safety rope. Afterwards, he admitted he would never do it again due to risk of falling and pain to knees and wrists etc. Great project update and good detail on your decisions. I look forward to a 12-month review of your system and your views at that time, including would you do anything different. Cheers.
@jensschroder8214
@jensschroder8214 Год назад
In summer you have light and sunshine in abundance. It doesn't matter if you don't get all the sun. In spring and autumn you are happy to get as much sun as possible. In winter it's hardly worth it and you wait for spring. So it is worth aiming for spring and autumn. So set the angle to 38 to 42°
@peterfitzpatrick7032
@peterfitzpatrick7032 Год назад
Good analysis.. 👏😎
@brymstoner
@brymstoner Год назад
depends on a few more things than season. we get perfectly usable daylight (not just raw, cloudless sunshine) throughout the year. the type of panels you're using makes an even bigger impact. the best choice for uk weather is half cut monocrystalline panels. i collect energy even on cloudy days. granted, not as much. but better than nothing. and my whole flat is off grid.
@sabinkamal
@sabinkamal 6 месяцев назад
@@brymstonerVery interesting! Do you use solar energy for heating / hot water as well ?
@brymstoner
@brymstoner 6 месяцев назад
@@sabinkamal I'd like to, but it would be very difficult for me to do that in my current apartment. But I may need to find a way soon; currently my heating cost is bundled in with rent, and the landlord will be separating it and making heating a pay as you go thing.
@MartinE63
@MartinE63 Год назад
That inverter is in a really bad location for maintenance, DC isolation when the panels are live looks impossible, having only built in isolation is frowned upon by the fire brigade, maybe your house insurer too, also the inverter being baked by the sun will significantly shorten its life. An internal inverter install, even in the loft would be infinitely preferable.
@lithgowwilson5157
@lithgowwilson5157 Год назад
I agree the lack of a DC isolator is a really no no given the voltage from the panels, and I was very surprised to see the inverter mounted outside in such a vulnerable place, time will tell....
@bobdobalina276
@bobdobalina276 Год назад
Very inspirational, I was pleasantly surprised how little it cost. I never thought of putting solar on my two ground floor extension roofs - no idea why, it seems obvious now. Looking at mine now, my main roof is hipped so I think the lower roofs may actually have more surface area. I dont think you actually answered your question(!) is it "worth it in the UK"?! You look and sound pretty pleased, any idea what the pounds and pence looks like yet or is it too early?
@peterfitzpatrick7032
@peterfitzpatrick7032 Год назад
Seems like the inverter /dongle would have been better weather-protected in the loft space , even if its IP rated, I'd still prefer it out of the weather... Great vid, thanks for the info, very inspirational !! 👏🙂 😎👍☘🍻
@brymstoner
@brymstoner Год назад
yeah that made me wide-eyed seeing that. house it indoors. that's where i keep mine.
@brymstoner
@brymstoner Год назад
worth pointing out that 5kWh of LFP battery storage can be had for about half that price from amazon!
@zenzen9131
@zenzen9131 Год назад
Great video :) One quick question: When you are exporting power back to the grid, does your meter then run backwards ? i.e. will that further reduce your bill or are those watts given back for free ? Thanks
@philjameson292
@philjameson292 Год назад
The new digital ones don't run backwards but if you have an old disc meter then yes it will run backwards When I had my pv system installed in 2011 then the electricity supplier had to change my disc meter to a digital one. However they took a few months to do this so in that time my meter went backwards We came to an agreement on the actual power that I had imported
@CraigRoyK
@CraigRoyK Год назад
How did you go about MCS certification, etc? I’m thinking of a DIY installation for an outbuilding initially (off grid), but would like to eventually tie it into the house as well.
@hufartd
@hufartd Год назад
I dont think hes getting paid for dumping power into the grid, However Octopus energy have just announced they are dropping the need for MCS accreditation they are happy to take and pay you for power if you have some to spare. Please note, this doesnt absolve you of current wiring regulations and have a competent and safe installation.
@dukemaximus1639
@dukemaximus1639 11 месяцев назад
Great video. You should look at hybrid micro inverters if not already. How did you notify DNO and get G98 certification?
@matthewwakeling4978
@matthewwakeling4978 Год назад
Please please, pretty please with a cherry on top, can you stop saying "KiloWatt per hour".
@speedyrazor1
@speedyrazor1 Год назад
Yes, I'm sorry, one of my mistakes on this video. I'm just about to release an update video, "Things I did wrong on the first install", releasing soon!
@mb-3faze
@mb-3faze 11 месяцев назад
The city plumbing 15% discount on first orders specifically excludes solar equipment. Still free delivery, and those 405 panels are now £93 Inc vat.
@knoxieman
@knoxieman Год назад
Great video although I winced at the lack of shoes lol, lots of ppl with large back gardens could put in systems like this although if you have kids I would make ground floor installs parallel to keep the voltages down, you got a good price on that timber as well 👍 subbed, please let us know how the roi is looking.
@josepeixoto3384
@josepeixoto3384 17 дней назад
don't say kw PER hour; the NAME of that unit is KWh, just KiloWatt-hour edit.. another one towards the end... don't say "a thousand watts of ENERGY" , watts is NOT energy; watts is POWER; Wh ( watt-hour) is ENERGY EDIT 2: oops, i just saw your next video, about the kw per hour, now you make sense; back to the video
@daveoram7249
@daveoram7249 Год назад
Nice Video. I would like to do a DIY Install. It isn't difficult if one is familiar with Electrics but what puts me off is (1) having to pay the 20% which is so annoying, why the Government can't just waive 20% off all Green products and let people so self install is beyond me and (2) the MCS Certification but with the recent Octopus announcement this may not be a problem
@brymstoner
@brymstoner Год назад
what's stopping you from mounting the panels on the ground and running cable into your home? i live in a flat and have my panels over my balcony. only have 2 panels, but they charge 7.5kWh of batteries well enough for me to run my whole flat off those batteries. i consume ~20kWh a week.
@j4j4j4j4
@j4j4j4j4 3 месяца назад
When you say you are “wasting” solar power, are you not able to sell it back to the grid? Or is certification required to achieve this?
@jonsutcliffe8508
@jonsutcliffe8508 Год назад
Was it me, or were you referring to the wrong angle. Looked like you were using the angle to horizontal, but the website you were using was about angle to vertical. As they were both fairly close to 45it probably doesn't make much difference though
@StephenBeale
@StephenBeale 12 дней назад
Excellent video, just what I was looking for. Got inspired by the solar setup on my campervan, and looks like you went for something that is quite similar. Plus I also have a flat roof that is barely used so great to see that, too - roof is too intense for me as well!
@SteabhanMacGR2
@SteabhanMacGR2 25 дней назад
17:13 Go for Parallel The way solar panels are connected to an inverter-whether in parallel or in series-can significantly affect their performance, particularly in terms of output voltage, current, and overall energy production. Let's explore the differences between parallel and series connections, which can impact earnings: ### Series Connection 1. **Voltage Increase**: In a series connection, the voltage increases while the current remains the same. For example, if you connect four 250 W panels rated at 30 V each in series, the total voltage would be 120 V (30 V × 4). The total output power remains the same (1,000 W) as the current from each panel is limited by the panel with the lowest output. 2. **String Length**: The number of panels that can be connected in series is limited by the inverter's maximum voltage rating. If one panel is shaded or underperforming, the entire string's output current is affected (due to the current being equalized), which can reduce overall energy production. 3. **Higher Voltage**: Higher voltage can be beneficial in reducing line losses over longer distances between the panels and the inverter, but it may also require more expensive equipment or specific inverter models designed for higher voltage inputs. ### Parallel Connection 1. **Current Increase**: In a parallel connection, the voltage remains the same while the current increases. For four 250 W panels connected in parallel, the voltage would remain at 30 V, but the total current would increase, potentially allowing for higher total power output (up to 1,000 W if each panel produces at its rated capacity). 2. **Improved Performance**: If one panel gets shaded or is underperforming in a parallel configuration, the other panels can still operate at their maximum capacity, which reduces the impact of shading or inefficiencies on overall system performance. 3. **Easier to Manage**: Parallel connections can generally be more flexible because they allow for easier integration of additional panels without worrying about total voltage exceeding the inverter limits. ### Impact on Earnings - **Performance Under Varying Conditions**: If you have a scenario with shading or varying panel performance conditions, a parallel connection tends to perform better, resulting in potentially higher energy production and therefore higher earnings. - **Optimal Configuration**: In a well-designed system without shading or other factors affecting performance, the differences in output may be minimal. However, most real-world situations may benefit from the more resilient performance of parallel connections. ### Conclusion In summary, using a parallel connection generally offers improved performance and reliability under varying environmental conditions, which can lead to higher total energy production and increased earnings over time. The best choice between series and parallel connections ultimately depends on the specific installation conditions and design characteristics of the solar power system.
@jameslewis2635
@jameslewis2635 Год назад
The problem with DIY solar systems in the UK is that according to the information I have seen the person installing the panels needs to be certified for the job. Householders are not allowed to work on the fuse box themselves (as you would need to in order to install a solar system or fit a new circuit) without being certified electricians.
@TimmyBoja
@TimmyBoja 9 месяцев назад
He’s running T&E outside and mounted an inverter on the roof! That’s why you need an electrician.
@jay26cee
@jay26cee 20 дней назад
A quick one to point out - a correction on your side (but a good one at that) - you mentioned that 42.x degrees which was the best you could get (with your restrictions) BUT angle alpha isn't the angle the righthand side is referencing for optimal angle to sun. Rather, it is the angle beta (against the vertical) which in your case is 47.5 degrees. So, you are better off that you made out. 🙂 Probably better for UK positioning as we'd rather get better power generation from the longer, brighter 'warmer' months than the colder ones. Thanks for the very informative video!
@SteabhanMacGR2
@SteabhanMacGR2 25 дней назад
15:52 Nice and solid but a little brush of epoxy resin would help protect the softwood from the rain. It’s a cheap alternative way instead of the treated timber. Solar Panels,can stay efficient for up to 25 years according to AI. Update. A 3.7kwh battery is the most efficient system for value for money
@tonydickerson999
@tonydickerson999 Год назад
What precautions have you in place to not backfeed the grid on a sunny day during a power cut, potentially putting someone's life at risk, and as I found out you have to have the correct smart meter from your utility company that is bidirectional otherwise it will assume that any excess you feed back into the grid is you actually drawing from the grid, and in my case it doubled our electric bill which we never got refunded for as it was impossible for the utility company to tell what was going in and what was going out, I also believe that you have to inform the utility company that you are feeding into the grid and have to have licences/certificates to do this.
@galactica1980
@galactica1980 Год назад
Its good you can DIY grid connect solar in the UK. Not possible in Australia, even offgrid is difficult and costly. We arent even allowed to replace a light switch without 4 years of "go to the shop and buy a left hand screw driver". I have even noticed that in Germany you can buy plug and play grid connect DIY kits.
@IBoughtaTesla
@IBoughtaTesla Год назад
An excellent video for people to understand how to get started in solar power. I would have liked to have seen a bit more on the electrical connections to the consumer board, and how the panels were connected in. Will you be purchasing batteries to stop "wasting" solar power?
@Magic-Smoke
@Magic-Smoke Год назад
Where can I buy this 500W kettle? 😂
@robertjones5395
@robertjones5395 5 месяцев назад
didn't you need a special permit to connect to grid? MCS certificate SEG and the like? You couldn't have just wired your inverter directly into you consumer unit?
@itfcdan9223
@itfcdan9223 7 месяцев назад
No DC isolator ? Do your electrician give you an MCS certificate? Debating whether to bother with MCS certification or just invest in more battery’s (10KWH currently)
@timsyoutube6051
@timsyoutube6051 3 месяца назад
Whats the bureaucratic process for tying these to the grid like? Id always assumed DIY solar in the UK would be very difficult to get tied to the grid.
@dd4561
@dd4561 Год назад
Did you do a G98 or G99 application for your setup yourself or get a sparky to assist with this? I'm trying to keep my cost down and find someone to assist me with my own project but I haven't gotten anywhere and could really do with some advise, thanks.
@WillHest
@WillHest Год назад
Very interesting and you've got me thinking about doing something similar. Few questions I assume as this is a small array this didn't require DNO approval but you had to inform them of the install. How did you get a MCS certificate for the SEG?
@shawng5799
@shawng5799 Год назад
I went the second hand route and spent about the same. I think I will have a pair of those panels and mount them in the garden. I built my own lithium battery and there is something about running your whole house off a battery every night. We only use 3-4Kwh a day. Some days our daily electric bill is 3 pence. I think that is what the smart meter uses.
@thomasbroker69
@thomasbroker69 Год назад
Love to know where you got the info to do this?
@lithgowwilson5157
@lithgowwilson5157 Год назад
@@thomasbroker69 Everything he has done can be learned from youtube, there are dozens of channels (mostly American, but the principle is exactly the same) which explain in great detail how to build batteries etc. You do however need to be technically minded with regards to building the batteries from bare cells. It is very staisfying when it all works though... What i did was 'cherry pick' various ideas then amalgamated them into the best system for me.
@brymstoner
@brymstoner Год назад
@@thomasbroker69 the basic layout for an off grid system is panels into an mppt charge controller (victron is a great choice for charge controllers), into batteries into an inverter, which you plug your things into. a good idea first would be to measure your consumption. you can do this from your meter, noting the difference in kWh's used at a set time each day, or by using a watt meter to do the same right at a plug socket. but that will only measure whatever's plugged into it, not everything. then build your system out to meet your consumption needs. or adjust your consumption down and build a smaller system.
@reneema7763
@reneema7763 Год назад
Hello, Kev. I'm Renee from JSDSOLAR. I would like to invite you to test our system. Are you interested?
@envermehmet8448
@envermehmet8448 Год назад
Ive been off grid since Feb 2023 my system is 48v I have 9kw solar panels , 5kw inverter and 40kw battery storage all work well
@davidreilly1031
@davidreilly1031 7 месяцев назад
If I have decided on a grid tie-in but not interested in exporting surplus once my batteries are full, but using it to heat water in a thermal store, would I need to have a smart meter fitted by my provider?
@RoteGranate
@RoteGranate Год назад
19:56 your total yield on that day is 7.7kwh ( 7700wh), Not per hour. 1.6kwh on the other day. 😊
@MrFryfish
@MrFryfish Год назад
I am surprise that you have been allowed to feed into the grid without the remote control of the DNO over your install. They suppose to have devices controlled by them so they can cut the power (isolate your electricity producing system..) to your system during power cut for network maintenance or repair faults.. You did not mentioned anything about that.
@speedyrazor1
@speedyrazor1 Год назад
"In times of grid failure, all grid-tied solar inverters are required to immediately shut down their connection to the grid. This safety precaution, known as “anti-islanding”, ensures that workers repairing the affected power lines do not accidentally encounter a live wire."
@terryhayward7905
@terryhayward7905 Год назад
If you connect a grid tied system with a battery as you show it, there will be a loud BANG, and everything will stop working. The battery is charged by DC, not AC, it connects to the battery side of the inverter.
@st200ol
@st200ol Год назад
I noticed that too, a little bit of artistic license with the sketch perhaps?
@daveoram7249
@daveoram7249 Год назад
That depends on the Charge Controller. Most PV Installations use A/C Coupled Batteries so they need a Charge Controller to convert from A/C to DC (charge mode) and DC to A/C (Discharge mode)
@Reduced009
@Reduced009 2 месяца назад
Is it possible to set up grid tie with hybrid inverter without batteries for the first couple months and still gain benefits?
@topp0009
@topp0009 Год назад
how did you get it signed of if wired self please as I a spark and finking adding solar.. do I ring local.firms to connect up and did you need planning permission for solar in kitchen roof as I wanta do same..thanks Neil
@revelation.4178
@revelation.4178 5 месяцев назад
So does the electric company compensate you in anyway for any unused electricity that goes back into the grid
@roberts.wilson1848
@roberts.wilson1848 Год назад
I see one serious problem and one potentially serious problem. 1) The roof above. If any debris is on the roof it will fall smack down on the solar panels. That is from accumulated snow/ice to actual damaged shingles falling. A high risk for damage to the panels. 2) wind could still get under the panels and strong gusts could rip them off. I'd recommend using some celular polycarbonate panel and closing down the sides as best as possble (make a triangle shape and screw it on each gaping hole side, to prevenmt gusts of wind from going there. And also various vermin to make a nest
@stuartibbotson7179
@stuartibbotson7179 Год назад
I think costs and ROI would of been a better add in as costs matter
@thedabbler2753
@thedabbler2753 Год назад
Nice one. Other than the electrician wiring it up, did the power company just let you start back-feeding their grid without any hassle? Stateside one has to jump through all sorts of hoops before they'll let you connect. In my case they charge you an extra fixed cost (a solar tariff they call it) for the privilege of giving them power. Takes the mick.
@knoxieman
@knoxieman Год назад
As long as the inverter is compliant it's fine, if the network mains fails the system shuts off so you can't run it without grid tie meaning it's safe.
@matthewwakeling4978
@matthewwakeling4978 Год назад
You certainly need to make sure your meter can cope with a reverse energy flow, and there's a power limit above which you need to get approval.
@alpachino468
@alpachino468 Год назад
I already have a 6kWh grid-tied system, but I wanted to add in a second 4x360kWh stand-alone array just to power a couple of things in my garage. This information is very useful, thank you.
@SteabhanMacGR2
@SteabhanMacGR2 25 дней назад
I also asked AI the following “How do i generate my solar power? I know a few things that I need, but I am not 100%, so could you giver me clear advice where necessary? So I believe I need 9 Solar panels from what you’ve mentioned. So I’m assuming I need about the 4GW inverter, a DC isolator, an AC isolator and what else? Cable of some sort…” It replied, “Generating solar power for your home involves several components beyond just the solar panels. Here's a clear breakdown of what you'll need to set up a typical solar power system based on your requirement of 9 solar panels rated at 410W each. ### Components Needed for Your Solar Power System: 1. **Solar Panels:** - You’ve already decided on **9 solar panels**, each rated at **410W**. 2. **Inverter:** - You're right in thinking you'll need an inverter to convert the DC electricity generated by the solar panels into AC electricity for use in your home. - A **4 kW inverter** would be adequate for your setup (considering you're using around 3.5 kWh per day). Ensure it can handle the total output of your panels (9 panels x 410W = 3,690W). 3. **DC Isolator:** - A **DC isolator** is required to safely disconnect the solar panels from the inverter. This is an important safety feature for maintenance and emergency situations. 4. **AC Isolator:** - An **AC isolator** is installed on the output side of the inverter to disconnect the inverter from the household electrical system. This is also important for safety. 5. **Mounting System:** - You will need a **mounting system** to securely install the solar panels on your roof or on a ground structure. The mounting system will vary depending on your roof type (flat, pitched, etc.). 6. **Cabling:** - **Solar cable**: Special cables rated for high UV exposure and high temperatures, typically Solar PV rated cabling, will connect the solar panels to the inverter. - **AC cabling**: Wiring that will carry the AC current from the inverter to your household electrical system. - Make sure to have appropriate connectors, junction boxes, and disconnect switches as needed. 7. **Fuses and Circuit Breakers:** - You may need **fuses and circuit breakers** to protect your system from overload or short-circuits. 8. **Monitoring System (Optional):** - A monitoring system can be helpful to track the performance of your solar panels. It can give you data on how much energy your system is generating and help you optimize its performance. 9. **Battery Storage (Optional):** - If you want to store excess electricity generated during the day for use at night or during cloudy days, you may consider adding a **battery storage system**. ### Installation: - **Professional Installation**: Installing a solar power system involves electrical work, which can be complex and requires compliance with local regulations. It's recommended that you hire a certified solar installer to handle the installation. - **Permits and Approvals**: Before installation, you may need to check with local authorities for permits and to ensure compliance with building codes and regulations. - **Grid Connection**: If you plan to connect to the grid or take advantage of feed-in tariffs, ensure your system and installation comply with any utility company requirements. ### Conclusion: Setting up a solar power system can be a complex process, but with the right components and professional help, you can successfully generate your own electricity. Make sure to consult with a local solar provider to assess your specific needs, obtain accurate costs, and ensure the best configuration for your setup.”
@SteabhanMacGR2
@SteabhanMacGR2 25 дней назад
AI reckons the most efficient way is to go without a battery and have more panels and sell back to the grid, rather than the outlay for the expensive battery.
@Kennytyrer3989
@Kennytyrer3989 Год назад
If you don't mind me asking how much to sign off system with your electrian?
@SteabhanMacGR2
@SteabhanMacGR2 25 дней назад
7:47 Makes sense, had to give credit for this comment by the narrator
@grantmidd
@grantmidd 4 месяца назад
What about an off grid system but with an AC input to charge the batterys in winter.
@rewrai3554
@rewrai3554 8 месяцев назад
I heard that you can sell excess power back to grid, is that possible? How so if it is?
@kurtbonner3163
@kurtbonner3163 Год назад
Brilliant! Thank you so much - explained so well!
@javiermitchell7073
@javiermitchell7073 Год назад
Very informative video. Its a bit simplistic, you did not expand on the types of inverters when you explained the 3 installation types. maybe on a new video, also will be intersting to discuss the possibility to get a grid-tied ssytem then expand to a battery backup one
@kevinmatthews2620
@kevinmatthews2620 Год назад
fogstar are selling a seplos rack style battery around 15.2 kw of storage, complete diy kit for £1,999 grade b batteries or grade a batteries for roughly £400 extra, buildable in 2 hours, so no batteries are not expensive, consider also octopus flux export up to 30 odd pence per kwh export, soon pay for your system :)
@speedyrazor1
@speedyrazor1 Год назад
Indeed, the DIY kits from Seplos are a very good deal, I mention this at 5:53 in the video.
@tonybarden8563
@tonybarden8563 Год назад
solax do state a 300mm air gap above inverter im afraid, and the dc isolater isnt much help to isolate the string from the inverter speaking as a guy that fits and repairs solax inverters ,you need to isolate the dc lines if and often WHEN the mc4 plug into inverter melts solax also state not to mount in direct sunlight ,i really would advise remounting in the attic , also note solax state non combustable materials above the inverter to be honest i didnt watch your video to criticise i am generally intrested to see people diy and save a few quid but there does seem some good advice offered to you here and it seems to be falling on deaf ears we only fit the inverters inside we make sure they have extra ventilation around the units we fit a dc isolater on every string at the inverter we fit an ac isolater at inverter AND at the board and heres my top tip ...........tighten your termination screws again after a day as the copper tends to squash a little, and yes i speak from wisdom after going out to many repairs due to loose screws in isolaters and badly made off mc4 plugs this is just sensible and logical advice
@speedyrazor1
@speedyrazor1 Год назад
Thank you for the advice, and point taken on the DC isolator, which I am planning on fitting (at dusk). On the location of the inverter install, the manual states "X1 Series inverter is designed for outdoor installation (IP 66)", and the pictures used as the example install location is exactyl where I have fitted it, about 300mm under the eaves. Also the eves provide shadow from direct sunlight. I was originally going to install in the loft, but it gets crazy hot up there in the height of summer, plus the manual states this inverter is designed for outdoor instalation.
@jmpcrx
@jmpcrx Год назад
Hey, im in suffolk, built my own diy system last year too, 3kw, 14.4kw lifepo4 eve storage. Is awsome. Not many of us here in the uk doing this.. My setup is a bit different and diy to yours. I did the whole home assistant thing also to send data to my phone/tablet on the wall. Did the lot for just over £4k. (second hand 250w panels, 3kw epever hi hybrid inverter, jk bmses, diy battery boxes, diy everything hence the cost. 👍
@WeeWillyWeiner
@WeeWillyWeiner Год назад
How much have you saved on your energy bills so far?
@dagdibrimi6042
@dagdibrimi6042 7 месяцев назад
Informative and very useful. Thank you and good job!!!
@TheKerr1983
@TheKerr1983 11 месяцев назад
Plyontech tech 4.8kw is as low as 1300
@jensschroder8214
@jensschroder8214 Год назад
You installed the isolation switch on the AC side after the inverter. Doesn't the isolator switch have to be on the DC sides to shut off the solar panels? Never open the DC plugs when the sun is shining! This creates a DC arc and can be dangerous. It is better to wait until the evening when there is little sun on the modules. That's what the DC isolating switch is for. Installing the inverter outside in wind and weather is an English affair. Maybe cover the lower area with the connections from rain?
@thomasbroker69
@thomasbroker69 Год назад
I thought exactly the same, leaving that inverter exposed to the elements doesn’t seem a great choice when for the sake of longer bit of cable it could have been mounted in the loft with easy access inc an isolator switch & a cabinet. Exposed to the sun & rain it won’t take long to dry out the circuit boards inside as well as the outside start to look rather murky but maybe they said they are made to go outside.
@VFRrider
@VFRrider Год назад
This is a great, and informative video. Thanks for the clear information. But. I have one question for you: Surely you sell your excess electricity to the grid? I thought they paid you for your power?? If not, why not? You called it wasted energy, but if it was sold, it would be far from wasted?
@kizzerplowright
@kizzerplowright Год назад
great content i realy like thats its short but full of good info. very happy
@marekkobiela6331
@marekkobiela6331 Год назад
Very good and informative video, very helpful . many thanks
@FreeWareFrolics
@FreeWareFrolics 11 месяцев назад
1. Did you get MCS certificate? 2. Did you have to get DNO approval? And of so did you do that yourself/ was it an easy process? Makes sense to mount onto flat roof as mounting on the main roof would have meant a few extra grand just in scaffolding costs
@geoffaries
@geoffaries Год назад
Two questions 1. Did you have to notify Building Control and the DNO. 2. What is your payvack period expected to be?
@TimmyBoja
@TimmyBoja 9 месяцев назад
No pay back. He’s not allowed to export because it’s not installed.
@geoffaries
@geoffaries 9 месяцев назад
@TimmyBoja timmy, I know that, but my questions remain. My reason for asking is that I'm thinking of a DIY installation. Avoiding the installation fees and markup on equipment may just about make it viable for me.
@chandreshvarsani2190
@chandreshvarsani2190 10 месяцев назад
Great video, i would advise to anyone, that DC voltage is dangerous and can kill if you dont know what you are doing and also can arc also. You should install DC isolators and instead of timber frame consider using unistrut bars with proper solar panel clamps wo ensure that dont rattle and that the panel is clamped in the clamping zones correctly to prevent panel distortion and damage.
@seekeroftruth0665
@seekeroftruth0665 11 месяцев назад
How much did it cost to have it connected to the grid ?
@jordanhiggs3835
@jordanhiggs3835 2 месяца назад
What was the cost of the electrician?
@NicksGarageUk
@NicksGarageUk Год назад
Great video,, I think I’m going to do similar,, hopefully it will take the sting out of the electric bill, I will start small and possibly go bigger if I like it,
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