Dom was the engineer who received no credit in the production rights, his drum loop was an analog amalgamation of the flow break, a certain hardcore amen break, and the samurai break. The 1st 16 bars are clean sample free
The Amen, flow, samurai (which is the tighten up) and assorted other bits and pieces. In total he had 16 parts he bounced down to the final version of the Tramen.
DSC14 is definitely one of my favourite labels of all time. DJ Trace is one DJ/Producer you can say is a true LEGEND! Deeper, darker the better!!! Real Drum & Bass...
Ok....Trace is still a massive legend in the scene we all love and respect. By Far! Obviously Dom is more respected producer and his back catalogue has some amazing anthems. Moving Shadow wouldn’t really be were it was with out Dom on the label.
I reckon this was another example Pete Parson's finest gift's to DnB music...he came up with so much of the great break combinations and tricks...total legend and drum beat master!
Yeah fair! could argue that Dom created this break though, so i've read. he would have been pissed knowing the bare sample was left at the start there. it became almost commercial after that, so to speak
Pete is a true legend. He was the in-house engineer at Monroe Studios. DeeJay and Lucky Spin used them a lot.... so, he’s had a hand in so much influential early Jungle..... very cool guy. There’s some stuff including interviews with him out there.
Joseph Whittle I found this song because it was mentioned in this one website which had information on some classic jungle breakbeats and told which songs used them originally etc. Can't remember the site's name right now but i have got it bookmarked. :3
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If you go back and compare, you'll realize that the break on Mutant Jazz Revisted is slightly different than this. When the break drops in MJR, there is no ride (samurai) as part of the break. The ride comes in later (around 3:50) but the programming of the ride is different. The break got a production update from Dom as the engineer for Trace's "Sonar" (for which he receives a production credit). The break from Sonar is largely reused here, although its been slightly pitched up a bit.
Man that fucking reece, it's the spawn of Satan himself. Totally gnarly, evil music. So raw, so organic. I wish Drum & Bass went back to this than overpolished and lifeless
+George Bennett Maybe he did although Dom did say in an interview years ago it was his. Not saying Optical is wrong but Pete Parsons did engineer loads of Trace stuff. I wonder if this track was actually engineered by Dom and the flipside Pete Parsons. Read what Dom said below and he seems pretty pissed at the lack of credit he got. This could certainly of been Dom related.
George Bennett After a quick search. DOM & ROLAND:talks about the Tramen "I know there are lots of different stories about this break, but heres the truth. I made it back in the days when i was still fully analogue and working out of an old studio in shepards bush and it was all done on the roland s760. Basically, i wanted to do something different with the three breaks that everyone was using at the time-the samurai break that photek used; the pulp fiction/flow break that was all over alex reece's tracks; and of course, the amen break. The amen break that i was working with had been taken from a really old hardcore record and had a very distinct sound. I layered that with bits and pieces of the flow and samurai break and had about 16 different elements going through the desk. I bounced it down and that was that. i knew it was special as soon as i heard it. just one of those breaks you can listen to for 10 minutes without getting bored. Trace came round a few days later and really liked the sound of it. He literally wrote two tunes there and then using the break- one of them, mutant jazz revisited, was huge. It was also the tune that made me stop engineering for other people. my name never made it onto that piece of vinyl. not even as an engineer. Naively, i worked with trace again and was foolish enough to stick a few bars of clean break on the end of the track. it was my own fault. its been all over the place. but the most annoying thing was that people started crediting trace with inventing the break. c'mon...he didnt even know how to use a computer. I used to get really angry about it. going up to people in clubs and saying, ' oi, thats my fucking break your using.' but lifes too short. people now seem to know its my invention and its one of the most well known breaks around. i consider it a personal achievement."
This was the 1st Time Trace used this break, although it was used on mutant jazz revisited, so maybe the 2nd time, not sure which came 1st, anyways Drama indeed.
The other way if anything. Trace was doing the tramen/reese thing with Dom while BC were not even together. The BC tracks that sounded like this i.e. Nitrous and Tumpa were BC colabs with Trace anyway.
JungleTunes94 You right buddy, but i'm talking about the song not Trace, this tune is from 99, Bc were already bangin' and this isn't the Late 90's raw techstep DJ Trace style, was more of BC explosive Tech. Sounds like Fresh's smooth drum beats
Thats the Tramen break as created by Trace and Dom in around 96/97. Check Mutant revisited and Sonar by Trace. Fresh will of pinched it off Trace at some point. Sniper was sampled by about a million others after the release of this tune though. You might be right though, Fresh might of engineered this tune.
JungleTunes94 Tramen was created by Dom & roland you right, and i was saying that the sound was a copy of BC style, is just that i haven't listened it before, so it sound like a BC, althought this tune is really techy and smooth, does not sound like DJ trace's raw techstep tunes at lates 90's
Doms the most underrated producer of that whole period. I just believe that Bad co took things and maybe made them a bit more accessible. While Dom and Optical were technically miles ahead of Fresh at that point, Fresh's tunes were just so fresh(excuse the pun). Things moved so fast and they took what was a very industrial tech sound and made it more rolling and smoother as you say. I think the bi difference was maybe the set ups, Virus were definitely using Emu samplers and outboard synths, I presume Dom also but Fresh was more software based I think.
