DLO Live! Ep 49 Vortex Razor Gen3 6-36x56 vs Everyone Else 

Wise move!

Stryker is still a good buy. If you are looking in that price range, also consider Tract Toric and Athlon Cronus

I have a gen 3 6-36 and a viper pst gen 2 3-15. they are way more similar than they are different optically.

Within reason, yes, especially when it comes to the 3-15x44

There are definitely similarities in terms of design philosophy, especially when it comes to the eyepiece.

I have one heading my way. I'll do a full review.

Awesome. Look Forward to it . Looks like S&B had a price drop at euro about 12-15%

Gen3 is significantly better than Gen2 Razor or than Mk5. It is also better than the ATACR.

I have not tested the S3 yet. I know that the glass is not the same though. Significant aspects of Gen3 design are specific to Vortex

For precision shooting? Probably. Euro's black anodized version is the best deal I know of without secret handshakes, etc. alnk.to/clXbPWz

It is better than PRS.

@@DarkLordOfOptics Thank you

When I get one. It is not here yet

They both work fine and control flare and straight light well. ARD is a lot more compact, so it is often preferred by military/LEO customers or anyone who might want to put a clip-on up front. ARD does make the image slightly darker, but with improved fidelity. It is also harder to identify the location of the shooter due to reflections off of the objective (something civilians do not generally care about). Sunshade does not diminish the amount of light at all, but it is bulkier. Personally, I use both. For most applications, I slightly prefer ARD. As far as its low light impact goes, I remember I once did a whole series of comparison tests with TT315M, including low light, without realizing the ARD was still on, so I redid it with it off. It only had a detrimental effect in very low light and even then, it was not hugely pronounced.

@@DarkLordOfOptics Thanks for the explanation. Merry Xmas.

Razor Gen3 is a high end scope

​​@@DarkLordOfOptics is gen 3 enough "WOW" for me to replace my mk5 , plus additional $800?

@@ufhkbikesyes, that’s my opinion, but I’m not the Lord.

PRS is a nice scope and it is kind of a tier 1.5: not as good as the Razor Gen3, for example, but better than most $1.5k - $2k scopes I have seen. It is reasonably competitive with the ATACR and Mark 5.

@@DarkLordOfOptics thank you so much! Was a very insightful live stream bypassing thru the hype and sponsored opinions that flood RU-vid!

They are not as necessary, but they still make a difference

@@DarkLordOfOptics If what I'm reading is correct, there's not really any downside to using a sunshade so should I just keep it on there 24/7 if I can? Love the reviews and videos.

@@jimothy-johnson yes, you should. The only reason not to is if you have TARAC or a clip on in front of it.

That depends on how much money I am willing to spend. If I am spending someone else's money: Tangent Theta. If I am spending my own money Razor Gen3.

@@DarkLordOfOptics PERFECT, THANK YOU THAT'S WHAT I WANTED TO HEAR. I RECENTLY GOT A FEW DISCONTINUED BUSHNELL XRS 2 4.5X30 56 NEW IN BOX FOR AROUND $800.00, I AM NOT SURE IF YOU THINK THOSE ARE GOOD ENOUGH AND MEET YOUR STANDARDS, OR SHOULD I SELL THEM AND GET THESE NEWER SCOPES YOU ARE REVIEWING HERE? I REALLY APPRECIATE ALL YOUR INPUT.

@@Plainsimple67 They are perfectly respectable scopes and $800 is a very good deal. I am not a huge fan of that design personally, so I would lean toward something else, but if they work for you, stay with what works

@@DarkLordOfOptics thank you for the reply, I really appreciate it.

5-45 is a nice scope, albeit a very expensive one. I am not a huge fan personally since the image quality is flatter than I am used to with the 5-25x S&B. I am familiar with the review you are referring to.

Thank you for your response. I have both. .My sample 5-45 when compared to 5-25 SB seemed brighter more color pop than 5-25 SB Could you explain how it seemed flatter than 5-25 SB so I know what to look for. I appreciate your knowledge. Thank you

@@jesseespinosa5070 That's very interesting. I did not like the color on the 5-45x as much. Some high end scopes show you a lot of texture in the image, so it has an almost pulpable depth to it. It comes from how they treat micro contrast and subtle color variations.

ZP5 is a little better optically. Razor Gen3 is easier to get behind. I prefer the turrets on the Razor.

@@DarkLordOfOptics thank you very much for the reply. I currently have a minox lr 5-25, delta stryker 4.5-29 and looking to upgrade to a T1 optic, either zp5, zco 420/527 or the gen3. I shoot rimfire 75% of the time so would just switch optics around. Leaning most towards the zco420 w 3x reticle

@@larsmils2994 my precision rimfire has Gen3 on it

@@DarkLordOfOptics that makes my decision a whole lot easier. Thank you for your input.

@@DarkLordOfOptics So been debating the gen3 vs ZCO or TT. In canada the Gen3 retails for 4500 pre tax, zco 5700 or 5900 for non locking turrets, TT 6700, Would you still go for the gen3 if the ZCO is "only 1300" dollar difference" (canadian dollars). Seems like in the US the price on the gen3 is quite a bit better

It is a very nice scope. I think Razor Gen3 is a bit better than the 7-35 ATACR overall.

Even though this is a Vortex, as far as I’m concerned, this is top tier and amongst the absolute best.

yes

How was it?

That would have to be one hell of a handshake

You got me beat, I got it for 2200 and thought I did pretty good.

Where did that hand shake come from…? I have military discount and can only get down to $2399

@@zeropain23 Last handshake was $2000 even for it with free shipping back in November 2022 and orders been shipped to customers who had already paid.

That's one approach to doing it. I happen to disagree with it, but it is an entirely viable way of looking at things.

How can you even quantify what is the best when you don't take someone's budget into consideration.

@@dodgefreak8797 You are absolutely correct.

Having visited Vortex many times, I very much disagree with you on what they spend money on. While they do have a robust advertising budget, I would be very surprised if they are anywhere in the top ten in terms of advertising expenditure by revenue. Nightforce probably takes that crown. As far as ZCO goes, while these are exceptionally nice scopes, I do not think they are the best glass out there and the measured data supports that. Definitely one of the best though.