I found a working 2006 sharp XG-MB70X DLP projector in the trash which costed new $3200 :) Only it has a fan problem but that is relatively an easy fix. Win
This is the best comparison of anything ever posted. Finally someone got it right. I owned a PT-AE900 Panny when it came out (LCD) upgraded to a PT-AE4000 (LCD) and a JVC DLA-HD950 (D-ILA) and Samsung SP-A900B. Obviously the JVC is the best and I love the new Panny...but there is something about DLP that makes it easier to watch.
They put 2 diferent players to each projector instead of using an hdmi spliter with the same image on both, the had both projectors in the same room with both ligth output interfering one another, this was an amateur test, the lcd proyector wasn't properly set.
It's funny in 2023. While I personally still prefer dlp projectors how they show motion, and just in general brighter. Your higher end projectors like the Epson Ls12000 are lcds. For me dlp is how people see crts. Like they have their flaws, like say if your susceptible to the rainbow effect 'which rgbrgb or rgbwrgbw you probably aren't anymore ' But they just feel so much more natural than an overly sharp lcd
As a owner of a DLP projector for years who recently purchased a lcd projector, I'm not going to lie I was shocked at the black levels difference between the two. DLP black levels are far superior. I own a Optoma H27 and recently bought Mitsubishi HC6800. You can play around with LCD projectors settings and achieve decent blacks but it doesn't hold up to DLP without a proper gray screen. I'm still calibrating HC6800 to put up a fight against a much lower end optoma projector. Don't get me wrong, HC6800 does produce a nice image but when I compare them it's a different story.
@@juizzz_out_of_PALESTINE if you plan on placing the screen at a good distance from where you sit than h27 at lower res still looks great but hd20 will be better since it's native 1080p or any optoma hd projector. Hd72 is great as well.
I personally like the fact that they do this as its the information i want to know when looking at a product, cant base my decision purley on another persons review of it without complete specs of the hardware. :)
Interesting to note that the DLP projector system is based off the 1940s CBS field sequential colour television system which back then involved a transparent RGB colour filter wheel spinning at rapid rate in front of both B&W TV camera n B&W television monitor in which the camera scanned red, green n blue image of the subject in accordance to the spinning colour wheel n the same process in reverse for the TV n you get a nice colour picture without the pixel look like shadow masked colour TV.
The government really needs to start forcing single-chip DLP projector makers to put disclaimers warning buyers not to use these projectors for movies. I just bought one that supposedly had no rainbows, according to other reviewers, but it was a complete lie. My head was pounding after a few minutes watching a film. I immediately requested a refund. 3LCD or 3 chip DLP is the only real option.
I saw Fritz Lang's Metropolis in a community cinema using a single-chip DLP projector last year, and despite wanting to see the complete version of the film since it was first rediscovered, I had to leave partway through due to the unbearable rainbow effect (it strains my eyes unbelievably, and makes me ridiculously dizzy!) I'd quite gladly sacrifice that extra bit of picture clarity for comfort and feeling well during a film!
My point is that to make a perfect test, the projector bulbs would have to be the same on model as well as age. (They change color over time). The units would have to have the same optics behind and in front of the imaging units. Also, the electronics equalise the video to make it more linear. Etc... Do you get my drift? Sorry for not being very clear.
Mitsu does have certain advantages like placement, auto everything, and runs much quiter it is an excellent projector but real film nuts will usually opt for IN83. Infocus still turns out a slightly more 3 dimensional image and has no pixels detectable except at very very close distances.
@Xarieus yes and also there is not a fixed measurement that is used by all companies, you cant compare two tv's made by different companies cause they each use their own contrast measurement (10000 to 1 by lg, is not the same10000 to 1 by sony)
have a couple of questions maybe somebody can answer.have the Hc1600 dlp ,what would be the best setting for brillant color.and its 720p native but I can force into 1080i and p what resoultion should I run in for best results,I love Blu-ray and want to make sure I get the best image possible
I've had all three technologies in digital projection. LCD, DLP and LCOS. DLP is definitely better than LCD. But you need a high end DLP to eliminate the possibility of 'rainbows'. LCOS, especially JVC's DILA technology is the best in my opinion. No rainbows to worry about and a black level to die for. It offers the smoothest most film like images that are virtually artefact free.
@cjrizzle93 I have also a led projector, it's a CRE X205 it has PIP & POP functions. Can accept up to 1080p signal, it has 2 HDMI, dvd component, vga, composite and s-video interface. Well, this is my first projector so what i can say is ..... this is really amazing
I have an Optoma HD65 as my first projector, I haven't got it set up yet though cause I need to get a stereo and screen. Its DLP which this video wins hands down but it doesn't mean it is that way across the board.
They had me worried for a minute there I just purchased a DLP Project BENQ MW523! I saw one in action and know how awesome and bright the image looks especially for HD! Cant wait to play SPLINTERCELL and FSX on it! Oh yea secondary use is Movies! lol
Only reason im switching to dlp is cause of the awful dot pitch on my epson 3lcd. Plus i can get a viewsonic dlp with 15,000:1 contrast and 3000lumens for almost the same price i bought the 3000:1 epson
The DLP song: I can see clearly now the rain is gone. I can see all obstacles in my way. Here's the rainbow I've been PAYING for. It's gonna be a bright (bright) bright (bright) sunshinin' day. It's gonna be a bright (bright) bright (bright) sunshinin' day. :)))
Rainbow? Is this 1995? If you want a cheap projector for the kids you get LCD. If you need a proper 1080p/4k for the adults you get a 3chip DLP with 6x wheel. That is just how the price to performance works now.
i read on CNET that theres a rainbow effect on edges, i am gonna use a projector for heavy gaming with high motion, i am a videophile so no cheap - any suggestions on what technology to go after, i don't want brank, tell me Lcos LED LCD or DLP plz.
Setting of the projectors were not shown on a side by side test image. If they were the colors saturation, contrast, etc could have been matched 100%. The test is flawed as the light from one becomes ambient light for the other. A question here is quite obvious who paid for the test? May have that been Infocus? LOL! ;P
@jeabo0adhd "Both projectors were set up by experts from the manufacturers for the best possible picture quality" So no this test is most definitely as good as it gets.
@nateword TV's that big are perfect for entertaining company. I've seen LED tv's go up to 55'' but they are pricey at around $2200 and up. DLP's are cheaper but you will eventually have to replace the bulb. I bought the Mitsubishi TV despite knowing that I'm gonna have to replace the bulb eventually but I think I got a pretty good bang for my buck since their build quality is way better than Philips.
@chaseman94....yeah i love my dlp but i guess i'm sucked in by the LED picture.the LED i want is 1299 at hhgregg and it's a 60',my dlp is great for company and gaming but(to me)the picture isn't very pristine when playing blu-ray,but i may not have it set for the best picture
@MIKON8ERISBACK great news people. i've just identified the cheapest 3d 1080p projectors. that's right 1080p in 3d, after long googling searches: the optoma hd33 native 1080p 3d and the epson powerlite 3010e.
I have a Infocus Full HD (IN3138HD) model with uses DLP technology, the results are that in just a few days of use it had a problem with the color wheel...the coverage didn't do my contry and became out of the question to send it or take it to US just to fix it...I tryied to ask the contac at their page and believe this, they dont know wich color wheel model the projector uses, and they can't point anywhere I could take it to fix...so I'm stuck with a broken projector...a spensive one...next time as advised I will get a 3LCD one ... And never from Infocus!
I recommend if your not sensitive to the rainbow effect get DLP .I have a DLP Optoma HD66 my friend has an LCD Epson 8350 .My projector is only 720p his is 1080p ,but I'm not impressed at all with it for all the $1300 he spent on it. I got mine for $450 Problem with lcd is that the panels suffer deteriation,air filter,they need an auto iris to open and close making noise just to match the black levels of a good dlp,also motion blur, dlp is much faster than lcd which makes it alot better 4 gamin
Sorry, but DLP projectors give me headaches, and while I originally preferred them for colour accuracy, the headaches from the flicker and rainbows ruins it for me. TBH, I've seriously doubted The Gadget Show's credibilty lately, since they seem to be rooting for whoever pays them most. It seems unlikely that this is the case this time, but are those projectors both the best of their kind?
When you do a test like this with small picture far away the rainbow effect will be much harder to see. I chose LCD, no question about it. And I'm not a dlp-basher, I'd love to buy a three chip dlp when ever they become reasonably priced.. But one chip dlp (like the benq 1070) with a huge screen, some scenes makes the rainbow effect much to visible to be acceptable.. Others seem less bothered by it..
DLP would be better only if they get rid of that darned color wheel. I perfer 3LCD technology because of color vividness and the lack of rainbow effects, which give me eye strains.
@binweevilsrocks Yeah that sucks some people see it ,some don't. I have never seen any rainbow effect ever, not even on my 10 year old infocus x1 with a 2x speed color wheel.I also have a home theater in my house and none of my guests have never seen it either.Usually for people who do see it they should choose a projector with a fast color wheel speed that will deminish the rbe or stop it or if your into 3d alot it stops the rainbow effect all together because of the 120hz rate 60 for each eye.
man a single DLP projector can reproduce good pictures but the rainbow effect still present, the 3 DLP chip projector do the best work there´s no rainbow effect the colors are so vivid and real i prefer the 3 chip DLP projector.....one thing in particular the color whel used in the single DLP projector remember the first mechanical color tv set that used a color wheel disc developed by CBS
Hello I am in need of a new projector as of tonight my bulb blowed and I have had my infocus x1 for about 6years and I have decided to just update and get a newer model I have went through 2 bulbs with the x1 and I dont know alot about lcd dlp but I do no that the brightness on x1 was not good enough and fuzzy on certin movies
To me, the bottom line is when TVs are 40' or greater, the quality degrades on any TV. But for argument sake, if you want the overall picture quality, DLP seems to be the way to go. If you want the longer lifespan of up to 100,000 hours of use without the lamp burning out, LCD-LED is the way to go. I read the DLP lamps burn out after 11,000 hours which will give you about 5-6 years until you have to replace it, which will cost around $350.
Fair enough but run the Mitsu haed to head with IN83 and it will be annihlated by InFocus which 1. Looks more film like, 2. Has marginally better contrast where blacks seem inkier and 3. It is soo much brighter than Mitsu when push comes to shove. Oh and 4. It has better skin tone reproduction, and 5. It sells for only $500.00 more which isn't a lot when we are talking north of $3000 anyway.
The Viewsonic PJD5134 is 349 on Amazon, these are 3D BluRay capable. Not sure how much the 3D accessory cost it uses DLP Link. The others like 5132 is listed as PC 3D Ready and the 5126 just says 3D Ready. So I am not sure if all 3 will work with 3D players or need a PC for one model to do 3D.
Rainbow from DLP depends on the person I think most people do not have an issue but some do. LG has Laser projector now as there new Laser TV which Mitsubishi has been teasing us for the last 5 years and never sold it. It sits 6 inches away from the bottom of a screen you fold out and has awesome image quality. Problem is LG is nuts, they expect you to pay $8k USD today when 4K tvs have dropped in price so fast before they even came on the market you can get a decent one now for $3,000 USD.
cuddles6938 I doubt that. I got another Viewsonic projector and the thing had a ridiculous amount of rainbows. I don't really believe that only certain people see them either. That's bunk.
"The creme de-le creme of technology writers" One of them said the Bourne movie looked like a DVD. I have the bourne movies on blu ray & they are pin-sharp in 1080p... DLP or not, this was a real What HIFI? video. & we all know how well regarded What HIFI? are regarded in the AV world, don't we? Talk about up-selling their award winner while shafting Sanyo(rip)...They (what is hifi?) still get away with shafting AV Co's. unless your Co is Panasonic of course.Who later gobbled up Sanyo. We are not all stupid & we weren't in 2008 either.
The only area lcd projectors win is in colour reproduction but with the use of dlp brilliant color technology which supports the 6 color wheel instead of the 4 colour wheel completely puts dlp technology into the winners seat
DLP should be compared with its own format,as LCD. They both have their good/bad points. Amazing out of all testers, not 1 suffered rainbow effect & the IN80 series esp 80/81 are guilty of RBE.
hehe well the Pany just came out while the Infocus came out 07... Personally I don't like LCD's image to my eyes the blacks are more blue greenish while the DLP are more grey but the image does look more black.... I like LCOS projectors. I'm waiting to see how the new LED projectors stack up... w e shall see
I take it the DLP is a triple DLP projector and doesn't use any crappy color wheel nonsense? and because it was popular they discontinued it? and replaced it with the much more expensive SP8602?
That DLP sells for like 3500 bucks compared to the LCD sanyo going for 2179-600 dollar rebate = 1579...thats a good price. With that you can get yourself a Carada Screen + a ps3 + surround sound and some blu-rays.
@MIKON8ERISBACK ...they have had to do this since the inception of this new type of display tech...a good quality CRT setup (front or rear projection) will still walk the specs of new sets...colours, and contrast ratios are STILL superior on my 52" Panasonic for example...but they had to pull consumers away from the old style sets somehow, so they boast about things they never really did before... and etc....and since that's where they started they have to keep it up...
"the country's top technology writers..." a top tech writer comments "....yeah thats got a blue tint like someone's left a jumper in the wash.." !?!?!?!? okay then! thanks for that tech tip of the day
Next time you watch any DLP image, let your eyes dart from the left edge of the screen to the right. You'll see a red, blue, and green rainbow strobe effect.
Warren Kawamoto Only some of us. I have never been able to get a handle on how many folks see rainbows with DLP's but best I can tell, with a 2x or 3X wheel, it's probably 10% - 15%? But count that a guess. Of course if you have a home theater, and lots of friends and family, you'll find out which ones are rainbow sensitive. I certainly am.
This is the dumbest test I've seen. Each projector should have projected in a light control room - without the light spill from the other projector. Just stupid.
Exactly how unscientific these people are. The only thing positive from placing the projectors so close is the effect ambient light will have on viewing. However it is clear the brighter projector will always wash out the other projector image.
SalmAndrew Definitely the case but I know for my own experience, I had a brighter projector as my first but overall image quality was actually not as good as my not as bright projector. When I say not as bright, of course I mean as default or high brightness mode. Once its in a darkened room, both projectors had to go way down :) so in the end, what would have won out in a bright room was sucking as an actual theater projector. Infact I'm still using that projector. Its my ancient 720p Sanyo PLVZ60 :)
Even in that scenario the DLP would still have easily won, probably even more convincingly (as in the dark you can see the rainbow effect more clearly, so that even in the dark it won is quite telling)
Mark R. But that's not the point. Neither were in the dark. Each projector was having ambient light from the other projector. The only way to do a test correctly is to put it in its own identical room, calibrate the projector and go from there. Imagine doing the same test with two sets of speakers playing at the same time in the same room....
Projector + Fog Machine + electric sheep screen saver = Amazing Light Show ( my view sonic has handled heavy fog and smoke for years , that doesn't mean your projector could to ) ( see my page for videos )
