Do Contrast paints REALLY work?

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Let's see how Contrast paints fare against classic 90s hex pots using the ultimate test model: the 2nd edition box set Space Ork GOFF!
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00:00 Intro
01:29 Prep
02:32 90s paints
07:37 New prints
08:17 Contrast paints
10:48 Comparison
12:27 Competition announcement

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@TheThewhatnow 10 месяцев назад

The reason you do a Black wash and drybrush before the contrast paint, is to specifically get the grim dark and more realistic style, and not the old vibrant paint schemes. In the early days of contrast paint, when you would do them over a pure white primer, they were dunked on all the time for being too vibrant. If you want them vibrant don’t mute it down with a monotone greyscale, it’s like complaining your yellow paint has bad coverage when you primed the model black.

@raul-aurelianserban8295 10 месяцев назад

Or that your rust paint isn't showing well, when it's over orange painted armor

@lctaylor6 10 месяцев назад

It’s also like he hasn’t seen his own video on painting Gretchen in this style.

@jeffhreid 10 месяцев назад

Spot on comment. If he primed pure whit it would be way brighter, in fact he’d have to use shades to darken the shadows.

@Hudston 10 месяцев назад

My thoughts exactly. Contrast paints are transparent so they essentially mix with whatever you paint them over and will only show their full vibrancy when painted over bright white. Painting them over a zenithal is basically the same as adding some black into the mix so I'm hardly surprised that they weren't as bright as the old paints!

@ThomasWinslove 10 месяцев назад

It just goes to show that a large following doesn’t correlate to knowing what you’re doing

@DragonsHoardOfPlastic 10 месяцев назад

I think the Nuln Oil preshade before the Contrast might've been overdoing it and darkened down the final result too much. Adding some warmth to the base coat could push it further into the brighter 90's territory as well.

@ollep9142 10 месяцев назад

I totally agree! For the Contrast paints no part of the undercoat can be a darker shade than the pigments used for the top coat, since the paint is supposed to do its own shading. I'd use a warm and fairly light grey (instead of black) if I want a neutral shading in the undercoat.

@dickkickem4238 10 месяцев назад

Great vid, couple things: 1. If you're trying to get vibrant colors out of contrast paint, don't do any fancy washes or anything. Literally just prime the model white. Let the natural pooling of the contrast paint be your shadows. If you don't you loose the vibrancy of the paints. 2. You're going to think I'm absolutely crazy, but trust me, I painted a few guardsman squads in the old style. Tesseract Glow. It's a phenomenal goblin green esque contrast paint. Even if it's technically a technical. Even leaves nice yellowish highlights on the sand grass.

@peterheinzo515 10 месяцев назад

maybe you should have painted the contrast over a brighter basecoat

@MidwinterMinis 10 месяцев назад

Maybe!

@Dank_POG 10 месяцев назад

You should probably just prime white and then put the contrast paints.

@lctaylor6 10 месяцев назад

He seems to be aware.

@theycallmepiccolo9985 10 месяцев назад

That’s exactly what im saying. For a better comparison should have based the models in the same way and not use the contrast paints with slap chop base instead

@carlstanford7607 9 месяцев назад

@@MidwinterMinisseems like a good idea for a follow up video

@jamesgreen9480 10 месяцев назад

The new yellow contrast is rly vibrant, blocks out really well too. Black legion has become my black of choice too, its awesome

@MidwinterMinis 10 месяцев назад

Yeah, Black Legion was well tasty

@foyble 10 месяцев назад

@@MidwinterMinisblack legion chaser?

@jackofn0trades29 10 месяцев назад

A couple of tips that I have personally found. 1. You can use a thumbtack or safety pin to center your hole for gun barrels. 2. Instead of directly painting, on white for the checkerboard, start with a medium gray, then use a mechanical pencil, to sketch the squares before you paint! 3. If you want to keep the vibrancy of your colors when you highlight mix them in with an adjacent hue on the color wheel, mix your base green with Yellow, or your red with Orange. It works to really give a sense of life to the model! (Thanks for that one Louise)

@MakutaDreadscythe 10 месяцев назад

I think it’s been brought up in other comments, but I feel that darkening the basecoats before applying the contrast paints contributed a fair bit to the muted finish of the model. Granted, it looks fantastic and contemporary, but for comparing to the older paints it seemed a bit uphill from the first step. That said, I do agree that there are some aspects that contrast isn’t suited for (base rims for example) and I am a firm believer in that a combination of acrylic and contrast tends to give the best results: you get the speed of the contrast paints for areas that matter while maintaining the smoothness and control of the acrylics for highlights or layering.

@memevarg2530 10 месяцев назад

Love to watch every video where the 90s or old school parts of the hobby are in the spotlight!

@jaffarito2557 4 месяца назад

I watched this video w while back and I was shocked to find out you had the same color blindness that I do yet it doesn’t seem to hold you back. After that i decided to go back and learn and practice color theory which gave me a lot of theoretical understanding of how color and light work. Seems I’ve been living in a hole for almost 40 years 😂 All of this is to thank you and show you the appreciation you deserve. This little piece of knowledge has transformed my painting and now I do it with a lot more understanding and confidence.

@dontpushme 10 месяцев назад

My favourite use for Contrast paints is to paint metal areas, I start with a base coat of Leadbelcher, then a nuln oil wash then a dry brush of a lighter silver colour. Once this is done you can apply thinned contrasts over some or all of the metallic areas to look like other metallic colours, iyanden yellow makes a great gold, skeleton horde looks more brass/bronze like. The lighter highlights from the dry brush show through so no extra highlighting needed afterwards.

@Cerderius 10 месяцев назад

"Haven't found a cheaper painting handle yet." And here I am using pill bottles from my dogs very expensive allergy medication.

@frogjog8822 10 месяцев назад

I think the contrast Goff will be some hipster ahead of his time in the army. =)

@cetx 10 месяцев назад

I'm almost 100% Contrast now. Undercoat it with white and you can get pretty vibrant colours, with the right selection of paint. I can't imagine painting with "normal" paint any more.

@Mrjohnsluke920 10 месяцев назад

Love the channel. Would love to see some more tau painting

@MidwinterMinis 10 месяцев назад

Noted!

@Mrjohnsluke920 10 месяцев назад

@@MidwinterMinis the fact you saw my comment is sick enough !!! Maybe a cool idea would be easy ways to paint different schemes Or a custom kit bash of your own tau auxiliary

@anotherzingbo 10 месяцев назад

That Skeleton Army box was the basis of my first Warhammer army, I got it for Christmas in 1989 and it was a thing of wonder back then. 🙂

@MidwinterMinis 10 месяцев назад

Still is! :)

@ms-jw3oy 5 месяцев назад

Forget the painting! That 2nd edition set, with the mono-pose miniatures and the hexagon paints was a serious nostalgia trip for me. Incredible.

@PugMast3r 10 месяцев назад

Got to check out one of your streams recently. Was such a great time love seeing you and Hatty’s natural dynamic and will definitely coming back for more!

@MidwinterMinis 10 месяцев назад

Cheers matey! Yeah, feels like everyone's had a great time so far :)

@halfcrafted 9 месяцев назад

Awesome comparison and competition! Can't wait for SPORKTOBER!

@lctaylor6 10 месяцев назад

Having used Army Painter Speed Paints ALOT, you can get nice, bright ‘90s style results by *checks notes* painting on a white primer as every bottle says on the back.

@lctaylor6 10 месяцев назад

Hexwraith Flame can make Ork skin like the ‘90s paints. On a white primer.

@InterrogatorchaplainAsmodai 10 месяцев назад

The guy who came after the guy who came after the guy who came after the guy who was first

@MidwinterMinis 10 месяцев назад

Was I technically the first Guy?

@InterrogatorchaplainAsmodai 10 месяцев назад

@@MidwinterMinis True, my mistake, I loved the salamanders painting tutorial, I hope the son of sanguinius will be next! Edit:I also hope to see the warlord titan vs ork gargant at some point in the future

@simoncaulfield33 10 месяцев назад

I can't believe you still have soluble paints from back then! I had them on a rogue trader timeframe and they went solid a month later. Would love them now. Bloody me as a bloody teenager! Grrrr

@zamoutague199 10 месяцев назад

Per the holiday special between Dana Howl and Billion Dollar Clown Farm, Orktober is the commercial holiday. The pagan roots are, of course, in Orkvember

@DrSpoon1991 10 месяцев назад

Ive got a retro shokk attack gun and a ealry edition metal ork dreadnaught that may be candidates for this comp.

@MidwinterMinis 10 месяцев назад

Nice!

@rupertjones5197 10 месяцев назад

I’ve started up the hobby again after a couple year break and loving the contrast paints for painting my fantasy empire army. Very effective with all the puffy sleeves and 2 tone colour scheme of averland

@dr.fistus94 10 месяцев назад

the outro music somehow makes me to be in peace with whatever negative vibes go on in my day to day existence. I made it a habbit to listen to it before i leave my little garden i care for. it sets such a nice, chill tone. love it.

@crazyfrogwales 10 месяцев назад

Hero quest and space crusade introduced me to the hobby of miniature war gaming I’m really looking forward to that video 👍🏻

@alexm8226 10 месяцев назад

Will surely buy the Warlord Titan art, can't wait to get it signed by you at the next Warhammer Fest. I still hold my 9th Ed Custodes Codex you signed to heart

@elfmastercool4734 5 месяцев назад

I've been loving this heroquest series so far, and painting mine up at the same time. Thanks for the vids!

@kirbymerby 9 месяцев назад

👏Goblin Green bases 👏 Goblin Green bases👏

@ThomasMurch 10 месяцев назад

14:21 - I realised what was coming JUST in time, but it still blew me away ... sheer genius!

@WarhammerWings 10 месяцев назад

Again, another awesome video,Guy! For me, painting armour trim and basing armies are my roundtrip ticket on the Pain Train. XD

@MidwinterMinis 10 месяцев назад

Glad you enjoyed it!

@WarhammerWings 10 месяцев назад

@MidwinterMinis I enjoy EVERYTHING you put out,Guy. Aside from Duncan Rhodes, who taught me how to paint Thousand Sons, your videos taught me to pick up a brush and have fun!

@tyrxa 10 месяцев назад

the first bit is pure nostalgia. thanks

@ShintaroMugura 10 месяцев назад

Spork! My favorite eating utensil has a month named after it. This is beyond cool!

@mortisangelica 10 месяцев назад

The contrast paints version ended up looking exactly like my buddy's orks he painted in 98. He was using testors brand paint. I really don't remember many army's being as bright and poping like the box art then.

@bigweld6792 10 месяцев назад

makes me wonder if in 20 or so years from now people will be painting "retro" armies based on today's 'eavy metal style even though in reality no one really paints their army like that

@DkJ40K 10 месяцев назад

An interesting concept! Can’t wait to watch this!

@DkJ40K 10 месяцев назад

Currently watching it now and this is very good so far!

@phoenixproductions2846 7 месяцев назад

I love the mix of 90s and current day looks. I think thats what im gonna do with my minis

@stevenmcgrath5114 10 месяцев назад

1:50 I learned to use a push pin to create the pilot hole for drilling. Works perfectly and centered ! ! !

@jasonarce5169 10 месяцев назад

The contrast method Ork boy looks like a animated film. The classic paints boy looks like a 90's Saturday morning cartoon.

@genghisgahan9623 10 месяцев назад

I love them both. These days i use a combination of both types of paint. I tend to use my acrylics to highlight or refine the speed paint start. Love them.

@steppeone 10 месяцев назад

I also love the 90s style. I only started playing Warhammer a couple years ago, but the old minis really spoke to me. I think your Dark Angels video was one of the videos that convinced me to go that route. I’ve been really lucky to snag a bunch of old plastic and metal for less than new models cost, and have a few thousand points staring at me, unpainted. Plus a bunch of orks, including Ghaz. I even have the original HeroQuest game. I think I’m going to go all in: Space Marine September and Orktober. Going to try get them all done, or burn out trying.

@Deathkorpsofkrieg417 10 месяцев назад

Love the video, you did some great work. Kinda related but I’ve seen new minis get painted in the 90s paint style I’d love to see old minis get painted in the new grimdark paint style. I’d think you would do a fantastic job at that.

@terrain4print 10 месяцев назад

I use contrast paints for quickly finishing a lot of infantry models, with slap chop. They go on so easily.

@irrationalgaz 10 месяцев назад

I remember that Skeleton Horde box. The horror, the horror. I was too young and the skill level required was way too high and in the end the contents of that box just became basing materials for every subsequent army I built all throughout the lifespan of 2nd and 3rd edition edition, 40K and N95 'munda.

@LinkiePup 10 месяцев назад

Glazes. Contrast is amazing for glazes!

@MidwinterMinis 10 месяцев назад

Yeah, thinned down is definitely how I've used them best so far

@tamzinnapierala9084 10 месяцев назад

I loved this video especially with it being Orks! 😁 I have some old Orks what Jacob brought me

@minime9990 10 месяцев назад

Thanks for this guys! I have so many questions about contrast paints. I quite like them to be honest, I really enjoy that with 50/50 water, multiple coats can make amazing fades, definitely not the same colour pop as older paints, but a useful tool for sure

@sos_legio_primus9177 10 месяцев назад

I had that Plastic skeleton regiment box; back in the day. I used the weapons from the Imperial Guard regiment box and made Space Skeletons for 40k.

@BB-pn2qv 10 месяцев назад

It looks quite good I think!

@benthompson5254 10 месяцев назад

A serious trip down memory lane watching this vid. Loved seeing the prizes for Sporktober, I remember building the Space Ork sprue back in the day and I ordered the Skeleton army box from the back of a White Dwarf back in the day. Really looking forward to the Heroquest video next week, will this become the new speed paint box set series.... I hope so :-)

@JackSpadeXI 10 месяцев назад

The contrast painted ork looks like he stood beking the exhaust pipe of the cardboard Deff Dread

@yesmilord2350 10 месяцев назад

Is it weird that my favorite part about this video is the sound design?

@aqua7734 10 месяцев назад

I agree that the all-acrylic model is better, but I think the contrast ork isn't half bad! Honestly though, I think contrast paints are best used as a complement to traditional methods rather than a replacement, as you demonstrated with your Mozrog model! It would have been really interesting if you did a third ork where you tried to use both types of paint, perhaps?

@ericduchossois8387 10 месяцев назад

Contrast is fantastic through an airbrush!

@benrunciman4399 10 месяцев назад

So nice I watched it twice

@Jamgeoso 10 месяцев назад

Cool video. I think to get the a vibrant finish out of contrast you need to go pretty bright with the underpainting. I use a similar underpainting technique but go a bit heavier on the white drybrush. It depends on the feel you want. I think the more grey there is the drabber(?) it tends to be. My favourite way to use contrast is very thinned down. Some directional colours underneath with an airbrush and then set some light tones with thinned contrast. A little highlighting and it gives a very cool effect. Cheers

@AzraelThanatos 10 месяцев назад

One of the things that I've found is that some of the black contrast does work great for black cloth that's less worn and weathered, but heavy enough for folds.

@seymourbutz5353 10 месяцев назад

My favourite use for contrast paints at the moment is using gryph charger grey as a shade for my votann undersuits and space wolves armour

@OmegaLittleBob 9 месяцев назад

Okay so...what if, a giant collaboration, all the Hobby RU-vidrs in the UK get together and they all each paint one of those little ork boys in the classic style, or maybe however they want.

@TheMrFishnDucks 10 месяцев назад

Never was a fan of grim dark. I love the bright fun colours of the 90s. Nice video. Keep up the good work. Sporktober forever.

@suntitan4429 10 месяцев назад

These look great just like some box art from the 90’s

@ElSpartan667 5 месяцев назад

Love the 90s videos

@PixelHarman 10 месяцев назад

Guy, I love painting contrast over slapchop priming, but if you wanted vibrant you should’ve painted over a white prime! Enjoyable video nonetheless ❤

@Bubbowie 10 месяцев назад

I like to use contrast paints trough the air brush, over a zenital basecoat. You can get a quite nice and vibrant result. It works like a charm for my salamanders space marines.

@twellas4445 10 месяцев назад

Super stoked about the competition! I was just wondering, are there any particularly important guidelines to follow? Some "rules" might really help a novice like me!

@JBMINIATURES 10 месяцев назад

YES!! Orks are my boyz!!

@YanniCooper 10 месяцев назад

If you're looking for bright with contrast, I strongly recommend priming with a colored zenithal. For these orks you could do black from below but instead of a white prime, hit it with yellow from above. Use thinner blue contrast on the skin to shade it to green (and you can easily go heavier in the shadows for shadows, or thinner where you want highlights), and then a strong red (thinner where you want highlights again) over the red parts. I'd end with Baal red in the shadows, though as it's a single pigment and so fairly opaque. For the checkers and metallics good old acrylics can't be beat though. I feel like learning how the CMYK color wheel works can be fantastic with contrast (at least the transparent ones). At least for me it's allowed for priming in color (possibly after a tactical drybrush/highlight in white) and can make painting so much faster while still keeping it vibrant, especially helpful when painting some of the newer sculpts (like say my current Hedonites project) which have amazingly many more details then older models. You can get a lot of traction from doing 2 thin coats of different colored contrast paint to arrive at vibrant end result from a white zenithal prime if that's more your jam, you just have to give a little time for the first coat to dry. Or don't, it's fairly easy to get a wet blend gradient with contrast if you work quickly (might be hard on a larger model), I'm not the boss of you.

@martinfamily2013 10 месяцев назад

Wow nostalgia. I miss the 90's.

@brianeno608 9 месяцев назад

I like the 90's marine challenge alot. If i can grab one (or print one lol) ill enter. Honestly GW should just re-release a pack of them, 1-5 and make em... $5-$10 (aus) for 1 or like $30-$50 for 5. They are iconic. I absolutely love how orktober challenge is just use any one, just make the scheme retro. Thanks guy, really appreciate that. I saw a spike in prices for 2nd edition marines and i was like oh no, they are going to go up even more lol.

@Nigelius 10 месяцев назад

I’ve started using contrast paints a lot more, specifically in two key areas and one lesser used area. Firstly, I’ve been using them as a base coat/wash combo as fully intended and then following up with traditional layering. Secondly, I’ve been thinning them down as a wash/glaze over some areas of layering. Lastly, I have been using them through the airbrush for stuff like OSL or other effects, I don’t do this as much but it’s great to implement once in a while. Contrasts are a great tool but they’re more something to include in your existing workflow rather than entirely replace it.

@Spongemonkey26 9 месяцев назад

Just FYI, Pro Acryl Blue is perfect for 90's styled Ultramarines. I use it on mine and it's great.

@Bluecho4 10 месяцев назад

"Is October 'Orktober' or 'Spooktober'? Why not both?" I'm certainly doing both this year. I've got some Kruleboyz I need to repaint, as I hadn't figured out my paint scheme when I painted the whole Ork half of the Dominion box last year. But I'm also planning on painting a bunch of skeletons from Wargames Atlantic (the box just came in the mail today), and some zombies from my pile of shame.

@Minicornerspace 10 месяцев назад

October is Sp-ork-tober Edit: i made this comment before Guy said Sporktober, im living in a simulation and im too smart for it

@garethjohns8458 10 месяцев назад

I guess the "new" method isn't as bright as the 90's method, and so if you want to replicate it you'd need to use opaque paints. But seeing you compare them side-by-side. The contrast model just looks better... At least in my opinion. But that's the beauty of mini-painting, you get to decide what looks better to you.

@jandukanocraft6897 10 месяцев назад

Oh yeah! HeroQuest in the channel? Looking forward to see it!!!

@ericdelgado1001 10 месяцев назад

My fav ork contrast recipee is 3/4 of plaguebearer's flesh and 1/4 of ork flesh, on slapchop or directly white works LIKE A CHARM xD Been watching you on stream, it's quite nice, I love your content!

@mikleman996 10 месяцев назад

WOOO MWM upload!

@MidwinterMinis 10 месяцев назад

Happy Ric Flair noises

@SwordofAlabastor 10 месяцев назад

Looking forward to Sporktober

@RonyTheRhombus. 9 месяцев назад

Reject tradition, embrace new high pigment paints

@TheRunningLeopard 10 месяцев назад

Just realized that I am about to paint a skeleton off of a color scheme decided on by the dice it came with, maybe I'll submit it just for the hell of it too.

@Daealis 10 месяцев назад

If you're going for the really vibrant colors, a warm white basecoat is all you need. Don't preshade with the rattle cans! You will need to do two layers of contrast anyway to get the saturation up. At that point you can add some shadows to the undersides if you're looking for volumetric highlights, using blues and purples diluted way down. I've made it my mission to understand these paints better and what i've noticed is that the preshading step is more harmful than anything else if you're looking for vibrant, punch-you-in-the-eyes minis. For grimdark style and speeding through a whole crew in a single coat, a grisaille is a good idea. For vibrant colors, you'll need two coats and only white as the base. And since you'll go for second coats anyway, shading on that pass won't take much more time, as you can even premix the shades on your palette and keep the formula consistent. Slap that vibrant tone on the topside of things, pushing it slightly too far, then dip your brush into the shading mixture and do the underside of the part while the bright paint is still wet. Natural wet-blends where they meet, nice and vibrant results!

@breezierchip8355 10 месяцев назад

My favourite use for contrast/speed/xpress/etc. paints is generally to basecoat a pure white primed mini. They just apply so damn fast.

@slow_runner 10 месяцев назад

I mean... compromise and call it SPORKtob... oh. I guess you just did as I was typing this out. Great minds think alike!

@Wolfineer_ 10 месяцев назад

Heroquest!! **grabby hands** Hrmm I think I have a few of those wraiths somewhere in a box of unpainted metals

@NagashUnbroken 10 месяцев назад

Poot poot. All aboard the pain train. 😂

@connorsells805 10 месяцев назад

I typically use contrast in the creases of capes and cloth and thin it down to make glazes.

@angus24.7 10 месяцев назад

I like contrast paints through an airbrush - and for doing some rough grimy trim on my iron warriors! But also - yes, very specific uses for it rather than a great all painting use

@MidwinterMinis 10 месяцев назад

Nice tip! I'll give it a go

@grimmriffer 10 месяцев назад

OMG, I had that skeleton army and had completely forgotten! 😄 Talk about fragile - but it was nice of GW to provide them already in a bone colour!

@FreshCoatKustoms 10 месяцев назад

Light to medium grey with a white drybrush or, if you want it smoother and warmer, a light beige / bone white and then off white drybrush as an undercoat and using different colours (Ork Skin Xpress Paint by Vallejo is amazing, so is Blood Red Speedpaint by AP) will do the trick. I have painted a few of these Orks in no time and they look 90s AF.

@jamesgreen9480 10 месяцев назад

For the competition do you need to paint it in October or can you start them now?

@warbossbenny6877 10 месяцев назад

Slapchop + contrast paints are all I use now. It's hard when you want to paint but have a job and a kid and really need finish a project with some pretty decent results

@turnipslop3822 10 месяцев назад

Would love to see you do a 2e battle report when these guys are finished with Olden Demon. Think the combination of you two would be hilarious :]

@AceOfQuades 10 месяцев назад

I've been experimenting with getting contrast paints not to have that gross desaturation in the highlights and my protip would be paint in a thin layer of a tinted highlight before any contrast, so peach under red, sky blue under deeper blues, lemon yellow under lime greens etc. 1 thin coat is enough tbh so long as your thinning the contrast with medium. Even the older range of contrast can really pump up the vibrancy with just a slight push of an undercoat

@Mosaic117 10 месяцев назад

“Second edition was really nice and simple” -was it guy?? Was it really?!!

@boozebeard9501 10 месяцев назад

Guy: "thiis ork took 4 hours to paint. That would be 2 weeks full time painting for the whole squad!" Me looking at my 1200 points of orks it's taken me 3 years to paint: "Whats ur point?"

@Start3rPack 10 месяцев назад

Been looking to paint some Nobz some classic colors. Does the retro have a cutoff? Like what year isn't considered Retro? Been a fan since 6th and got into the look of 3rd edition.