You can tell he doesn't know anything about hardware ...he's basically clueless...he's reading of from either papers or a result instead doing his own analysis which he doesn't do. ....so sad.....
Regarding Nvme drives' read/write speeds, I seem to recall reading a footnote, which basically states capacity affects its performance. In other words, as the drive fills up, speed decreases. Something to explore on another test of yours, perhaps? Great video. Thanks for sharing!
Thank you so much for this. I'm building a new editing station now but I was really having a hard time deciding on which drives to purchase since I didn't know how they would affect my timeline and rendering. This is also going to affect my motherboard choice with my budget constraints. Thank you so so much!
The timeline contains mixed clips which is basically different gradient of load on drive which makes a bit off test but is actually real usecase. HDD to any SSD even to SATA is very huge difference. But, there seem to be not much difference on SATA to NVMe ones. All that matters is random speeds and response time. Though NVMe drives have good sequential speed, random speed are same but response time is faster than SATA ones. So, that could only make a little difference on SSD side.
Actually, I would have expected you to include one of the Optane P 1600x series. Their 4k write times are still unmatched by PCIe 4.0 and 5.0. Would have been interesting to see them compare to those NAND-drives in workload scenarios.
another brillant vlog my head is bursting with information i have started saveing all the vlogs for reference best tech info site clear to understand and like working with a friend
Nice video as always 👍 Could you make a vodeo about how you work with your black and white PC? You build in a 3.0 and a 4.0 storage drive, so it would be interesting to know what you store where. Thanks a lot!
Good video. It would be interesting to run the same tests using a small NVMe set up as the Adobe Cache drive. You didn't really go into much detail on how you have your computer set-up. Is the OS, Apps, Cache and Media all on the test drive?
I would like to understand the best SSD combination (bang for buck) for premiere. I mean for OS & programs, active project and source media, scratch and cache... Does it is necesary to have 3 SSD NVMEs?
my editing software has been so laggy and now i realize it could be the drive i never even thought of that. I always thought it was the cpu but I think the drive would make more sense cause my drive isn't very good
You are absolutely wrong when you refer to the rising CPU as the best for creators. Adobe and many other video editing software companies specifically optimize their software for Intel CPUs and the Intel CPUs simply blow away the amds and performance especially when video and coding and exporting. This is a 100% fact.
I currently have a PCIe 3.0 system drive (1TB WD SN750 SE) and a 1T Samsung T5 external ssd (~550 MB/s) as project, footage, and cache/scratch disc. Now I'm planning on buying a third drive to get the cache/scratch disc on their own drive, but I'm not sure what to get. Should I get a PCIe 3.0 or 4.0 drive as project/footage drive and use the T5 for cache/scratch disc? Or the other way around? I've also read that a drive with DRAM cache is important for the system drive, which the SN750 SE does not have, so another option would be to get a new system drive and use the SN750 SE as scratch drive. Any recommendations for my situation?
I work on Adobe Premiere Pro everyday to edit my videos but I'm still using a HDD. I needed this video to make sure if I needed a nvme ssd to make video editing faster. Thanks so much for detailed explanation. Can you please tell me the difference in active time(in task manager) of HDD vs SDD while converting a video or importing/exporting. The 2nd monitor wasn't clearly visible. I have an i7 8700K CPU with 1070Ti + 8GB RAM
I built mine with 3 Firecuda Nvme, 1 TB for OS, 2 TB for Project and another 2TB for assets and a 16 TB HHD for storage purposes. Although I am consider upgrading my OS drive since it’s already at 70% usage with all the programs. My editing software is Vegas Pro, while I have others, but since I started with Vegas years back it’s sort of my default to go to.
Also when is it time to replace an SSD My WD 512GB NVMe PCIe SSD is at 88% life left and about 56% full. It is my C:\ Drive and the Original 1TB HDD is the D:\ Drive. 2 questions is the drives 12% un usable now & is the 56% usage of the ORIGINAL 512 GB or the 88% remaining?Also What happens if I clone the new SSD from the old SSD at it's reduced size. I would hate to have to do a clean install of the OS and hope I can put all my Programs and Files for 3 years of Video editing with Davinci Resolve ack and expect it to work properly. PLZ explaine how the MBW megabytes Written affects the capacity and Recoverability of DATA on an OLD SSD.
sorry for the unrelated question, But I was afraid of keeping Raid0 on two 970 500gb for my system and many people told me it is not worth the damage long term to the ssd. Is is true and I should keep it or switch back to raid 0? and will it really speed up my system and work flow with video editing?
so i have a lenovo legion 5 pro ( 2020 ) rtx 2060, ive just bought a samsung 870 evo sata SSD and Samsung 980 pro nvme ( yes i cant use 4th gen speeds on the legion, but i plan on keeping it and installing it in a future laptop that supports 4th gen speeds) my question is, i plan on doing 4k editing using premiere pro, should i use the 980 pro as my main drive, OS installed etc, or use the 870 evo as my main drive, and use the 980 to install premiere pro on and any other software, plus games? im afraid of using the 980 pro as my OS drive as i know nvme's heat up a lot quicker than typical sata ssd's, can anyone recommend what i should do?
I have 12gb ram with hdd, should i upgrade my ram first or upgrade my hdd to ssd first for faster performance & rendering on after effect/premiere? please answer, thankyou in advance!
It depends on the bit rate not resolution. The bigger the bitrate of the video the faster the drive should be. Like some of the REDS and cannons shoot 1Gbps and more which is crazy data rate. Then the faster nvme-s start to make even bigger difference. :)
Having 16GBytes of Video Ram certainly helps with scrubbing/editing my 6K footage. A fast NVMe PCIe drive as a cache/temp/scratch disk is a great help. An ordinary SSD for "C: + Apps" is fast enough, as your OS does not necessarily run faster on a NVMe. More RAM does help.
I am debating between a 4tb Sabrent Rocket 3.0 M.2 or a 4TB Seagate FireCuda 530 4TB 4.0 m.2 for my project drive/Dropbox Drive. (I am avoiding the Rocket 4 plus because of its lower endurance ratings). I have a 5950x., 64gb ram, and edit 4k RU-vid vids with B-Roll. In the video, he mentioned noticing slightly faster timeline responsiveness with the pci 4.0 m.2. I wonder if he would have seen this same result if he had a separate scratch disk. Could this advantage over the 3.0 be nullified by my using a fast pci 4.0 m.2 as a scratch disk? Puget systems recommends using a moderately fast SSD for the project disk (saying that a faster won't really make a difference) and a super fast SSD for the scratch disk. I am wondering if the 4.0 is worth the extra $250, or if it will give pretty much the exact same feel as the 3.0 (when using a fast scratch disk). Any thoughts? Thanks!
I've also noticed that when it comes to video editing. Havine RAM that is specificly stated as "supported" on the MOBO can make a big difference. I had 64gb 4000Mhz RAM which my Asus Dark Hero MOBO says it can support up to and beyond that amount. BUT, my ram was not "Specifically" mentioned in its supported ram. Which would cause Davinci Resovle to lock up after a few minutes. After getting 32gb 3600Mhz that is mentioned in the manual. I haven't had an issue. My issue was like having a friend that you got along with playing games, but try working on a project with them and they instantly through a fit.
Thanks for doing this video. It's exactly the info I was looking for. Liked and subbed. I am a professional creator, and have a very similar build as yours in your video. I am debating between a 4tb Sabrent Rocket 3.0 M.2 or a Seagate FireCuda 530 4TB 4.0 m.2 for my project drive/Dropbox Drive. (I am avoiding the Rocket 4 plus because of it's lower endurance ratings). In the video, you mentioned noticing slightly faster timeline responsiveness with the pci 4.0 m.2. Could this advantage over the 3.0 be nullified either by ram (I have 64gb), or by using a fast pci 4.0 m.2 as a scratch disk? My understanding that the project drive where the video files are stored is only used by the editing software initially, and then those files are then temporarily stored in either ram or on your scratch disk? Am I correct in this? I want the best possible performance, but don't want to waste money on a pci 4.0 when a pci 3.0 will give the same result. Any thoughts? Thanks again!
Question, when you compare the hdd vs ssd vs m2 etc. Does that also mean the footage HAS to be on that drive to use its power? Like if my footage is on an hdd but adobe on an ssd, will it mean i get hdd playback?
I am from bangladesh and i can't find the western digital or sabrent here. I was thinking to go with samsung 980 pro for video editing. Is it a good choice?
I really enjoy watching your videos. They are very technical and demonstrate professionalism. I would like to see a test like this at Davinci Resolve. Thanks
I currently have my OS on a M.2 Drive, and Premiere Cache on another M.2 with the projects and asset files being on a slower 200mb/s HDD. Would I notice a jump in performance if I bought another m.2 drive for the assets and projects, or would this be a marginal difference for the price.
I might be a bit late to the party but is there any way for you to set up a blind test for yourself when it comes to "feeling" the difference between drives? Maybe you have a partner who can open up each project and then you get to say which drive feels faster/snappier/smoother?
That is a genius idea! Blind tests are the true tellers; no heart feels, it's only what the user perceives. I do them with audio set ups when I upgrade a component, and there are times where I surprise myself!
You're being dishonest. Why did you use WD Green HDD for comparison? From WD website: "WD Green is designed for everyday light computing tasks". Video editing is not "light computing". Why didn't you use WD Black or WD Gold? Which are performance oriented and definitely something that an editor would choose over WD Green.
1 year later im using ur code for the windows keys and it even stacked w their current sale! so happy i found ur channel lately. its been so informative for an editor like myself who edits on his own built system.
How does premier response from ssd pci 3.0 over 4.0 ? because amd is now pci3.0 and intel 4.0 but want to make a amd system is it good enough for 3 years editing and no upgrades (32gbddr4 2tb 5700g 2070 and possible nvme ) because of the intergrade gpu and price difference small budget
Such a great video my friend!! I highly recommend to make a video about RAM in terms of creating different video qualities in Premier Pro, just don't include gaming since many yt channels did that. do we need 16gb, 32gb, 64gb? Such as rending 4k vids is enough to benchmark, so it wont consume much time for testing. And does it affect if we use 4 rams than 2 pairs of ram? Like 32gb (2x16) vs (4x8) THANKS!! Love from Philippines!
okay, there's something i don't understand, so i've been meaning to get an m.2 recently (gen 3 one) and i'm really confused about this whole premiere thing, like i get that i'll have my os and all the software on my m.2, but do the video files and projects have to be on that same m.2 for it to be faster in the timeline as well? Because i'm getting around 512gb i want to split that drive into 2 partitions and have around 256gb for my os and softwares and the rest for anything else and then store all my videos and projects on the hdd. If i need to have my videos and projects on the m.2 for it to be faster then i'll get a 1tb one and have like 600-700 gb for all of that then.
To distill all I've learned: HDD for storage only. Forget PCIE3.0. Choose between SATA SSD and PCIE4.0. If you can afford the latter, get it. If you can't SATA SSD is the next best value for money. PCIE3.0 for most applications isn't a good enough improvement on SATA SSD to warrant the price hike.
I just bought a 970 EVO PLUS 1TB M.2 NVME SSD with 3500MB read speed and 3300 write speed, but I also have a 3090 Ti and 5950X, I want to use my PC for 3D modelling. Will my SSD bottleneck? 😔😩🤦♂️
2min13s is not the same thing as 2.13 minutes. is this a mistake or regional language difference? Also, we have to throw out your PCIE 3.0 test because the Samsung is not the same thing as the Sabrent and your PCIE 4.0 because the TFORCE is not really a true gen 4 NVME. No one should be buying this scam of a product. Should have gone with an actual Sabrent 3 and a Sabrent Rocket 4 Plus for a more comparative test.
Testing a NAS with proper RAID setup and 10Gbit connection (for video editing) could also be interesting to see in the near future! Especially if using SSD drives, not HDDs. Expensive, but not many channels have done videos about that :)
Great video, thanks! I was wondering about it too and researched a lot, but you explain it so well and it’s way more fun to watch ;) Greetings from Berlin
Does any one can help me with this problem: When I am in a project/sequence and I wanna watch my clips as a preview it is lagging. Also sometimes after rendering my timeline and playing it again the green line goes to red again. Also while editing on the timeline it is slow with showing some parts of the timeline for example when I go from the middle of the clip to the end its stays in the middle and I have to wait 10 sec sometimes to see the end. I have a ssd as my main drive and a hdd as a second drive. Also I have a samsung T7 shield ssd, but I am not sure where the problem is
The hard drive is slow because he spent about 100 on a cheap drive that runs 5400 rpm instead of getting a better drive....so stop complaining and get a better drive and spend more money like I do....
you need to take into account things like the absence or presence of DRAM and the amount of SLC cache the SSD's have etc. If the PCIe 3 drive has DRAM and a relatively large SLC cache, while the PCIe 4 drive either doesnt have DRAM at all or less than the PCIe 3 drive, and a smaller SLC cache, then that will obviously have a larger effect in import and export times than the bus interface they are using. They are running on 4 PCIe lanes, meaning that even in the sequential read speed test you did at the start, the PCIe 4 drive is just barely pulling speeds that are faster than PCIe 3 x 4. In "real life" usage such as importing and exporting several files in a Premiere project, it's not going to reach those speeds, meaning that the PCIe 4 drive is not even exhausting the speeds that PCIe 3 is capable of. So it is a bit odd that that is what you choose to focus on when that is nearly irrelevant in these scenarios, and other features like those mentioned above will have a much larger effect on performance
Do you know a website that shows all that data? I'm currently building for the first time and I'm struggling to find DRAM and especially SLC cache sizes.
@Be MySugarDaddy There is a list of drives that has a column for DRAM. Maybe do a search for "ssd with dram" and it'll probably pop up. The list is kinda long and has a lot of info. What I ended up doing was simply checking reviews on the big sites that you can search the reviews. Then search for "dram" and read whether or not folks say it has or doesn't. Can't go wrong with Samsung Pro's or WD Blacks.
@@ungoyone thanks. I went for a Kingston KC3000 512 GB for OS and maybe applications, a WD Black SN850X 2 TB for frequently used data and applications (I think it's overkill but I got it for 179€ with free shipping) and a WD Blue SN570 2TB for Back ups and data I don't need a lot. Have to look into partition but that's what I'm going to work with for now. The SN570 doesn't have dram but should be more than fast enough for its purpose.
Really appreciate your work and I love all your videos. Can you please make a video about which X570 motherboard brand is the best between Gigabyte, Asus, MSI and ASRock?
the best review video of all the ssd and hhd comparison on youtube so far in regards to/for premiere pro. Really appreciate your Hardwork bro, Keep going on... thank you so much.
Great information in this video. I am about to build my first computer and I was wondering would you invest in fast memory and a good CPU over the top of the line GPU. I do mainly graphic design and photo editing and just a tiny bit of 4k video editing
To be fair, I'd never use a green drive for work data just archive. My current 12TB WD work drives have a read/write in the 250MB/sec range (2.5x faster than your green) but about to upgrade to 8TB 7.4/5.5GB/s in the mac studio.
Could you explain better how your system is organized ? Your OS is installed on the C: drive which is what ? A sata SSD ? Your Adobe Premiere is always installed on a PCI 4.0 drive ? Your Scratch disk and Media Cache files are installed where ? I always known that it´s good to have a separated drive for the media cache. By making my personal tests, I noticed that it´s not good the media files be located on the same drive where the media cache file and database are located. There´s a lag. The best option for me for now is when Adobe Premiere Pro is installed on the C: drive along with the system, media files are on a second drive, media cache and scratch are on a third drive. As I don´t have so many SSDs, probably it would still be better if I could install Adobe Premiere on a separated drive from the system, i.e, perhaps, one drive for Premiere, another for the media files, and another for media cache and scratch and database. My motherboard doesn´t support so many high speed SSDs. Probably I´ll have to purchase on of those PCIe boards which supports at least 2 PCIe SSDs.
u should try comparison of transfering files to other drives that will see which one is more effective. by opening premier is about CPU and RAM nothing to do with SSD
This is the Best Comparison Video Ever! i am using normal hdd and i was guessing maybe my graphics card is not enough because i have i9 processor and my premier playback sucks so bad!! i guess now i know i have to use nvme ssds only while editing. normal hdds sucks.
Grabbed myself a Samsung 980 1tb (gen 3 drive) for £80 to put in my new build. It's currently available at that price on ccl computers for anyone looking to purchase one
I think the first computer company to build a recyclable video editing and music editing appliance will WIN this consumer market... What does it take ?.....Not much right ?
Hello! I have an SSD 1TB and an HDD 2TB in my computer. I installed all programs in the SSD for better performance. But for the footage, is it ok to drop it into the HDD for the space and then import it into premiere? or is it better if i drop the footage in the ssd?
thx for the comparison, I'm actually looking to find a good price/performance nvme for photo editing and exporting animation videos based on OpenGL. And, also the best nvme for using and loading VSTs in Cubase. For now, PCI 3.0 seems the best deal. take care!
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