Do I Regret Buying A 4 Stroke Snowmobile? 

I also ride in Wisconsin and it’s the perfect place for 4 strokes. What’s more silly are the guys running paddle tracked mountain sled down the groomed trails of northern Wisconsin.

I’ve put 10k miles on my 2011 600Ace and I can honestly say for long distance trail riding the 4 stroke is the only snowmobile I’ll own again. Very peaceful experience.

Same thing was said about outboard 4strokes on boats.... and it took about 15 years but now they are absolutely taking over with equal or better power, much better fuel economy and the weight has been reduced to the point its a non-factor. Seems snowmobiles are just a bit behind but they are working there way to the same point.

I'm a 4 stroke guy for the simple fact I'm not interested in rebuilding my engine every two years. With that said, Ride Whatever, just enjoy the ride. First thing I think is often misunderstood or is quick vs fast. Sure, many two strokes are quick off the line but my 4 strokes can go fast, really fast. The fastest production sleds are 4 strokes. Look up SRX and Thundercat on Snowtracks channel. My new Yamacat Sidewinder X TX LE 146 is a beast. Turbo is key. Horsepower and torque or amazing with arm stretching pull. With the torque the weight of the sled isn't an issue on Adirondack trails and on the lakes the weight ads stability in the triple digits. 🏁

Went from a 600 2-stroke to a 9000 and don’t regret it at all! You wouldn’t be disappointed if you upgraded. I’m a trail rider 90% of the time and don’t mind throwing it into some deep stuff too and have never had an issue. I’m not hitting the mountains with it any time soon but a little off trail is always fun haha.

Xf1100 owner and have been very happy with its performance. I think a person just needs to be really honest with what they will actually use their seld for when considering what to get. For me in west central wi, I'm a flat land trail rider and really wanted reliabilty and comfort which this machine has given me. The power is very comparable to a 600 class 2 stroke. I think a 2 stroke might have an advantage at the top end, but I rarely ever get to that point, so I don't mind. It's a wonderful thing for us to have so many choices! Everyone can find the model that fits what they want!

While I got nothing bad to say about a 4 stroke, Im greasy triple til death. I came up with the 650 Wildcat being the big dog and watched the muscle sled craze in all its glory. My trail pig is a 96 ZRT(bought new), my play sled is a T-Cat 1k. Just something about em.

I have a 17 sidewinder mtx and all we do is technical riding and it's the most fun sled ever I think. Greatest sled in the world

Thanks for the content Swanky! Left 2 strokes 7 years ago and will never go back. Love the torque, quiet, and smooth motor. Picked up the 22 ski doo 900 ace turbo R x and it is great!

one thing i love about 2 strokes is just simply the way they sound!

My wife and I both have 4 strokes 2016 Skidoo 900 ace and 1200 4tec. Love the low maintenance and specially the 87 regular gas at the pump. I came off a 800 switchback, too much unused power for my needs. Also the 900 has 15000 miles and the 1200 just rolled 11000 last weekend. They spend alot of time pinned on the bar so there not driven easy! Very dependable!

Front. I think you nailed it. Same thing I tell everybody all the time. If it gets you on the trail, its a good machine!!

Ok, I bought a Nytro XTX at end of last season. Buzzed for 15 minutes this morning and am going out tomorrow for first REAL ride. A) it is heavy B) it has so much torque, it is scary. Does not feather like a two stroke (it has clutch kit) so that will be the hardest thing to get used to. I am NOT sorry I went to 4 stroke. I will report after tomorrow’s ride on my true first experience and rating. Keep on posting. Good stuff!

I liked the front bumper mount setup. Nothing wrong with 4 strokes. For most people out poking around on the trails, which are most people, it's probably the optimum setup. When you get into off-trail, 2 stroke tends to be the way to go. I'm interested in seeing what the ev segment will bring. There's a company called Taiga motors up in Canada making some impressive claims about their sleds for power, range and weight. And ev instant power is pretty hard to beat. Can it really work in a cold environment is another story. It's something I'm watching though.

I had all 2 strokes and rebuilt them all the time. Then my last sled wast a 09 renegade 600 etec, still had lots of fixing. Bought my 15 Viper xtx new and it's been the most reliable thing I've owned so far. 7000km ish and been awsome, it is heavier, it's definitely faster than my 600 so I'm pretty happy with the 4 stroke. I don't get out too much so I need it not to break down when I get to go.

I ride a 900 turbo and don’t plan on going back to a 2 stroke. It really fits my style of riding. I get great acceleration and top speed does not interest me. But it goes plenty fast!

I rode a 2013 Renegade X 1200 for 8 seasons and 12k miles. I did love that sled but last year I went back to a 2 stroke short track (129). I bought a 2019 MXZ XRS 600r. The weight difference is unbelievable. And that is what I sick of with the 4 stroke , the heavy front end. The 4 stroke was great but the lighter 2 stroke is way better in my opinion.

I currently ride a 2016 ZR 8000 Limited 137 and I had the opportunity to ride a New ZR 9000 137" with the Yamaha 998 cc triple turbo. I can tell you from back to back comparison of that turbo and my 800 stroke the weight difference wasn't that dramatic. What was dramatically different however, was the power, holy crap does that Turbo pull hard!! I'm having a hard time picking between the new Cat/ Yamaha Turbo and a new Polaris Matryx 850. All I can say is you won't be disappointed in the Turbo 4 stroke if you look at the 2017 - 2022. :-) P.S. Might I suggest putting a set of C&A Pro XPT ski's with a set of at least 7.5" shaper carbids on your F1100. It will be night and day different over them stock ski's with dual carbides!

Got a 2 stroke Lynx ST 600, what a durable mashin that is!

I haven't had a snowmobile in about 10 years and it used to be a 97 MXZ 440 fan. Just this last May, I scored a 2015 Sr Viper XTX with 524 km. I predominantly ride trail but like wandering off trail every now and then. To say the four stroke is an upgrade for me is an understatement. Yeah it's heavy but if I predominantly ride trail it's not at all an issue. In fact, it's a bit of an asset as the machine tends to cling to the trail a little better than some lighter sleds.

Went from 2 stroke to 4stroke now im hooked on the 4 stroke for trail riding cant be beat!!! now own a Z! 1100 turbo Artic Cat 225Hp no shortage of power LOL :-)

I bought a 2006 Cat T660 Turbo Touring a couple years ago as my first 4-stroke sled. Loved it and still have it as a spare. SOOO quiet and stink free, 20mpg easy all day long was a nice bonus. Last year I bought a couple 2010 Phazer 500 4-strokes for something a bit lighter than the big Cat to play around with. After a bit of suspension tuning and some Curve XS skis I got them to handle great finally. They've been super reliable too. Best sleds I've had so far! No stink and 16-20mpg on the trails. I actually get nauseous after awhile if I have to follow a 2-smoker on the trails, even the new ones. They burn very little oil compared to the older ones but I can still smell the exhaust just the same. I'll never go back to a 2-stroke.

Came off a 13 f8 with good intentions to update but prices went sky high so I bought a 11 z1 1100 with 300 miles on it for a filler sled till I bought new a new 2 stroke I’m super impressed with it and still riding! I agree on the turbo thinking have a good one Ben

Interesting invisible selfie stick! Makes for some cool shots!

I had the 1100 before that one, the 2010. A lot of people say the sled improved but my 2010 year was epic for trail riding. I bought a 2015 assault and the build quality was low but the machine was cool. I found it very wobbly in trail riding. I think the 4 stroke cruiser is the way to go for us old guys. I think the new 2 stroke engines are made to such high quality but emissions has cut the oil to nothing. I would Beth these new 2 strokes would last 30000k if you could re-map it to use more oil and run a touch more rich But for me 4 stroke quiet. The Suzuki twin or the Yamahas that exhaust out back are the most quiet for us older fellows However I think that the new Polaris are the absolute most cool looking machine ever made I see why the resale is so high They just look so good

I picked up a 2013 F1100 Turbo RR beginning of 2020/21 season. Have ridden ZR 700s and 800s for years before this beast. It also has a Speedwerx tune and 240hp on 91 octane. Power is insane and feels awesome on trail. Ditch bangin is not so much fun with it. The front end weight and insane torque makes it hard to lighten up the front for driveway approach or big moguls. Central MN trails, fields, lakes are sooo much fun. But you are right, 2-stroke to 4-stroke is like apples to oranges. They both have their high-points and low points. Will have to get my old ZR700 ut and jump back and forth to get a better comparison. Ride safe.

Started watching you because of my XF9000 137, good sled and super fast in a straight line but too heavy, I'm 175 6'1" and it was hard for me to muscle around. I now have 600 miles on my 22 renegade 850 and freaking love it, Rides like a Cadillac and the acceleration and nimbleness is what I needed for my 95.67% MI trail riding. Keep up the vids!

4 stroke are ideal for trail riding. I got a new 2022 900 GT and I can put it in eco mode and go nearly double the distance on the same amount of gas then anyone I ride with. And in sport mode it feels identical to the power of a 2 stroke 600 but probably a bit more torque. Also once you flip it over to finger throttle. You can't go back to thumb. Much better grip and control. I know I'll never go back to 2 stroke.

I have moved to an XF 1100 Turbo after owning and racing too many 600cc two strokes than I can count. I like the effortless, calm and quiet power of the turbo 4 stroke, but I definitely miss the lightness of my 2 strokes. I've had to put a lot of effort into getting the 4 stroke to be able to turn, and it was a big learning curve to not be able to use the throttle as an on/off switch like I could on the 600cc 2 strokes. Overall, I feel like I will never sell XF 1100 Turbo for use as a back up sled and for long rides with lakes, but I will buy another 600cc 2 stroke primary sled for corner to corner tight woods riding which is what I enjoy most.

I have driven both a 4 stroke and a 2 stroke and I prefer 4 stroke over a 2 stroke because one you can travel further on the trails and the reliability I dont want to keep spending money on repairs so that is why a 4 stroke fits me better

Rode 2 strokes all my life.....my wife and I made the switch from 600 two strokes to SkiDoo MXZs with 900ace 4 stroke in 2017.11,000+ miles and could not be happier.For groomed trail riding we give those engines 10 out of 10

I don’t regret buying a 4-stroke even a little bit. 2-stroke and 4’s are very different and made for different things. We need both and I love both. As far as 4-strokes being slow? 4-strokes are more amicable to modification but are ready made for super chargers or turbochargers. In fact, the most powerful snowmobile stock engine ever created to date is a 4-stroke.

After coming off an old 2 stroke Polaris, I own a pair of 900 ACE sleds. I ride trails exclusively and its nice to be able to go nearly 200 miles on 87 octane without worrying about running out of fuel. The serenity and the reliability of the 4 stroke is nice and Ive hit 87mph routinely on the lakes, which is plenty fast enough for me. That learning key was really helpful for the kids when they were starting out too. I have no problem with the modern 2 strokes that don't have you stinking like a landscaper at the end of the day, but all in all I'm glad I made the choice.

Great video had a 2010 ski doo 600HO grand touring 2 stroke and I always coughed after my rides and smell of oil , got a 2017 1200 grand touring SE 4 stroke problem solved and this sled is super fast I always ride trails . ( Please stay on the trails we are loosing too many trails )

Thanks for your videos. They helped me pick a sled for what I want to do. I ride in northern WI, everything was new to me. I’m happy with our choice.

I ❤ my 900ACE Expedition Sport. It is a heavy mashine but for my needs it's spot on.

Someone will always have a faster sled than you, no matter what you get. As you said buy a sled for your riding style. I use mine for 90% ice fishing and the rest is some trail and ditch banging. I don't care that it's not a 120mph trail sled that can boondock...that's fun and I was a teenager once, but not what I'm after now Also, the reliability factor of a 4-stroke is the biggest upside 👍

"If it starts and runs...that's a good sled". --- Agreed!

For the average rider there is 0 issue running a 4 stroke with today's technology. The only place I'd say it's beneficial to run a smoker is in the mountains or when your worried about not starting in -40 nights at the camp otherwise it's almost always better running a 4 stroke.

Had a 2000 yamaha srx 700 triple 2-stroke. It was snappy as hell and scary fast. Now I have a 21 rs venture, 1049cc 4-stroke. It is great, quick, reliable and quiet. Only maintenance needed is oil changes and carbides. Nothing against 2-strokes theyre fun but for long term reliability and trail riding ill only ever own a 4-stroke snowmobile. People underestimate mid range torque on 4 strokes as well, theyre very powerful in their own way.

Went from an F7 to a 14 XF9000 with a 260 hp tune Can’t say I miss the F7 ! For a trail sled the weight does not matter, anyone who makes a big deal about it clearly has not ridden one. Buddies got the 8000 2 stroke sleds and they don’t compare. They are fun too but on the tail they handle 95% the same but lighter steering feel but the 9000 feels more planted with less ski lift so it’s up to you. But out the flipper to the gripper and the Turbo makes you giggle

We have a Polaris that we keep now as a "backup" sled as the kids are out of the house now. It is VERY reliable, always starts and runs fine. Just gotta keep coolant in it.

I went from a ski doo 800r to a tuned 900 ace turbo and I’ll never go back you can’t beat that 200hp pull

I switched in 2011 from 800cc 2 stroke to an 2012 XF 1100 turbo. Boosted it before I even rode it. 220 HP on that one. Snow checked a 2016 ZR 9000 limited with the 137" track. Boosted it and got the 3" intimidator exhaust by turbo Dynamics. And a bunch of other goodies. I still have it with 6, 390 MI. It's over 300 horsepower and I put a 2 in track on it. It's the most amazing sled ever. It has anti-lag for starts and will rip your arms off!! I will never buy another two-stroke.

Rode 2 strokes most my life. Picked up a 2013 xf1100 turbo a couple years back now and it has some pros and cons for sure. I do like 70 trail 30 off. Mainly ride in the northern Wisconsin or UP area. I found after a long day of trail riding the extra weight really made a difference. Normally would do 200 miles a day if trail riding. So it was definitely nice not buying all that oil. And when taking it off trail it’s very hard to get it on one ski to carve. Even with the crossover version of the sled. 141” track I believe. When I got stuck as well if I was alone not sure if I’d be able to get the sled out by myself. I now ride a 2018 Polaris pro-s switchback and find its a lot better on and off trail with weight being the biggest thing for me. I’m thinking about getting a T-Cat in the coming years now that it has power steering on them. Seems like a cool thing to have. Would still need a off trail sled though as that would be trail on sled.

I have a 2012 F1100 and a 2015 ZR8000.... my girl has a the 4 stroke (heated seat makes them happy)... and yeah, I prefer the two stroke. You can carbide it up and whatnot but the weight is there, but most importantly, at least for me, is the slower throttle response. It makes it less fun. With the two stroke, the response is so fast, and with less weight, I can blip the throttle on uneven trails, and that keeps the front of the sled from going down into valleys.... so it's more comfortable/smoother, as you can use the throttle on/off to even out bumpy terrible trails. The 4 stroke is still a great sled.... it's just not as fun, and not as comfortable. Try riding one back to back and report back. I like the torque of the 4 stroke... and never adding oil is cool.... and I beat every 600 I ever raced... but.. it just wasn't as FUN, and I want to have FUN when I ride. Zuke 800 is the coolest engine you can get in this chassis imho; not very refined but super fun, only reason it was stopped was emissions.

I'm really proud of the way you ride, NO THROTTLE JERKING. 🤣 I gave you a thumbs up and I subscribed !!!

Absolutely not !!!!best reason..no 2 stroke smell on your outfit when day is done...

join a snowmobile club. the trails don't clear themselves and the signs don't put themselves in every fall... STAY ON THE TRAIL OR STAY HOME

I have been watching some of your videos and you really do a good job on reporting on what you like...dont like or just an honest review. I have always had 2 strokes and sold the last two a 1.5 years ago and they were a 2015 xf8000 sno pro and the wife's was a 2014 el tigre 6000 and really liked both....next weekend we are picking up a package deal and they are a 2015 xf9000 sno pro limited 137" with the turbo and a 2015 yamaha r tx dx 129" and hoping they will be a good choice. I read all the comments and replies on this video and its alot like republican or democrat...or dodge, chevy or ford...everyone will always like something different and that's what makes the world go around. I'm from Minnesota and will try and give a little feedback when we get them home and can swing a leg over them and put on some miles, we ride trails around Duluth and up north and should be good with these choices. Thanks again for your common sense videos and offering useful information from them! Subscribed....

I've got a 2010 ski doo gsx 1200se it's a beast it's heavy I will say it's no slouch. What I like most about my 4 stroke is it doesn't stink like a 2 stroke

I went from a Rev chassis MXZ 600 to '10 Yamaha Nytro XTX to a '17 Polaris Pro-S. The Polaris handles much better, is lighter, less tiring on long trail rides, and more fun in general. To me the trade off is worth it, and I don't keep my sleds long enough to worry about long term reliability. Next sled will most likely be a 2 stroke as well

I've got a Phazer 500 MTX. I regret it. I mean it runs fine, reliable, starts easy but it's a heavy pig. I've rolled it a few times and needed help to get it back on its skis. One time I rolled it, it puked oil out of the oil reservoir through the breather into the air box. I had to limp it home with low oil. Also the finicky gearbox reverse is no way as good as a two-stroke that can just start the motor backwards. For a trail sled on groomed trails, sure, but for mountain riding or even ditch-banging where you might end up rolling it? I'd say two-stroke all the way. Also, and this is more a complaint about the Phazer, but why have a nice big spot on the end of the tunnel to mount extra gas or other equipment and then point the exhaust right at it?

I used a 2013 F1100 Turbo for 2 years and that sled was a pain when I had to move it by hand in the snow. Going to a 2015 Polaris 800, shaving ~200lbs makes a huge difference. However, I do miss the high-end speed, smooth-running engine, and better fuel economy.

I started on a Yamaha phazer 500 to an apex 1000 which has 160 ish horse power and keep in mind I’m 13 and I can’t handle that much power so now I’m on a Polaris XC 500 but hoping to switch to a Polaris XC 600 and for only having a 500 two stroke love it more then my other 4 strokes

I’m in Ontario and I ride 2014 Polaris pro rmk 800. Cut my lugs down to 2-1/4” and w/155 track. It’s super light and amazing in the powder and slush if it comes up. Where is struggles though is top speed and because of the narrow ski stance I have to lean more in the corners on the trail to get to the powder. There is always pros and cons.

Went to a 4 stroke in 2003 when Yamaha came out with the RX1, NO CHANCE of ever going back!! 12 Nytro, 06 Apex, 07 Phazer!! Heavy? Maybe alittle bit but everthing else about them outways the weight for trail riding!!

Thanks for the Phazer shout out. I love my 2016 Phazer. It is so much fun.

I have a AC T660 touring. Definitely love the 4 stroke. Quiet and you don't smell like 2 stroke oil at the end of the day. I get about 16mpg or so with mine but it's geared down compared to the regular trail version.

We have a sidewinder 998 four stroke do distance trails and is comfortable smooth and reliable… had a two stroke oil cost alone adds up significantly over the course of a 2000 mile year 6800 on our sidewinder and so far two oil changes and just add gas but it all depends what type of riding you do I think there is a use for both

4 strokes are the Cadillacs of trail riding period. Extremely planted, confidence inspiring hogs. By nature 2 strokes are lighter more playful sleds. Ridiculous to compare them. In a perfect world I'd own one of every different terrain sled.

I have a 2 stroke and 4 stroke. (20 RiotX and 15 XF7000) I love the 7000 for trail riding. I will always have a 4 stroke in my fleet. Use my Riot for deeper powder adventures.

I keep going back and forth on getting a modern 4 stroke sled, my current sled is a 03 ZR900 APV with some performance mods, its 100% adrenaline rush every time I ride it, but MPG sucks and its getting hard on the body for long trail rides. Might just have to own both 2 and 4 stroke sleds. Thanks for the video.

I had a xf1100 for two seasons and ended up selling it due to the track length than it not having enough power, I'm from southeast wi and ride in the same areas you do. Bought a renegade 850 in 2019 witch was a amazing sled but 165hp can get outta control pretty easily so I sold that in fall because of the market I got more than I paid for it and picked up a 2022 tnt 600r. Only have 50 mi so far but seems to be the perfect sled for the areas I ride

I've owned both, from Indy 440s, Indy 400, to Polaris XLT, two 97 700 Vmaxs, 98, 2000 SRXs, 07 Apex, 12 Apex XTX. Now on 2010 Cat Z1 turbo. The Apexs were great sleds once set up, motor is an anvil in those Yammis, just don't break. But still rode heavyish. Z1 I have now, rides much lighter than it is, feels to pull harder than my Apex XTX it replaced, and the Suzuki motor is reputed to be about bulletproof. I'd be hard pressed to ever buy a 2s again. For trail riding, reliability, you just can't beat a reputable 4s in a good chassis.

I went from a Zr 1010 to a F1100 turbo with big tunes about 8 years ago and I really miss the feel of the two stroke snappiness.

Raise the front limiter strap a notch/inch. That will give you a more predictable ride on that model and more bite in the front end. You will have to balance out the ski pressure with steering effort based on your riding.

I got a Yamaha rx1000 warrior, can't wait to go riding this winter

I got an 06 Yamaha RS Vector 1000 cc four stroke I love the gas mileage

I went from 2007 2 stroke 1000cc sno pro to a 2017 thundercat, both were fairly heavy sleds but the Tcat handles and is so much more dependable. The old sno pro had a very comfy ride but required much more maintenance. I work on both but the tcat is much easier to work on and the newer body panels make service simple. I'm right at 6k miles on the tcat and my 1000 I sold at 7k it was getting pretty worn out. I plan on putting as many miles on the 4 stroke as I can.

I own a 2018 ski doo tundra and a 2019 renegade sport with the 600 ace 4stroke motor. I'll never buy another 2 stroke snowmobile ever again. My son's 2020 zr 200 is even a 4 stroke.

I love two strokes but my next sled will be a four stroke cat…been riding since 1972 . First sled was a brand new kitty cat at 6 years old lol. I have a Thundercat and F7 zRT 800 and 2002 Yamaha SRX 700. I’m 56 now I want something quiet and comfortable

It's all about the weight when the trail gets bumpy. For a smooth trail, the 4 stroke is fine but when it gets moguled out, that extra 70-100 lbs is brutal. Power delivery is just different but both have plenty

You better make sure you don't hit one of those tree stands. Man where do you ride? Can you imagine taking a quad down that trail wearing a fur coat during deer season.

I like my skidoo 600etec it's just like a 4stroke it's quite and easy on gas. I ride with 2 guys one with a yamaha 4 stroke the other with a cat 4 stroke. We did a 165 mile ride they had to fill up. I made it on one tank of gas. The cat used 2 tanks of gas. I could go 200 miles on a tank easy

I love my 2014 yamaha nytro mtx 153" xride 140hp feels the best in the deep snow and litle les on the trail

4 strokes for trail riding until the ev model comes out. 2 strokes for off trail riding. A 4 stoke can not tip over or you will leak oil into the motor. 2 stroke sleds can tip over or roll over and no issues for the machine. Living in the mtns of Idaho I need a trail sled and a mountain sled. You got your moneys worth with the hair cut.

My 2012 XF1100 is the best sled I've ever ridden or owned. Great in all conditions.

If you want a thrilling ride, get a Skidoo 800 ETEC. Just be careful and don't let your guard down or get too confident. Things are crotch rockets.

Bought a 2010 Polaris dragon 750 turbo 4 stroke, really fast up to 85, you'll definitely get embarrassed on the lake by a lot of 25-30 yr. Old two strokes. Be a lot less sore riding the 4 strokes though and putting 10,000 plus miles on without a rebuild is nice too.

I just sold my two Yamaha Nytro’s. Yes they are full of torque but I could never get my suspension properly adjusted. Had them for 5 years but ended up buying an AC Xf 1100, and wow 🤩 what an improvement in ride 👌. However the motor in the AC sounds and feels a little gutless compared to the arm ripping acceleration of the Yammis. All in all I’m very happy with my switch to the kitty cat 😃🍻🍻🍻

Thanks for posting so many awesome videos I really enjoy watching them. Question for you, which type of headlights did you end up purchasing for your sled? I think you mentioned in one of your videos that you switched over to LEDs but I'm wondering what brand and bulb number? I have a 2012 F1100 Sno Pro and I've always wanted to switch it over to LEDs as the stock bulbs are rather dim. Thanks !

Thought the arctic cat 660 turbo pulled ok.... heavy? Yes. But smooth....1100 turbo hits..... I love 2 stroke power. But sometimes enjoy the peace and sneakability of a 4 stroke

My wife and I run vipers . We love them . The odd time it would be nice to have a 2 stroke but we are 90% trail riding so it’s much better with the 4 stroke. What are you running for a gps?

I like camera on the front bumper looking back.

I have a 4 stroke Mountain sled. Yamaha Sidewinder MTX-50 Anniversary flashed to 300hp. It’s plenty capable. And arm stretching fast.

I ride deep powder/mountains 100% of the time with my FX Nytro MTX, but I've done some work to make better suited to mountain riding. Narrowed a-arm from Mountain Tech, 162 track with 2.5" lugs, steering relocate, turbo, etc. It works great. Of course it's not as light as the 2 stroke mountain sleds but it gets everywhere my buddies on 2 stokes get to and with ~180hp it does it very quickly. I also have much longer range and the benefit of zero concerns about major engine failure. Point being, the setup of the entire sled plays a much bigger role in how the sled performs for different types of riding than 2 stroke vs 4 stroke. It's just that most 4 strokes are setup to be on the comfort/touring/trail side of the market since the average mountain rider is replacing their sled ever 2 or 3 years and wants the absolute best performance and is willing to give up longevity for it.

Somewhat of an off topic question.... the trails you ride, are they all one way trails? They look narrow, with lots of blind turns, and kind of look scary if there was two way traffic.

A new sled is north of $16K. Ride an 800 for 2500 to 3000 miles, the engine fails, and it is a worthless paperweight. If you are lucky, and don't have to spend the night in the mountains during a snowstorm, and get helicoptered out, you only have to replace your engine for big $$. The public tolerates these profoundly unreliable chainsaw engines. Or, put some gas in your Apex or Nytro, ride these powerful limousines forever, and recover from the fleecing that we have been given. Not every trip to the trails is meant to be filming a youTube extreme video. Sometimes we like to get outdoors, enjoy the scenery, and not have the breakdown drama.

I went from the fastest 800 I’ve ever owned to my 900 ace turbo and I haven’t looked back!

couldnt wait to get out there huh? thin thin thin

Stud boy shaper bars are an awesome replacement for duallys

My local trails wouldn’t be open with that little snow. I would not ride on that. Just wearing stuff out for no reason

The best thing I like about 4-strokes there's no oil smell. When I rode 2-strokes all you smelled was injection oil. Now I pull into a gas station fill up with gas and go.

Ya 4 stroke will probably be my next sled. Running a Yamaha SX Viper 700 triple 2 stroke now on my channel. New video going up tonight or tomorrow.

I ride with my "antennae" all the time. 360 from the head is sweet. Now try posting 360 to RU-vid. I have a few on my channel. Just learning to post them in 360 over reframing in post production. BTW, I have ridden Yamaha fourstrokes since 2006 Currently on an Apex XTX. Love four stroke and will never go back.

I don't mind 4 stroke technology but I would never go from a Polaris to a DITCH PICKLE!

Regret Nothing!

Trail riding is such a weird concept, i would never subject myself to that unless im actually going to the place where you ride, but a 2 stroke for trail riding would be completely useless. 4 strokes rule that sector.

Stx sidewinder gt. We use it for pulling wood all day long.