The problem isn't the idols, it's the label... They want their idols be the most perfect possible, but it goes to far sometimes... Like the diets or the playback on stage...
It's company and fans honestly and it's sad after being apart of kpop famdoms since early 2000's it's just sad and feels less real and human like it's just too perfect
@@RADLee-fj9me yes you're right, i'd rather have the other miss a note or have a voice crack than not singing live at all. For example, Jennie's solo stages are good. She's singing live and you can hear the movement but it sounds raw and real
I don't really care if idols lipsync. I mean, it is hard to sing with hard choreography. But, if the idol is just standing in front of the mic and lipsyncing, then...
@ᗩ ᕼOᒪY CᕼILᗪ OF ᘜOD all WayV members are stable, some just better than others since some of them debuted before others. Honestly what do we expect from SM groups right? They are always stable, I can't think of a single SM artist that sounds actually bad live every time. Of course they can have times where they make mistakes, but overall every SM artist is stable and a good vocalist
I absolutely don't blame them either for lip syncing, but I blame them for pretending singing live and fooling their fans, which is completely different.
Yes but they lip sync to a recording that imitates live vocals, it's different than simply lip syncing to the song. It could come from a sense of details but it mostly creates confusion and they never clarify anything.
@@arieb.8876 Yes but that's what I mean, we don't talk about it because they're simply lip syncing but because they're trying to make fans believe that they're singing live.
*Mamamoo* is like the group I respect the most for live vocals, they are the group i know that don’t even know how to lip sync. And for pop artists it’s *Ariana Grande,* in her early days she would use alot of backtrack but these days she sings 100% live and does a whole tour with all these crazy vocals.
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I was just ranting about this on Twitter. Right now. Twice’s More & More was a devastating era in terms of singing quality. Of all the promotional stages, the ONLY ONE that didn’t have pre-recorded vocals was the one with red outfits, and honestly, it was disappointing. However, it’s all the company’s fault. JYP consciously sacrificed live vocals over choreography and I will never forgive their production team for that. Being musicians, the priority should be that idols are ABLE TO PERFORM their art. The girls can sing live. Take Yes or Yes era, for example. PURE GOLD. They’re amazing, we all know it. But HELL it annoys me when hardcore fans won’t point out their faves’ weaknesses. Criticism is necessary, y’all.
JYP has been going hella hard on the choreography lately. Jeongyeon even got injured form it. I understand that they won’t twice to have more interesting dances, but it’s too much at this point. I agree that More & More was a downgrade in terms of vocals
Totally agree, you're a group that releases music, why is dancing the priority? They can sing, and there are many ways to make a performance interesting other than intense choreography, why not get creative? I'm so frustrated by this
134 340, I think that they were very creative this era, I am happy that they tried something different. I am just really disappointed by momo's vocals.
Arfa Mo I wasn’t talking specifically about twice, and what I meant about being creative is making the performance interesting without hardcore dancing.
I don't mind idols not singing perfect, I would rather hear mild backing vocals with their raw singing than a perfect pre-recorded vocal performance. That's why I love 2NE1 and always has, because they focused on singing live and giving a raw performance. I don't mind a lot of playback either if the idols sing live as well with that, their effort is worth it even if they have help, but to completely lipsync, that is just not exciting, that's not why I watch them live, might as well watch their MV.
Right? I agree.. for me sometimes idols with lip syncing performance, it doesn't feel like a REAL LIVE PERFORMANCE anymore..unlike before. I get the hard choreos & stuff like that, but I think they should balance the elements between singing and dancing. I define a LIVE performance as a RAW performance, whether be it both dancing & singing. Just my opinion. If music shows will depend on lip syncing and more hard choreos, I bet it will affect future idols in the long run.
@@missykami Exactly, it's kind of removing a big part of that intimacy you feel when you see idols live, to not even hear their voice then and there takes away a lot of that experience. I'm a hardcore Once and even I was a little disappointed during More & More promotions, because no stage as I remember was live. When on the other hand my fav stages of them are where they sing live, and they don't sound perfect but to me very good. DTNA on MusicBank hits different than Mnet if you know what I mean. Yes it definitively sets a new standard, but I hope it will become more popular again to be more raw, we have already seen old trends come back so it probably will as times changes, just like with everything else.
@@themaraccas yeah, I mean, they're trained for years to become prepared & doing a live performance is something idol groups should be proud of. Labels/Companies should let them have their LIVE performance..not edited performance.
@@jbxbts8756 Yeah, we know that your best friend can be annoying but at least kill her during new year's eve so you can have meat at least for dinner for free
@@babegirlism it was working. He was able to do all the lines except the last few words? How does a mic mot work for those few words but every other word?
@@cloegutierrez8553 I am trying to stay safe but when most of the people don't, my effort doesn't matter at all. Plus, I have anxiety as I mentioned so I'm about to lose my mind soon. Just wear your damn mask and wash your hands it is not that hard ooff...
I see people arguing about lip-syncing in comments, usually started by a compliment on the vocals, someone saying it's all lip-sync, and then it breaks out from there. I think that people should stop blindly defending their idols, because not everything about them is the way you want it, but also realize that they're still talented nonetheless so stop shaming them for "not being able to even sing live."
Sunniva Leflair I don’t think Abby is saying that idols must sing 100% live at all times. She is just saying that fans should accept that their favorite groups do lipsync
Right? Blackpink literally using the same ass LMR live vocal in every Inkigayo stage (same with Music Core one) and it just prove by one channel, he even explain why and how. But most Blink just choose to attack him since they think “Blackpink never lip sync” and say Blackpink is perfect and this channel is a hater. Like 🤦♂️ I can’t handle these type of delulu fan...
@@sunnivaleflair3576 Oh of course, I think that that's impossible with the choreo and how tired they must be after having so many shows. Also, I don't think they do lip-sync all the time--they have parts where the playback is louder to help them (I'm pretty sure anyway lol)
tbh, idc if they lip-sync or not. it shouldn't matter, i already know they can sing well and it must be very hard to dance & sing while maintaining a good charisma / facial expression ik they train for that but it's probably still hard also abt the chain thing i get that! once i was watching a clc performance of devil and yujin was wearing chains and you could hear them clinking against each other and that's how i knew it was somewhat legit. the only time i have a problem with lip-syncing is when companies try to hide it or go out of their way to make it look live bc feel that's kinda shady
I clicked because of Wheein and saw the title. Then I immediately watch Hip MR Removed. I successfully have the knowledge to tell you after watching is that Wheein is literally stable lol and MMM.
when i saw bts at wembley last june i was really happy because there was barely any playback, for some of the more intense songs there was some really quiet but you could only just about hear it if they stopped singing. and for tear, the truth untold and others there was zero that i could hear. I was expecting this because bts are really good at singing live imo (not that i know loads abt singing so dont quote me!) but it was good to confirm it irl haha
Hope Auman yes!! british army :) it was so fun and their live vocals were amazing. i'll never forget it. esp the truth untold they sounded so beautiful
Yes! I went too and that's exactly what I felt too. Jimin especially was ill so his voice sounded a little different and I felt like you could 100% tell that he was singing live. They all did a great job, they sounded great but also definitely not studio level.
Naaatmaaan omg jimin was ill?! i didn't know! he did so great omg i couldn't even tell. but legit the live vocals were amazing and all the adlibs and harmonies they added
I remember when haters were hating on Baekhyun and accused him of lip syncing during their Superm tour in New York (I think??). And I’m like.... even if he was, y’all fail to acknowledge that Baekhyun is one of the best vocalists in kpop, he sings high notes in almost every song and dances at the same time, he has been in the kpop industry for like ten years now, almost never have I experienced Baekhyun lipsyncing, and especially the lines that Baekhyun gets as a main vocal, the fact that his throat is still intact is amazing. Give him some more credit like gosh and like Johnny said, do you rlly think he can do this EVERY performance EVERY tour all the time??
I was at that show (it was London) and I have no idea whether the first performance of I can’t stand the rain was lip synced or not, I wasn’t close enough to the stage to be able to hear his voice after the mics and music switched off. But the second performance of the song was so obviously live, when he finally got to those high notes you could easily see the straining in his neck, which were probably from exhaustion cause performing that song back to back was tiring and I was just watching 😂. And for the rest of the concert as well he had almost all the hard parts and difficult notes. He slayed it, and whether the first number (which is ridiculously hard to dance and sing at the same time cause falsetto needs a lot of breath support) was lip synced or not doesn’t matter to me cause it doesn’t stop him from being one of the best vocalists in the industry, and I understand he can’t do stuff like that literally every day for months.
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With how many shows artists have its impossible to sing every single time lol All the tours, special performances, set, costumes, choreo its impossible to sing everytime and not expect their vocal chords to suffer
I totally agree. It's what bts do as well. Especially the rappers. Except when it's a dance riff, or a dance solo. Which I think is fair, because the main focus is in the dancing. It's also true that stability doesn't equal good singing. I'm sure Whitney housten wouldn't have sung like she did while doing choreo either. But it is a skill. For instance, jungkook is very stable. Hence, he is usually center for the powerful chorus. Wheares someone like jimin is much less stable. Still a good singer. But much less stable. So be is less likely to sing while dancing hard.
Is there any proof that they do? They've constantly provide that they don't lip sync with yoongi proving it on stage. The vocal line (and rap line) are always playing with the vocals, you can hear the change when they adjust their mic and when they breathe, and especially the rappers changing their mic positions and movements. Im no musical expert but there are others who have explained this very well. Besides these, where there was proof of other idols lip-syncing (shown on an award show(?) line up) BTS was still written to be live singing. Genuine question because I really think they genuinely sing live
@@vantestars.v ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-MfIzzRSH5wE.html This is the kind of lipsyncing I mean. This stage is a dancer performance. Singing is secondary, clearly. So he lipsyncs. Or, at least, his actual singing is so turned down, you can't hear it. That's totally fine to me. As for award shows, and stuff, unless it's a dance riff, or there are vocal effects, or it's an intro, they sing live. I would say always, but I, unfortunaly, haven't seen all their award shows. Bts are amazing. I love a good live stage. I actually can't stand watching one if the vocals aren't live. And bts is one of the few groups who are so consistent with it. I can only name a few others who are (like, infinite, ateez)
12:40 Same thing with BTS' FAKE LOVE, they stopped doing the fake love chorus after the first few promotions because of how high and how hard it is to sing live.
I agree with everything you said! Especially about MR removed videos, it's so tricky to do them and people are often make idols sound better/worse than they really are
A lot of kpop stans use stability while dancing to measure idols' talent but this really doesn't make sense to me As a performer myself I know that even professionally trained performers on broadway and west end use playback so the ensemble sounds better, because we have to sing and dance at the same time. It's a lot easier for a big group to sing and dance at the same time and we still use extra help. In Heathers, for "candy store" there are 3 main singers on stage and each girl has 2 other people singing with her back stage. In Phantom of the Opera, half of the main song isn't even performed live and Christine's final note is lip synced in every single show.
I think in kpop singing isn’t even that needed anymore, like I feel like each group will have one member that does the high notes and then everyone else just sings in a normal pitch. Like I feel like idols are scared of not dancing right and being called out for it by saying like “wow he/she can’t dance, he/she prolly got picked Cos of looks,” so I feel like they don’t try to sing live Cos they know they are safe will the playback, of they can dance then u have a chance to shine in kpop, singing is just moving ur lips to the lyrics now
honestly i dont really care whether or not they lipsync on music shows or not, i'd obviously prefer it if they didnt but its not a big deal to me as long as they actually sing most parts when i go to their concert, which i think thankfully most people do.
Yeah I totally agree. I only care if they’re lip syncing when I’m actually paying to see/hear them sing. Like I want to get what I paid for whereas music shows are more for promoting the song and getting more people to be aware of it, so the company and idols want people to hear the best version possible and therefore might lip sync.
I think it also has something with health because they sing so much they're performers if they sing too much it also isnt healthy for their vocal chords especially if theyre constantly on the go with no sleep etc Although thats not really the reason i think its just part of it, either way lip syncing on stage is completely normal in the music industry this is just my opinion i sing as well so thats just my guess
The only times i get idk uncomfortable when idols lipsync, is when they dont even try to pretend they are singing, for example their mouth dont match the words, or when they barely open their mouth, it just looks weird sometimes However i personally don't care if they dont always sing live, I think idols are more than just singers They are entreteiners, dancers, singers, they put up an amazing show and i always enjoy it
I have so much respect for MAMAMOO for singing live and singer-songwriter type of artists. Talent and vocal training should not be taken lightly and the ability and write and take part in song production. For others who are saying they are okay if idols lip sync, it's because they are idols, it's for your eyes only imo. If they lipsync the whole song all the time, shouldn't they just be called dancers/dancing machines? There are artist and group of artists who are very stable in singing and dancing at the same time (probably not the craziest choreography) and that only means they care about singing and doing it live because of their love for their own music.
13:43 FACTS! an idol i would use as an example is Lia of ITZY, everyone thought she couldn’t sing and was the weakest main vocalist ever. But then that price tag cover happened and boom, ppl were like “wait she can actually sing”.... She got alot of hate for not being as stable as other main vocals but nobody really realizes how hard itzy songs + the choreo’s are
I like singing sometimes. But occasionally I send covers to friends. I can't edit anything, so whatever I send is my raw voice. B4 I use to get stressed and discouraged but now I realized it doesn't have to be perfect.
I care a lot about vocals, that’s why i love *SM entertainment* & my fav gg is *Red Velvet* ,they definitely have beautiful vocals & the best female singer of their generation a.k.a *Wendy.* stan *RV for original vocals.*
when stans say their fav is amazing at singing cause they strain a high note... If only most kpop fans actually understood how music/singing/rapping/dancing works
It would be cool if K-Pop Idols did what DREAMCATCHER does where they record themselves completely raw and sitting down. I would love to hear more idols do that then having their voice tinkered with.
They also sing live a lot. In most DC performances the choreo is intense so they sing what they can, which I think is better than heavy editing. And then theres breaks from the choreo to give them a chance to breathe like in BOCA. And they openly discuss it too, like Dami talking about how Black or White was hard because of the choreo and her long rap combined. And I remember Sua once said that they were professionals and thats why they sing live with a backing track. They only fully lipsync at maybe the first promotion of a song.
@@dreamywhales I know. I’m more saying that I wish that idols have raw singing videos like Dreamcatcher does without the dancing. Sadly 99% of the live singing is usually tinkered with in the live comeback stages which isn’t the groups fault. It doesn’t mean that they don’t sing live but they just have their voices processed like Dreamcatcher to bigger groups like BTS. However, usually you do need to have some experience in singing to have your vocals processed without it sounding off unless the producer is top tier
I don’t see anyone talking about Stray Kids so like.. From what I’ve seen in God’s Menu era, they’ve been singing live for most of the stages and it even sounds exactly like the original song!! It’s shocking how they can sing live so well while dancing. There’s so many other groups too who can then and it’s so surprising
i kept thinking about this too lately when i watched twice’s more & more live performances i thought the same but i didn’t want to say anything to offend anyone, the choreography is *difficult* so i completely understand why they (and other idols) would lip sync
thanks for clarifying this because when things are clearly lip synced, people praise them but the idea of telling a devoted kpop stan that they're wrong is terrifying to me
I totally agree with you and I think alot more people are catching on and I'm not shaming the idols like when I watch my favorite group and people are omg this is amazing live performance I'm like did u see what I sa bc that looks like lip synching but yeah great video💜
thank you so much for making this video!!! i hope many k-pop fans see it and understand. i'm seriously getting tired of having the same ridiculous arguments in comment sections under "live" videos and people calling me an "anti" for stating facts.
I don't know if you'll see this, but another example of a good playback track to fool you is BLACKPINK's HYLT. Their Inkigayo Stages were the exact same track on each day, and even Show! Music Core. Which is known for live singing. Yet It sounds so live.
Good Video. One other way to tell if it is indeed live is if they sound better than the studio version because just as much as tuning and editing in the studio can help with the vocals it can also take away the raw quality of it, which is why when certain groups or even soloist perform live I like it better than the studio version. Some examples of artists sounding better live are: EXO (Especially in their concerts or on the spot) BTOB (Acappella is their strength) Hyolyn, Jessi, Ailee, Taeyeon, Luna Basically SM artists
this is such a good video! I always thought it was obvious that anything that goes on TV or sold on a DVD/bluray is going to be edited... just because they're holding a mic and singing doesn't mean that the singing wasn't edited before the episode was aired... or those "live singing" videos where they're in a recording studio in front of a mic. again, it's a RECORDING STUDIO, of course the vocals will be edited?? that's the whole point of recording in a studio?? I honestly find the obsession with live singing really tiring, I don't care if they lip sync or use backing vocals because they're DANCING, it's obviously not gonna sound as polished as the studio recording! obviously it's impressive when your faves sound good while they dance, but especially since kpop choreography has become more and more challenging over the past 8~10 years, it's going to get harder to sound good live when the choreo is so physically challenging. and just a random thought: I think the evolution of music show live singing is especially interesting when you watch 2nd gen groups around their debut vs recent comebacks - you hear a lot less of their live vocals now, like they're more muffled sounding or you don't hear them at all. even though you know they can sing well...
ok wait johnny can you react on pentagon vocals tho? because i am really CONVINCED that they’re really good and i didn’t see any pentagon covers coming from you so i would be excited for that! try listening to jinho’s magazine ho or watch road to kingdom basquiat where hui pull off a high note with 6 different notes! a reaction from you would be nice. thank you 💜
I think netizens have contributed a lot to the push for more lipsyncing. Idols are scared to be bashed for unstable vocals when they're literally doing complex choreography while singing challenging songs. I think lipsyncing and backing vocals are fine, as long as it's used in moderation. For example, concerts aren't really a good place to use a lot of lipsyncing. But if you think how much these idols are doing at concerts, yeah they'll need to lipsync a bit. It's exhausting and rough on your voice. As far as music shows, I think it's finding which shows don't use it as much as others. I feel it's been a lot less prevalent lately on music shows since there isn't really an audience.
If there's a reason like hard choreo or injury/illness for me that's making loud backing vocals or dubbing over it ok and understandably nessesary. Since kpop nearly always is also a very visual performance that makes the appeal. With very hard dancing performances like for example AleXa's last single it is just simply too hard to sing. However if it's a slow song or just a ballad without dancing I expect them to sing live and I must honestly say that I want to see and hear it live when I watch it (hopefully at a concert some day) and kpop idols should train on treadmills while singing and stuff. Since in kpop dancing is essential for most performances u should train to be able to sing and dance life. For this reason I highly respect Mamamoo and BTS since one can see how hard they train and how serious a real live experience for the fans and their own performance is for them. It just makes watching and listening to them so much fore engaging, fascinating and their confidence in their abilities shows so much on stage. When I compare their stage presence to most others it's nearly no competition. So I really liked your overall take on it and your opinion showed me things I didn't know before. Thank u
THANK YOU for saying this because I'm tired of people putting ANY clip of their faves on stage and saying "yess they can sing!! that's what you call live vocals!!" when it's clearly edited like ??? that's why I only trust just in those videos kinda vlogs when they randomly sing or when they don't have a mic lol
Watching ex-idols on youtube explain live shows is interesting. For some parts the playback is quieter, for some members it’s louder (mostly for main dancers if I remember correctly), sometimes it’s just the instrumentals + unedited vocals which they actually sing live on that day but in a studio (or what johnny explained in 6:00 ish) it p much depends on the artist’s company and/or the show they’re on. sometimes in the actual tv broadcast they actually sing live (or with little playback), sometimes in youtube videos they dub in the unedited studio recording over a quiet playback.
Speaking of the whole chains thing, even in this video nu'est weren't wearing much jewellery but you can still hear some klinking through the mics. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-eVUrZl11XoU.html Honestly nu'est probably had one of the best debuts and really good vocals. You can see how the volume of the voices change esp when minhyuns dancing he seems quiter but on the 'click the like it' part he's louder (since he's not moving around and can put more energy on his last part of the line) Idk I'm not a music expert in any way, shape or form and it may be a little biased since I'm a fan of them but the debut era really showcased their talents (sad that it didn't last long and took a while for them to regain fame)
thank you for making this video, it really grinds my gears when I see people showing off their favs' vocals but they use a clip when the singing is not live/heavily autotuned
I’m finally early and they do lip sing but sometimes they don’t they have a very little background of the music and take breaks when they are singing to prove they are not lip singing but a lot of them do not hating on your opinion at all but they do both cause taking big breaths beetween singing lyrics is not something they can do
