I’ve heard this 80-20 rule so many times, and it just shouldn’t be a necessary practice anymore with all the safeguards in play. But if you do follow the 80-20 rule, you are limiting yourself to only use 60% of the battery. While I think this would be fine for most phones, the Quest 2 is a gaming headset and you’d be lucky to get more than an hour of usage if you follow this.
Turning the headset off when not using it should be enough to prevent this, I've left my headset on charge upwards of two weeks non stop and never got the melting problem.
Lol I always have it plugged in and "charging" and it has a few safety features... It never gets above like 70 or 80 % when I'm playing it while plugged in. I literally have it plugged in all the time either with a battery pack or just plugged into one of the 65 watt GaN chargers I have plugged in all the time... But in reality the 20/80 rule is more for keeping the battery at it's best "health" and not so much for safety... It's a physics problem... Li-ion batteries have a life cycle just like the old Ni-Cad batteries but it's not as noticeable or as fast of a decline of the health of the battery... And the chemicals that are used "prefer" the 20/80 rule. Just like NI-MH batteries have a different ratio for best health Edit: fixed the comparison of the memory effect of the Ni-Cad batteries. Cause technically there are no memory effects...
@@Martronic Right, basically was saying don’t follow the 80-20 rule cause it’s dumb to limit yourself to only using half your battery. Not concerned over my headset melting from charging. Although the amount of people having that issue would suggest the limit is not properly set to cut current when the battery is fully charged. I am fully aware how batteries work and that the 80-20 rule is for preserving battery longevity. But Li-Ion batteries don’t really undergo the memory effect. Hence I say no point in following the 80-20 rule.
Yeah, absolutely: There shouldn't be any form of "system" that "scans/detects possible griefers" that's genuinely concerning. There could be so many situations where something could be taken out of context and even worse just straight up wrongful bans. This is something that cannot happen, it is up to the players themselves to report someone and as long as we don't have efficient enough AI to really understand if a report was rightful or not, there's no way that this should go through.
A "System that scans/detects possible griefers" is literally just a big way of saying "Anticheat." Anticheats are fine, but if the anticheat is being advertised like some freaking radar scanner that will throw a banhammer at anyone who accidentally waves their hands a bit too fast, yeah it can be a little unnerving
You don’t have to worry about charging your quest. The quest has an on board bms or unabbreviated a battery management system. It makes sure the battery isn’t overcharged or undercharged. And protects it against over voltage and basically everything to do with charging. If you are storing it for long amounts of time I do recommend storing it at around a quarter charge. The reason the ports are breaking are probably from incorrect connections of the charger. When chargers aren’t connecting properly and the pins aren’t completely connected it increases the impedance of the charge and creates heat and can make the charger melt along with the high wattage chargers everyone uses now. Hope this helped someone out there or answered some questions.
Nothing wrong with your post. I agree with what you said. I just got a oculus quest 2 for Christmas. I had the VR PlayStation 4. This new device is really cool. I will be using it for games. No Facebook. Ignore the haters. :)
electronics engineer here: the melted port has nothing to do with the battery or charging system/protections ( if it were, the battery would explode :) and these protections are as simple as they are effective, as long as the battery has enough wiggle room to slightly change size as it heats during normal use and charging _ which it does as can be seen in teardowns of the quest 2 ). The problem here is poor contact bewteen the charging cable and charging connector inside the headset resulting in higher than normal resistance to the passage of the charging current. As the heat byproduct of the flow of current is directly proportional to the resistance, this can quickly become a problem even with the stock charger that can and will deliver 2 Amps if required by the device. A resistance as small as 250 milli ohms would produce Pdissipated= 2 amps squared times 0,250 ohms = 1W of heat, which is already plenty hot to burn yourself if you were to remove the connector and holding it between your fingers. If a bit more reistance, then... yeah it melts. I think it is not really a faulty design, but the use people,make,of the headset whilst plugged, moving around and ruining the contact overtime. Even ABS would melt quite readily at something like a 2W heatloss nearby... they should buy the top of the range connectors, gold plated and as thick as possible to have a snug fit even after some wear and tear. So: it is not a matter of letting it charge or not ( even though what you said about battery life is somewhat true ), it is a matter of how well it is plugged and how worr down is the contact. If you feel it is hot at the connection point try using a new cable and try to make it snug... or as for a repair ( replacement of the internal isb connector and replacement of the cable). Cheers people, i hope this will help you be safe and enjoy vr for long :)
Ah this answer goes far. I was just about to connect in that direction. My question is, won't the BMS cut the battery out when it no longer takes in current (when it's full)? Was wondering how can you overcharge a device which has battery management in it? Or does it have?
@@OH8EFI most LiPo battery vendors will add safeties to their battery pouch/pack. These measure voltage and make sure it never goes higher or lower than the safe voltage spec, making sure deep discharge and overcharging never occur by cutting the line with a mosfet. If there is none, the manufacturer must include such a device in their product to meet most countries safety standards. Usually, when a battery fails, it is either due to a bad production batch or because the battery is held too tight in its enclosure and ruptures because of overpressure when heated ( happen to a certain infamous samsung galaxy and iphone ). A BMS is quite often used in high end devices where the battery is under high stress, used a lot, and they want to make sure it gets the best possible charge method at all time and monitoring it in the longrun to adapt its voltage span accordingly. I believe the oculus would have one of these, idk
Omg finally someone said it! I don’t know what ppl have in them minds, hundreds of smart engineers work to design this product and sell it to regular humans which are 70% dumb as funk! And the only option (by dumb users) who fuck up for burned port is smart engineer?!
Me: Seventy years old, never played a video game in my life, and getting a Quest 2 for all the other things it can do. Love your videos and bingeing prior to purchase. Thank you!
I just upgraded my quest 2 headstrap. After a year of fighting with the included crappy headstrap being either too loose or too tight and ruining my vr experiences, I almost made the mistake of buying the elite strap. But then I found the bobovr m2, ordered it, and oh boy is it comfortable. At first it was pretty complicated to adjust it to fit my head, but when its adjusted properly, its so comfortable I dont even notice it being on my head.
As an Oculus newbie, your videos have been a godsend! Since I'm blind as a freaking bat (and luckily haven't scratched my lenses), I'll be checking out vr-wave for custom lenses. Regarding the charging issue, I use an Anker charger for my setup. So far, the overcharging issue hasn't happened (I'd be pissed if it did). The charging adapter piece that connects to the headset is pretty secure and I'd hate if an overcharge/melting issue happened. Has anyone experienced the melting issue with the Anker charger?
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the melting charging port is absolutely a failure of battery/charging failsafes.. The Quest 2 has an overvolt/surge protection built into the battery system and when that system detects trouble it should shut down that port and prevent any voltage from entering the battery and preventing damage. The battery should also have an auto discharge to prevent overcharging, when the battery is full and still connected to a charger the battery should bleed off a bit of charge to prevent damage from overcharging, Also where the charge is coming from (wall charger etc) should have it's own over voltage protection. the chances of these things melting should be very slim ( mean we're dealing with only 5volts/2-3amps max) a lot of failures should have to happen for it to damage the machine ... yet here we are.
I just leave mine on the charger when not using it, so it's always full when I do. Haven't had a problem yet after nearly a year (and my Quest 1 never did, either).
I think people broke their quest 2 because using unsafe chargers, and tbh knowing kids or teens probably they use some charger more powerful then needed, and if in their chargers there aren't a safety to downgrade the voltage when charging things of course the port of their device will melt
My friend nuked his battery on his headset by not using an oculus supported cable, just has a red flashing light now. Ive avoided doing that and for the year ive owned it its worked just fine.
@@AlexIndiex I have designed Li-Ion charging circuits, and using more powerful "charger" should never be a problem, EVER. Modern Li-ion chargers inside the device never connect the input voltage directly, that would make something explode. It is always through a transistor(MOSFET), and the current is carefully controlled. What you connect to the headset is not a charger, it is a power supply. The charger IC is inside the Quest, and that is solely responsible for the health of the battery. If the power supply gives higher voltages that the Quest can tolerate it should do an over-voltage shutoff. When the battery is full, it should shut off. If the battery is too hot it should shut off.
i've noticed the included cable for charging has unequal length usb c plug ends, the difference is noticeable. i use the longer end to plug into the quest and the shorter to the charging brick. maybe that could be part of the problem with the melting charging port.
I have several different brands of lenses for my quest 2, I prefer the Reloptix to the VR Wave though, not only because they are more comfy if you have a narrow IPD, but you dont have to pay the "blind tax"
One big thing about the head strap I think could be a problem is just placement. The sun can degrade plastic and make it hard and brittle, and takes away all other strength of the material. I learned about this as a craftsman, and it’s why plastic lawn ornaments will crack from nothing but sunlight.
I think part of the melting charging port issue is because almost NO ONE actually uses ANY sort of strain relief on their charging cables, and eventually the internal joints start to loosen and crack, increasing resistance and until they get hot as hell.
@@AnubisFenrir I think they mean like physical bending and repeatedly creasing the charge cable right where the cable meets the connector. Older apple cables were notorious for this and would either burn or just stop working when the repeated bending broke the copper inside near the connector housing. Tbh the Q2 cable is constructed very similarly so it's probably history repeating itself
I've had my quest 2 since release. I'm rarely home so I've always left it plugged in. I probably play it 2 hours a week. So I think it's a few headsets might just be faulty from the factory.
It is supposed to be like your cell phone and stop charging when the battery is full, leaving it plugged in should do nothing more than make sure the battery is topped off. If the it was "over charging" your batteries would be the things heating up and combusting, not the charge port. Likely the melting around the charge port is from using it plugged in and the end of the cable and connector heating up most likely due to it not being able to handle the amperage being pulled by the Quest in full heavy use... Also, you have to take breaks, I use it plugged in most of the time and don't have over heating but I can feel the whole thing warm up quite a bit after an hour or so of useage...so... monitor your device while in use, highly doubtful it'll melt while powered off and plugged in...
I also play with my headset plugged some times for a long time and have not had this happened. I don’t even understand how some these headsets seem so burnt like a fire.
for the elite strap issue I have noticed alot of folks grabbing and carrying the strap+headset by the side straps during transport (picking up, putting down, etc). the safest place to pick up the device with installed elite strap is to collapse the strap via dial then pick up by the top fabric black strap. this places little to no tension on the side plastic white straps and will prevent/prolong your elite strap
Good video. Regarding the batteries, I feel that we are still echoing some ideas about batteries that come from the time when lead acid batteries and passive charging methods were a thing. Any device with a lithium battery has some form of charging IC on the device that takes care of delivering the right current to the battery during the charging process while watching the voltage; overvoltage in lithium batteroesy cause quite a catastrophic failure. What we've seen with Quest ports melting isn't that extreme. I bet it is a combination of a damaged connector making poor contact combined with a long period of charging, potentially with the Quest on drawing power as if someone was using the device (eg the distance detector thought someone was wearing the headset).
The psvr2 seems good so far but I don’t like the idea of players being tracked like that and then shadow banned over something that they did or said. Obviously we should have systems in place for reporting harassment but the important thing about those is that it’s players who report them not some system tracking speech and hand gestures.
You’re probably already using it, but this one is for others as well. You can use Air Link on the Quest 2. All you need to do is go to settings>Experimental features>Air Link This might not work as expected, but it is still one way of wireless pc connection without getting strangled by cables, if you have a strong and close wifi and bluetooth connection with your pc/laptop.
The main issue is the fact that the charge is already pure trash, and now it’s even worse if you wanna care for the battery since you gotta stay above 20% to have the battery stay well. On top of this the charging is actually too fast, I’m always the person to play games later in the day, and always charge my products overnight, and now I gotta constantly monitor the charging state of my oculus to make sure it isn’t overcharging. Wish they just added more safety for the battery and more battery itself, even if it would’ve made the oculus slightly heavier.
I've been a gamer since Zork, and MUDS, the early 80's, just text games mostly, before graphics really. No disrespect but we leaned our way from place to place let alone game mechanics from trial and error and using our imagination. Born in 71 at 12 years old using modems to connect to other peoples computers was huge then, before the net was granted to civilians, and the rising of it in the 90's. What I would like to say is your right, completely! We should be free and have privacy to will and control our own lives. We should hold these corporations to the flame to serve humanity, and never bend to them, the unelected!
I doubt the gesture shadow ban thing will be permanent and for all users. I think it’s smart and it’s probably only going to be applied to accounts under a certain age and people who select it. As someone who gets a lot of hate speech in almost every game I play I think it’ll be useful for more sensitive or younger players.
@@SiFi_865WON the quest should turn off it’s charging ports at a certain point to avoid this… a simple charger doesn’t have the responsibility of that….the electronic device does
I leave mine plugged in for weeks at a time, and it's never even gotten warm. Every rechargeable device with any kind of engineering behind it has circuitry built in to limit charge current, prevent overcharging, etc. My guess is that the melted ones were either not plugged in fully, or were yanked out repeatedly and damaged the plug or the socket.
as an eye glass user i wanna point out that EYE GLASSES LITERALLY COST ALMOST OR EVEN MORE THAN A QUEST 2 and this is happening because there is a monopoly on fking eye glasses cus why not make it hard for people with poor vision to see well and also when youre a kid you grow a lot so you need new glasses like every year and the most mind boggling thing for me is that only this year i found out that the more expensive part is the actual frame even though the lens would make so much more sense to cost more money to make this is pretty similar to the printer ink cartridge being in some cases as expensive as the printer
I personally think the eye tracking, if used right, would enable micro-movements on the screen, which would add to how natural it feels (especially with a high resolution HDR display), and not just the more accurately focused rendering. And I pray to god the PSVR2 will have a headphone jack, or at least audio that isn't as atrocious as the Quest 2's
@@porkupineexe6862 Yeah, I know. Considering even a 15 usd set of earbuds sounds better than the built in speakers, I'm rather thankful for it. It's more a combination of dreading Sony's love of propietary stuff, and hoping the built in don't suck
@@Katoptrys fair, though if you want to get really funky with it you can alway plug the headset straight in to the ps5. Afaik it supports most usb headsets (i.e. the razer kraken series). When I’m playing seated experiences at my desk that’s what I do with my PC.
@@porkupineexe6862 I mean I'd buy a speaker setup rather than a "gaming" headset, especially if it's for use with a PS5. I use IEMs/earbuds when I'm doing standing up VR, and headphones when I'm either using a seated experience or a regular flatscreen game
i think its ridiculous that I'm expected to sit around and babysit any lithium batteries I'm charging so I can see when it reaches completion. I have other things that need attention and its 2022, I'm sure they can come up with something to keep your charging batteries safer, removing the potential for human error caused tragedy.
And also I don’t think this is because of overcharging. My headset had completely died and just after a few minutes of charging, I noticed my charger had completely melted into my headset.
Port melting is most likely caused by worn out usb-c connectors. It's pretty easy to damage the port if you use a link cable without any kind of cable management.
I accedently left my headset with the cable in it for the whole summer, and no damage has happend to my headset? Idk if i'm lucky or what it is, but for long periods of time my headset is just chargin with a more powerfull Watt than it should be
@@sosig2248 Oh, you can turn on the headset by pressing the power button once and it should come up during charging, or, on your right controller, press the oculus button during it is on, go to the far left, press the button and it should say it on the top left of the menu
6:14 That’s what I do all the time with my elite strap. It still broke, but it probably wasn’t my fault because the same night that my friend told me that elite straps break easily, it magically broke while I was in the bathroom. And guess who had it: my friend.
The charging port issue is likely more of a problem with the soldering on the port connection being poor quality and melting. Once the solder melts it starts arcing across the gap that has been created causing a much higher amperage draw which creates even more heat and melting the plastic.
Why the fuck didn't the quest 2 elite strap come with a spring system like every other headset strap (like the fucking quest 1). God damn it meta. You got it right the first time.
Does VRWave offer non prescription lenses as well? If you just want to protect your lenses and don't yet need prescription eyewear what are the best choices out there?
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having played with a psvr for two years, this new psvr is a huge improvement. I respect the effort put into this, but shadow ban? seriously, I hope there's an option to turn shadow banning others off, or a way to loosen the security restrictions by a lot. Having just got a quest 2, I can see how I'm not getting this psvr as its not wireless, and the quest 2 has more game options, this my opinion, I think the quest 2 can beat the psvr2 in this battle.
I haven't used My psvr in years, I got it at launch but shifted over to the the oculus standalone headsets for their convenience and increased resolution, I'm praying that the PSVR2 prompts Microsoft to support VR on the Xbox Series consoles though.
one time my link cable wasnt charging my headset so i found a random trashy cord and uh tried to charge my headset and melted the charging port off and now i just have a hole in my headset
As far as the wires I love the the quest 2 wireless but psvr2 will have the amazing adaptive triggers and haptics in the headset to greatly increase immersion. I'd rather play games on par with god of war and unchartered rather than what is offered on wireless. But I'll use both. Especially games like beatsaber that I can't imagine playing tethered. Different headsets in my toolbox.
How can you be sure about how good the haptics in the headset will be before it's released. The triggers we can guess will be as good as what they do on the ps5 controllers but it's really up to game devs to utilize the features. Probably only exclusives would make any real use of them and I don't think exclusives are a good thing when it comes to VR.
@@MartinBlyberg I'm very confident in playstation and their history. I agree with you as well some 3rd party games will not utilize them enough. But enough will to make vr gaming immersion revolutionary. I'm a haptics type of guy and I find the immersion in flat gaming increases greatly with the new haptics.
@@rickaron7593 Yes but you are saying that the haptics in the headset will be good before even trying it. We know nothing about how it will actually feel while gaming or how good it will work based on the fact that you have squishy materials inbetween the headset and you.
@@MartinBlyberg admittedly I could be wrong. I rarely come to conclusions without buying or trying the product or watching reviews. Your thinking Is very rational. I for example would pre order a meta headset Or a ps vr headset without reviews. Many people have been burnt by doing that with other companies. It's not logic in my thinking but faith. Your thinking has more logic than mine. But I'm basing my thinking on past experiences with certain companies including sony. Again I have faith that the haptics will be intergrated properly. If I'm wrong than I'll slap myself silly. To give you an idea how long sony has worked with vr, years ago before 2016 during the ps3 days, sony slapped together an experimental vr headset using duck tape! Dam I should have kept that gaming magazine with that article.That's when I started dreaming about a sony vr headset.
I spontaneous think the tracking is a good idea, because what if someone is going full sweat on a game, and they make the wrong move and they get banned because PS VR thinks they are being inappropriate?
My elite strap has recently broke, but I found a good fix is some good ol' superglue and electrical tape. Also, by the looks of it, the damage caused by charging might not be due to the battery considering it is right at the port. It could possibly be a flaw with the port its self or the charging circuit right behind said port
What I find difficult to understand, is the need to wear my corrective lenses while looking at a screen directly in front of my eyes. Does the VR trick the brain so much that it makes it think your eyes can't see objects that far away?
So just to throw in as a quest owner. I’ve had both quest and quest 2 for a long time (the 2 since basically it released) and this is the first time I’ve heard of the of the charging port thing ever. I leave my quest 2 attached to the charger whenever I’m literally not using it which at some points have been for weeks at a time with no issues whatsoever. Kinda makes me think that some type of user error might be going on there (maybe cord damaging or 3rd party or playing while charging?)
I really try my best to not leave the headset while.it’s charging, and to unplug even before it hits 100. But some nights I pass out and wake up freaking out hoping I didn’t fuck it up
VRWave lenses were a game changer for me! I was barely able to play for over a year because I was too broke and stubborn to get the lenses and too blind to make do. I know there’s no need to hype a sponsor, but I can’t say enough good things about them. The ONLY bad thing is they lenses took an agar to arrive.
For most battery's 40 - 80 when in use and just above 50 when stored prevents stress and the battery getting damaged. Also unplugging battery's seems to prevent damage but I can see the problem with this for the Quest and newer hardware.
Soo, I work a lot with batteries as they're part of my many hobbies, and I'm an electronics engineering student. Here are my two cents on the situation. Excuse any typos but I broke my right hand so I'm typing with my left hand only lol The dude you mentioned in the video is absolutely correct, li-ion batteries are happiest when working between 20-80%. BUT that doesn't mean that it's dangerous to get them to 100%. The battery stops "accepting" current once the voltage of the charger is equal to the voltage of the battery, as charging works a bit like siphoning water from a bucket to another: once the two buckets have water at the same level, it stops flowing! So, the charger supplies 4.2V to the battery (a bit lower when it's discharged, to limit the current), when the battery reaches 4.2V (which is 100% for single cell li-ion batteries) it stops charging. At this point, a good battery charging circuit completely disconnects the battery from the cable, only topping it up if it notices that it discharged a bit. Keeping a device plugged in should NOT damage anything. A battery sitting at 100% for a while does degrade, meaning that its capacity lowers over time. This is the only symptom, though! It does not heat up, the only thing you should notice if you constantly keep your quest2 plugged in while not using it is less play time after a few months. Let's get back to the "a good battery charging circuit does []". As I said, it should do the same thing as you removing the cable and reconnecting it for a few seconds every few minutes to keep it topped up. This one clearly isn't a good battery charging circuit. What I guess it's doing is constantly trying to convert the 5V from the charger to 4.2V and trying to feed it to the battery, failing to do so (as the battery is already at 4.2, and won't accept any current), and wasting energy in the process. After a while, it heats up so much to melt the plastic. This last part is speculation, but to me it sounds like a plausible explanation. The battery certainly doesn't have anything to do with it, as once it's charged it just stops!
A little late to the party, but I can explain the melted port fairly simply. If the USB port becomes damaged and possibly pulled out of place slightly, this could cause an electrical phenomenon called "Arcing". When arching, it will shoot out little blue/orange sparks, which is bad news brown. The reason for arching is because even though a connection is made, if the USB port is out of alignment, electricity will essentially try to jump to where it's trying to charge. These sparks can and will melt plastic, along with far worse. What's more, arching could happen straight out of the box due to a manufacturing defect. The reason it's so rare, is that in order for Arcing to occur, the USB port must be misaligned just enough not to make the full connection, but just enough that the headset is receiving a charge. It really is a unicorn, as the chances of achieving the sweet spot for Arcing on any device is so, so slim. This is theory, but a likely one given the low rate at which this is happening out of the millions of units sold.
Another thing with the elite strap which is how mine broken which i have seen no one mention is that leaving the headstrap tilted up puts inward strain on it as when you tilt it up the ends push in and are not perpendicular like you eould think i left mine like this over night one day by mistake and woke up to it broken
Whenever you use the elite strap dont use the tightener to tighten it onto your head instead just push it and only twist the wheel if you need to remove the headset this method i have found stops unevenness and most problems and i have broke one but using this method my new one is in perfect condiion
Why wouldn't the Quest 2 just stop pulling power once charged. I always charge it overnight. No problems so far. The headset is ice cold in the morning so no over heating for me.
I always have my headset on charge while using it, but because i use pc vr, i cant see the persentige of the headset battery, so i never know if its fully charged or not :/ They really needa add a persentage on the pcvr dashboard
Well my guy, a dystopian future awaits us... we are in a surveillance capitalist state in humanity.. I mean Playstation just censored Martha is Dead... a horror game thats rated M for adults.
Ha ha ha…I know your video is old now but my Quest 2 just had the meltdown…unbelieveable. I reported it…wondering if they can help me. Maybe I should give up and just buy the newer Q3.
