Do or Don't: The Horus Heresy 

isn't that background music from that pixel gladiator game

Magnus did so many things wrong but Daddy "Don't worry boys I'm just going home because no reason" Emperor is free of sin. The Imperial Creed said so!

Magnus in lore: "I fucked up so bad, I'll let Leman Russ kill everyone on Prospero to repent for what I have done...." Fandom: "GUYS MAGNUS NEVER EVER-"

Yo man my question is why you looking at fem russ lmao, not that I'm judging just.... *curious*

69 k milestone

The first thing I did when I saw those prices was decide to learn how to use Blender to make my own bootleg army and take commissions to fund the printer and paint. Life kinda put that dream on hold for me, but I can't be the only one inspired to pick up 3D modeling.

@@CMElliotte I personally don't care much (right now at least) for the modeling side of things, but printing things out is certainly worth it.

@@CMElliotte normal Warhammer prices range from fair to acceptable if a bit pushing it. But those prices honestly piss me off a bit. While I wouldn’t take up fully 3D modelling, combination of kitbashing, 3D model files, modifying said files slightly combine together to cover most things if not all

I mean, they are a forgeworld specialist game brand game. Absurdly prohibitively expensive is the order of the day for their resin mortgages.

or pay literally 1/3rd the price and buy the exact same model from a recaster

Russ makes a phoneprank befor destroying Prospero

I mean...yeah, what kind of question is that Majorkill!? They already seriously didn't like each other!

It would legitimately help the Horus Heresy setting if GW backed wayyyy off with space marines in the 40k setting. If space marines were weird, hyper-violent, mutant space monks that were as terrifying as they were rare, then a setting of them in their pre-devolved glory would actually be kind of fun.

@@onua2012sga Yeah I don't want to rant about predominance of space marines, both loyalist and to a lesser extent chaos, in 40k. I'll really say I wish it was less pronounced, like how stormcast are in AoS. For chaos side I'll really just say I wish they were more focused on using traitor guard, cultists, and daemons. Alot of CSM are freaking horus heresy veterans. Dudes who fought in the most iconic war of the setting, and decided they wanted to throw hands for another 10,000 years. They would work best imo as elites, as opposed to the pure focus of the factions they are in.

No, you forgot the custodes you know the super space marines (I play custodes I mean this as a joke don’t take offence)

I'm not sure how you can complain that the space marine civil war is full of space marines...

@@jackftww1 It was made to be so in the 2000s with HH. Once an age of myth, turned into a dull charade of buff burly angry men and their buff burly angry sons duking it out because one of them got stabbed by a funny dagger

Jaghatai Khan being cooler than everyone else once again

Jaghatai:"I don't give a shit." Imperial commander:"But..." Jaghatai:"not a single shit." Or something like that i think.

What did he do to the ships?

@@lordofchangelulz6645 probably made the mechanicus strap more engines to make it go fast

“Look at you, trying to save your sons. What a weirdo you are.” Jaghatai’s roast falls apart when you look at the actual context behind the “strange things to your sons” line comes in.

breaking news: local adult has a mental breakdown because of a pointy helmet

@@SamueL-td7fb I mean. I'd be annoyed if my ww2 game had a modern army uniform back in 1939. Cause camo wasn't all that used at this point, and most were not using it at all. Sticking to the era's aestics is fairly important to games. And can take your enjoyment down a few levels. Prolly not worth getting mad over, but also might not be something you choose to put yourself through either. Might be better to just find another person that cares about it as much as you do.

Generally the most common opinion I see about armour is that you use what you want (even mixing different armour in a squad) as long as you don’t bring your primaries, and depending on the player mkvii might be fine. And for legions scheme as long as you paint them in a colour somewhat close it fine. But there is definitely a problem with gatekeepers in the community which is kind of sad.

I’ll get to them. I’m debating when I’ll do it though because honestly, chaos is my least favorite faction to cover but at the same time if I put it off A: it’s just gonna be Chaos over and over and that might get boring and B: I’ll hate myself for it. But I will cover them fear not.

Xenos were playable in HH from the outset because at the time Heresy was first released it and 40K were using the same rules system, heck you could still play xenos in heresy so long as you used a 3rd to 7th edition codex for them.

I think you need to revisit your knowledge of the US War of Independence. Most sources agree that the fledgling US would have certainly lost and lost quite early during the war.

@@SpaceShipDee he said the american civil war as in the one vs the confederacy also doubtful the ships and guns were useful but I doubt the british would have wanted to send bigger invasion fleets if the french and spanish didn't join it

He would just get destroyed by a few lasgun shots.

Genuinely asking. Why is it a bad model? I've been eyeing it up.

@@Spidehman incompatible with the resin one and has bad options

@@shuwan4games Gotcha. Yeah, that does sound below-average.

True you’d be happy but the odds are you’ll either die at birth, get killed by another Ork or Warboss die in attack or if you don’t die get castrated and shoved in a tin can. Their happy sure but 99.999% of the time it is for a really short time. Orks use machines that blow up if they sneeze wrong, and live by survival of the fittest to an extreme. I love em to bits but I’d rather be an Ogre as you aren’t guaranteed death

Yep there is one Before he was poisoned

That is very true. The setting seems to have a lot of static characters. If more suddenly appeared, humans who got there through their own merit, then that would add more fuel to the madness and I want that.

Wtf gamesworkshop

There is an entire art range of the genderswapped Primarchs, and they are glorious.

@@kevlonk Female konrad Curze is top tier edgy, bloodthirsty wiafu!

WOLFTITS

@@navilluscire2567 agreed. i personally like female lorgar's look. the hair really fits the priestly aesthetic

HERESY!

It's because they took the safe and cheap way out at the complete cost of story quality and wrote a setting that would appeal to the established fans. The 30k setting should have been utterly unrecognizable from 40k in aesthetic and partially in substance, but that might have alienated people who were fans of the main setting's style and tone. It should have been more overtly a """hard""" sci-fi, glory to science and progress and flashy lights in name, but with the obvious rot of authoritarianism and ironic bigotry in practice. It should have been a complete deconstruction of "the ends justify the means". And most of all, there should have been ZERO religious imagery or word choices. Why is HERETIC used in the atheistic IoM? There's some cool moments and lore but it was not handled well and it's absurdly past the point of being able to walk it back.

Absolutely agree. If you gave me passages from a 30K novel and a 40K novel, divorced from context, I wouldn't be able to tell which was which just from characterization and world-building. For example: I really liked the novel (Alpha) _Legion,_ it's probably one of the better ones in the Horus Heresy. But even in there, you can Alpharius + Omegon accusing people of heresy. Despite being at the height of Big-E's anti-religion campaign. WTF?

@@Oppen1945 I Feel that it stopped being a parody by third edition and now GW want us to take it seriously.

@@Oppen1945 40k is a paradoy of the British Empire. Like New Zealanders being brought over to fight the Ottomans in WW1; Crank that up to 11 and we have a no name planet sending conscripts to fight some one else's war on another no name planet.

​@@onua2012sga I think Alan Bligh did a fantastic job laying the foundation of the setting, and really captured the ethos of an empire tearing itself apart before its idiosyncrasies, where it starts to not work is in the the novelization. While generally serviceable, it was wildly inconsistent and at times needlessly convoluted, I was also really disappointed that the more coldly utilitarian dimension of the Imperium's "golden age" didn't pop up more often in them, though the HH Black Books have a *lot* of juicy tidbits spread across that sell this facet better. As for the faith thing, I think that the Last Church more or less answers the religiosity within the Imperium's nominal atheism. Humanity has a nearly pathological need to believe in a greater power, and even a militant crackdown on superstition can itself carry religious undertones when it becomes a dogma; their actions are Heretical to the Imperium's militant atheism, which they pursue with the same fervor as a religious zealot. What's interesting is that there actually is *some* historical precedent for such a situation in revolutionary France. One of its many short lived governments tried to set up a Cult of Reason following 1789 as a state sponsored Atheistic religion, one that championed human concepts of liberty and reason, and was meant to supplant the recently dispossessed French Catholic church. It didn't take off, and was actually outlawed by Napoleon a decade later, but as a concept I see it echoed in the Imperium's early days.

I definitely could’ve explained it better but there was nothing that made him that way in the way 40K usually makes a character special. There’s no prophecy, there’s no augmentations/he’s not awesome because he’s a space marine and if he wasn’t he’d be a nobody. He’s just a kickass guy.

@@pancreasnowork9939 I completely understand, honestly hes one of the very few examples of a 'normal guy' except maybe ol Ollanius Pius. I was mainly just being pretentious lol.

@@steppecist2928 always see RU-vidrs only reply like once. What too good to have a conversation with your lowly subscribers?

@@zanethompson3191 Its a weird rule lol

@@zanethompson3191 Well consider how many people comment and the dudes got more things going on then having a full blown conversation with everyone. Also, one comment responses are far more than other RU-vidrs. Especially the weird cultish nicknames some give their fans. It’ll never be not weird for dream to acknowledge some of his fans as kittens.

I've been going down the HH lore hole these last two years and sometimes it really feels like some of the Primarchs are complaining about the Emperor not caring about what they want just because they were too scared to disagree with him to his face (or whatever the interstellar equivalent of that is). Yeah, the Emperor's not gonna win Father of the Year anytime soon, but it wouldn't've killed Perturabo to just do what he wants like Guiliman or Jaghatai instead of following orders and whining about it all day.

Like the Thunder Warriors ?

While true Angron was legit fucked over by Big E

@@shuvodipbarua6001 HH lore is super contradictory because the writers are given too much leeway by Black Library. It's less the Emperor is schizophrenic and it's much more that certain authors have different ideas of what he should be. The Emperor is a huge dick in Master of Mankind because it's author hates the guy.

he didn't kill angron I woulda my less crazy friend would have too he was less than worthless

Plus indepedent stockists can sell at a 20% discount max

or 3d print what you need

Kitbashing is always an option as well. Big fan of it

Kit bashing helps a lot, something I did was mixing skitarii rangers and MK4 to make sniper rifle scouts

To be honest I find it better than the Chaos gods apparently having the power to just yoink people whenever, especially (ironically..) mother-F-ing Primarch babies from the Emperor himself so easily.

It's definitely both.

Women ☕

Wait what

Erda, what the fuck is this goobledigook, they coulda just left this vague. No what the story needs is more mythical superbeings acting in convoluted ways.

You mean the sigmarx community?

The Legio Mortis vs Legio Tempestus in Mechanicum was great. It was hyped up for the entire book and did not dissapoint.

The only few time to cheer for them... And they failed...

@@陳潔明-w6ythey actually caused angron to become angy in the first place because he was too wounded and feral do to the attack to be adopted so he was turned into a gladiator

​@@Sea_WheatApparently they had foreseen he'd have become a Slaanesh Daemon Prince if they didn't try to kill him, him turning to Khorne was apparently slightly better for the future

Oh no no no

No, it's okay, they were born into the one-wound era and know nothing of the vapid promises of two wounds. They can still be happy with their chaos space marines

@@tylerr472 yeh idk i just think they look cool. I dont play the game, just paint

@@random_fem1041based.

Just saw your big money video. You're a complete sped lol :smuckling intensifies:

Bolt rounds are stored in the balls

All of the sudden Warhammer seems lame 😢