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Historically, Quakers are known for abstaining from drinking alcohol. What was the reason behind Quaker teetotalism? Was that always the case?
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“Do Quaker Drink Alcohol?” That’s an interesting question, as well. For a long time, probably from the early 1800s well into the mid 20th century, if you heard the term “Quaker” you thought abstemious, you thought teetotal. And that was largely the case, but early Quakers drank because it was about the only healthful drink you had available to you.
Drinking in the 17th Century
The water was polluted; it’s what did in the Brontë sisters. Milk you couldn’t cool sufficiently; you’d get rubella from it. So, early Quaker boarding schools actually had breweries on the premises to provide healthful drink for the scholars. And when the Barclay family of Quakers in the 1700s bought the Anchor Brewing Company and Samuel Johnson heard about it, he coined the famous phrase: “This will make them richer than the dreams of Croesus.”
So Quakers had breweries, and they drank alcohol, but in moderation. George Fox himself drank, but one of his early openings, when he was in a tavern and his friends were encouraging him to get into a drinking contest, he said, I’m just not going to be in that silliness. It wasn’t an opposition to drink, it was the silliness of having drinking contests.
Opiate of the Masses: Alcohol in the Industrial Revolution
By the early 1800s, Quaker on both sides of the Atlantic recognized that alcohol was having a devastating impact on society. In England it was a gin-sodden society. People who were suffering-read Marx sometime, Das Kapital-the whole critique of industrial revolution and the crushing lives that people led.
What was that opiate of the masses? For some it was religion. For others it was alcohol, and for some it was opium. In America, it was “the whiskey republic.” And not only because of the crushing-read John Woolman sometime-how he talks about how people who oppress their labor often forced them into drowning their sorrows in drink at the end of a long crushing day of labor. Or, how rum was used to defraud Indians of their pelts and their land. So, he stops selling rum in his store.
But also because, as people settled in the great heartland, the breadbasket of America, on the other side of the Appalachians, before there was an adequate transportation system, they were growing all this corn, wheat, and barley. How do you ship it to those markets in the east? You distill it into hogsheads of alcohol. And we were just awash in whiskey and with all the impact of that: people drinking away their wages, and abuse, and violence.
So, by the early 1800s, as part of a broader Evangelical Christian reform movement, Quakers had become teetotal abstemious, and it's still a testimony of many Friends not to use alcohol.
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@Quakerspeak
@Quakerspeak 4 года назад
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@MrJethroha
@MrJethroha 6 лет назад
I think what's remarkable about Quakers is that every doctrine is within a historical context and that old traditions are not held to the point of meaninglessness. Quakers don't refuse titles of authority anymore because we don't live in an oppressive fuedal society anymore. Just the same, teetotalism goes by the wayside because addiction to alcohol is not as overwhelming as it used to be. Holding on to practices for superficial/historical reasons is another form of idolatry.
@samhilgartner988
@samhilgartner988 6 лет назад
Addiction to alcohol is not as overwhelming as it used to be? www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/americans-are-drinking-more-but-why_us_598c9b1ce4b0caa1687a5e6c
@samhilgartner988
@samhilgartner988 6 лет назад
There’s been a general shift toward a self tailored spiritual path, individuals seek religious forms which are more therapeutic or accommodating than challenging to ones ego or to ones neurosis, vices, etc. Traditionalism will never prevail of course, nor will a religion of comfort be spiritually grounding.
@wolfycubgames7179
@wolfycubgames7179 3 года назад
Personally I’m a Quaker and I don’t drink and don’t ever intend to. I’m Scottish-Italian and both these countries have increasingly bad alcohol problems, especially Scotland. I don’t feel that drinking is sinful but I do feel called to abstain from drinking it myself.
@plusbonus1165
@plusbonus1165 3 года назад
@@wolfycubgames7179 it's not so much that it is sinful as that it is a physically and socially addictive substance . Try giving up smoking or cocaine and your encouraged . Try telling people your giving up drinking and suddenly everyone is worried !
@wolfycubgames7179
@wolfycubgames7179 3 года назад
@@plusbonus1165 completely agree. It’s a harmful practise which is why I abstain
@richardschmidt2579
@richardschmidt2579 7 лет назад
i am a Quaker and i enjoy a drink in moderation-i know Quakers who abstain and that is their choice-i have been at Quaker weddings where beer and wine were offered and those who chose to drink enjoyed themselves as did those who abstained-its not an issue-preaching and brow beating others about their choice IS an issue-peace
@helenaville5939
@helenaville5939 2 года назад
It's one of the things I love about Quakerism - the absence of dogmatic rules. I have known Quakers who drink, don't drink, who read the Bible, don't read the Bible, who consider themselves Christians, don't consider themselves Christians, etc etc. They are not judged by their fellow Quakers and this is liberating and refreshing when compared with many other spirituality-oriented organisations. The central tenets, including that each of us travels our own unique spiritual path, remain unburdened by unnecessary man-made rules or dogma.
@UatuEd
@UatuEd 2 года назад
Quakers keep the ability to change, to evolve - while many others simply remain chained to some ancient codex. That's a big, important difference!
@chalkstube
@chalkstube 7 лет назад
I'm not (yet) a Quaker, and just starting to learn about them/you with an open mind, though I live in a country and area of a country/continent where there are few, which might be a little barrier to deepen my understanding. I love drinking and am glad that Quakers have historically partaken, though recognise that it can be a deterrent to coherent thought and integrity of behaviour that seems central to your faith. Cheers, or not, depending on where you stand on this issue.
@OceanChild75
@OceanChild75 6 лет назад
Iain White OMG I heard abot Quakers two days ago and I am so interested! Have you joined them yet? What did you think?
@ETNMom
@ETNMom 2 года назад
I'm a Quaker and I drink. It's your personal journey. And what is fine for you may not be fine for someone else. And that's ok. (You be you) I hope that helps.
@helenaville5939
@helenaville5939 2 года назад
I discovered Quakers relatively recently too. The more I read about them the more I felt I had been born a Quaker without ever knowing. It's like finding out there's a whole bunch of people out there who think and act exactly like me. Since then I have been asked about Quakerism and it is incredible how many other people have become interested just through my recounting my experience. The only thing I don't feel 100% certain of in Quakerism is their blanket policy of non-recruitment. While I agree that proactive recruitment can be problematic, it just seems like they are hiding away completely. I feel certain there must be thousands - maybe millions - of people around the world who, like me in the past, are either unaware of Quakerism, or have an erroneous perception of what Quakerism is about, and that they would be as pleasantly surprised as I was to discover they too are "natural born" Quakers but just never knew.
@pinkelephant4591
@pinkelephant4591 2 года назад
I believe that drinking in moderation is in line with Quaker values
@seawitch8227
@seawitch8227 2 года назад
I am a Quaker, and I do not drink at all, I never liked drinking and never found it to be necessary, I "just don't get it". BUT, I do on occasion smoke pot, but even then most days a calming hit or two once a day will do, not really looking to get high...but when my endometriosis is in full swing, then yes, for a day I do get high as a kite. I feel pot is a gift from God to help alleviate pain and give you good vibes, to use in MODERATION.
@tripp8833
@tripp8833 2 года назад
What about psychedelics .
@seawitch8227
@seawitch8227 2 года назад
@@tripp8833 I personally do not wish to partake in them, as they can do wonderful yet frightful things to the mind. But its up to each and every person to decide to take them or not, it's between them and God.
@marjoriebye2771
@marjoriebye2771 7 лет назад
The point is addiction...addiction comes from hatred ...hatred towards us ...Quakers we are like any other humans ...isn't bad not to enjoy the fruits of the earth but what isn't beneficial us to indulge to the point of destruction ...addiction is a type of slavery
@angelgirldebbiejo
@angelgirldebbiejo 6 лет назад
that is true for anyone
@theatavist5120
@theatavist5120 5 лет назад
Pure ascetism is a form of self-loathing, a hatred for the primal instincts which reside in the hearts of all human beings. On the other end of the spectrum is addiction, which, as you said, is slavery to these same primal instincts and desires. To enjoy the human experience without allowing yourself to be weighed down by excess vice is the best way to go about this entire thing.
@fruittosuit
@fruittosuit 3 года назад
@Occam's Shave Cream username gave a chuckle - a note of thanks foamy to you
@blaze9525
@blaze9525 8 лет назад
My testimony is balance/moderation. I do not see "soft drugs" like alcohol and weed when someone is not addicted to them (alcohol) as something to only be consumed to fill a void. I also do not believe in using them to fill a void. I believe that if they are used, it is best to use them in moderation for enjoyment of the experience. There are many things that Quakers do for enjoyment such as kayaking that are not completely free of luxury. It is the type of luxury to me. I think that they can be consumed without being opulent or a hindering excess, but I do not see this is as suited for every adult as these are harder for some to manage than others.
@johnf.kennedy7339
@johnf.kennedy7339 7 лет назад
They don't believe that. That's not there philosophy as Quakers. Basically, that's the way it goes. They have there beliefs and like most people they prefer to have them respected just like everybody else [as well]. Your sentiment IS a particular belief. But the presupposition that one should should moderate a position [especially in current American society] could in a sense be impossible to argue. Because of religious pluralism they are entitled [a basic tenet of the founding Constitution - freedom]. You could say you don't believe that but it's irrelevant. The Quakers were here before the Constitution nevertheless, they were an essential precursor to its development [remonstrance] and therefore "Congress shall make no law for the establishment of religion, or prohibiting the exercise thereof.... Should I withhold the author of that written word. Or, is it too obvious.
@rickycox2809
@rickycox2809 5 лет назад
Thomas Cox a vinter of London. (owned a vineyard, and they drank) friends with William Penn. (9th great grandfather)
@merccadoosis8847
@merccadoosis8847 8 месяцев назад
All too often, religion is the opiate of the masses. But to each his/her own. Those early Quaker disciples had the option of boiling water, serving it warm with their foods like the Chinese do, or using it for tea or hot cider drinks. They did not have to drink beer or ale like they chose to do. As for me, I remain a teetotaler not because of medical or spiritual consideration, but by choice. To me, it is the world's best lifestyle option.
@1DIKOD
@1DIKOD 8 лет назад
Yes, hooch is a tricky one. Moderation is great for those who can apply it. Even for those without a problem it can offer the means of stepping out of pain which will always be dangerous particularly for some. Rules and directives are horrible because who applies them and how are they enforced? I think this is why it is regarded as the "evil drink". The best we can do is to remain hyper-aware. I remember throwing out a quarter bottle of rum because I knew I was getting a taste for it. Hooch quickly kills good gut bacteria that gives so much health and vitality and smoking dope destroys your lungs. Try eating a little hash instead (but not too much) X
@anwren6794
@anwren6794 4 года назад
Im very new to quakerism (only attended one meeting so far) is it okay if I still chose to drink alcohol? Im a young adult, so admittedly I do have the occassional drunken evening with friends but most of the time I have no interest in that and just drink one drink every now and then because I actually enjoy it as a beverage. I dont really see it as something that fills a hole in my life or anything
@dannyboy4682
@dannyboy4682 3 года назад
Asking 1 person whether something is ok or now is a bit heirarchal, and not something I associate with Quaker values
@wooblyboo
@wooblyboo 3 года назад
I believe that Quakerism is about finding this kind of answer within yourself Personally I enjoy occasional alcohol, but I don't feel that it's right to drink to the point of black out/getting really drunk nor do I feel like it's right to emotional drink, but to each it's own
@helenaville5939
@helenaville5939 2 года назад
Alcohol in and of itself is not bad. It is in the abuse of alcohol where problems arise - for oneself that is. Maybe you could ask yourself why you need to experience an occasional evening of alcohol abuse with friends. The right answer lies within your own personal growth, not within any imagined Quaker doctrine.
@Deaverzl
@Deaverzl 2 года назад
Quakers by and large don't care. To them it dosent make you a "bad" quaker. Now if it's continually abused, that may be another story
@janiefox3458
@janiefox3458 3 года назад
Gee, wonder if Friends School in Baltimore had a brewery? Both parents attended there.
@SkyRaker77
@SkyRaker77 7 лет назад
very informative, thanks
@josephmito5629
@josephmito5629 3 года назад
Great message to our teachings
@Kevin-xi6ts
@Kevin-xi6ts Год назад
Oh really?
@igrdcjjn
@igrdcjjn 11 месяцев назад
Gostaria de contato de quakers aqui no Brasil.
@ryangatien6615
@ryangatien6615 3 года назад
If quakers are so free form, shouldn't it be personal choice whether or not to drink? If quakers don't want a preacher shoving their beliefs down their throats, why would they want someone telling them what to do in their personal lives. I think this video really danced around the question and I got totalitarian/politician vibes from this
@helenaville5939
@helenaville5939 2 года назад
It did sound like he was taking refuge in recounting the history of alcohol consumption by Quakers rather than addressing the question directly.
@Peony25001
@Peony25001 2 года назад
My grandfather did like a glass of port at dinner but some of his family abstained. I don't think there is a direct answer to this question.
@pinkelephant4591
@pinkelephant4591 2 года назад
That's definitely not what I got from this
@Kevin-xi6ts
@Kevin-xi6ts Год назад
I know a Quaker dude who smokes tons of weed. His brother robbed a liquor store 5 times.
@StevieLWeisend
@StevieLWeisend Месяц назад
is his brother a Quaker?
@concernedtaxpayer903
@concernedtaxpayer903 6 лет назад
This is such a wonderful video. Opiate of the masses...for some it was religion! For some, alcohol. For others, opium!
@rachelgoodkind6545
@rachelgoodkind6545 9 месяцев назад
Hi, I align with Quaker values in many ways. Do Quakers eat animals and animal products? since life is precious and killing is wrong?. I believe one prohibition for Yeshua and his disciples was NO ALCOHOL.It is a stimulant, a drug that alters the brain. Yeas ago I drank too much and cut back to ONE drink. I still never liked the taste of any alcohol at all. I kept going back and forth between not drinking and having only one drink. I finally stopped several years ag and do not miss it at all. I can understand why it was a major problem years ago and it still is. It can easily become an excess. Quakers were the only chuch's who helped escaped slaves, and those who were "freed" but wanted by their keepers. I admire that integrity.
@Quakerspeak
@Quakerspeak 9 месяцев назад
The Religious Society of Friends has no doctrine on vegetarianism or veganism or the consumption of alcohol (or, for that matter, other substances). Individual Quakers take a wide range of positions on these and other lifestyle concerns. (Also, to be fair, while Quakers were among the first to participate in the Underground Railroad, they were by no means the only Christians, nor the only people of any faith for that matter, involved.)
@AndyT-np8mm
@AndyT-np8mm 3 месяца назад
Wasn't Jesus' first miracle turning water into wine?
@virginiascott7645
@virginiascott7645 2 года назад
Insteading.
@mritchie85
@mritchie85 2 года назад
They drink in the New Testament and it is said by the Lord Jesus Christ that it isn't what goes into a person's mouth that defiles them but what emanates from the persons mouth and thus heart that does so, food and drink can be enjoyed in moderation.
@universallight-ew4fr
@universallight-ew4fr Год назад
I don't drink alcohol, but it's mainly because I don't like it.
@vwhbj2003
@vwhbj2003 7 лет назад
im just mezmerized by that beard... and jealous.
@mikeytang2252
@mikeytang2252 3 года назад
I heard the word hwiskey? Is it just me lol
@tburzio
@tburzio 7 лет назад
It's funny how many people profess to be Calvinists but don't understand what it means. Predestined to be received into heaven. Does that mean you choose not to sin? No, it means that you won't. It's not the same thing, at all. This is what Jesus kept trying to make people understand, that opening up your heart to the Lord makes your choices easier, not harder. The section about the Roman soldier says this flat out, but everyone gets it wrong every time.
@helenamshanahan988
@helenamshanahan988 7 лет назад
This is about Quakers, not Calvinists. They are not the same whatsoever.
@dr.lexwinter8604
@dr.lexwinter8604 3 года назад
When Indian's traded us tobacco and killed one half of our population we said "This is our fault." but when we trade them liquor and they have problems with it we say "This is our fault." When the acts of ourselves, and the acts of others are always our fault then I submit that we have an issue with cultural guilt and need to cast that off. This cultural guilt nonsense will be the end of indigenous Europeans if we don't.
@helenaville5939
@helenaville5939 2 года назад
Thankfully, your level of paranoia is uncommon.
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