Yes, I call this question the Knee vs JDCR philosophy. Knee's philosophy is that you should get Tekken God Prime with EVERYONE on the roster whereas JDCR says no if you play for fun.
@@mogagary well, maybe Knee's philosophy is that every character is their own kind of fun. There's like only 4-5 characters in tekken I despise and would never want to play them. But others? I want to learn to acid rain with Lee, I want to try out Choe's one-two shenanigans, yoshi seems like a ton of fun, kazuya - vortex ppl to death, etc.
But u can't have real fun If you don't know about the other characters moves and plan Because you will not defend well The real fun is when u know everything about all characters in game It will improve your defending A lot
Not gonna lie I used to root against JDCR cuz I always saw his Dragunov and he kept winning. I thought he was too serious and cold but now that I see how chilled out he is I find that I was somewhat irrational about it lol
@@justaotter2085 Snake Edge is homing, launches on hit, crushes highs and mids but its very slow(you can whiff a move and still be able to block), Im not sure its cheap but I can accept it. Orbital isnt cheap, it has the same properties has an hopkick but its slower, thats why its safe(but very minus on block).
This. Agreed. Some characters you just do not want to bother learning and it feels like such a chore to try, but learning to fight against them is more like sticking it to them, way more satisfying.
what's the difference between learning and labbing? aren't they the same thing? I'm not very familiar with the tekken buzzwords, so my bad if my question sounded too ignorant
languagelearner15 labbing is more like learning their frames n when to ss. U don’t necessarily learn how to use them yourself just how to counter their moves
languagelearner15 I can learn a lot from watching videos of content creators like Blasted Salami, Frame Whisperer, and JDCR, but the advice and info they provide (frame data, weaknesses of moves, etc.), can only help me so much if I never get to simulate certain situations were their advice would prove useful. I’m honestly not the greatest at adjusting mid game so I need to lab (hit up practice mode) against certain characters so that I can at the very at least become familiar with their movelists. For a character like Hworang- it can make a difference in knowing when you can duck or parry certain strings of his because you otherwise might be giving him free frames and damage.
It’s a great idea to understand all of the characters. Their strengths/weaknesses and their strategies with/against them. Learning to play characters from scratch is tough. But once you get the hang of them (ie combos and setups) it gets fun - and you get the feel of understanding why certain people play them. I’m striving to have fun playing all the characters and learning along the way. I never thought about this since like 2 years ago. But here I am, still having fun playing Tekken.
Start from Bryan. If you can understand Bryan the rest of the cast is a peace of cake. Bryan has everything, but you have to use his tool correctly or you won't get good with him.
@@abhayhyanki6177 No I think the standard new player Bryan process is this: get to green ranks very easily with snake edge, then get stuck there. By that time you have some understanding at the game and you can either choose to perfect your Bryan (very hard), or pick another character or something of both. What I'm saying is that at the beginning Bryan is very very strong in quite easy way, so I think he shouldn't be demotivating to new guys. It gets very hard quickly, but by that time you like the game enough to deal with it.
Yo JDCR whats up. i think its amazing that you can play while commentating at the same time, and bilingualy too. Thats awesome for your national and international supporters! The time stamps are also great for a quick rewatch and the subtitles were on point and sharp. You are doing great! Greetings from germany!
Thanks for this video, JDCR (and editor man). Could you guys please include the date of the stream, so we can go to the twitch vods and watch the whole thing? Thank you guys so much.
You just need to learn the other characters' moves that are usually used, its characteristics, and know the frame data of unsafe moves so that you can punish them accordingly. Just maybe the characters that you have difficulty fighting against.
It also really helps to watch the replays. If you also want to invest money, you can buy the frame data tool. Alternatively, if you're unaware of the matchup, you can test your usual punishes to see if you can get accurate frame data
JDCR is a true credit to Tekken. Super sweet guy, clearly a top player in the world, and any insight he gives us is incredibly rewarding. You can't but help but root for this guy.
I'm doing it but taking time with each character 1 by 1. If you do it the right way and not just take shortcuts like the way Mainman is doing it helps a lot. You can learn how the game is balanced if you actually check the punishments and the strings as well as the logic behind a character. You can also try to use things a character specializes in if you've neglected it like Lilli sidestep, Miguel/Zafina backdash or Master Raven wall carry and wall conversion.
I only have the capacity to learn 3 characters fairly well. No more than that 🤣 But it's fun as hell picking random sometimes and seeing what happens 🤷🏻♂️😁
Playing Gigas has been teaching me fundamentals in a weird way. Not that it is bad but as Tekken 7 being my first competitive game, Gigas can be a easy yet hard to master char when you start getting more in tune with the game. Simple combos and punishes, even teaches you to not randomly throw out moves with how he is as a character but maybe a secondary would help if you are trying to work on your kbd and movement in addition to punishes for 11-14f
JDCR says Bryan has no strong mixups even against noobs. He has a lot of faith that noobs can consistently react to snake-edge and are able to handle hatchet kick pressure. Yes those things won't help you to learn Bryan properly but Bryan does have stuff that can carry low level players through the ranks: Snake-edge (scrub killer tool & harder to react to online). Orbital heel. Mach kick. Tons of CH strings that can be abused against players that are not patient.
I think his version of noob is more different to ours. To us a noob bryan would be someone throwing out snake edges and flowcharts etc. To JDCR noobs are probably people who do know how to play the game and stuff, but just arent that good in the end. I dont think JDCR even considers those lowest levels of players when he talks about stuff like this. Maybe im wrong tho, as Im just inferring what he said. But if you think about it, a person with JDCR's caliber probably thinks a lot of the tekken players are noobs
@@DonMIFC yeah I was thinking about this as well after I posted. When JDCR last went to the US and played US players online he was quite surprised that no-one was side-stepping him when he played Kazuya. Perhaps even the noob players in his scene still utilize movement well enough against Mishimas better than US players
I feel like you learn more weaknesses and strengths by playing different characters plus it makes the game fun and you may find a character you never knew your good with. So i like playing different. My main is miguel so it helps my defense and offense a lot
Best answer is, look at videos like “how to play Hwoarang” and don’t think yourself as the hwoarang player but the opponnent. See which tricks he is strong with and learn counters with your character.
I play Bryan and only Bryan since T7 came out. Once you master his taunt set ups his wall game becomes god like. Esp b4 from taunt at the wall. Free 80 dmg combo. Love playing the Fury.
@@AngryTxicChaobla lol don't know if that was sarcasm but I have never tried to teach anyone my Fury ways. I can try and give you tips on playing him if theres anything you need help with.
@@AngryTxicChaobla for the timing of b4 off taunt, for me seemed to click right before the moment his knee touches your opponent input the b4. If you wait until it touches them it won't hit. That's the hard part is how frame perfect you have to be. The combo I hit after is taunt b4, jet upper, f,f+4 b+3~3,4. I believe its exactly 80 damage. Theres variations to it as well. Instead of f,f+4 do qcf,2,1 in place. What I did was lock down all his easy taunt options 1st such as df2,1 or 2,3. Try locking down the timing to taunt 3. This will teach you the timing of the harder moves to hit because it has to be last second for it to combo.
It’s good to know match ups for sure. But it’s not practical to know every match up given each character on average has at least 100 moves. It’s best to know your character through and through including their frames and meta.
The Legends himself said it Bryan is the most difficult character to learn :^) i picked up law as main in my beginning days of T7 and got shit talked by a "friend" just for using the character. I got annoyed so eventually i switched to his main hwoarang which he didn't like at all the shit talk started again he said things like "don't touch him, play other chars he's too difficult for you" and so on. Once again he got so annoying and pretty much forced me to switch mains again :/ in S1 Bryan was considered S tier and i wanted to learn someone difficult so i decided to learn him i don't regret my decision but even after picking up Bryan he trash talked me again saying things like "pretty much everything on this char including taunt stuff is cheap af and easy to execute". I'm glad JDCR made this vid i still main Bryan to this day :)
Eventhough Bryan is my main what I don't understand is his ff1+2 throw is -10 after he lands it so opponent is on ground and i lose my turn dude is already hard enough to play
@@Anjo.inspires it's alright you're not wrong though, I just feel Bryan, Lee, Steve and the Mishimas are just too complex and sometimes it's unnecessary
I'm a dragunov player which advice would you give me to maximise combos ? i also have a problem to perform a instant ws1+2 the shoulder atack advice please
matthew tonna In Aris’ videos, he mentions to go in practice mode and and do what their opponents are doing. Not to mention, there are video breakdowns that show anti-strats.
Well mostly from experience i guess. Tekken is one of game that really rewards u for legacy skill, and JDCR has a lot of it from his earlier T5 and T6 domination days. It carry over to T7 still
I think its the way steve can be played in general where you can make opponents guess 50/50 in certain situations whereas bryan doesnt really have a 50/50.
@@mshklh2099 The wall throw is breakable on reaction, the extended duck is 50 frames for the high and all the options can be sidewalked, the d/b 3, 2 can only really be used at the wall (has no range easily backdashed) similar to bryans taunt mixup at the wall on whether to block or interupt, he is probably referring to one of these 3 but I'd take taunt and QCB 3 of Bryan as better mixup moves than what Steve has
@@Jiraiya_D_Sensei Pab D1 does 12 damage bro, if u get hit by it 6 times and low Parry the 7th you will do more damage if you reach a wall, and the d/f 2 is -10
in my opinion. Its okay learn other characters but to master them completely. Its good to learn how you can counter attack or figure out where to SS or to punish
I forget what the move is called but the input is b,df4, a very slow startup low with heavy plus frames, and it can be cancelled with b, so he's just doing b,df~b
@@himalayasharma9469 I'm not a bryan player, but a lot of my friend playing at "decent" level of play are very annoying to deal with just with those moves
Play at range 1 against Bryan and don't duck,let them use low attacks like hatchet kick and then start hitting them with quick mid strings.bryan can't deal with pressure right on his face.because his quick pokes have bad frames and are kind of slow.
He is right but maybe not learn all of the moves on the list, perhaps is better if you learn how to fight every character as JDCR said he doesnt play hwoarang but nows how to fight him
