Do we know that we die when we die? 

13:18 - I've witnessed changes in people's behavior after having a stroke. It seems their brain gets "rewired" to some extent. For example, some of their favorite things will change... like their favorite TV show, or their musical preferences, their favorite foods, etc. If people had immortal souls, then why would physical damage to the brain have such a profound effect? And if those immortal souls are that easy to modify (for lack of a better word), the soul will eventually become a completely different person, and "you" are gone anyway.

So many humans cannot handle that they'll simply end.

This is indeed logical. Similar to how we had no existence or self-awareness prior to our birth, death simply returns us to that same condition. The religious groups need to stop lying to us...

The last time I wasn’t alive, I didn’t even get to experience any of it. Why should the next time I’m not alive be any different?

Aaron Ra you rock!!! Huge fan ❤

What if you're only mostly dead?

I thought this might be one of those philosophical questions As in, are we aware that we are dying as we die? Turns out that, it's another video explaining what most people know and understand and others refuse to accept. The brain is everything consciousness doesn't exist without the brain and there's no round 2, when you're gone you've gone! Or to those that still don't get it You're not going to Heaven or any other non existent afterlife!

I was resuscitated 3 times two weeks ago. The answer to the question is NO. I however realized that i had died when i was resuscitated and came to.

What’s for sure is that you won’t know you’re dead when you’re dead.

A piece of the universe stops doing what it was doing. Such will be my passing.

These people that cannot understand that psybicilin is just a chemical that affects how the brain works, and is an argument against mind-body dualism, piss me off.

When the organ that you use to commit a task rots, that task no longer happens. When your legs rot you ain't playing football anymore. This applies to all organs & their concomitant tasks. Including the brain. 16:37 Somnolence had the emphasis on the first syllable, like SOM-nol-ence. I'm not sure how many syllables it has in the US, as used by our tame Neuroscientist, but here in the UK it has only three and it flows... It comes from the Latin Somnus meaning "sleep" & originally from the Proto-Indo-European *swep meaning "to sleep". That asterisk means the Proto-Indo-European word has been inferred by its effects upon subsequent, daughter languages and hasn't been collected or studied directly.

I still don't understand the argument about mystical experiences. I've had experiences., and i don't believe they are supernatural or open my mind to a different force of nature. It stands to reason that a substance that is meant to effect a certain chemical function in the brain will cuase people to have similar experiences.

I've had many surgeries in my life and so I've been under general anesthesia many times. The "experience" of being under general anesthesia is my reference point when I consider what it will be like when I am dead.

My brain automatically added "bro" to the end of the title for some reason 😆 🤣

"Were you killed?" "Sadly, yes... But I lived!"

Do I want to carry on free from the bounds of space and time after my mortal body dies? Yes, of course. Do I use ancient texts to guide my modern life? Certainly not. Do I use them to attempt to force others to follow those rules? I'd rather be shot than be that person. With no proof of non-local mind, or continuity of consciousness after death, we should strive our hardest to reduce the suffering of others and extend our lives. Because while the existence of the "soul" has nothing to back it up other than vibes, we certainly possess empathy and compassion. At least until religion and politics wring it out of you.

We all know that we die eventually. But in the moment of death....we fight the grim reaper to stay. But we never win.

I had a series of mystical experiences 22 years ago and yeah, they feel profound at the time and for a while afterwards. But looking back, it's just being in a different state of awareness; it says nothing at all about the world, just about how experience can be 'coloured' by ourselves.

Ive been obsessed with mortality and the discussion about consciousness and existence and non existence really interest me

If our consciousness exists beyond the brain why can't I remain conscious and think about things while my body sleeps? Obviously there is nothing "beyond" our brain. We lose consciousness when we sleep because the brain's operating mode changes and consciousness is not supported in that mode. If the brain was some kind of "receiver" then I could think while my brain slept. I look after my mother, who has Alzheimer's, and is slowly losing everything about her mind. This proves to me that consciousness depends entirely upon the brain and that there is no spiritual mind beyond us that we are "radio receivers" for. If there was something "beyond" then she wouldn't forget what she did 5 seconds ago. She wouldn't forget who I am. Her personality wouldn't be changing from that of an extremely intelligent, self-controlled, stoic person who was the rock-solid hub of our family... into something like a 5 year-old who spits the dummy when she can't get their own way. Those who argue for a spiritual mind beyond the brain make up lots of "what-if" possibilities, but painfully ignore all the mountains of evidence we already have that consciousness is simply the action that the brain performs.

Don't know how to demonstrate this, but I have my own personal experience... I was hit by a car and laid unconscious in ICU for several days. Regaining consciousness was like experiencing a time machine. One second I am riding my bicycle and next second I am laying in ICU with traumatic brain injury with tubes coming out of every orifice of my body although several days had passed. There is nothing after death - no dreams, no nightmares, just nothing and not even time. When you die there is no consciousness and therefore there can be nothing to experience and nothing to fear. The only thing to fear is a slow and painful death, but once you die all the fear and pain is gone.

Ok but where do cars go when they stop working? I know what happens to their physical shell, but nobody has ever been able to explain how they go "vroom" if there are no magical energies under the hood, and I'm not seeing any peer-reviewed studies saying that there aren't any magical energies that still exist after a car is destroyed.

And then there is dementia - my mother was effectively dead as a person for the last few months of her life - she was effectively a zombie. Where was her soul?

I am a little bit skeptical about these stories of monks showing incredible stuff while meditating inside of an MRI... the studies don't seem that plentiful nor that conclusive...

"This philosopher believes differently than the Neurosurgeons..." That's probably because they are not neurosurgeons! The biggest crime of philosophy is to try to explain and find answers despite good evidence as is had with science, and well science exists because philosophy is absolutely terrible at finding answers for things they lack the details for, and has failed for it, whereas science uses philosophy only based on the details we do know, and anything they don't know, but may suspect on a philosophical basis are not considered answers, but possible answers! Once you have a few possible answers only actual science may come to the right conclusion, and philosophy again fail. If a Philosophically derived answer does hold true, it's no miracle, and just a matter of chance withing possibility and probability... and there are usually many wrong philosophical answers to the very same question, whereas in science only the one shows true and demonstrable.

That title sounds like something you'd think of while super stoned lmao

Hey Aron: There's another, and even bigger reason you cannot put one persons mind in an other's body: Brain physiology and chemistry: Both subjects will differ there, and you can't even say person B will take on traits person A had, because the data itself won't store, nor be able to be processed in exactly the same way, so you may have a few aspects relating to musical understanding in person A, may transfer to B but not as such, and you may end up with person B being all mentally F'd up! The only way I can see it being possible is if they figure out a way to process person A's mind and translate it into a code person B's brain can understand. Also: Nothing magical about psychedelics at all, and "My experience", not even "everyone's experience" if even nearly identical points at anything but that we still need to figure out what they effect and once we have that, why they either come out near identical or quite different, which can help, because we can look at the differences in brain chemistry and physiology, and gain more info on them.

Great content as always but the most important question. Aron where can I get that amazing mug I am seeing you drink from.

As someone who spent time as an RN and who has seen quite a few deaths - most chronically ill people whose life was ebbing step by step, were mostly comatose when they died. I could frequently tell when a patient's death was imminent, but I sincerely doubt that the person in question did. Once a patient died, there was no blaring of angelic trumpets, just the last moment of a battery dying, like when your 'phone completely loses its charge. That transitional phase change was always an impactful moment for me to witness. And I never let a patient die alone, comatose or not. I was never part of an ambulance team, so did not see people who were dying suddenly from trauma. Therefore, I do not know if those persons knew that they were dying.

Great discussion as always. I always enjoy you having Dr. Chris Thompson on. Slightly off topic (but not by much): Aron, have you read Max Bennett's recent (2023) book: A Brief History of Intelligence: Evolution, AI, and the Five Breakthroughs That Made Our Brains? Definitely worth checking out and I think you would really enjoy it if you haven't already. One of the (many) takeaways I got was the realization of just how powerfully our brains demonstrate evolution.

I'm a neuroscientist/ philosopher of mind, and have done every psychedelic many times, and none of the trips have been persuasive beyond physics. Idealism proponents argue that this assumption is more parsimonious than supposing the existence of other physical realities. All the MWI asks us to suppose is the existence of other realities which, while also unobservable are at least coherent, unlike the idea of non-physical causation. You cannot prove realism or idealism, to do so, if reality is created by consciousness, then our minds create our brains, rather than the other way around. If brains are created by minds and not the other way around, why do we even need brains at all, why do they exist? If idealism is true, we don't need our brain as a biological interface to communicate with our muscles. If our minds created the brain and muscles, and if the mind controls the brain, why doesn't the mind control the muscles directly? Why are there all these physical parameters and non-material must obey? If the fact that we presuppose consciousness makes it fundamental, then spacetime is at least as fundamental, because we presuppose that as well. The fact that we presuppose something, does not make it fundamental to reality. Idealists are not justified in saying that consciousness doesn’t have to be accounted for. MWI is a better interpretation of QM than idealism because it does away with the question of why particles manifest themselves in one location rather than another. If consciousness causes it to be in another location, it just kicks the question down the road. It doesn't address why consciousness causes it to exist in one location and not another. If the explanation is God, you can still ask why God did so, and it will be his arbitrary, subjective preference. However, if MWI is true, then the particle exists in all possible locations. You don't have to ask why it is absent in any location because it isn't absent. Idealism never ultimately explains the absence of a particle from a particular location, but if MWI is true, there isn't any absence to explain. You can still ask why it exists in all locations, or why many worlds exist instead of 1 or none, but the question of the particle’s absence from any particular location is effectively dealt with. If consciousness can be built up from rudimentary processes just as life can, then consciousness doesn't seem to be any more in need of some special immaterial substance than life is. If you're an idealist, what do you mean when you say the brain exists? What do you mean when you say it gives you access to consciousness? If you are not your brain or its processes, and you need your brain to “access” consciousness (and you are, therefore, distinct from that consciousness itself) then what is the “you” that you're talking about? What is this unconscious, immaterial entity that needs a brain to access consciousness? Usually, idealists will say that one's consciousness is oneself, but some seem to think that the immaterial self is not conscious without a brain. That's extra interesting considering the fact if they’re a theist. How is a God conscious without a brain? How could one be conscious in the afterlife if the brain is a necessary access point for consciousness? The concept of one's self seems to me to simply be a continuing pattern of activity rather than some kind of non-physical entity. We can conceive of the self as a series by pointing out consistencies in the pattern. The person is, essentially, that which is consistent throughout the person's life. If a person were to get total amnesia and their brain were altered in such a way that their behaviour was so inconsistent with previous behaviour as to make their personality unrecognizable, then for all practical purposes, that would be a new person.

Do we know that we are asleep when we fall asleep? Not me. When I lose consciousness and fall asleep, I don't know that I fell asleep until I wake back up.

Being a former nurses aid,I'm able to know this. I've watched various ppl fight grim reaper. Including family members.

I was awakened in the hospital and told "We're going to put you on a ventilator now." I said "Not until I can't say 'no'". I don't know how long it was before they put me on a ventilator, but there wasn't a moment I knew.

Ahhh... Unless my Grandmother is laying pissed off in a coffin - yea we die. Also the lack of any organs or tissue, nerves, eyes, skin and anything else other than degrading bones.. Might make it difficult to, you know, be alive.

I was clinically dead for 3 minutes and unconscious for 19 hours from a drug overdose. My heart stopped beating. What was hours seemed like the blink of an eye. No awareness. Like a dreamless sleep. And im fine with that as my inevitable fate.

I was in a car accident when I was 12 or so, which resulted in a concussion. My family said that I changed from then, I can't see it, but maybe that's normal.

It may be like falling asleep. You only “know” about it when you wake up later on. My dad was medically revived and he always said he didn’t remember anything except he was getting into a medical problem, but he always said it was like a blackout.

The guest, I'm sorry for not hearing or remembering names, contests that consciousness comes from the brains despite all the evidence that the neuroscientist game in the ~30 minutes prior, and despite having no evidence or basis for believing that consciousness comes from anywhere else. I find that impressive. Brains are fascinating. They're able to figure out the strangest things about reality without really being built for that, and at the same time they're able to be so confidently wrong in the face of all evidence showing that they are having the eivdence explained and having been shown how the evidence shows that you are not only wrong but that you have no basis for your beliefs, or to even consider what you believe to be true as an option, yet the brain still rejects reality and believes it not only has a basis that it can't show or find, but that the believe is correct without reason. And that same brain can do complex calculations, form abstract ideas, and correctly follow logic to logical conclusions in other areas. So weird.

The burden of proof is always for the people not just accepting alternative theories at face value and usually has to be a definitive proof in just one research paper or it doesn't count. Strange how that works.

In 10 million years the hyper advanced future human race will look back at our current “version” of consciousness and think of us the same we think of chimpanzees. We aren’t as advanced as religious people wished we were.

Cool Type-O-Negative reference on this video's cover! ⛔🎸

I think we may know that we are dying, but we don't know that we are dead. I remember a time I went 5 days without a bowel movement. On the 6th day, I drank a regular can of Coke. A few moments later, I had a super strong urge to defecate. I sat on the toilet, and had a satisfactory bowel movement. But, it wasn't over, because soon afterwards, I started feeling severe abdominal pain and light headed. Moreover, I felt an impending sense of doom. I felt as if I was going to die, and I started to panic. Then, I passed out. When I woke up, I was lying on the toilet floor, and feces had come out from both ends of my body. That is how severely constipated I was. I don't remember for how long I laid unconscious on the toilet floor. I later learned that I probably suffered an episode of vasovagal syncope i.e. fainting due to low blood pressure while straining to have a bowel movement. Cranial nerve #10, the vagus nerve, stimulates bowel contractions, but it also slows down the heart rate. So, when a person who is constipated strains to have a bowel movement, the vagus nerve may be over-activated to cause bowel contractions, and an over-active vagus nerve can slow down the heart rate to a point where the blood pressure drops too low. Consequently, there is less blood flowing to the brain which leads to fainting. From this experience I learned, (1) to make sure that I don't go more than 2 days without a bowel movement and (2) to not fear death, because I will probably only suffer for a few minutes, and then I will be dead and unable to experience any suffering. Death is nothing.

Aron finds the great topics. My second sample if this one.

I died on 4 different occasions. It's a totally black sleep. No dreams or lights or visits from ancestors etc. It's lights out, paddles, and one time woken up after a coma.... all just DEAD sleep.

Rincewind had been told that death was just like going into another room. The difference is, when you shout, "where's my clean socks?" no-one answers.

Reminded of the issue of knowing if a strawberry is "dead" since it also has seeds that then can produce new life. I suspect with the body, there's a point where the ever-present bacteria get their way, even though the body may not be completely dead. We are a collective after all.

This is the MOST IMPORTANT question in regards to religious belief.

dissociation is a common problem with meditation and also happens with other mind altering strategies. to the believers it's a feature. to someone that had these pita out of body nightmares in half asleep state, it's not so much a desired state. might as well be interpreting dreams. when the mind is altered perceptions can change, just like when you're drunk perceptions change. it doesnt mean it's some gateway to a magical world outside of physical reality, unless you really lose the plot. spiritual = talking shit

As an atheist, how can you deal with fears of death? This is something I’ve always struggled with.

You mainly dream when there is a REM phase of cycle of sleep.

37:33 Graham Hancock is a British pseudoscientist.

Shocking if true.

Yes, a Known-Unknown.. 👍👍

I die a bit everytime mr rump is mentiond in the television news :P

As someone who've had near death experiences, I'm just a regular guy. I'd trade places with people who are more deserving at life if I could. It just blows my mind with the absurdity of the state of the world. Money, relationships, leisure, pride, posessions superstition, these are all concepts that have no inherent meaning. The only thing that seems logical to dedicate my life to is making sure my kids grow up in a better world

"Somnolence"...sounds like maybe the French Quarter. IDK, sometimes I go for extended periods of lethargy. And then I regain normal levels of alertness. Maybe that means I've already come back from the dead! If so, I recommend necromancers take a close look at the xanthine family of drugs. I'm sure I'm far from being alone in *really* wanting there to be life after death, but also realizing that there just isn't. The effects of brain injury, whether acute or chronic, make it clear that the physical structure of the brain is required for the person. Anyone who has watched a loved one slowly succumb to senile dementia, seeing the personality rot away along with the memory, has to know that the person is dying. That's probably the hardest part of such a disease, that the loved one doesn't die all at once, at a known date, but rather slowly and gradually. The final physical death becomes a point of relief. If you believe in life after death, you should ask yourself if that life, for such a person, also develops gradually. In the early stages, is there a vague consciousness in whatever afterlife, that slowly builds up and becomes the full person who's going senile?

It's the same as falling asleep. We don't know that we are sleeping until we awake.

With the blood and honey beer if the honey was the primary fermenting sugar by 50% or more that makes it a type of mead called a braggot. Just a fun fact.

I desperately wish I could genuinely believe in an afterlife, but alas...

no because you can't know anything when your brain is dead

How did I miss this 😮

Surprised nobody mentioned the star trek teleporter thing. Where if you are destroyed on the molecular level and rebuilt exactly at a new location what happens to your consciousness? Did the you that is you just die and get replaced with an exact copy? If I remember right that's the exact theme of the game Soma as well. A fun other side is quantum immortality which involves the many worlds interpretation and the idea that consciousness is unique. Basically (if I remember correctly) your consciousness is unique and in any scenario where you could die it just persists on the world that splits off where that doesn't happen and continues forever. I don't get the psychedelic argument I've been seeing a lot lately at all. It's like dude.... this argument that if you give people enough drugs that make them see shit that isn't real, that alters their perception of reality chemically to an end result in them believing in god or god like entities isn't this huge proof or confirmation that you think it is.

I’m not dead yet, feeling pretty good actually!

First thing I thought when I saw the thumbnail on my notifications was Aron Ra is doing a review on Type O Negative.

I was put under for a check up - before the moment I thought "huh that's an odd sensation" as the drug that knocked me out took effect, it felt like my brain was in soda. Nice feeling. Then I was awake again the nurse telling me it was done. There was no me in that moment between those moments. I didn't even know that I wasn't. When I'm aware now, I fear that non-thing because well, its not a thing... and I'm used to having things. But, I do know if that is what it is to not be, its not bad, its not good, its not anything at all. But perhaps, before that moment we get to experience something cool. Maybe we go to some other universe. Maybe any number of things that I can't fathom happens. But - I don't believe in any of it. I'll be surprised if there is a bonus level to play. But bleep me I'm going to try to avoid finding out for as long as possible!

"When I die I won't even know I'm dead-do you know why? Because I'll be fucking DEAD!"-Jim Jeffries

My grandfather’s sister was my father’s favourite aunt . She was sick and in the hospital with a coma when he died . She woke up and one of the first things she asked about was him. She also knew he was dead. We hadn’t told her that he was dying because we didn’t want to upset her. She told us that she’d asked him “ H come get me out of this bed. “ She said that he told her ,”I can’t Aunt E, I’m dead! “ That’s when she woke up from the coma . She died a few weeks later. I’m Christian but I do believe that God only talks to some of us . Aron does a good job in combatting the ignorance and superstition that ruins people’s lives which is what God doesn’t want.

Consciousness is the last place the ghost in the machine can exist. Otherwise, the soul is running out of places to hide. We are magic monkeys. Just roll with it.😂

Jimmy keeps derailing the conversation when the material explanations which debunk his assumptions come up. Also not a big fan of this Jimmy whinning about Matt on calls.

i would argue that consiousness is old catchall term for beign aware that you are alive. i dont think there is a thing called consiousness. just different levels of awareness. when i was younger i was almost always aware if i was dreaming. i also had pretty full control over my dreams. i almost never had a bad dream because if i did not like how the dream was going, i would just change it. beign aware that you are dreaming when you are dreaming is not that different from beign awake. brain makes up your world even when you are awake. even awareness is not particulary scientific idea.

I thought Aron was gonna sing a Type O Negative cover. Maybe someday 😢

Dr. Thompson makes the statement that one is not conscious when asleep. That is demonstrably incorrect. IF that were true, then one would NOT respond to outside stimuli nor be able to "set one's internal clock" to awaken at a specific time, which I personally have experienced as well as observed among my fellow soldiers, when the occasion warranted it. Sleep IS one of the natural "altered states" of consciousness. Otherwise, an extremely good talk.

He puts the ac-cent' on a different syllable than I'm used to for somnolence.

I am not sure how u can honestly make a blanket statement for all "believers." Some might call that spreading fibs. I, for one, love science. I find science fascinating. I sometimes wish i would have pursued different interests earlier in life. But, i didn't. Oh, well. Getting back on point, i do not have to be convinced beyond a reasonable doubt or whatever u said. But, i at least have to be convinced that the theory that is being spread is not political propaganda. I like my science to be scientic, not scientific-ish.

No. Next question, plrase?

I'm curious about what I would describe as functional stupor or some kind of functional unconsciousness. I developed encephalitis from a viral infection. For the first 4 days, I was able to drive my vehicle and walk but communication was terse if any. My behavior was recounted to me much later after I woke up in the hospital 2.5 weeks later. How does "Automatic" mode work? Where you can still walk and talk and respond basically but retain no memories?

Cafe (sp?) is a bad as Spirit Science. He has nothing to say other than Gish Galloping through name-drops interspersed with dishonest "oooh, yeah, isn't that interesting?". Creationists only wish they could use this tactic.

Двойняйщки лежат в утробе матери и говорят.... - есть ли жизнь после? - не знаю...но еще никто не возвращался😅

1:06:50 our guy here did the wrong amount of drugs: fewer and you don't start believing in nonsense, or waaaayyyy more and then you've seen everything and you start getting a better understanding of what's real and what's not and why our normal state of consciousness is the way it is - it's kinda the Dunning Kruger of drugs, and someone here is not at the peak they think they're at...

Black beanie guy knows some words,but has no clue 🤦🏻‍♂️ Edit: it was an interesting discussion until this guy hijacked the show👎

The philosophical zombie concept of "it's dark inside" makes no sense to me. "Dark" is related to vision. So it's "dark" when there's no light (i'm focusing on light, since in the concept everything in the body is exactly as a 'normal' body. It still has eyeballs, retina inside, occipital lobe etc. etc.) entering the eyes to be part of the whole feedback loop of what we call "vision". So how can the philosophical zombie have eyes, brain, all the organs, and light still hits it, but it's "dark"? If it was "dark" then it would act like a blind person, and then it won't be a philosophical zombie. The concept seems self-refuting. If I apply it to ANYTHING it makes ANYTHING nonsensical to seems to be in reality. Like lets say we instead have a philosophical banana. It grows , it grows on a banana tree, it has it's characteristic bent shape, and yellow color with spots when it is ripe, it's sweet to the taste, when you examine it's chemical structure it does have the sugars that initiate the sweet taste, it has proteins, fats, the typical expected minerals , vitamins , antioxidants etc. etc. Basically everything we know about a banana. BUT when you eat that banana, it provides no nutrition! You digest it, you absorb it, it gets into your cells etc...but it provides no nutrition! What the fuck would that mean? :D Apply the idea of philosophical zombie anything for a similar result.

If you’ve ever been on the other end of the defibrillator?

Circle of life

@AronRa what is it that you're drinking?

Spiritual energy is of course measured in ohms 😂, as in the sound that is stereo typically made when meditating. And according do Hindu beliefs, is the first sound god made, and therefore is the seed sound of all creation.

Many decades ago, way back in my teens years i developed a hobby based on a cheesy film from the 80 called [ flat linners ] .. will not say anything about the method i developed from a trend at the time, because it's very dangerous and has fallen out of memory..... I try this 100s of times and probably suseded maybe 20/30 times.there is no point talking about what i exspearance because when the brain is in a drying state it's cemasty goes mad giving to the silly to the profound, but will say time is meanless as there is a near eternity within a moment..

☹️ Why no subtitles?

Is the brain conscious or self-aware, for example, does it know that it is conscious even though we don't perceive it is conscious?

Hey Aron, could you please help me find a good geology book for beginners? 🙉

Thumbnail be like: suck it!

Im 38 and its been wrapping my head up about death and when does the conciousness go away. How did I come into my own conciousness as i developed theory of mind. When we die do we just come to inhabit another mind, NOT US, cause were dead just want to affirm that lol but thats a whole lotta guesses coming from an atheist i just think about it alot.

My grandfather, died, after he said, " you go when your called". Holding my Grandmothers hand, then he was no more. There is a lot of nurses that dicuss the sheer will to live is an unbeliveable strength and peopel then go, after doing something, they are set to, or go out gently.

C'mon Aron Energy is measured in Joules.

Ok, but hear me out. If our universe is deterministic and quantized that means that everything in it is a state, so technically the entire universe could be encoded as a number (a long-ass number with googol digits but still a number). That includes all the data necessary to create your consciousness. Your consciousness at the current time is just the atoms in a particular state. Now, when you die your consciousness ceases to be, so the data is in a state that does not support consciousness. By necessity you don't experience that. So what happens if billions of trillions of years pass and the data through sheer randomness assembles to re-create the exact state necessary for your consciousness to exist as it was just before you died? Well, you keep existing then. What if instead of dying, you kept living just a fraction of a second longer? Then you're back to square one: once you die you don't experience the trillions of trillions of years where your consciousness doesnt' exist. You only experience that bit of time where the data assembles in the exact way to make your consciousness exist once again (especially with the recent news that big bang may not have been the beginning of the universe but just a continuation of a previous universe this becomes much more plausible). So you esentially repeat that ad-infinitum, each time from your point of view you never cease to exist (by necessity), from your point of view you live forever (though I suspect your memories, emotions, your senses and everything that makes you human will quickly deteriorate) You just keep existing and experiencing nothingness in perpetuity untill by sheer fucking luck, after half an infinity of years your consciousness happens to re-emerge inside an animal or some other creature. So not only we get to live forever, but we're force to live forever, and it's the worst kind of existence imaginable, and the microscopic time we have here on earth as humans is one of the best things we're gonna experience in our infinite lives. And if you think you can get away from this infinite torture by saying "well, that's be just another version of me": if the naturalistic world is all there is, and there's no spirits, that means that all you are is what's inside your brain, you are not any particular atom, which constantly goes in and out of your brain, your mind is a pattern, and like any pattern it can be replicated.

The death experience is typically traumatic, so tough to stay in, prove from a deconstructive mentality. It's noT a provable quantum reality, like zero. It's like voting for something you never wanted, the closer you get to that negative, The problem here is deconstructionism, it's - noT zero which is that release back to positive reality, consciousness, and that is the proof of life beyond death. Too simple is noT necessarily, too wrong, unless you choose it to be. Free will is relative, and lack of free will noT so relative.... ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-BtNxoLWGHoE.htmlsi=BJ3HxccYGCtkLQwF If you prove death, then decide you would have rather proved life, well that is the point in your conscious free will choice. My advice is simple choose to live rather than die, by never killing. Expand that to realize why compassion lives to save life, and create a utopia by sustaining life rather than deconstructing it to death.

I'm team Sam harris about consciousness. If you want to make sense of the world first you have to agree that you have an experience. When you actually look at the world and feel the wind and the sun on your skin and not judge it. Just accept it as it is, then you can call that a "spiritual" experience. No magic no science no thinking about what all this means no nothing. Just looking at things as they appear for you.

Before you were born did you know you were not born ? Same when your dead

Aronra is my god