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Do WHITE people belong in Hip Hop? w/ VAN LATHAN, KING LOS, GLASSES MALONE & MORE [Pt.1] | Clubhouse 

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Van Lathan started a room on clubhouse titled “Do white people belong in Hip Hop” which features Mouse Jones, Glasses Malone, King Los, Page Kennedy, Spank Horton, Bishop Brigante, and so many more. This is only part 1.... more voices chim in on the conversation... stay tuned!

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@kh7688
@kh7688 3 года назад
Mouse is racist, plain and simple. I don't want this fact to be lost on anyone.
@antarticp7477
@antarticp7477 2 года назад
sad but true either that or hes trolling ...
@paulstephens4858
@paulstephens4858 3 года назад
Are black people too comfortable in basket ball? James Naismith created basket ball and is white. Everyone keeps saying Jordan is the GOAT but he is a guest and can't be according to who created it. Must be Larry Bird.
@one_up907
@one_up907 3 года назад
Lmao you should add you're using sarcasm some ppl might take it seriously.
@one_up907
@one_up907 3 года назад
Lmao you should add you're using sarcasm some ppl might take it seriously.
@kh7688
@kh7688 3 года назад
This was so funny, this should be posted on every video that talks about hip-hop being only for Black people.
@justgamerz5315
@justgamerz5315 3 года назад
But why should he add he’s using sarcasm I don’t hear any sarcasm in mouse voice lol
@RK-ok1fl
@RK-ok1fl 3 года назад
They are
@johnwayne3566
@johnwayne3566 3 года назад
Mouse is crazy. I don’t love Eminem albums like that but I’m not gonna act like he’s not one of the best to rap on a microphone. Even the top rappers hold him high
@battlerapvindustryclowns2028
@battlerapvindustryclowns2028 3 года назад
But they're trying to deem him the God of rap. No one is questioning his rapping ability, but tell me something.....How many people do you know that says Redman is God of rap? How many top 10 list has Redman on it? He's not doing anything different, yet he has sold the most records, before him it was vanilla ice, before him it was the beastie boys. There's always been a white face at the top of hip-hop since it became mainstream in late 80s. Prove me wrong.
@ShawnWeeded510
@ShawnWeeded510 3 года назад
@@battlerapvindustryclowns2028 this is opinionated. If a bunch of people claim MF Doom is the God of Rap why would that be an issue? It should never have anything to do with race. Most of these people are not attracted the type of rap Mouse and people like you may be interested in but the fact that mouse can take more of an offense to white rappers rather than black rappers that disrespect thw artform everyday is more disgusting and more of an indication of being "to comfortable in rap" than any white rapper. Their are no limited number of spaces in rap and Mouses claim that black people can't be racist is clear proof of how much of a moron he is. He just heard some black guy who sounds smart say this shyt and didn't question it at all because the conclusion makes him comfortable.
@kh7688
@kh7688 3 года назад
@@ShawnWeeded510 Facts.
@superdopehiphop
@superdopehiphop 3 года назад
99% of the illest emcees (500-1000 known and underground + battlers etc) ever on record saying Em one of the nicest ever and 90% of those emcees are not white!
@Black_Jus202
@Black_Jus202 2 года назад
@@superdopehiphop I'm getting tired of hearing this narrative... To openly say your not feeling him at the time was to openly cut your self out of white America's sales you committed career suicide going against him not because of his skill level but the amount of money behind him dre and 50 backing him and his skin color. Rappers gave PC answers to those questions to not lose the white fan base, I take those statements and interviews with a grain of salt
@xavierjanvier4975
@xavierjanvier4975 3 года назад
Mindsets like mouse holding us back, man.. 💯
@kiara4082
@kiara4082 3 года назад
Yeah your right I bet he got his name MOUSE because his thinking capacity is the size of one
@WilloPR
@WilloPR 3 года назад
"We are prejudice... but that's not racism" *Looks up the definition of racism* Racism: The Oxford Dictionary defines it as, "Prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism directed against someone of a different race based on the belief that one's own race is superior."
@kh7688
@kh7688 3 года назад
They tried to weasel out of it by bringing in economics lol. The definition is there for a reason. Black people can and have been racist. Someone from every race has been racist towards another, it exists and will always exist. Case in point, Mouse.
@gangstagrandpa77gaming96
@gangstagrandpa77gaming96 3 года назад
They tried to make up their own definition of the word ...shits crazy bro ...I'm so glad I'm a mixed 43 yr old I grew up dealing with all this crap
@lochofmceo
@lochofmceo 3 года назад
Because our history gives us a right to feel a way about white ppl while whites just hate us for being black
@NKWTI
@NKWTI 3 года назад
@@lochofmceo Looks more like a convenient excuse to normalize acceptance for hateful toxicity so that you can abandon all responsibility for being that kind of a person while everyone pats you on the back for taking on other people who are the same kind of racist scum bags you are to begin with. You can change the socially accepted perception of the definition all you want, but at the end of the day, you and every other racist are internally the same kind of people in actual objective reality...and objective reality in its solitude doesn't care about your subjective view or spin on the matter.
@WilloPR
@WilloPR 3 года назад
@@lochofmceo My history as a Puerto Rican gives me the right to "feel a way" about both white and blacks. Do I hate them? no... your ancestors were enslaved for what? 200 years? mine were enslaved for almost 500 years. Do I hate them? no! I judge people by their character not their skin tone and you should too. It will make you a better person.
@b-rye223
@b-rye223 3 года назад
Mouse has such a limiting mindset
@Mrs.L.44
@Mrs.L.44 3 года назад
A mouse can only see what is in front of their nose. They miss the big picture.
@b-rye223
@b-rye223 3 года назад
@@Mrs.L.44 Thats a bar
@Mrs.L.44
@Mrs.L.44 3 года назад
@@b-rye223 LOL
@battlerapvindustryclowns2028
@battlerapvindustryclowns2028 3 года назад
No he's speaking facts, which is why yall here thumbing it down.
@b-rye223
@b-rye223 3 года назад
@@battlerapvindustryclowns2028 I'd ask you to elaborate, but it'll probably just be some argument with no logic behind it.
@berg1287
@berg1287 3 года назад
Man I can't stand mouse...
@NKWTI
@NKWTI 3 года назад
He's a toxic douche and he's really high and mighty...feeling himself as well. He thinks he's Mr. King Intellectual
@FuccYew
@FuccYew 3 года назад
Your bow tie explains why
@berg1287
@berg1287 3 года назад
@@FuccYew lol thats all you could come up with? 🤣🤣🤣
@Black_Jus202
@Black_Jus202 3 года назад
@@FuccYew all skin folk ain't kin folk my brother
@FuccYew
@FuccYew 3 года назад
@@Black_Jus202 damn right. Lost brothers love tearing down their own.
@kramericaindustries65
@kramericaindustries65 3 года назад
When they say blacks can't be racist smh
@donwilk9196
@donwilk9196 3 года назад
Makes no sense ...They said you have to have power to be racist...How does a poor white person living next to a poor black person have more power....🤦‍♂️
@floralkami2860
@floralkami2860 3 года назад
That was so fucking stupid. They think prejudice based on a person's race isn't racism when that is the exact definition of racism.
@rodneywonder91
@rodneywonder91 3 года назад
Black peoples can’t be racists 🤷🏾‍♂️
@kermitdathug3953
@kermitdathug3953 3 года назад
@@rodneywonder91 Do you know the definition of racism?
@danielhall1226
@danielhall1226 3 года назад
Comparing black people talking shit to centuries of institutionalized systemic white supremacy is asinine to say the least. Let's not conflate mean words and isolated instances to state sanctioned anti-black legislation and societal traditions. Smh
@justgamerz5315
@justgamerz5315 3 года назад
When I try and search who this mouse guy is all imma get is Mickey Mouse clubhouse 🤣
@will_sketch
@will_sketch 3 года назад
😅 Same
@michaelryan1597
@michaelryan1597 3 года назад
Lol. I think it’s mouse jones
@one_up907
@one_up907 3 года назад
He wish he was as popular as Mickey Mouse.
@Ahijah
@Ahijah 3 года назад
His a puffy daddy affiliate which is funny considering puffy tried to make mgk their new Eminem 😱😭
@kh7688
@kh7688 3 года назад
@@Ahijah looool
@johniswinning
@johniswinning 3 года назад
Jay-Z called it best. A losers mentailty
@khirylowry9007
@khirylowry9007 3 года назад
Could you elaborate.
@johniswinning
@johniswinning 3 года назад
Jay Z said in a interview when asked if he would be where he was at if biggie and pac was alive. And he said something to the affect that yea he really couldn't be stop. And that thinking someone is in your way because of any reason is a losers mentality.
@Meatman360
@Meatman360 3 года назад
Systemic Racism and Personal Racism are two different things but yes black folks can be racist too....
@lochofmceo
@lochofmceo 3 года назад
But our "racism" doesn't affect white ppl' s life overall
@NKWTI
@NKWTI 3 года назад
@@lochofmceo Okay, and you're okay with sharing the same kind of internal racism that people like KKK and neo nazi's have? You still lose and are a loser because your insides are the same in that regard, you can't hide from it just because progressive society gives you a pass, you're still as worthless for being the kinda person in your heart and head as any white supremacist. Thoughts and intention matter to who you are as a person, even if you don't know your maker is listening. What you feel and carry for other people is still who you are and you can't get by making excuses for yourself or exempting yourself from being just as evil as other groups of people that speak with the same words out of your mouth that they do about you.
@lochofmceo
@lochofmceo 3 года назад
@@NKWTI I'm not religious.where was my maker then during 400 yrs of slavery?was it listening then?
@lochofmceo
@lochofmceo 3 года назад
@@NKWTI I don't want supremacy.I want equality and we don't get equality.we are treated differently.
@NKWTI
@NKWTI 3 года назад
@@lochofmceo More selfishness as usual, your maker isn't obligated to save you from horrible experiences. This whole world is a witness to what people do and act like when they are left to their own devices. To force action is to create robotic puppets, we have free will...so our authentication process must play out untouched, otherwise our actions aren't genuine. Just because you weren't saved from slavery doesn't mean he wasn't there, it means the day of reckoning will not be a good time for those who perpetrate such things when all has been completed in the world, and we are not there yet.
@911wasdonebyfukinturtles9
@911wasdonebyfukinturtles9 3 года назад
Never ever include mouse in anything again
@battlerapvindustryclowns2028
@battlerapvindustryclowns2028 3 года назад
He's speaking facts
@swedishguy83
@swedishguy83 3 года назад
@@battlerapvindustryclowns2028 So I take it you do not use or have opinions on cars, right? The automobile was invented by Karl Benz (a german) so technically cars are part of German culture. So if you don't have any german ancestry you need to return whatever car you are driving because that culture does not belong to you.
@battlerapvindustryclowns2028
@battlerapvindustryclowns2028 3 года назад
@@swedishguy83 That would be the case if people were saying that Caucasian can't be consumer's of hip-hop 》music《 due to them not being African-American. I am a huge fan of the series Vikings. Also have a huge interest in Norse mythology. I am a consumer, I pay to know about their culture. I know I am not of that culture, so I am not going to add Viking traditions or inherit their ways into my life. I have my own culture, but simply being interested in the history of another culture, is not an issue. But if I were to go to Denmark/ Scandinavia and turn a profit with some off-brand version of Scandipop or black metal or nordic folk music. How do you think they would take that? How do you think they would feel if my annoying dumb fanbase, starts calling me the savior of their arts?
@battlerapvindustryclowns2028
@battlerapvindustryclowns2028 3 года назад
@@swedishguy83 Also what is so hard to admit that Eminem is benefiting from his Caucasianess? Yall go out of your way to not admit this, and it makes you look like the biggest assholes ever. I can admit that if no AAs were in any sport, I wouldn't be a consumer. I can say with confidence that Jordan's wouldn't have sold in any stores in AA communities if he wasn't AA. There's a reason why the NBA partnered with The ABA. Certain group of people, rock with certain people for obvious reasons. That's not to say that the artist not talented, just that it may seem better coming from their mouths, than the alternative. This is why Ghostwriters were created, and why authors use to keep their genders, and race hidden. You guys seem to be the only people who have trouble admitting this. Even Asian people know that they chose Yao Ming. He was the second most popular player in the NBA, and his jerseys sells was next to Kobe. He made the Allstars game even when he wasn't close to the best that year. There was a lot of Chinese consumers because of Yao Ming, and they didn't hide it for a second.
@thokchomb3
@thokchomb3 3 года назад
America will never overcome the racist issue even in next 20 years....its the only country where i have seen people being called as white black yellow brown.................only sound exaggerated but its how it is...................even public figures debate on topics like this ...........its sad
@NKWTI
@NKWTI 3 года назад
Yep, been saying it for years here in the US, but you guessed it...I'm racist if I suggest moving on is the only answer instead of dissecting every little microscopic subgroup of humans and behaviors into categories, etc.
@Black_Jus202
@Black_Jus202 3 года назад
What other country is this diverse with a history of violence and oppression towards blacks?
@thokchomb3
@thokchomb3 3 года назад
@@Black_Jus202 not only black ppl have faced oppression i am indian we got history with British.........koreans got history with their other self and japan but Americans even in 2020 is having those issues
@fuzekle
@fuzekle 3 года назад
@@Black_Jus202 British and french, germany, all had their colonies and they have a large group of black, asian and other people in their countries, yet nobody gives a shit and nobody is making such a huge fucking deal about it. Sure theres racism everywhere but me coming from europe I can agree that I have yet to see another country like the US who keep on having this name calling, angry disputes and just cannot move past it
@Black_Jus202
@Black_Jus202 3 года назад
@@fuzekle Your not qualified to speak on American issues. I'm not replying to non Americans you have no idea what you are speaking of we don't care what yall do overseas where the black population isn't even close to what it is here
@leonkastilyo7463
@leonkastilyo7463 3 года назад
mouse critiquing and didn't even listen properly to em's songs smh
@cbascomb
@cbascomb 3 года назад
Who the hell is mouse jones, why he thinks that music is exclusive to a specific race.
@user-ik5ze1sh7i
@user-ik5ze1sh7i 3 года назад
Because he's a radical and has hate in his spirit
@battlerapvindustryclowns2028
@battlerapvindustryclowns2028 3 года назад
He's a part of the culture
@kh7688
@kh7688 3 года назад
@@battlerapvindustryclowns2028 How the fuck you gonna say Mouse is part of the culture? But won't say Em is? Em has done more for the culture than a 1000 Mouse's, over a 1000 years ever will.
@daddyjarhead3380
@daddyjarhead3380 3 года назад
Mouse ain't hip-hop. He can go chill with Dave Mays somewhere. "Goofballs"
@GorejusBand
@GorejusBand 3 года назад
"if i was black i woulda sold half" Eminem said that. he knows bro.
@ZenoGoreng
@ZenoGoreng 3 года назад
Isn’t half still more than almost everyone else? 😅 I get your point, just wanted to say that.
@PapeySapote
@PapeySapote 3 года назад
But blacks would be backing him though. Rakim said if em was black he’d be the Ali of rap
@youcantberacisttowardswhit3917
@youcantberacisttowardswhit3917 3 года назад
@@PapeySapote ok and
@kevinzhang6623
@kevinzhang6623 Год назад
They can't say shit to Eminem because they know he's as good as MC's get. Instead, they attack how other people see him. To what fucking point? Going "no, no you can't have that opinion because i don't like it" Hahaha nothing can change how people in hip hop actually think of Eminem and your single opinion, making it as whiney as it can be doesn't do shit or extend to other people. Everyone who already opposes it opposes you even more, and only galvanizes the people who ALREADY agree with you.
@mandlabrazeler7578
@mandlabrazeler7578 3 года назад
So u have to be rich to be racist?....wat?
@NKWTI
@NKWTI 3 года назад
Nah, cause they expand their bullshit concept to even include poor white people because even if you are dirt poor "the black experience is worse and you're still benefiting from a privilege 'we' don't have." So, even in that scenario, white people still "have it better." Even if objectively some white dude had a way rougher and less privileged life than a black person did, they'll just dismiss that. This is how crazy the left has gotten. I hate to bring politics into this...but these social concepts we are speaking of is exclusively democratic/liberal in nature and origin or "progressive." Enjoy society!
@ariakahn
@ariakahn 3 года назад
When someone says all Eminem raps about is killing his mother.. I stop listening to their argument cuz you know they never actually listened to Eminem.
@korruptnovellst4751
@korruptnovellst4751 3 года назад
You too pretty to listen to Eminem.
@ariakahn
@ariakahn 3 года назад
@@korruptnovellst4751 lmaoo i dont know how i shud take this but nahh i love eminem tho
@korruptnovellst4751
@korruptnovellst4751 3 года назад
@@ariakahn what's your IG? I'll explain it fully
@GrimGuardian
@GrimGuardian 3 года назад
Eminem is the best idc who says anything
@traonally9136
@traonally9136 3 года назад
@@korruptnovellst4751 Eminem raps about things that are relatable other than what you trying to make his songs out to be like here: 1. Drugs, Prescription or Powder 2. About baby mama drama 3. Cheating & Trifling partner/wife 4. His love for his kids 5. Growing up in a abusive environment 6. Growing up in the hood 7. Sex and Hoes 8. The Government, George Bush, Dick Cheney & wife, Al Gore & wife, Bill Clinton, Trump & Family about policies that affect you as an American 9. Guns and weapons of mass destruction 10. Betrayal & backstabbing 11. Chopping up bitches, killing your mama and phoofie the dog, okay that is crazy shit but lets be for real your parents piss you off so much you wish something happen to them that is why he said it 12. Motivational songs to pick yourself up and maximize your potential, to never give up 13. About being mistreated like shit growing up in the hood cos he white 14. Rapping about being broke are poor 15. Being bullied in school 16. Toxic relationship 17. Honoring the pioneers of rap/Hip-Hop music Have you even try hearing songs from him like Rock Bottom, If I Had, Say Goodbye, Role Model, Who knew, Beautiful, Careful What You Wish For, Difficult, Headlights, Cleaning Out My Closet, Bad Husband, In Your Head, Castle, Arose, Stepping Stones, Like Toy Soldiers, Sing For The Moment, White America, We As Americans, Mosh and the list goes so how about you try to listen to Eminem but other than that shut up if you don't know what you talking about 🤦🏿‍♂️
@strk3rmta224
@strk3rmta224 3 года назад
Who are they to discuss who and what is HipHop? And mouse is one racist fool. Practice what you preach.
@ShadStu804
@ShadStu804 3 года назад
Mouse so ignorant he hard to listen too
@will_sketch
@will_sketch 3 года назад
Growing up in the hip hop Mecca, I’ve seen White people doing street art, dancing, deejays, the whole nine. But once they sell more, get mainstream media attention, some Blacks want them gone. Shits crazy. On top of that, can we stop talking about the “killing your mother” music to define Eminem. He’s got 20+ years of content and the haters run back to 2 or 3 songs. Ridiculous
@kh7688
@kh7688 3 года назад
"That's why I fucked yo bitch, you fat motherfucker" It's like saying Pac's discography is all about fucking Biggie's wife. It's actually that stupid.
@Power-9Hunnid
@Power-9Hunnid 3 года назад
The raps about his daughter and depression, shots at pop music culture and other celebrities, hip-hop easter eggs and comedic energy get ignored with Eminem.
@will_sketch
@will_sketch 3 года назад
@@kh7688 Exactly.
@will_sketch
@will_sketch 3 года назад
@@Power-9Hunnid Add to that, the technical rhyme schemes & punchlines within punchlines that some people still don't catch. Dude's got party tracks worthy of the club, gangster music and pop hits. Nah, they need to leave him alone.
@iammayabae8196
@iammayabae8196 3 года назад
I’m from the boogie down Bronx and what u are saying is bullshit’ black folk and some Spanish folk are the primordial ppl that are creating within hip hop
@beastmode1980434
@beastmode1980434 3 года назад
When you look up the definition of racism, the 1st word that pops up is prejudice. "prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism directed against a person or people on the basis of their membership in a particular racial or ethnic group, typically one that is a minority or marginalized the belief that different races possess distinct characteristics, abilities, or qualities, especially so as to distinguish them as inferior or superior to one another. As black ppl in America we don't have the power to implement systemic racism. But anybody can be racist.
@alternativemedia7114
@alternativemedia7114 3 года назад
That is the new definition from the liberal art class... Diversity Glossary? GTFOH. The world is laughin at you.
@beastmode1980434
@beastmode1980434 3 года назад
@@alternativemedia7114 What the fuck do you call hating someone based on the color of their skin then ? You fuckin idiot
@alternativemedia7114
@alternativemedia7114 3 года назад
@@beastmode1980434 Get the real definition of racism and stop hiding behind the fals statement that black people cant be racists.
@beastmode1980434
@beastmode1980434 3 года назад
@@alternativemedia7114 What ? I'm saying the complete opposite. I'm saying anybody can be racist by definition.
@kermitdathug3953
@kermitdathug3953 3 года назад
Mickey Mouse don't know a god damn thing. He says he listened to SSLP and MMLP and says he can only rap fast and have shock value. The Way I Am? Rock Bottom? Kill You? Criminal? Guilty Conscience? Stan? I dont even feel like I have to keep listing songs. All those song showcase incredible lyricism and great subject matters. Especially Rock Bottom, Guilty Conscience, and Stan. Kill You and Criminal is just lyricism and shock value. Kill You had that incredible alliteration. They say they know what they're talking about but they really don't. I saw someone hating and act like they know who Em is, but didn't even know he had songs with Wayne. That literally says it all.
@NKWTI
@NKWTI 3 года назад
Rock Bottom is absolutely nuts. One of my favs.
@MrSmolCrocs
@MrSmolCrocs 3 года назад
Rock Bottom, Sing For The Moment, Like Toy Soldiers, Beautiful. I mean it all comes down to you not knowing Em’s catalogue lol
@kermitdathug3953
@kermitdathug3953 3 года назад
@@NKWTI yeah. One of his best in my opinion
@kermitdathug3953
@kermitdathug3953 3 года назад
@@MrSmolCrocs Exactly. I could've kept listing but I seriously doubt I needed to. I also only named SSLP and MMLP songs since apparently Mickey Mouse said he listened to those. I seriously doubt it.
@charlesstovall1467
@charlesstovall1467 3 года назад
Some of them need to watch Hip hop Evolution on netflix. The fore father himself explains it
@sjr-ul5zg
@sjr-ul5zg 2 года назад
I’ve been watching this recently, I love it.
@teewhyeee
@teewhyeee 3 года назад
it's crazy how no one sees how racist mouse is
@206EmeraldCity
@206EmeraldCity 2 года назад
he’s isn’t tho
@thegamereaper5730
@thegamereaper5730 3 года назад
Want racism to end? Don't think like Mouse or King Los or anybody in this room other than Van Lathan. Rap shouldn't divide us. Eminem got me into rap which led me to listen to all thr black rappers I listen to now. So Eminem graced me with hip hop which is why Em deserves a room in the house of hip hop. I am a young black man that doesn't know a lot of hip.hop culture but ik it shouldn't belong to anyone.
@leeloodallas5814
@leeloodallas5814 3 года назад
Did I miss something ? When did Mouse jones got elected as President of the hip hop culture ? Can’t believe what I’m hearing right now. Some real important figures of hip hop should step in that small minded and one sided debate and stop this before they spread their hate and affect the culture for real.
@maniac90sm
@maniac90sm 3 года назад
Mouse is no gate keeper, fam thinks by virtue of the fact that he's black he's entitled some ownership of the culture, nope. That gate keeper status is reserved for those that add/contribute to the culture, for everybody else admission is free... Rap is a genre/form of music belonging for the most part to Hip-Hop which is itself a culture and lifestyle devoid of a price tag... a way of life with a price is a fad. An if it has no price, it can never truly be brought/sold, therefore it can never truly be owned solely by anyone but rather collectively by everybody that wishes to contribute/participate. Question: if a graffiti writer bombs a wall or does a memorial piece for a fallen rapper, is it never truly Hip-Hop until we determine the writer's race?
@shon7425
@shon7425 3 года назад
And he thinks what he says is all true
@youcantberacisttowardswhit3917
@youcantberacisttowardswhit3917 3 года назад
@@shon7425 it is
@anthonycasella3072
@anthonycasella3072 3 года назад
Hey I'm not rscist because look I just changed the definition racist. Ta Da! So you created the culture, hold the vast majority of spots in the culture but you still don't have enough power to be racist within the confines of hip hop. Make sure you stretch before attempting this Olympic level mental gymnastics. Stop carry water for a victim culture.
@MitchConnor420
@MitchConnor420 3 года назад
People saying Eminem is too comfortable? He's the biggest music icon alive, not just hip hop music today period, with all this mumble shit floating up from people who subsitute talent with face tats, autotune, and ghostwriters and the realist relavent hip hop artist right now is a 47 year old white guy.... that alone should open people's eyes to the sorry state of hip hop... Ems been among the top lyricists since he debuted. Em got the "Hell Yeah" from Dre, he should feel comfortable in hip hop he was invited by a legend of an O.G and Ems been keeping real lyricism alive for 25 years and has helped build and grow hip hop as an art form and keep in it alive while the newer generation hasn't...(excluding Joyner) he's earned his place and the respect of almost all the O.Gs of hip hop and it wouldnt be what it is without him, facts.... so who cares what some young buck, No talent hacks, chasing paper with no respect for the art mumble rappers think frfrf....
@stephenchavez5318
@stephenchavez5318 3 года назад
The fact that they wanted to discredit what the PIONEERS told him what it was made fir tells you everything you need to know. They mold the conversation to fit their own beliefs and what they want. Smh
@youcantberacisttowardswhit3917
@youcantberacisttowardswhit3917 3 года назад
You basically described colonizers
@brandonhutchons8622
@brandonhutchons8622 3 года назад
Sad these people even have the stage. It’s embarrassing black people everywhere bc these bad apples. Anyone can be racist and these people, mainly mouse is racist
@NKWTI
@NKWTI 3 года назад
If you notice, most of the people saying this shit are a bunch of nobodies. They are bitter and the idea that Eminem is "taking up space" when there are tons of successful black rappers that young white kids today run to over Eminem because they consider him "old school" is proof that this is bullshit. It also shows us that these dudes are bitter that they ain't shit in their careers at that level so we gotta blame someone that isn't "one of them."
@gbiggaveli2564
@gbiggaveli2564 3 года назад
@@NKWTI If Nas was white there wouldn't be a eminem 😂😂😂
@gbiggaveli2564
@gbiggaveli2564 3 года назад
@@NKWTI Sounds good but fact remains if Eminem wasn't white he wouldn't of gone that far if Rakim & Nas were white they wouldn't be a eminem 😂😂
@954buggy
@954buggy 3 года назад
@@gbiggaveli2564 but Rakim said that Em would be the Ali of hip hop if he was black 🤫
@gbiggaveli2564
@gbiggaveli2564 3 года назад
@@954buggy Rakim just a OG who doesn't wanna come off as a hater tbh get Rakim in like a podcast like Drink champs and see if he got the same answer 8 shots later 😂😂 Nas is a Rakim 2.0 Em he just a really good rapper raps a whole bunch of nothings for the most part Nas is a MC he connects in a different way and makes songs like a perspective of a fucking Gun as if it was a real person and paints the picture so well you'll feel like you was there....
@ibeatu
@ibeatu 3 года назад
Mouse is hella racist surprised these dudes don’t call him on it
@rodneywonder91
@rodneywonder91 3 года назад
😂😂
@kh7688
@kh7688 3 года назад
Imagine being too scared to call out a bitch like Mouse lol. It's hilarious to me.
@traycooksjr8220
@traycooksjr8220 3 года назад
How is he racist? I’m trying to understand this a black man with a strong opinion is racist
@ibeatu
@ibeatu 3 года назад
@@traycooksjr8220 because it has nothing to do with anything but race hence being racist he don’t care about Eminem or any other white rapper he says they should remove them from hip hop like he’s someone of importance how would he feel if white people or anyone but black people could buy hip hop music how quick it would fail
@ibeatu
@ibeatu 3 года назад
@@traycooksjr8220 watch Stevie knight review on it so u can see a black man also saying he’s racist
@Dannyaveragegamer
@Dannyaveragegamer 3 года назад
Mouse 🐁 most racist person with a platform I’ve ever heard.
@parabartje
@parabartje 3 года назад
This shit is way too funny... hypocryte life struggles....😂😂👌🏼👌🏼
@terranmoore4924
@terranmoore4924 3 года назад
Who is Mouse??
@kh7688
@kh7688 3 года назад
Nobody. Oh and trust me, nothing he says is gonna affect white people or people of any other colour from succeeding in Hip-Hop.
@NKWTI
@NKWTI 3 года назад
He's a rat in disguise
@dr3uu
@dr3uu 3 года назад
Yo MOUSE is a brick wall of IGNORANCE
@terrancejacobs1274
@terrancejacobs1274 3 года назад
Ain’t prejudice against another person color racist??
@lyfestile7
@lyfestile7 3 года назад
We can't control who participates in the culture but we can control who we endorse, support and pay attention to.
@rjpompa2678
@rjpompa2678 3 года назад
Correct me if I’m wrong. Rap was just poetry that has changed over the course of time.
@Black_Jus202
@Black_Jus202 3 года назад
Your wrong... I swear as easy as you can post some bs you can go read and do some research. Reading is fundamental
@danielv9459
@danielv9459 3 года назад
Rap is an acronym (R)hythm (A)nd (P)oetry
@Black_Jus202
@Black_Jus202 3 года назад
@@danielv9459 Man if you don't sit your pop locking ass down 🤣🤣🤣
@mgd9151
@mgd9151 2 года назад
@@Black_Jus202 thnks for that
@jon8530
@jon8530 3 года назад
Mouse about to get caught in a trap.
@revolvingal3x
@revolvingal3x 3 года назад
Where's cancel culture when you need em? Cancel this Mouse/Rat clown.
@vendeezel
@vendeezel 3 года назад
Mouse's beef should be more with the institutions than the artists who participate. Those are 2 different classes of ppl with 2 completely different motivations and agendas. An Eminem is more likely 2 be an ally 4 what Mouse takes issue with than an adversary.
@edwindigital4598
@edwindigital4598 3 года назад
He's too ignorant to understand the difference
@donaldb93
@donaldb93 3 года назад
Facts
@py3012
@py3012 3 года назад
jealousy is a disease you should see a doctor
@AnthonyLorenzen
@AnthonyLorenzen 3 года назад
I hate this whole topic of White people in hip-hop. Basketball was created by white people, does that make POC guests in basketball? does that mean Kobe, Jordan, and Lebron cant be considered 3 of the best to ever step foot on a basketball court? No. They proved they are 3 of the best by putting in the work and being 3 of the best to ever step foot on a basketball court. Should we not consider them basketball players since it was a sport created by white people like Apathy cant consider himself hip-hop because hes white? Is Jordan a culture vulture because he played baseball too? Is Bo Jackson a culture vulture because he played football and baseball? does that take away from how good they were at both sports? smh...
@tadatay8059
@tadatay8059 3 года назад
This shit is super sad and hella racist... Music is for everybody....
@bentait5086
@bentait5086 3 года назад
Man this makes me sick. Wtf is Mouse? I tried googling him but still can't find him. And if Google doesn't know...
@raingamzimik324
@raingamzimik324 3 года назад
I tried too... Didn't find the punk...
@hnnsy
@hnnsy Год назад
This may be the highest number of racists on one conference call I've ever heard.
@LuisFigueroa-fe5gz
@LuisFigueroa-fe5gz 3 года назад
Puertorrican and black invented it not only black
@vendeezel
@vendeezel 3 года назад
From where Apathy's argument is based, I think that valididates something that has been core 2 Hip Hop from it’s inception which can be summed up in a variant of a simple and ubiquitous adage: "You can take white ppl out of Hip Hop but u can't take Hip Hop out of a white person." Culture can't be based around color because culture is composed of principles, philosophies, customs and traditions. What color is authenticity? What color is technique? What color is knowledge? What color is break dancing? What color is struggle and oppression? What color is revolution? What color is passion? What color is MCing? What color is cadence? What color is slang and dialect? What color is a bop?
@Rajiin
@Rajiin 3 года назад
Sound like a buncha racism too me 😂
@superdopehiphop
@superdopehiphop 3 года назад
Why do ppl act like anything Mouse says has any credence? He’s an actual clown who literally said he hasn’t listened to Em. He said “Em has never said something ILL.” yet you can tell he’s never listened to something like that. 99% of ALL the ILL emcees revere Em as one of the illest nicest GOAT lyricist but I’m supposed to care what Mouse Jones says? 🤣
@ubbiay
@ubbiay 3 года назад
Mouse is a racist and another pissed off rapper who never made it.
@DadeHudson93
@DadeHudson93 3 года назад
I feel like that comments on racism and black people not being able to be racist was false. when it comes to this subject matter and mainly this subject matter only, black ppls words and opinions on hip hop have more weight than any other race.That can be seen as power over other people. If all these years have taught us anything it's that racial privilege is easily overlooked, whether black white hispanic or Asian
@DRACE4D
@DRACE4D 3 года назад
People that belong in REAL hip hop: Rakim, KRS One, Tupac, Eminem, Jay-Z, 50 Cent. People that belong in IGNORANT hip hop : Mouse . Never heard of this Mouse dude, He claims to be hip hop but to me he just sounds like he is more of a trip hop dude. This dude acts like his words are the law but his arguments are easily to debunk. To crush this dudes silly arguments I will only say this: Everybody that loves hip hop knows were it came from. Everybody knows that hip hop is global and thus for everyone to see and to like. Everyone that knows hip hop knows that there are black people that are going to hate that a white rapper could be considered the best rapper ever. Claiming that he just takes space from black rappers while in these times with all the social media avaiable you could easily gain some succes IF YOU HAVE SOMETHING THAT IS HOT. Mouse is NOT hip hop. He just a dude with some limited knowledgement and a high ego that thinks his thoughts are the truth. Mouse, just open your third eye and do not be an ignorant know-it-all.
@kevinzhang6623
@kevinzhang6623 Год назад
If Em was black, you absolutely would know who he is because he wouldn't have endured all that racism who despite being WELL above the threshhold of a great rapper, was overlooked and put down the entire time he was coming up until he got Dr. Dre's attention. He had to be twice as better than everyone else just because of the color of his skin. I'm fucking tired of these ignorant opinions being so highlighted when the majority of people in hip hop see the truth.
@mikegabe5495
@mikegabe5495 3 года назад
Mouse really needs to do some research.. 1Love
@Art-vc3ne
@Art-vc3ne 3 года назад
Is this mouse part of cancell cult?
@connorwalker2297
@connorwalker2297 3 года назад
Dude doesn't even know the origin of rap lol
@trackatlas6626
@trackatlas6626 3 года назад
I know, right? Dude said hip hop was created as a protest. GTFO.
@thehacker40_1
@thehacker40_1 3 года назад
You know you gonna hear a bunch of black racists when they all say Black cant be racists.
@flyone3918
@flyone3918 3 года назад
If em ain’t hip hop then what genre is he?
@kidflash2224
@kidflash2224 3 года назад
The most disrespectful chat
@bluestratos1901
@bluestratos1901 3 года назад
I still don't understand the "taking up space" part considering a lot of artist stay underground because they're not given their fair shake in the game....
@thesquirtlesquad842
@thesquirtlesquad842 3 года назад
Stop using the past to judge the future
@alexanderhowcroft8779
@alexanderhowcroft8779 3 года назад
When you say you're not gonna explain the point because if you dont get the point you wont get the point. Wow gonna help change people's minds 🙄
@daddyjarhead3380
@daddyjarhead3380 3 года назад
Mouse has NEVER listened to Eminem
@reinaortiz6057
@reinaortiz6057 3 года назад
💯
@kh7688
@kh7688 3 года назад
Fact.
@sergioescarfuller8941
@sergioescarfuller8941 3 года назад
Bro right. Em literally made his intro to Eminem Show (White America) about acknowledging his white privilege and how it reflects the systemic fuckery in the country. Em has been so self aware and careful with black culture.
@daddyjarhead3380
@daddyjarhead3380 3 года назад
Also, Critique the things you have actual knowledge about, Anytime someone begins a Critique of Marshall Mathers with a statement like "I can't relate to wanting to kill my mom and taking pills" It's a dead giveaway that they have NEVER listened to Em and probably don't LISTEN to their favorite rappers
@traycooksjr8220
@traycooksjr8220 3 года назад
@@daddyjarhead3380 so how can we relate? Culturally in the black community our mothers are the back bone the strength and foundation.
@Dys_phoria
@Dys_phoria 3 года назад
These conversations are twisted af, there are things created by other race and blacks are taking space (as per their language) but I think if u have talent and respect u can choose any art u want. Take all of that u got a broken community. Far as mouse goes he is a clown, dude said he do research and speaks straight subjective trash
@DocFear
@DocFear 3 года назад
Can anyone tell me who Mouse is or why his opinion is even relevant? I never heard of this dude aside from his race based Eminem hatred
@Mrs.L.44
@Mrs.L.44 3 года назад
I hear Mouse is P Diddy’s cousin. Are all of these people publicly dismissing Em tied to Diddy in some way?
@ghostwriter1848
@ghostwriter1848 3 года назад
This shit is disgraceful...we cant elevate if we do the same stuff we speak out against.smh
@CRE8TIVE_AU
@CRE8TIVE_AU 3 года назад
I don't get it.Its like saying lewis Hamilton is taking up space to clear up young white kids to have a chance to succeed and being world champion.Now by me saying this is racist or prejudice? Looking forward to someone can reply..If we all want equality then this is not the way it will always be separation .saying white people don't understand about racism is rubbish.I understand more than what all you do about racism.
@B3eRp0nGM4sAcre
@B3eRp0nGM4sAcre 2 года назад
A year later and Mouse is still the most racist person I've ever had the displeasure of listening to. I honestly don't know how someone so hateful and ignorant can be allowed on any type of platform. I'm thankful for people like Stevie Knight. Gives me some kinda hope for humanity.
@206EmeraldCity
@206EmeraldCity 2 года назад
We can’t be racist towards the people who invented it stay mad mayo boy
@B3eRp0nGM4sAcre
@B3eRp0nGM4sAcre 2 года назад
@@206EmeraldCity lmao. What's it like living in fantasy land? I'm curious 🤔
@206EmeraldCity
@206EmeraldCity 2 года назад
@@B3eRp0nGM4sAcre what it is like to hate hearing the truth
@B3eRp0nGM4sAcre
@B3eRp0nGM4sAcre 2 года назад
@@206EmeraldCity Watch Stevie Knights video on Royce defending Em against Mouse and Dave and then come back and say that. Maybe it'll help you leave la la land, although I highly doubt it.
@206EmeraldCity
@206EmeraldCity 2 года назад
@@B3eRp0nGM4sAcre Royce is a washed up rapper with no hits try again mayo boy 😆😆😆
@gagekeeling6216
@gagekeeling6216 3 года назад
11:10 said it all niggas mad cause Em became better than most of the black rappers in the game cause he's white... Everthing he saying is wrong he just reaching for that race card if white rappers had it so easy in tha game why is Eminem the biggest white rapper out wouldnt their be more
@daddyjarhead3380
@daddyjarhead3380 3 года назад
"way too comfortable" ? Mouse is incapable of making me uncomfortable ANYWHERE. He just doesn't matter. And yes, even in his own hood
@ZenoGoreng
@ZenoGoreng 3 года назад
People have been fighting against segregation and now some of these people (especially Mouse) want to segregate hip hop. Of course it was created by black people. That can be acknowledged and has to be respected, but does that mean only people with a certain skin color can be a part of it? Alexander Graham Bell invented the telephone. Get rid of your iPhone or Samsung phone or whatever you have on you then, if that’s how you decide who can be a part of what.
@adamagreen
@adamagreen 3 года назад
This rhetoric is so annoying. and it’s never actually about the music. They can’t even see their own racism. Like STFU and stop Gatekeeping the culture. If you don’t like a artist don’t listen to them, but to say someone shouldn’t belong in a genre because of race? Like really, y’all grown men. Get of the couch, get a job or and go record a song.
@RoryFox28
@RoryFox28 3 года назад
Mouse may not be racist but he sure as fuck is prejudice
@indyfreeman7172
@indyfreeman7172 3 года назад
Should black people be allowed in the nba, should black people be allowed in the NFL, should black people be allowed to play in the English premier league soccer, should black people be allowed to be philosophers, should black people be allowed to play classical music, should black people be allowed to compete in the Olympics, yes they should and so should every other race, it doesn't matter who created what, everyone should be allowed in it regardless of race, sex or anything else... black, white, asain, we all people, this shit is so wack. It doesn't matter what race you are, being racist is possible and it's not okay. Saying it's impossible for black people to he racist is racist within itself. This conversation is completely illogical some of these blokes are the definition of racist.
@youcantberacisttowardswhit3917
@youcantberacisttowardswhit3917 3 года назад
Should colonizers be allowed in America?
@googleuser7126
@googleuser7126 3 года назад
I'm confused, does anyone look at sports today? I feel like the majority is black so that's not relevant today. Yes years ago I'll agree to that but not today, it's 2021 correct culture has been here.
@gunneraitsu2735
@gunneraitsu2735 3 года назад
Why isn't prejudice held at the same standard as racist? The meanings literally derive from each other, come on y'all.
@junespiration
@junespiration 3 года назад
Mouse point of view, Hiphop should be exclusively for Black people only, everyone else is prohibited. No matter how talented they are, what impact they made.
@youcantberacisttowardswhit3917
@youcantberacisttowardswhit3917 3 года назад
Hip hop is black culture get over it
@junespiration
@junespiration 3 года назад
@@youcantberacisttowardswhit3917 whoever said it wasn't.
@rickojay7536
@rickojay7536 3 года назад
@@youcantberacisttowardswhit3917 are you familiar with soccer ?
@youcantberacisttowardswhit3917
@youcantberacisttowardswhit3917 3 года назад
@@junespiration y’all wanna be anti black but expect us to let y’all steal from our culture it doesn’t work like that
@youcantberacisttowardswhit3917
@youcantberacisttowardswhit3917 3 года назад
@@rickojay7536 nope but I know your familiar with incest
@kirstyoneill6609
@kirstyoneill6609 3 года назад
Yous are just being racist plain and simple. Hip Hop is for everyone. Mouse needs to stop
@XxxBoss54xxX
@XxxBoss54xxX 3 года назад
Yall a joke!
@captureshady9386
@captureshady9386 3 года назад
Mouse Jones - Twitter
@teewhyeee
@teewhyeee 3 года назад
the ignorance in this chat is crazy. Page is absolutely right.
@korruptnovellst4751
@korruptnovellst4751 3 года назад
Oh that page, is page Kennedy?
@TexKimball
@TexKimball 3 года назад
I get what Page was trying to say at around 9 mins in, "Imagine them doing that to us". I get that the way he said it came off as ignorant, and they kind of just cut him and laughed without him finishing, but he obviously means that this type of gatekeeping seems hypocritical compared to how black people have been excluded before. Of course, the comparison is extreme, but the core principle remains. The basketball example wasn't the best. Should black people be gatekept from classical oil painting because they weren't integral in it's creation or original usage and doesn't play a historical significance in their history and culture? White people have been in Europe for tens of thousands of years, built their countries and traditions, settled their lands first before anyone else; should they then have the right to exclude black people because they "didn't build" Europe or weren't involved in its inception and cultural traditions? By Mouses own definition, black people are just mere guests and tourists in Europe and don't truly belong; would he feel okay with Europeans telling him this, or would he fight for freedom and openness?
@MrSmolCrocs
@MrSmolCrocs 3 года назад
I wonder what Mouse thinks of Fat Joe...
@youcantberacisttowardswhit3917
@youcantberacisttowardswhit3917 3 года назад
He’s taking up space too
@kwandom7098
@kwandom7098 3 года назад
This is just sad. I pity anyone who thinks like this
@tonywats1844
@tonywats1844 3 года назад
One of the first Hip Hop music video: - The Sugar hill Gang- - Rappers Delight . They put white women in it . How is that fighting white supremacy lol
@xTAMAYOx
@xTAMAYOx 3 года назад
Everyone is racist what ever race you are there is always a race you go against but some of us repect the invisible line that we shouldnt cross but to say you cant be racist is basically saying you are.
@JamesTaylor-lg2hz
@JamesTaylor-lg2hz 3 года назад
Um no
@mindofmike3117
@mindofmike3117 3 года назад
this whole quote "black people can't be racist" is upsetting... what they MEAN TO SAY... is Black people (on average) can't ACT on their racism... because to ACT on your racism it requires power... However, Black people CAN be racist..anyone CAN be racist because to be racist is to look at someone and judge them based on their race and treat them differently.. If you're going to try and change definitions and change words you need to keep that shit 100 across the board... By saying white people only can be racist, but when Black people (or someone other than white) can only be prejudice its misleading...because the word RACIST has earned a very ugly stigma (as it should 10000%) but being prejudice is not as ugly.... so if a black person looks at a white person in the same disgusting way as a racist white person looks at a black person and you call the white man racist but the black man prejudice it makes it seem like 1 is worse than the other...its not... Judging ANYONE or treating ANYONE based on the color of their skin is wrong..
@206EmeraldCity
@206EmeraldCity 2 года назад
Black people cant be racist colonizer stay mad
@youcantberacisttowardswhit3917
@youcantberacisttowardswhit3917 2 года назад
be quiet colonizer and stop playing victim 😆😆😆
@animationart5755
@animationart5755 3 года назад
so that the chattyracsismhous or what the fuck ? page said something normal nd how it should be the others start laughin like "hahaha that dude is out of his mind ha ha ha " wtf thats so wrong !
@matthewgreenlee9179
@matthewgreenlee9179 3 года назад
Who the fuck is this mouse guy can't find any info on him when I Google him
@captureshady9386
@captureshady9386 3 года назад
@mouse Jones Twitter 😁
@CipherKilledit
@CipherKilledit 3 года назад
Daaaaamn! I'm feeling it
@antarticp7477
@antarticp7477 2 года назад
does vanlathan belong on tmz ???? that is the question lmao !!!!
@princety3081
@princety3081 3 года назад
I Dont Agree With Mouse All The White But Hip Hop Was Made For Black People
@RardTangler
@RardTangler 2 года назад
Does he think there is a finite space in a particular musical genre for artists to populate? Also, his belief system is fundamentally and essentially flawed: he wants the ability to partake in cultural activities, that are not inherently his, indiscriminately. While at the same time, be able to discriminately pick & choose who is apart of a subculture he believes belongs to his race. Firstly, unfortunately for him, cultures are not defined by race. They’re defined by nations, communities & social groups; some racially homogeneous, some not. And to say that the *American* cultural roots of hip hop were not racially diverse is intellectually dishonest. To hear him speak and know that he has an audience makes me second guess my stance on allowing non-adults virtually unfettered online access. There are multitudes of people who are more intellectually honest and mature, and I suggest you seek them out. This is cancer.
@206EmeraldCity
@206EmeraldCity 2 года назад
Y’all don’t belong in hip hop stay mad
@Citizen_Shane21
@Citizen_Shane21 3 года назад
Mouse prejudice af yo. Shit is uncomfortable to listen to..
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