Do You Actually Need Suspension Lockout On Your Mountain Bike?

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If you have lockout on your suspension, should you use it? And if you don't, are you missing out? Anna decided to do some experiments on her enduro mountain bike and her XC race bike to find out once and for all!
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0:34 - What is suspension lockout?
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@dashandtuch7183 Год назад

I'm the Guy who locks it uphill just to forget to unlock it before going downhill.

@russty81ify 8 месяцев назад

same

@MatthewAdamAda Месяц назад

Yup

@zarwine 18 дней назад

Me too.. I thought I was alone

@teschenbrenner Год назад

I think adding a WATT meter would reveal some interesting results.

@nejcsustarsic Год назад

One of the main reasons I bought Scott Spark was the TwinLoc system for locking both front and rear suspension at the same time from the handlebar. I always use it when ascending. On tarmac I put it into lockout. On gravel or roots I use traction control (partial lockout). Whenever I descend, I unlock the suspension, no matter what the surface is.

@jamescourier1545 Год назад

100% agree. TwinLoc puts the Spark RC at the top of the heap. Look what Nino has done. I rest my case! 💥🏆

@ShenShen777 Год назад

As a guy that likes bike packing a suspension lockout is very convenient for me

@justdev8965 Год назад

Why does weight need a softer ride?

@G_F1 Год назад

I think they’re saying being able to lockout on firm terrain (or like pavement) is a nice pedal-saver with the extra weight. Not wasting as much pedal energy.

@ShenShen777 Год назад

@@G_F1 Yes that's why suspension lockout is very convenient. I am very sorry for the late reply.

@MiloLife Год назад

It really depends on the specific bike. Some bikes have so much peddle bob that locking out is helpful. Some bikes are designed to be open all the time.

@ryanmichels2981 Год назад

I think it comes down to the type of bike you’re riding and if you choose to sit and spin up a climb or if you get out of the saddle and punch it. Without lockout and on an out of saddle punchy climb, the bobbing suspension definitely can take some of your energy you’re exerting, whereas locked out you can put all the power down. If it’s a really gnarly climb with roots, rocks, etc, it may be best to leave suspension fully open and just sit and spin, for traction. Lockouts do serve a purpose but not for every bike or trail.

@Pesmog Год назад

I love the linked remote lockouts on my MTB controlled by a single trigger on my full sus. I probably use it 50 times on every ride as I move between road, byways, bridleways, cycle trails and single-track and so can select approx. the right setting for each. I particularly like that I can dump the full lock out of both front and rear in one second by just flicking the trigger in an emergency if the route suddenly turns rowdy. I am so pleased with it that I am looking to retrospectively add it to my other mountain bike.

@spaceshipearth356 11 месяцев назад

I bought a new XC bike with front fork remote lockout and it is fantastic. I can feel the difference when climbing, especially while standing up on the pedals, as I don't get tired so quickly from the constant suspension movement. And I can lean on handlebars without gripping them as tight. Works for me.

@d.rodrigues5485 Год назад

forks only waste energy if you put your weight in the handle bar and keep moving your head up and down as you climb, if you lock your core muscles and keep the handle bar light all the energy will go to pedals. so you don't really need a lock in the front, can't say anything about rear shock cause i never ride a bike that had it.

@MatthewAdamAda Месяц назад

This.

@billblake4029 Год назад

Really nice work Anna. I appreciate your time and efforts. For whatever it's worth to you, I love having front and rear lockouts on my Trek Top Fuel.

@franklowry1019 11 месяцев назад

And unfortunately, Trek has eliminated the lockouts

@ByronWWW Год назад

Scott spark RC - use all 3 settings of my lockout all the time. Fully locked out for road sections between trails. Trail settings give 80mm travel and used for all trails and climbs - gives a lot of traction on tech climbs but firm enough to sprint through bumpy sections. Fully open 100mm mode is super plush and great for downhills but very wasteful for hard pedalling. They also change how the bike handles as it gets noticebly slacker with more open settings.

@Milessongs Год назад

Excellent test! As a hardtail rider, it's encouraging!

@user-jh8no1zb9e Год назад

why are MTB bars so ridiculously wide these days??

@bigdarbs19 Год назад

Yes, I raced my Canyon Lux at the weekend in an XC event, and I locked and unlocked the suspension around 80 times during the race, 10 times per lap.

@nevillepretorius8948 Год назад

Very cool video! Found it interesting.

@PereAndreuUbachdeFuentes 11 месяцев назад

I ride an XC bike. And I do engage the lockout mechanism on the fork at the climbs, except for the more technical ones. It really feels more efficient. Anywhere else I free the suspension. As you said, it brings the benefit of more traction control.

@krisqz Год назад

Using it all the time on my Oiz 👍

@Jean-jk4zv Год назад

Same, such a saving of energy especially when you are not seated while climbing !

@AK-Scdsv Год назад

Wouldn't power meter to maintain consistent power output make more sense than doing it on feel? And no mention of sprint impact on full sus.

@andyp7449 Год назад

I don't think a power meter will allow you to measure the suspension losses. I think the energy used to compress the suspension is lost before it would be measured at the crank.

@AK-Scdsv Год назад

@@andyp7449 I'm suggesting aiming for a constant power output then measure time impact from suspension lock out choice

@andyp7449 Год назад

@@AK-Scdsv you will get the same time with same power at crank. You won't be measuring the suspension losses.

@AK-Scdsv Год назад

@@andyp7449 not if the suspension sucks up translation of power into movement of the bike. That's the point...?

@andyp7449 Год назад

@@AK-Scdsv The inefficiency happens before the power is measured at the crank. You will get the same time for the same measured power.

@billderas3420 Год назад

With all the rebound and compression tuneability available on my 2021 Fox 36 Factory fork and 2022 Fox Float X shock, I never have to worry about locking out the suspension on my 2020 Specialized Levo SL.

@RGen3 Год назад

Defo helps on ascents and between trails on the flat

@j.albertogratacos2076 Год назад

I have a Fox Float X which has lever with an open (regular) position, and a second position which is not closed but offers more dampening. I like to "close" it on technical climbs and slow, rocky downhill to lessen the possibility of pedal or chainring strikes. What is your opinion on switching back and forth depending on trail type?

@hanstubben Год назад

I keep my suspension of my Niner RKT9RDO almost always in the middle position on the fork and shock for pedaling and open to go down hill. The fully locked is less comfortable and gives less grip. Also as many already have mentioned, it depends a lot on the suspension design too.

@lenf3641 8 месяцев назад

On the tarmac, the fork doesn't engage as much as on trails off-road. So, off-road it would be more seconds saved with lockout on. Also, on full suspension XC bike the lockout would be more significant both on the sprint and on the course.

@adventureswiththeoldgoat1462 11 месяцев назад

I only lock out on long climbs on smooth surfaces which I rarely ever do.

@SAMUELSUTTON7 Год назад

What was the weights of both bikes tho? Great vid keep it up.

@garthflint Год назад

I am not a racer so I am not after that last watt, but the lockout allows my seat-crank length to stay constant on climbs. I can tell right away when I forget my lockout. I have a 2 year old Scott Genius set pretty soft. I have removed the front lockout but the rear lockout is really nice to keep my seat position exactly where I want it on the climbs.

@user-yn5sk5ru5g Год назад

You seat to crank stays the same, lockout or not.

@wonderwatch2239 Год назад

Seat-crank length doesn’t change, unless you’re on an 80’s fullsus.

@Paganiproductions84 Год назад

Yes i always use the lockout on the climb as xc hardtail rider

@Dimarious.G Год назад

I used to have Scott's twin-lock system but recently start noticing that I do not use it anymore since I found my perfect suspension setup. I want my suspension to work and can't really feel any noticeable pedal penalty. So I removing the twin-lock to have less cables and levers. 😌

@WorkLessRideMore Год назад

I never lock my forks or suspension. Seems unnecessary to lock the fork and unnecessary on the rear with a dw link.

@MTBryanH Год назад

Ha! My old Santa Cruz Blur didn't have lockout and bobbed horribly! My new Oiz has a lockout but I honestly can't see or feel any pedal induced bobbing so I pretty much ignore it except when standing.

@iggalan Год назад

If you tested a full sus XC bike instead of a hard tail I suspect things would change even more. Personally I never lock the front, it doesn’t affect me that much. But rear suspension is going to be locked when climbing.

@TheButlerNZ Год назад

I have a DH bike with a Rockshox RC3 Debonair. It doesn't lock out 100% but I really like that, as it takes the thump out of any rocks etc on the climb.

@GlennRacing1 Год назад

Pretty vague test. Really need a power crank, which would rule out the fatigue variability. Also, really, it should be with rear suspension too for a full picture.

@danielthomas3343 Год назад

Power crank measures after the suspension gets squished and doesn't include the work required to squish that suspension (i.e. to get 250w worth of force at the pedal, you first have to overcome whatever bob the suspension has). The methodology in this test is actually pretty good. It could be made more consistent (more runs, multiple days to reduce fatigue, multiple participants to get better statistical power), but the only other way I can think of making it significantly better would be gas exchange analysis (to test metabolic work done...) while testing different suspensions.

@Sunesha Год назад

For me is about effort. I save energy even if it is marginal. I use all the time, I dont have remote lockout, that is one thing miss most.

@Sunesha Год назад

also i would say I can my effect heartrate a bit. It is most noticable at smooth surfaće and low grade climb. I would say I can keep plus 10 rotations/cadence more at same gear same heartrate, which usually mean I keep more speed at same energy, but I dont think it made maximum speed, but it makes energy difference. Especially when you do kinda road bike kind of biking

@rider65 Год назад

FALSE. You do not save energy. It is merely your perception. This is one of those memes that have been around for a long long time.

@Sunesha Год назад

@@rider65 Ok cool, it feels easier. Guess I fool myself.

@TundeEszlari Год назад

Cool video.

@tylerseboe 3 месяца назад

What do the pros do? I imagine they have to most to lose with the wrong choice. I also presume that this only applies to relatively smooth ascents or flats and that the rear shock keeps your drive wheel in better contact with the ground on rocky/rooty terrain.

@g.fortin3228 10 месяцев назад

Nice job Anna ! I'll be not as lazy using mine going forward :- )

@MrDino27 Год назад

Well I have a Scott Ransom with twinlock .I have rockshock nude for my rear not stock on Scott bike they us xfusion or fox for oem .With the RockShox nude lock out not needed plus upgraded my damper in my yari to a charger2.1 rc2 what a game changer .anyway all depends on the bike .170mm of travel love it

@rider65 Год назад

🙄🙄🙄🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️

@markyboyclark Год назад

I was hoping you would have done a rooty climb. They are my favourite and I truly believe that my 29er FS gives better traction all the time without lockout. I used to think I NEEDED lockout (I'm not racing but love a good South Downs 20miler) but with my latest purchase with some sweet 'short travel' I really don't think I need it. It's like turning off all the things you paid for 😊.

@akaraikiriakatsuki3157 Год назад

The lock out help, but I don't think I want automatic switching bs. I don't usually use the lock out feature

@bobothericefarmer1878 Год назад

It does help when doing long rides

@MrNiceGuy442 3 месяца назад

Depends on the compression rate but the constant transfer of energy between your arms compressions and the front suspension that is wasted instead of going for your legs while climbing that will certain translate into less efficiency, less balance and less stamina for the climbing, and as bigger the climbing angle the worst it goes, not even mention straight up pedaling.. So I can really tell the diference when locked and I would advice if you are planing any kind "mountain biking".

@gavdalf5573 Год назад

I use the rear lockout on very tough rocky climbs.. I never lockout the fork

@198X_Baby Год назад

as a cyclist who uses mountain bike for everyday use (for errands, leisure or commute) I prefer suspension. and since i have a broken lockout, i don't really have a choice

@brucehamilton6019 6 месяцев назад

I appreciate your videos and you've been around. I'm thinking that a taller, heavier rider that has more leg geometry and power vs that "bob" would show different results. Standing up, in the flats and uphill as well...Also, different suspension types, VPP and coil vs single arm and air, etc. would yield something. Designers have learned from the years and components are tweaked for variants , right?

@iamarobotninja 11 месяцев назад

Badass bike. (Canyon) Thanks for the vid ❤

@DirtlovR Год назад

I have both front and rear lock out but I'm to lazy to switch it when I'm going from descent to climb.

@stevenh766 Год назад

Would it really have been too hard to get a power meter? These are all well within margin of error when going on 'feel' and heart rate.

@diegob2256 5 месяцев назад

Is it possible to install a (handlebar) lock system in a bike that doest have it??

@nugget4539 Год назад

Gotta love the very known stick method to hold the bikes up

@dropoutjohn Год назад

I forget to unlock the fork on my hardtail EVERY TIME after a climb. How do you remind yourself to unlock?

@russty81ify 8 месяцев назад

I use lock out always on my Obrea Alma

@farhanhasnat42 Год назад

whats the bar length on the xc?

@jimrutherford2773 Год назад

I love the lock out function. I'd rather have it and not need it, than need it and not have it. I always need it.

@andrec.136 Год назад

I guess the reason you only saw a difference on the climbs is because gravity would have taken away any forward momentum along with watts wasted in the suspension.

@goonswarm007 Год назад

When you have to ride on street, flat surface… lockout is a energy safer which will make a difference in the long run. Xc races are not 3 minutes long 😅

@thesmf1210 Год назад

got lockout on both fork and shock, never use it

@liquidmakor6793 Год назад

I have lockout on my enduro bike. But never used it. My climbing is so slow it makes no difference

@IIISentorIII Год назад

wrong

@Anandlovesvalorant Год назад

Better yet, you could ride a full rigid!!!!! (especially for downhill!)

@daddyshrek2295 Год назад

i'm so light i took off my lockout because i barely move the fork on climbs xd

@kaltonian Год назад

I use lock-out 90% of the time, any sag can be a drain when going far....& you need all your energy when doing so, it still functions when off rd & pushing hard, just not as flexible shall we say, a lot of the pro racers will have set their suspension so hard/high that it will feel like lock out is on

@rider65 Год назад

False premise. Physics 101 will tell you that is BS only your perception

@ByronWWW Год назад

Depends on the fork and shock - on newer fox 32s the lockout is completely rigid and riding like that for a big off road day is more exhausting than having it on the mid setting which will soak up small bumps and keep the energy you are putting through the pedals getting transferred to the ground - as long as you aren't mashing the pedals or standing up to sprint anyway.

@kaltonian Год назад

absolutely,

@togetherchristiansmedia3437 Год назад

Nice

@Jean-jk4zv Год назад

Comparing watts instead of time would make more sense imo.

@G_F1 Год назад

But if time is ultimately what watt output leads to… Time is what really matters to all riders no matter their power output. From a casual rider who is on a time limit for their ride, or just wants to get more runs in, to the professional who wants to shave every fractional second possible - time is what matters.

@dystopiaisutopia Год назад

My Fox 36 831 doesn't have a lockout.

@ryanmichels2981 Год назад

Where’s Doddy?

@mikeg2738 Год назад

Please help GMBN!! I can't join gcn+, to watch the world cup. I keep getting an error. Never would happen with Red Bull tv. I am devastated, I'm going to miss live downhill, thanks to Bullshit tech. 🤬🤬

@2nd3rd1st Год назад

Why do I always look like an idiot mushroom when wearing a helmet but everyone else looks cool? 😂 #nohelmetbiking Regardless, not pulling your chin strap tight really negates wearing a helmet in the first place, doesn't it

@Pesmog Год назад

I am the same. Every bike helmet I have ever owned looks to be perched high on top of my head rather than actually being worn. I get so much mickey taking about it from my riding buddies. Its something that I don't understand as I often wear a builders hard had as part of my job and that fits well and looks just fine, but a bike helmet, even after trying a dozen of them, forget it. ☹

@2nd3rd1st Год назад

@@Pesmog Full face downhill helmet seems the only option 😅

@jamesmcgowen1769 Год назад

I’ve been watching GMBN race? Whatever it’s called, watching XC races, and everyone is riding hardtail… I guess that’s in order to save weight in a race situation?

@ByronWWW Год назад

No one in the top level of XC racing use hardtails

@user-yn5sk5ru5g Год назад

Nah, you dont

@tomquimby8669 Год назад

ebike rider, never use it always plush for me.

@ibewillow Год назад

I have a lockout on my rear shock, never used it. Yeah i can see the advantages in a race setting. Lockout on forks which i also have is completely unnecessary. Its like USD forks, no good in the real world but used as a feature to sell bikes. And if this channel thinks i need a pop up to remind me to be respectful before commenting im going to unsubscribe. I cant stand entitled idiots lumping all commenters in the same category because of the few people doing the wrong thing.

@David-qx8jm Год назад

My forks are always locked out don't need suspension it eats energy. Keepemcoming my lady Rigid frame

@rider65 Год назад

Eats energy! 🤣🤣🤣🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️ #MuppetTime

@David-qx8jm Год назад

@@rider65 well it does!!!!! 🤨

@mrshadow8244 Год назад

bad video, bad choice of bikes , saying nothing to us.... xc race bikes like scott spark or giant needs lockout, but canyon lux or other brands with horizontal suspension, dont need it so much.. that bikes are stiff , not comfortable at all, but effective climbers also in open mode .. on another hand, that bikes are loosing on way down. for pross that bikes are grat, for hobbies it is better to have something more comfortable.. lockout is needed for hard pushing uphils, which is not so technical but steap, also for sprinting.

@Trikk57 Год назад

Yeh get Doddy back

@VAS.T Год назад

easy answer: close everything if you ride uphill and open everything if you ride downhill :)

@ByronWWW Год назад

Suspension gives traction - especially on rear wheel - so if you're going up rocky or technical stuff it's better to have it open or in mid setting rather than having your rear wheel slipping

@rider65 Год назад

🤣🤣🤣🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️

@rider65 Год назад

@@ByronWWW Finally, someone who understands physics 👍

@ByronWWW Год назад

@rider65 depends on the bike and suspension - older shocks and forks didn't lock out, they would just get firmer with the pro pedal switch. Modern xc full sus bikes lock out completely rigid though and the lock out is only for the tarmac sprints in races.

@rider65 Год назад

Yeah, no. Riders don't NEED suspension. Suspension allows for improved traction. (Significantly reducing hysteresis) Increased traction allows for control at higher speeds & more effective braking. ALL thanks to dirt bike & motocross innovations.