Not two generations ago, a housewife was a domestic job involving grocery shopping, cooking, cleaning and maintaining a household each day, regardless of children. Thanks to reality TV, people now associate being a "housewife" with leisure, luxury, and socialite activities.🤨
But everything has been made much easier with technology, for example pop everything into the washing machine and then pop it into the clothes dryer. Clothes are made of wash and wear materials. Food is already prepared or half prepared.
Food is much healthier made at home and has far less packaging. Healthier food and less packaging are better for the environment, one's health, and that prevents bad health, high medical bills, and the destruction of our planet.
Alyssa is 100% on point. My mother always told me please get your own career and make your own money. She watched my aunts forced to stay in bad marriages (abuse, alcoholism, infidelity) because they depended on their husbands for money.
@@idotgotitme3280 my aunts had several kids. Both of them quit high school to get married, so they didn’t even have a HS diploma. I was too young to know what was going on, but as I got older my mother told me about how they were trapped, because they couldn’t make their own living and depended on their husbands for 100% of the income.
Alyssa had a better point, not only have/make your own money but if women don't want to work and don't want kids...you better be very fit, curvy and look like a 25yr old supermodel bc if you don't, what else are you going to bring to the table!??? Every woman believes men owe them so much for their companionship alone even if they are average looking at best, overweight, older, flat butt, flat chest, no money, etc. Why would a man want to take care of that when he could rather take care of a 25yr old in her physical prime!!! If I have to pay for every woman, I much rather take a different 25yr old on FREE dinners, lunches and dates than a 50yr old.
I'm 100% behind Alyssa's point. Probably because I too am a child of divorce and single-mother parenting. Every person must have their own money. Of course, a general fund would be shared to cover household expenses, but every person must have direct control over their own separate pot of money. (Consider the top reasons for couple conflict: Cash, children, and...) I also think every person should have an identity independent of the home/family. Pretty much every man I know easily separates/prioritizes their own needs from the care of the home/family. So, this idea of an additional identity beyond home/family is not brand new. Men have been looking out for their own interests independent of their families this whole time. Even those with children must adjust to when the children leave the nest. In any case, great conversation, panel!
Well said. In the blink of an eye a person's life can change. It is empowering to be able to support yourself and not being dependent on another person.
Alyssa nailed it. I had a good job, so when my husband became violent I could manage on my own. It was a struggle, being a single mother and working full-time. Now at 65 I am retired, comfortable and can enjoy doing 'nothing' without guilt.
I'm with Sara but I retired early (for health issues) and my husband still works. We are empty-nesters. My days aren't spent doing nothing. I keep the house clean, I go grocery shopping, I work on projects around the house, I take care of our dogs, and I work on hobbies. I also volunteer occasionally. I grew up a feminist but I feel like we've gone too far in the other direction where we are as judgmental about women working outside the home as we are about men not working. If one spouse wants to stay home and it's agreed upon, then who cares? Also, there are ways to make sure that when you set up this arrangement that the spouse staying home is future-protected, monetarily. Our house is in both of our names, for instance. Consult with a financial planner.
I'm right there with you. Although I am retired now, I did work outside the home at one point, and it was easier than staying at home, lol. I stay busier at home doing all the things you mentioned...we don't sit around the house and eat bon bons all day. I still love it though. I'm also independent money wise too...my husband and I share our assets 50/50 and he wouldn't have it any other way...we've been married almost 40 years.
Yeah but what does a man get for taking care of a woman who does not work and does not take care of children. A lot of these women don't even cook! Useless. I would never take care of a woman like that.
@@lynxo5695 Lucky to retire at 37 -- earned enough to live comfortably indefinitely. I'm starting to feel like a jerk for pointing this out. I was just laughing at the segment on the show. I'm very fortunate and it is not for everyone because you have to be very centered not to have structure in your life that a job provides.
Agree with Alyssa that a woman should have their own money!! I know so many women friends who gave their power away to a man because of the money and these men divorced them and took it all.
My dad divorced his wife and he lost everything! He gave her the house and cars and now she can’t even pay the mortgage lol! She is asking us for money when she has daughters! I don’t even know her name or even met her! 😂😂😂
Alyssa had a better point, not only have/make your own money but if women don't want to work and don't want kids...you better be very fit, curvy and look like a 25yr old supermodel bc if you don't, what else are you going to bring to the table!??? Every woman believes men owe them so much for their companionship alone even if they are average looking at best, overweight, older, flat butt, flat chest, no money, etc. Why would a man want to take care of that when he could rather take care of a 25yr old in her physical prime!!! If I have to pay for every woman, I much rather take a different 25yr old on FREE dinners, lunches and dates than a 50yr old.
No one is arguing that. This is about all of the relationships that don't have kids. What is the woman doing?? Like Alyssa said, you better be very fit and look good bc women bring nothing else to the table!
@kbanghart But it's true. Why can't you answer the simple question? What does a woman do for a man that she is only dating. We don't have kids and live together with most of the relationships we have had in our lives. We mostly just date so no kids, no living together, no cooking and cleaning for the man. So if I am taking a woman on dates, paying for everything, chasing her everyday, protecting her, teaching her, making her laugh, making her feel special, fixing things, doing physical labor etc....then what does a woman do for a man? Bc no woman is taking care of my household. I prefer to live alone.
I've been a stay at home housewife for 15 years. My boys were in junior/high school when I quit working. I LOVE the peace and quiet during my days now! I am extremely lucky and appreciative of all my husband does for us and vice-versa. Whatever works best for each individual and couple, without judgment 🙏♥️
Why do they think being home with no children means you have nothing to do? Clearly they don't know how mich work house work really is. With a side job to keep her independent it can work
Sara should have never had kids. Anytime, she talks about them, she complains that they take up too much of her time yet she so wanted children. Her kids are going to need therapy when they are adults.
@@jenniferl1908that's a mom! Lol! Being a mom and wife, someone always needs you. She also has small children that require a lot of attention. When they start getting older and have more independence, she might then be able to read as many books as she wants, and have all those memories when she couldn't. It's a vicious cycle of life. And just because you talk about hardships doesn't make you wish you never had them.
I vaguely remember what Joy was saying about being the total woman and wrapping yourself in Saran wrap. I don’t like to comment on the panel’s looks, but whomever is doing Joys hair coloring is doing a fantastic job
Strange that most people just look at the materialistic and financial POV. What if the woman was to be a thinking partner, best moral support system and ride or die kind of housewife? That is something NOT EVERYONE can do.
I am far from a trophy wife. I am no longer young and beautiful, but there have been times where I have chosen not to work. I do not have children. My husband was fine with it. I didn't have to be perfectly coiffed and fit. If both people are fine with it why does it matter?
@@Meet23ful I'm so sorry you have bought into capitalism. You aren't contributing to society, you are making someone else rich while you work yourself to death. I have had the kind of life books are written about. You have no clue how I have contributed to society.
@cocoknows if both people are cool with it and it's a healthy relationship all power to you. I just think whenever you have a more unique dynamic in a relationship, it's easy for it to turn toxic.
That is exactly men’s point. It sounds just as ridiculous for them when women propose this on to men. All of the things you thought when he said that: “why can’t he get a job?” “Why would I have to do all of the work?” “What would he be doing while I’m not there” the list probably goes on and on is exactly what goes through men’s heads as well. Basically what I’m saying is, get a job and don’t be a child living off of another adult.
But what about takng care of the house? Housework takes up a lot of time: meal-planning, cleaning, grocery-shopping, the social calendar, errands. Housewives do a lot of work.
Agree with Alyssa, a woman should always have her own money. I would hate the thought of having to rely on someone financially. I like my independence and my own bank account thank you.
@@vincentbaca790I agree it’s immensely refreshing to see her communicate her full points and flourish without the unnecessary interruptions. She’s incredible
I like the transparency right up front when I met my husband 21 years ago that’s what I told him at the time we were raising children, but I made it known that after they were out of the home I wanted to be at home. It has worked beautifully and we are both very happy with the situation.❤️🙏
No, I disagree I think men who reach 50/60 are judged if they are unmarried and don't have children. Back in the day folks in the neighborhood would question their sexuality, and now folks question if they have a screw loose upstairs.
If you were offering to be your partners assistant.... Make all their meals, laundry, help with their work tasks, get all the shopping done.. like a house manager or personal assistant, it would make sense then. Especially if their partner has a demanding job.
I grew up in a traditional household where Mom stayed at home and Dad went to work. Married 55 years. The thing that was different was my Mom was better off than my Dad and had her own income/money. He didn't want her to work, he wanted her to choose him and our family over a career. And she did. But she always taught me, always have your own money. She also favored having a career and no man. She would tell me, do you. She never got upset that I never married or had children. She was like, choose what is best for you. I believe single women and trophy wives without children should find a way to be of service. Just sitting around gets monotonous.
Men would 100% be judged harshly if more of us chose to be "house husbands". How many women would look down on those guys, calling them lazy bums? It's a complete double standard, good to see Sara acknowledge that.
Exactly 💯 Such a double standard. Women think their only responsibility is to get ready and act sweet and innocent. And then it's the man's job to provide, protect, chase and treat them like a princess for no deserving reason. Just bc, I was born female and shaved my body hair. Men owe me for this!!
I love having a kind, generous husband who provides for us so that I am free to fill our day-to-day lives with warmth, joy, peace and romance. Our house is so happy, exciting and active. I am not stressed by work. I am completely available to be the heart of my home and community. How freeing it has been to thoroughly enjoy the wonderful privilege of being a stay-at-home wife. It is delicious.
Honestly I’m praying for this lifestyle 😭🫶🏾 I’m planning to graduate college and get my degree so I’ll have my own independent income, but mainly a childfree housewife is the move 😭
I rarely comment. Can I tell you it’s amazing? My husband totally loves it that I am there for him and we have no kids at home and married 34 years! The media wants us to think this is so rare and odd! BTW I can read and am very smart and could work any number of jobs.
I LOVE this Alyssa woman! I don't always agree with her politics but she's smart, articulate, and compassionate...AND, she's stunning. Her outfit today is gorgeous!
The best decision I have ever made in my life was divorcing in my 40's. I did the stay at home thing, he did the stay at home thing as well. Deciding not to date after divorcing, supporting myself fully including taking myself out to dinner, exotic vacations again has been the best decision I have ever made . Not every female requires a "husband" and not everyone was meant to be "coupled" with someone.
I loved Alyssa point, having your own money gives you a sense of independence where you font have to be accountable to anyone about how you use and spend your money
I would assume a housewife still takes care of the house while the husband is away though, no? Unless they have maids and cooks and stuff. Wouldn’t she still be doing chores?
I love how Joy acts like she plans to reach 150yo and is now barely past the first half of her life at 80. Great attitude, as opposed to the ones saying they're old at 50.
This is a very offensive discussion. You can tell they have hired help and/or have never run a household. Way too long to explain here, all the chores and benefits of working in the home. Yes, important to have money of your own and put aside, have your own identity, life, and take classes and have some outside contact to stay current. But, apparently, they've never been in an abusive relationship bc all that will be gone in the blink of an eye, under an abuser.
I am a childless housewife. I retired early when I got diagnosed with cancer, for which treatment is going well. Each time I mention getting a job, my husband says, "no." It's not his decision, but I'm not exactly arguing. What Alyssa said is sexist and obnoxious about looking my best. Screw that. Some days all I can do is get outta bed. Other days are better, but I think it's sick to think our looks are all we have if we don't have kids or a job. Really dehumanizing, Alyssa. What's a life worth to you?
It wasn’t sexist at all. If you are a woman who is a housewife and you are not contributing to income and you do not have any children, you have to bring something to the table. At least keep yourself in good shape, keep the house spotless, etc… Your situation is not the same, you are battling cancer. That in and of itself is a full time job. The woman they are talking about is not fighting for her life.
there are a lot of women who work hard for charity and for the arts. these are often the ladies who lunch. don't discount their influence and ability to empower others.
Great having a show with Sunny not there interrupting every other host and taking over. Also great not hearing her 1 word comments while someone else is talking especially Yea letting everyone know she also knows everything they are talking about.
Yes, she does seem to act superior over the others on certain subjects, although sometimes it's funny when she gets certain looks on her face and things she says when they talk about husbands doing things, ie: coming home late, infidelity, texting with a co-worker, things like that.
I like how Alyssa thinks a wife's purpose is to serve a man in a sexual way or simply care for kids. A true conservative woman! Such a refreshing view😂
I can't have kids. I would prefer to be home getting things done for thr house and working on my creative projects. But until those creative projects make 200k a year, i cant afford to not work. I want to travel the world, eat out, go do things. Its a little hard to do that on one persons salary of 80k. We make 100k together and its enough without kids to do whatever we want (fix up the house, movies, dinner, date night, save for retirement)...i also like a little social interaction. My life would be perfect if i could work part time. But things are too expensive right now. I think people need to be responsible for themselves. Its good to work together, but life is unpredictable.
This is a good topic and I hope they talk about it again. If I could imagine any Child-Free Housewife duties? Grow veggies in the garden, Work on honey-dos for the house, exercise, take care of elderly parents, create art to sell on Etsy, mentor others, Take care of my husband. :) Dunno, just a thought exercise.
The husband exercises too. And he takes care of the women in so many more ways than the woman takes care if him. Women believe men owe them so much just to be in their presence. Women think their only responsibility is to get ready and then act sweet and innocent.
@@MilkyWayGalaxyy I'm not sure I understand. Besides exercising, what are the things that men do? And where are women going and why are they sweet and innocent? I'm not sure what that means. Is that a responsibility really?
@@HaunaniPao Wow. If a woman stays at home without a job and without kids, obviously the man HAD A JOB AND IS WORKING AND PAYING ALL OF THE BILLS. On top of that, men are responsible for doing physical labor around the house, fixing things and protecting the woman. And also chasing a woman. So the things you listed do not compare to all of that that a man does for a woman.
