Do you Hate Ebikes? If YES this video is for YOU! 

Mark thanks bro! Send all your friends this video, if I’m honest all my enduro mates were like this 4 years ago but now they all have ebikes it just takes time!

Totally 👍

EMTB is the key word don't be offputt by Chinese crap that looks like DH monsters clearly labeled as "not suitable for off road or jumps"

That’s the key, most haters have never tried one. I am absolutely hooked on ebikes

​@@emed1977and if I tried multiple ones, from cube to ghost, to spez, to trek, orbea and mondraker.. and I can still safely say that full power ebikes are not real mountain bikes, handling and feeling differently on trails... what now, I should still try them and hopefully get convinced or you should start realising real mountain bikes are something different and full power ebikes, for 99% of the riders are just an excuse to ride without being trained enough?!(from a fitness pov)

@@eugenux There are so many disciplines in mountain biking, that what you were saying, doesn’t make any sense. Not everybody does it for training or racing, some of us do it for fun, and not everyone can be as fit and virile as you are. Pedal assisted bicycles are still bicycles whether you believe that or not.

Totally mate, I to was a hater until I tired one and its impossible not to love it.

Lard-ass says what?

If you travel at the same pace on an ebike as a mountain bike eventually your leg strength and cardio performance will decrease and you will no longer be able to pedal a mountain bike as well. So it looks like people are right. You could always travel faster on your ebike by putting in the same or greater effort though😊 It's what I intend to do.

it doesn't give you the same workout and muscle as a normal bike unless you are using it in eco or tour modes, at which point, what's the fun in it. Plus, a full electric bike is slower(not by much, having more inertia and responding slowly to rider inputs) on the downs than comparative normal bikes but, as soon as the trail gets a slightly incline section, even if for 50-100 meters and the slope is mellow... you will leave normal bikes in the dust, with zero impact in your heart rate.. while the ppl on normal bikes, if they keep pushing, will be at 180bpm gasping for air. I can tell you this for certainty because I've ridden both normal and electric bikes on the same 25 mile piece of over mountain trails and it is way more easier and faster with the e-bike... but, as soon as the trail goes down, I'd rather be always on my normal bike, the inertia and slow handling make it for me very difficult to take the plunge. Ebikes are also much more expensive, require much more maintenence and consumables parts get used up faster; but, it is a rather enthusiastic prospect to get a 7 mile long downhill trail head with enough energy and stamina that would make you believe you left the car park 1 hour ago, than feeling like you are on the reserves, preparing and trying to combat mentally the exhaustion of 3600 ft of climbing in 18 miles and 4-5 hours of riding at 6000ft altitude. You can enjoy much more the downs, knowing and feeling more "up to the task". Having said that, at cable asist trails or bike-parks, full electrics are pigs that are less fun than their normal counterparts. What seems to bridge the gap are the mid power ebikes, the new levo sl being one of the greatests examples.. the s-works version managing to be one bottle of water heavier than my nuke giga with a build focus on the downs(dh tracks). That's why, for those like me, who like the feel and feedback(handling) of normal bikes, the prospect of a future kenevo SL 1.2 is rather endearing. For those to think mtb-ing is just a form of recreation, then look no further than ebikes. They have been invented for ppl like you(lazy who want the good, nice rides without having to train for those said rides and are happy pushing a bike at 7, maximum 8 out of 10. It is what it is, assume it and enjoy your mountain biking activity.

Well said, couldn’t agree against it until you said “people lazy like you” at the end. 🤣 I still have my pedal bike and do plenty of climbing in a week so I feel the burn along w/ the second/ 3rd wind we need on those steep climbs. I go back and forth so I can get more out of the Kenevo SL. Focusing more on the DH so I can improve on the local trails. Knowing I can ride and a comfortable pace with more confidence is key to staying healthy. Climbs always have a nice reward at the end but I like to push even harder on the down hill while saving the legs with a bit less energy on the climbs when I do choose to take the Super Light bike out for a spin. Taking my Kenevo Sl to the max elevation and miles I can get out of the little 360wh battery and trying to achieve more always sets the bar high while feeling the burn and heart rate of a normal pedal bike. Cadence is key. If used properly from what I never had before I rode an ebike, heart rate is controlled on what your heart desire and wills for! Cheers! ( to the lazy people like me who switches back and forth on a normal bases )

Totally Mike! Love ebikes

same got a levo and a creo and a ht fat e love them dearly

Why don't you just ride a bike ‼️‼️

Haha I’ve heard that story a few times!

Thanks mate!

Yep all haters need to try a ebike is very hard not to like one... congrats on the new Transition great bike

That is awesome great work rider age is just a number now with e-bikes

Yep that’s bad sorry to hear that! I feel we can all share the trails and I don’t find many riders passing me on the trails haha

None of them do - these people are not real cyclists. They are "bike curious" types.

Yep I know but we had limited riding trails in Adelaide and it needed to be a loop

@@SamsBikes I agree with Aeons and I know Sam also does but what I propose (and how I explain them to my ebike hater friends) is to not compare them directly as emtbs can do what regular bikes can't. Comparing what an emtb can do on a fireroad is definitely a great metric to show you can manage your heart rate and use it as a non stationary trainer but when you are put to the test on a steep techy climb that even turbo is struggling is what it's at. The emtb shines where you're hike a biking and where you really push your fitness because you're forced to. Which is obviously a whole subset of testing. So while I'm thrilled you were able to show it's benefits this way. I think you should do a few intense climb challenges with him in a future video. Where you're absolutely pushing the machine to it's limits. Great video Sam! Hopefully more like this soon!

LiveAeons... let's compare it with sports cars because, well, everyone understand cars. The full enduro normal bike is that porsche gt car.. fast on a race track, fast on a road, fast everywhere, reliable and with a good racing pedigree. A full power ebike is that all wheel drive, 4 seats, convertible, a bmw 8 series convertible xdrive..., still quite fast, very easy to control, very easy to drive and safe even for untalented drivers. mid power ebikes are like a ferrari spider.. still capable on track, very capable on road but just a little compromise for pure performance when you compare it with that porsche gt. Whatever you prefer to drive(read ride), it is up to you but, please don't invent lies about it. It is what it is and ebikes are what they are... nothing less, nothing more.

good on you.

Very good point.. actually in Australia and Spain they are very well accepted now!

@SamsBikes I'm Italian... here there are absolutely no problems at all... we don't have so many bikeparks and we share mountains with everyone without prejudices, I usually ride my bike with ebikers and "analogs" too. 😁

Hey rider thanks for the kind words and I'm glad your loving your Giant Reign E+ its a beast...

Totally bro I think it’s just as hard lazy people can be lazy on a normal bike and a ebike

@@SamsBikes yeah but at least you don't have to wait for the lazy ones to push up 😉

Thanks for the comment in super glad you did by your son a ebike it’s a great way to get some exercise without feeling like you are

Yo bro thanks for the kind words keep loving the dream bro!

Nathan congrats on the new whip if you have any question set up just ask. enjoy it mate

that's relative perspective and factually not true. One intense/hard hour on a normal bike gives you much more training and fitness than 1 hour on a ebike. Sure, it is better than nothing but giving you fitness more than the equivalent non-electric counterpart, that's fake "news", sorry. and, beside my own experience with both(Es and non-Es), I have a friend who opened up a guest house for 12 ppl at the mountains and offerd for the guests guided tours on ebikes. After one year, of riding pretty much every day(not so in the winter), when he tried to make the usual 3 mile and 1300 ft to the popular trail head on a normal bike, he barely(and very slowly) managed to make it; he also got like 20 pounds heavier in that time, even with all the big mileage he has done on his electric bikes. When he realised what has happened, he got back on his normal bikes, doing the same trails, climbs and exploration type of riding that he did on ebikes and he has never been fitter or stronger. He still does tours for lazy unfit ppl who want to be taken up to mountains but he makes sure he is doing 3-4 normal bike rides for each ebike ride. He has become so fit and strong that at the beginnig of his 40s, he has the body aspect of a 20 year old climber - lean and full of muscle, plus the very high lung capacity - so, again, ebikes are very fun and have many advantages (for me, it is the arriving at the trail head feeling like I've just left the car park); being better for your fitness and training they are not, with the exception of getting you out of the house and ride, where the normal bike does not encurage you to do that when you are unfit and lazy.

@@eugenuxmy theory is I live by my riding area and ride consistently steep uphill Forrest roads to access DH tracks so can keep the work rate up while in full power mode and no power on the downs I imagine it would be easy to lose condition trail riding and riding with people of a lesser fitness or on non E. I just hope my body can handle the amount of dh it's about to get.

​@@nathanbaldwin9712good luck..and enjoy it while you don't overstress your body. If you're beyond 35, take a very progressive(to not get injured) approach with hard spikes that push you beyond what you think you can handle. (I applied this to running, as I stared a couple of months ago and worked out great.... and also compliments riding to a very good degree).

That was my biggest adjustment, not trying to power on a gear That was too hard for a hill. The motors only help you when you have a good cadence. It also helps to keep your butt planted on the seat to keep traction.

Thanks mate it would of been 3 or 4 max

Yep thats in Adelaide and its a pretty special place at sunset to ride.

@@SamsBikes Adelaide is on the riding bucket list now.

Totally agree

geezers who can barely ride bikes taking on trails at speeds they can't handle - what could go wrong?

What a great dad! Enjoy it rider

just get a hardtail man

yep but dont listen to the haters... they will always just hate

say what? :)))), false af... you probably don't know how to ride. Ebikes have many many advantages but helping you with your trainings are not, with the exception of training on the downs with a 25kgs bike so that your 16kgs bike will feel like a feather by comparison. Beside that, they are worse for your physical shape/form; better than doing nothing but, much worse than investing the same amount of time riding and training on a normal bike.

wrong

@@TheTrailRabbit Say you have no idea how to train without saying I don't know how to train.

haha I love it I have 5 ebikes and always giving them out to the haters... haha I say its going to be a expensive day because you will buy one after this ride

Haha im would be my wife then my 6 e-bikes haha not much else

I can also wear baggy clothing on windy days😂

that's because your legs got weaker. sad.

@@TheTrailRabbitsad? I don't feel sad.

Thanks rider it’s a base model levo but it’s been build into my dream build! ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-FkqqNVTpRJQ.html

You bring up a good point when motorcycles can be bought for 3 grand used

Hey Mike thanks champ I really appreciate this kind words! Brett actually loved it and thinks he will buy one soon!

@@SamsBikes That is great. All the best..have a great ride.

Working out too hard doesn't translate to a good workout. Spiking power too high and red zoning isn't conductive to raising your power. First is the amount you ride and ebikes allow you to do that. This is why long term mountainbikers never develop any power.

cheating yourself out of a few extra years but ok

But the ebike has all of that too...

wrong, i don't

weak

Yes we used a garmin heart rate strap

I use a watch. Monitoring HR is a game changer for me and how I ride

@@SamsBikes My problem with these is that I put this on, than the armour, than the gopro, than the shirt, and a softshell if its cold, and I can't move :D

@@loganrhodes1741 How good is it compared to the strap?

Unfortunately it’s just life now! I feel we just need to give a little and share the trials

Haha I will

There is no such thing as cheating unless you're racing lol. Is it cheating if you decide to ride a XC bike, or a carbon bike vs an old single speed steel frame? I guess, if that is your mind set. In all honesty, everything in this life is a balance. You give up a bit of your legs power output to do more riding. You could argue that you're cheating yourself by spending more time climbing that descending, or having to hike a bike sections that could really push you and make you a better more technical climber.

What a lovely comment to wake up to thanks 🙏

You missed the part where E bikes are as much of a work out as you make it. You just go faster and further, and ride trails an acoustic bike has to be pushed up. E bike is not like riding a motorcycle. I have an 890R KTM I ride alot, nothing like an E bike.

@@bradsanders6954 It is absolutely not as much of a workout, as admitted by Brett at 7:55 mark of the video. He said he would be way more shattered after an analog ride. You can though make an e-bike ride a really good work-out by turning off e-assist. I saw an e-bike rider who ran out of battery and climbing the same hill next to me. He was grinding, sweating and breathing hard. That is a work-out! Every single e-biker I have seen passing me uphill so far, they did so without a sweat like riding casually on a flat rec trail, when I was working my ass off. The sheer concept of the motor makes people lazy. I guess you can make an e-bike ride harder by pushing harder, never as hard as an analog bike though. I have just not seen that guy yet. And I saw hundreds and hundreds, if not thousands e-bikers in the wild. But again, do what suits you. To be clear, I am not against e-bikes, I have no negative feelings about them. I am just saying it is a whole different animal.

@@EK-xk7zt you might say the same thing about someone with gears not doing it as hard as a rider on a single speed. You can make it just as hard as a single speed but everyone choses to pick and easier gear to ride in. No different to an Ebike. I have gained fitness with an Ebike because I ride more than just on my normal bike. I can choose to make it as hard or as easy as I want. I even ride it will zero assistance if I'm riding with other non-Ebikes, then I get more of a workout as I'm pedalling a bike that's around 5kg heavier than them.

@@streddaz You are a unicorn among e-MTBers. A lot of e-bikers make the same argument about fitness etc., but I haven't seen one e-biker in my life that drips sweat or breathes hard. Having gears is just leverage, and there are advantages and disadvantages to single speed bikes. In some scenarios, they may even be faster and more suitable than geared ones. Single speed bikes are a good 2-3lbs lighter for one. Gears are not a motor. A motor is a motor. With battery and motor tech advancing so fast, we will have bikes with more and more power and juice, turning pedals will be like turning the steering wheel on one those merry-go-round cars. If electric bikes help your fitness, more power to you, literally. Whatever propulses your bike, man, just enjoy. It is all good.

@@EK-xk7zt it’s like anything, if you want to be lazy you’ll be lazy no matter what. I mainly bought my Ebike so I can rider further and longer than I could on a normal bike, not so much to get up hills easier. I agree that there’s a lot of Ebikers out there that would only be riding because of an electric bike and would never ride unassisted. At least it’s a lot more exercise than sitting on the couch. I still ride my normal bike, just depends how I’m feeling or who I’m riding with.

Nah fortified trail for me. I still want to put out some effort, but want the max from the bike at the same time. 40/100 trail on my Levo.

buddy, it's the other way around

@@TheTrailRabbit what do you mean?

That’s not very nice!

Haha 😂 thanks mate haters are going to hate go ride your bike