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@{𝒯𝒽𝑒 𝒮𝒾𝓁𝓋𝑒𝓇 𝑀𝑜𝑜𝓃} no, shes saying stop trying to pretend the loli/shota-con drenched shows are anything short of pornography to most people as that doesnt even appeal to most adults, let alone the childrens shows shes talking about. Its not about what you like, its about how it has affected you and what you say says about you.
ok i get your point and i guess i agree with most of it, but you say it in a way that sounds aggressively judgemental of others for liking stuff, i trully like your content but every time you criticise something popular it sounds more like a rant, making dumb people like me turn on their twitter switch on making them a little aggressive towards you, making a never ending cycle of aggresive interaction.
When I talk about how much I love adventure fantasies, I’ve always got this image in my mind about a group of friends wandering around a setting and just doing whatever they want and having fun doing it. I’m not looking for some weird lore, or deep traumatic stories, or villains that are just the worst, I’m looking for a road trip. When I say “I want another show like Avatar the Last Airbender” what I mean is “I want a story about well fleshed out and enjoyable characters interacting with the world.” And you know what? I got that from Craig of the Creek, the Owl House, and the Ghost and Molly McGee.
I agree with that! And I feel like the next step to evolve the adventure fantasy genre it’s for the characters to come first, everything else come second. You can I have a high steak plot, or more slice of life story, you just Gotta make the characters likable interesting and new. This why a lot of shows from cartoons to anime the live action are usually praise for their characters most of all. No matter how dark or light heart of the story gets if you don’t do anything new or interesting with characters then the show is going to fall flat. And I feel like most modern shows and cartoons forgot that. This is why I actually like filler because filler for a lot of shows is the heart of the show. So yeah, I agree with you
Honestly I feel like when it comes to adventure fantasy, people have their priorities backwards. They think that all the dark aesthetics and bad villains and traumatic stories are what makes it. But its just the dressing. The things that matter are the characters and their relationships with one another. And side note, I love the idea of a group of friends on a road trip driving into a fantasy world.
"I’ve always got this image in my mind about a group of friends wandering around a setting and just doing whatever they want and having fun doing it" Than that's not adventure, that's Slice of life
@Pedro Ian No... it's adventure fantasy. Because it's a fantasy world, and they're having an adventure. Slice of Life is not a slap on sticker that replaces a genre, it's a modifier used to tell different kinds of stories within a genre.
@@missspectra Mmm. If it is indeed a story about 'friends doing whatever they want and having fun doing it' then adventure fantasy would feel more like the modifier
I once got flamed in a discord server by having the audacity to say that Abbott Elementary was more engaging than Amphibia or Steven Universe purely because it was a comedy show made by someone who was inspired by her teacher in sixth grade and as such made a show about teachers being there for their students, and when the showmaker found out that her teacher became an instant fan of the show, she cried.
Fantasy Adventure was supposed to be a vehicle for character introspection the events of the adventure should effect the characters but the newer ones don't the characters stay pretty much the same from beginning to end or do insane rush changes near the end so they can beat the big bad
My biggest complaint with modern cartoons is what i call the Steven Universe cycle (since SU was first show i saw this happened to from beginning to end) Basically a fantasy show will start out slice of life-ish with self contained stories in each episode, giving of an actual *cartoon* vibe. But then for one or two episodes it hints to there being a bigger story. Morr people get invested in the show. The writers keep dropping little chunks of lore to keep the theorist from getting a life. Episodes start all slice of life-ish again. Thr fans only become concerned with theories and lore. This continues on for each season. Through in a promo for an hour long special now and again . Watch the ending. And boom. Everyone acts like this show never existed. I have never seen a action based show of my generation that hasn't acted or almost did this cycle.
The show's overall quality wasn't what i meant. Most animated shows keep using this same format over and over again. It becomes boring and annoying after watching it a dozen times. I don't think A good show would have too repeatedly goat their fans with lore, when the fans signed up for a slice of life show.
The comedy aspect of Gravity Falls has stuck with me more than the mystery stuff ever did. And Alex Hirsch knows this because the secret cyphers that were always at the end of each episode were actually really easy to decode and more often than not very silly. Personal favorite goes to “IT WORKS FOR PIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIGS!” I could never get into the Dragon Prince. I tried. Never really understood the hype around it either. The fact that watching She-ra actually became tedious should have led me to dropping the show all together like I did with SU. Something that I found really interesting when I watch Bojack Horseman reactions is that people in their comment sections are always going on about how “Seriously, it’ll get better” but the reactors are already enjoying the show long before it “gets good” because with all the praise that BH gets for being this ultra deep show about depression, people often forget (or choose to not focus on the fact) that the first half of season one is actually really funny, with the silly visual gags and various animal puns often getting the most laughs. Speaking of, one of the episodes actually dealt with how a character was really struggling to write her sad and serious introspective autobiography yet she was able to write a fun YA comedy series with much more ease and so much less stress. Even the people around her could tell that she enjoys writing the latter more than the former despite her insistence on trying to write something that would “make more of a difference”.
I think the Dragon Prince really demands you as an audience member turn down your brainpower a couple of clicks. I don't necessarily mean that in a bad way, but like... it's like Avatar but without any of the occasional moments of brilliance or overall refinement that characterized that series. It's raw and nerdy and super, like super... not smart. At all. I say this as someone who really loves that show. I'm pretty attached to its characters. But man does it take some getting used to.
bojack horseman getting heralded as one of "the darkest/deepest animated shows of all time" has been so horrific for its reputation because it's like...a fun show! Like of course all the heavy stuff is important to its identity, but a lot of that really comes from following bojack's personal journey; he's seriously the main source of like ALL of the extra heavy stuff because he's such a terrible person, while the rest of the characters' experiences are just real life stuff with all the lows AND highs that come with them. hell, diane's whole arc is about learning her life is better WITHOUT all the drama and "deep" existential nihilism that comes from being around bojack. People praising the show for being so deep and edgy are ultimately missing the point entirely.
@@foxboygender I feel people really underestimate how much Bojack works because it is a comedy, how much the dark stuff gets to you because you see it contrasted with the characters being goofy and happy every once in a while
on bojack horseman i agree; none of its hard-hitting moments would hit hard without the silliness. it'd be just a really depressing mess. my personal favorite plotline has to be the whole spaghetti strainers incident, where it took almost all season to be set up and was so fucking ridiculous and stupid and it was amazing.
@@pablodonner5213 without the silliness then the show would kind of just be another depressive slog. i love that there's just anthropomorphic animals roaming around and there's so many animal puns and tongue twisters. i love its realistic depiction of depression but i love how they balanced the bitter sadness with the hopeful sweetness effectively even more.
I feel like every time I watch one of your videos, I'm like, "Well, I didn't agree with most of that, but I feel like I learned something valuable." Well, I didn't agree with most of that, but I feel like I learned something valuable.
This is basically the Lily experience. I don't agree with some of the stuff she says, and think she is overly harsh pretty often but I agree with her general principal talking points. I had these sorts of feelings on modern media before but never really could express them till I started watching her. Her views are so refreshing in this landscape filled with theories, lore, unnecessarily or overly shipping characters, talks of "deep and mature themes", and what not that plagues modern media discussion. What's even weirder is I don't hear people really have these kinds of opinions other than her and Mikaila. Only very loosely related, there's a channel called "Frustrated Jacob" who's kinda like the Lily of video games, bar the snark, who's also very interesting to watch cause he doesn't fall into the pitfalls of video game discussion way too many people do.
I personally pretended she didn’t seriously try and put Adventure Time in the “boring samey no-personality group” among a few other baffling bits, but man do I appreciate the fact that she actually gives a shit in her vids
As someone who loves adventure fantasy, I just realized that I havent even watched 70% of the shows in that collection of shows in that picture. Somewhere along the line, I also got tired of it and stuck to other things that were very different from A/F or stayed in a single show that had found family vibes.
Since the poster for Brave showed up a few times… act one is centered around the interpersonal drama between mother and daughter. Act two if the fan Stacy adventure. Act three is the action. Take a wild guess which part people resonated with. Which part has all of the compelling scene that people still complement. Act one the family drama. The Fantasy adventure part is still heavily criticized. Everyone hates it. I feel like Brave is a good micro cosim of this problem.
Brave is a weird film for me. It was like they tried to get everything in there at once and it goes no where. The films acts as if the mother is too controlling but she is and isn’t at the same time it feels odd. Some scenes she’s do this to Merida and others she doesn’t and the film wants us to feel for her situation like she’s in the same position as say Anna and Elsa, but she’s not. Unlike those two she had her freedom she had days she could do what she pleases and while her mother didn’t approve of those things she never stopped her from doing them. But then you get scenes where she is giving Merida lessons and making her a proper lady and it throws me off a little. I also can’t ignore that Merida at times acts spoiled. Again unlike Anna and Elsa she has freedom to do as she pleases and does nothing but complain and argue. And yes it sucks she has to marry a man but she don’t wanna be queen why not step down from the throne?? I realise this turned into a rant about the film and not appreciating your comment I do apologise I just had to get this off my chest
For a while now I actually didn't understand what it was about the film people seemed to hate, but this actually makes sense to me. I really liked the mother and daughter theme (I even watched it with my mom) and liked the aesthetic of the film, but if this is why people don't like it then I can agree. Now that I think about it, I didn't really like the third act of the film at all.
This really made me reflect on my time watching amphibia. It made me realize I really don't care about its lore that much. I mostly come back for the comedy and characters. Heck, my favorite characters are two c-listers (Stumpy and Wally) mostly just because they had genuine emotional moments with the protagonist. Stumpy telling her that her parents were proud of her after she helped fix his restraunt and Wally for when they agreed that they don't care about other people thinking they are weird. Thosw are the two moments out of all the actuon scenes or dramatic bits, that stick with me.
Here's the thing, amphibia is a slog through the first season or so. The show didn't really take the time to actually develop their characters so there's not much to be invested in. It's only once Sasha and Marcy became part of the main cast that the show actually gets a little interesting. As much as I like the characters the show gets boring super quickly. It's only once the trio gets back together does anything interesting happen character-wise. Battle of the Bands is my favorite episode because it develops the relationship between the main three and has a cool musical number, but so much of the show is people fucking around and being boring. There's a lot of fun ideas with characters, but the show just keeps shoving more and more in until the cast is too big for the show to handle. Sorry for ranting but I've been watching this show lately and needed to get my thoughts out.
Gonna drop a hot take, not every show needs to be a work of art. For every Gravity Falls or AtLA, it’s nice to have a few action adventures with decent fight scenes and mediocre plots to binge while hunting for shiny Pokémon or crocheting. I feel like it’s the mediocre shows that help me appreciate the good ones.
I was wondering why on Earth it was that Wander Over Yonder, an episodic silly romp in space, was cropping up in the "Adventure Fantasy" shlock pile... Then I realized I had completely forgotten about the second season. For good reason too! I miss season one WoY. It was a cute show.
I’ve always said that one of the worst things a film/show/book/etc. can do is be boring. I completely agree. I see it the most with books in fact; unless I care about the characters (even then) or there’s a certain element brought into it that changes the formula up a bit, my adhd brain can’t focus or care about it for very long. I don’t like a lot of YA romance because so much of it is teenage girl dislikes teenage boy but then learns about him and starts to like him. Even then, so much of it is all the same.
“People who were 24 in 2013 and obsessed with Steven Universe are now 33. It’s likely that real life has caught up with them.” You didn’t need to call me out, Lily! 😂 One thing I want to add about The Ghost and Molly McGee is that I loved her rap about Abraham Lincoln. She literally used the word “slavery”, not a euphemism for or an allusion to it, in the time of triggered snowflake conservatives crying and whining about Critical Race Theory. Boss move.
The first time i saw Raya, i thought it was underwhelming but harmless. The second time i watched it, i realized it was a horrible, boring, victim-blaming mess.
It's a long haul, but check out Xiran's video on Raya, it is *so much more* and worse than that!!! Made me realise that the "representation" was just excuses for the production crew to take trips to places they never been before but wanted to go (ala Adam Sandler) They got so much wrong _it takes FOUR times as long as the movie_ to point it all out!!! But the tl;Dr is a vast majority of the lore is either lesser known Chinese mythology or central/steppes Asian *NOT* southern Asian, and also picked cis women performers over LGBT. All because they were afraid of losing Chinese market appeal.
I like the lore and the comedy aspect about the same lol. I like Amphibia because I genuinely had fun watching it. Some people treat it like it's the most deep thing ever and it's not. It's a simple and sometimes beautiful show, and I like that about it.
The word deep has honestly become a buzzword. Amphibia was always a show about kids experiencing life in other world and growing up from their experiences. It had good life lessons for kids.
@@insertrelevantusername8760 not the most deep thing ever, but still manages to be deep to a considerable extent, talking about toxic friendships and healing
I like angst, but lighthearted shows are also great. Angst is only good when you lighthearted moments anyway. That means there is still hope. unique story and characters are also needed in order to have good angst. I LOVE CHARACTER BASED STORIES THAT ARE LITRAL AND NOT METAPHORS SO MUCH.
angst is intresting because you can see how people react, and how it affects them How characters work together. Not because it's edgy like people think it is.
Honestly, I love adventure fantasy but never for the reasons others it. I hate having to rewatch stuff just to understand what the hell is going on, magic systems are too complicated for me to ever understand and I'd rather gouge out my own eyes than deal with the stupidly dark crap. No, I really like the found family aspect and the support of each character. Most of the time in adventure fantasy they tend to become a found family, at least in the good ones. Coming from different places and finding comfort in each other even in this bad situation. Its why Raya was so disappointing and why I enjoy things like Owl House more. It's why I stuck with crap like RWBY for so long.
@@cadweirdness6133 ah okay. I have never heard of this series so I was a little confused and thought was an acronym for the full name of the series(kinda like ATLA for Avatar the last airbender) but no the series is just called RWBY.
Not me coming up with an entire slice of life idea while watching this. It's strange because I enjoy adventure fantasy in a... superficial way, I guess? I like the thought of becoming fast friend with a group of people but getting to really know one another over time. I like the thought of a world with magic because I can believe there's a better world than ours out there. I never watched the Lord of the Rings because elitists kept telling me how it was better than everything I enjoyed, and no 12yo wants to hear that. But when I watched it with my friend last year, seeing the 'good guys' win and the 'bad guys' lose was _literally_ all I wanted and I _got_ that. Sam sticking with Frodo? Beautiful. The ring being destroyed? Immaculate. The war that was happening at the same time? I got a little bored, but they were brethren too. It's so hard to watch fantasy stuff because people think that good guys winning and bad guys losing is _bad_ somehow, but it was my escapist fantasy. I don't even need the adventure since some of my actual favorite books and shows are slice of life, I just need it to be detached enough from our world or the world I perceive that I can believe that world might just be better than this one. With all this botching of themes (thank you for including Raya) and needing to make everything bigger than necessary and dragging out the plot for no reason, I get so tired that I just look up character interaction compilations on RU-vid or Twitter instead of actually watching the show. The current exception being Legends of Tomorrow. I can't even really say I like fantasy adventure, I just like fantasy.
Obviously I’m writing this before the video premieres, I’ll probably do another one afterwards. Fantasy Adventure is fun in bursts, I think. When every cartoon turns into it, though… we start to get bored of it! Just like any other medium, variety is key.
In Ancient Greece, tragedies were considered the more noble genre in theater than comedy, thus during theater festivals they were given more time on stage. Strange how history repeats itself.
I think if I had to pick my favorite fantasy adventure series, it would the Percy Jackson series and the various other books by Rick Riordan. I could go on an hours long thesis about why this series is amazing, but at its core I love it because Uncle Rick never forgets that his characters are children. Yeah, they're super human demigods that can kill monsters in the blink of an eye, but they're still children going on these super dangerous quests for Gods that most of the time see them as nothing more than expendable nuisances. I feel like Avatar was the only other series to really hammer in the idea of our main heroes being children fighting an adult's war and all the consequences and troubles that come with that. Steven Universe tried to do that at times, particularly after the time skip, but I feel like it was glossed over more than it should have been
Your ideas and thoughts are always refreshing to hear. On a side note, my wife and I love Craig of the Creek so much. That for my birthday she got me a Craig of the Creek shirt, that on the back says. Just like I drew it. My highlight was a kid seeing it and getting excited seeing it. Keep up the great videos!
I love adventure fantasy but I pretty much subscribed to you entirely because you were tearing into things that I loved at the time (suffice to say that I'm no longer a Steven Universe fan) and therefore found your views interesting. I look forwards to hearing out this video.
You know, what you said, Lily really got me thinking about making my own projects: if you don’t want to read, feel free to skip: I’m a hobbyist writer and I’m making a story aimed at kids and teenagers called Star Cross Warriors, where it’s basically Transformers meets Hello Kitty. It’s mostly about a group of cutesy critters befriending giant robots who come from a war-torn planet with a toxic masculinity warrior culture. Both of these two very different groups learn from each other and grow thanks to their friendship. I want to make the critters the main characters but I also want to make the robot their own characters as well since they have y their own character arcs and goals as well. The story does take place in the magical critter world but they do visit the grimdark robot world when they start invading the critter world and originally only go there to defend themselves and take back their world, but they also learn about all the victims and prisoners of war in the robot world, not to mention thousands of robot people starving and scared out of their lives and the critters now decide to take back both their worlds and save these poor people. I know what I’ve described is very longwinded and I’m terrible at pitching but what I’m hoping is that this idea will be devoid of all the bad fantasy adventure shows out there and remains cute and wholesome but also emotionally deep and nuanced. I’ve always believed in keeping things deep and simple than shallow and complex and I hope what I’ve written hits that checkmark
I would watch that! I’m also hobby writer. Right now I have three stories in the works right now. One Is Fantasy adventure, one is slice of life, I want to slap mix of serialization and episodic storytelling. The fancy avenger one in the most nervous about. Because I made to be a character crafting story, but I’m worried most people oh focus on the Lore more.
@@jaredtheastralartist2510 don’t worry about those people who focus on lore, as long as you don’t deliberately put attention to the lore nerds then your fine
@@LightSpectris I really do like adventure fantasy. I agree that cartoons are kind of dragging it out, but that doesn’t mean you can’t do anything interesting with it. However won of the main reasons why I am so afraid to make it is not only the fact that it might have bad pacing and writing, (but that’s nothing studying can’t fix.) but The fact that Lily might not like it. And while we had help me out in a large way when it comes to writing, is it bad that I’m writing a show just on the base of that she’ll like it?
@@jaredtheastralartist2510 hey I’m guilty of that too but I believe it’s best to see Lily’s approval as a bonus rather than a necessity. Think of it as a seal of approval, that’s what I’m doing
The whole concept of what should and shouldn't be for kids is like everywhere like I read a book series as a child, that had a shit ton of bloody animal violence. and it is in the children sections. But as an adult if I reread them I love the very soft and cute moments now.
11:18 "[Raya and the Last Dragon] is what would happen when Lord of the Rings had angry violent sex with Princess Mononoke" what the fuck, I did not need that in my head.
I am a person who loved a lot of the fantasy shows I watched, I liked the lore building and the fantasy and exploring a new world, and I was 100% one of the people excited for Raya and the last dragon and absolutly hated it by the end and I 100% LOVE Luca and Enchanto! They are my favorite movies ever right now! I still love a good story about a fantasy world and exploring it, as long as the show is still GOOD, but I also 100% do not want every show to be that! To much of anything can be bad! After watching this I want to check out the ghost series Lily kept mentioning! I been looking for something to watch!
Molly Mcgee and Hilda are two shows I really want to just sit down at some point and give a proper watch. Don't get me wrong I like the occasional angsty high stakes epic fantasy adventure much as the next person but something light-hearted, gently but poignantly emotional and most importantly of all fun is good for the heart and blood pressure. Also yeah it's really annoying when people keep saying you absolutely 'have' to watch so-and-so. Like, do people not get that the pushier they are in getting someone to watch something the less inclined that someone is to watch it? "Oh but you must watch Amphibia." No, no I do not. I mean I have and I enjoy it but that's because I discovered it at my own pace rather than being hounded into it. Also, I liked your dig at a lot of current adult cartoons, a lot of them are absolute ass these days.
If I give this person anything- besides his valid critiques into Steven Universe and Catra- adult cartoons are just porn and blood. Take My Adventures with Superman. All I waited for was the profanity and was way too impressed when it went a whole episode and then *THREE* without it. Eventually it clicked that they weren’t going to swear. And the fights weren’t bloody, a story is developed slowly about the tech weapons and the concurring CADMUS conspiracy that ties in with Clark’s past. Who is a character with developments and insecurities who is liable to be tricked or pushed to irritation and anger but not in a dark way. Just the most reasonable of reactions when godly power is in your hands restrained as it is. A cheeky chaos god will get a door slammed in their face or thrown at a wall.
I hadn’t really sat back and realized how many adventure fantasy cartoons there are today until now. Granted, it’s a somewhat vague/wide genre, but it does make me realize what kinds of shows from my own childhood were different from that formula. “Courage the Cowardly Dog” was a horror/comedy (depending on the episode). “Powerpuff Girls” and “Teen Titans” were superhero action shows. “Scooby Doo” was mystery/comedy. Okay, so there was a lot of comedy stuff… but they were all different “flavors” of comedy. Some were slapstick. Some were witty. Some were laugh-out-loud funny. Some were internal-chuckling kind of funny. I think part of it is the shift from short episodic storytelling to a focus on long-form storytelling. I mean, when you watch an episode of, say, “Scooby Doo” everything is handled in one episode. Each episode has a beginning, middle, and end. And you can usually watch them in whatever order you please. It was easy to pickup and put down. You were there for a single story, not just one part of a larger story. Now, granted, some genres do better in a longer format than an episodic one. And some genres can pull off both (crime dramas, for example. You have your episodic shows like “Law & Order” and your long-form shows like “The Wire”. Both are good in their own ways). But I think these adventure fantasy cartoons are too focused on telling longer narratives. It’s why filler episodes in these shows can be so annoying. Filler episodes are episodic, since they rarely advance the larger plot. But then you’re inserting an episodic story in the middle of a longer story and it can feel like you’re getting sidetracked. “Steven Universe” is a good example of this problem. Anyway, I guess that’s my two cents. I like “Amphibia” (mostly because I like the characters, setting, and the mix of fantasy, comedy, and horror elements) and I like other adventure fantasy cartoons/animations, but even I admit there are flaws in this approach and I can see the value in cartoons being willing to explore other genres and story structures.
While I like fantasy cartoons, I do miss the action cartoons of the late '90s and 2000s with shows like The Powerpuff Girls, My Life as a Teenage Robot, and Kim Possible.
Yeah, definitely agree on how things have been getting a bit copy and paste for action-adventure in cartoons and most likely why I've drifted away from watching cartoons as a whole bc I don't want to sink time into something that is asking me to actively think about it constantly. And I don't want to bc I have other stuff to focus on besides entertainment during the day. Plus sometimes I just want to laugh, cry, etc without having it be connected to what is especially a lore dump for a story.
i do agree with you on this a bit. The fantasy genre is oversaturated nowadays and is the new fashion statement but mostly that are considered "for kids" but trying to be dark like ATLA are the ones are annoying and more misses than hits. On their own separate plane of existence like your favorite but like adventure time, ok ko and wander actually are a passes because they dont take it as seriously they still got bits of it but not as hardcore as the others. I do wish for shows like molly mcgee and the twitter mobs who wanted it to be dark are dumb and dont know how to have fun or love a simple story.
I mostly like amphibia for the characters, mostly Anne and the planters I really like the Dynamics they all have together and I also thoroughly enjoyed Mr and Mrs boonchuy and I thought their relationship was quite cute I am a little worried that they're going to try and get grimdark for the last part of the last season but I'm hoping the ending is nice.
@@wallygay685 to me, Steven Universe built a lot of memories and got me interested in psycology and mental health study, I have always kinda known the show had a bad writing, but it wouldn't matter that much to me because I loved the therapeutic moments and the relaxing songs Seeing Lily show all of those racist irresponsible acts made by the crew made me feel horrible, that's what destroyed the show for me
@@wallygay685 But the movie really isn't that good. It's just more of the show. Steven Universe had "good" songs slapped on horrible/lame episodes too, music isn't everything. They gave us Steg. The Steven x his dad fusion that then hit on his mom (Pearl). *Ick.*
Long time watcher, rare commenter here. Just wanted to say thank you for all of these thoughtful videos over the years, Lily! In my time watching your videos, I've gone from a teenager making brainless comments to a published children's book author, and an awful lot of quotes from you have made it into my creative toolbox when it comes to assessing my work for quality. I've watched and taken note of your criticisms over the years, especially in regards to LGBT+ representation and cartoons that try to be "mature" and fail, and it's stopped me from a lot of stupid decisions. Keep up the fantastic work, always looking forward to the next Glass of Water. :)
Don't think it's quite fair to group Young justice into this genre, it's more a melodramatic superhero soap opera kinda like the star wars prequels more than a fantasy adventure.
ehhhhh season 2 and season 3......were awful. It felt bloated, glossed over with so many half explained DC easter eggs and references, too many characters and the main conflicts just weren't that exciting. While I like Halo as a character, her main role was "oh wowee look at me, see how mature we are, there's blood and violence." I would like to say seasons 1 and 4 are the best. Because they've focused on the individual characters more.
I'm not normally one to judge people based on what they do or don't like. I'm the first to admit to having guilty pleasures or unironic pleasures that SHOULD be guilty pleasures. But I have my limits. For example, if you watch anime, I might tease you casually, but won't think less of you. If you like Redo of a Healer, I want to never meet you. And if you toss Wander Over _Fucking_ Yonder as being as "insufferably dull" as Vol//on, I just have to assume that you are completely devoid of joy.
Not at all! Now, darn, I kinda dismissed Molly McGee as a standard Brandy and Mr.Whiskers Roommate Comedy show, but now you make me want to check it out.
I think Voltron was the show that made me realize how much I don't care for adventure fantasy much. I love Owl house ans Gravity Falls, and I loved how voltron started out very comedy based with a bunch of bros being cheesey and visiting planets. It was fun that way. My favorite episode is the second when they are all failing to make voltron again and have to work out their problems. The show got worse and worse as it chased bs romances, made its nonwhite characters background characters, made its women dependent on men, and made some of the worst plot decisions that even I at 15 hated it. I still love the first two seasons as just a ham and cheese fest. But now I realize how much I dislike the genre, especially going back to shows I used to love as a kid like Korra.
Yeah post season 2 it started slipping. Post season 5 it really went downhill. Like having zarkons permadeath just happening in the middle of the season. It really did fall off.
If people want an adventure fantasy they should go check out the Redwall series. It's got good characters, good villains, good story, and character deaths. Honestly I'm not doing a good job of pitching it, but give it a quick watch, it's only 39 episodes total (13 if you only want to watch the first season).
video's like this are why i believe you're channel is beautiful. the persona you put on online, it doesn't feel hollow or false. Rage and squealing over cute creatures and characters and things of the sort, not conveying any immediate fear to speak the truth as you see it. best of wishes to you're channel's future growth
I semi-agree with this video. I agree that people should focus what having a more variety of content In shows with new and interesting ideas, but it doesn’t mean an adventure fantasy show can’t be good. When you Show the list of adventure fantasy I saw Okko in there, and I feel like that’s also a really good show Because it’s less about the plot and more about the characters. And a lot of shows now are like this. I know you’re Not that much into anime, but Anime right now has a lot of really good character crafted stories some slice of life to action. My general tip when it comes to writing a story is that the characters come first, everything else second. Spend as much Time fletching out you characters to make them not only enjoyable, but written well. THEN If you wanna include the story, Make it tailor made to the characters. This way, for example if you wanted to make a villain redemption, build it up, make it believable, and ignore what Steven universe did. So I would say Adventure fantasy is drowned out in cartoons, I would say don’t still make any more. Just keep other shows out of your mind And try to do something new and interesting with it
" but it doesn’t mean an adventure fantasy show can’t be good" You shouldn't try to disagree with a point that wasn't made. Everything can work "if done well" that's a basic reality of life, and people need to stop regurgitating it ad nauseam in response to any criticism of a trope or genre. It's a thought terminating cliche designed specifically to deafen you to what is actually being said. Adventure Fantasy CAN be done well. But the problem is that is ISN'T
@@LilianOrchard sorry, I just want to get my thoughts out And I thought what I was saying Whould disagree with what you said. My bad. But seriously though you help me a lot when it comes to my writing in certain subjects. So thanks. I’d really be interested in you talking about the stories you’ve made because I’m interested.
Seriously, why do adults asks an AIMED FOR KIDS CARTOONS to be more ""mature"? It's like saying, add some cartoon characters to do inappropriate stuff in front of kids. Just... "WHY????"
Adventure fantasy is fun, but you can only stomach so much of it. This is why I like We Bare Bears, it's a fun little down to earth show to watch in between seasons of The Owl House.
I noticed that too, there aren't anymore sci-fi cartoons either. It's all about fantasy, slice of life and comedy. I miss shows like Generator Rex and Transformrs. A lot of those shows are too similar to the point of being stale. I want to see sci-fi and action shows again.
This comment isn't directed at Lilly and I'd much rather if she just ignores it because it is basically nitpick as far as the video is concerned and I'm not trying to het her to watch anything. Ya really can't lump Wander Over Yander with the rest because it's not even fantasy, it's Sci-fi fantasy (think Star Wars) meets the Looney Tunes. The main focus is comedy, the character development happens to the main antagonist, not Wander. And despite the show getting darker in season two and Wander's extreme pacifism from the start, it doesn't go the way you think it would. And OK KO is technically in the superhero genre. Gravity Falls is urban fantasy if you consider the X-files as urban fantasy. Steven Universe? Is that fantasy? Maybe this just speaks of how broad and maliable the genres are.
I don’t think the problem is Adventure/Fantasy as a genre but more what people do with it. Young, adventure-loving protagonist with their funny sidekick + straight man side kick with something stressful going on in their family life (separation/death/whatever). It’s rare people do something new with the genre. Last time I saw a unique action/fantasy it was Samurai Jack.
I love slice of life and Fantasy Adventure. But I have a much higher standard for FA than Slice of Life. I love Craig of the Creek, its wholesome and I feel like I get a lot out of watching those characters. Slice of Life as a genre is my favorite because it has a kind of limitless potential imo, because it's based on how the characters interact and that can change a single scene so much if you just swap one character out. FA, because of that samey-bullshit you talked about, has a lot of shows I skip over, truly. But I do still love it, and I have some shows I really love out of it, like Owl House and Gravity Falls. I just wish more FA writers and producers would learn from the blandness in the genre. The fantasy aspect gives you so much potential to work with. It's kinda sad how much is wasted by people just rotating the same things.
Oh, I definitely like it. I try to only binge shows I’ve already watched. For me, Amphibia is one of the few adventure fantasies on that list Lily shows that has rewatch value to me. I just don’t understand why people say it’s more adult oriented. Only thing I can think of is the rather tame dark humor.
Have you seen all of season 3 of Amphibia? Because if you haven't you should, and maybe reconsider. Even though the show ended, the extensive of season 3 is a lot of more action packed, storytelling. It even has one of my favorite beloved villains, Darcy.
10:58 iM In pAiN You’re the first person I’ve heard say they don’t like arcane (besides all the people hating on it Bc of cait and vi probably being a thing lmao) But I guess you have not watched it tho so. I guess technically not
I tend to like adventure fantasy despite all the cliche worldbuilding and half-baked stories, but only if the characters are fun. I don't like waiting months for a story to wrap up, and I've never liked youtube theorizing, but I definitely like seeing Anne interact with her frog family, or Sasha gradually realize she's an abuser, or the background characters act silly. I don't watch it for the plot, I watch it for the people.
Honestly, I mostly like adventure fantasy because I enjoy world building a lot, but I agree that it has been overdone and tends to be very similar when I would really like to see people try new things.
I love the first season of Amphibia where Anne is learning & coming to understand the Plantars. The adventure was serviceable too but by the time the "big reveal" about the king & world rolled around I was getting turned off by the... generic ness (?) of the fantasy you're critiquing here. It felt like it was trying too hard to be a Miyazaki film through world building "twists" instead of genuine story. I'm glad they brought back the spirit of season one more recently but yeah, the animated fantasy adventure genre has def become saturated and samey. This is true in video games too and I find myself retreating back to games in the genre that are a decade old or older to really cut my teeth anymore.
The problem with bringing back the spirit of season 1 is that you lose all of the tension caused by the mess that is “True Colors” for like HALF OF A SEASON and then you drag it out even longer only drip feeding us meaningful plot once in a blue moon. That would be fine if the content that we were building up to was actually worth it. And it’s not.
@@infinityheart_tm9270 That's the thing though, season 1 was more character driven and fittingly episodic where as the "plot" in season 2 is where the show started to falter into trying too hard to be a grand overarching adventure like many other fantasy series. The "drip feeding" is exactly problem caused by Lily's category of action/adventure/fantasy shows trying to build fandom hype. Granted, not all of the character driven episodes were bangers but season 1 was very distinct from other fantasy shows for the demographic and most character-driven episodes were better than... whatever the heck they were trying to do with Andrias and the Calamity Box becoming some giant sci-fantasy epic twisty tale towards the end.
@@inuendo6365 I feel like a lot of my hatred for Amphibia is just how overhyped it actually is and how the rabid fans are very much incapable of recognizing that Amphibia was trying way too hard to be something that it wasn’t cut out to be.
Some of these takes actually hurt me on a spiritual level. I agreed with most of the shows on your generic fantasy list but a view of them itched me the wrong way. But then…. “I don’t talk about Vi and Caitlyn cause the show they’re in isn’t worth watching” 💀
@@shadowskys7288 If I didn't watch something, then I don't have an opinion on it other than "don't wanna." If I did watch it, I do have an opinion on it. Are we all clear?
@@LilianOrchard would you be interested in making a video about it? Cause i personally love the show and constantly rewatch it all the time, and i think its amazing because of the amount of effort the writers put into the characters. You can rewatch the show over and over again and keep finding new details about them with different camera angles, shots, simbolysm. I would like to know what you didnt like about it.
This is nice to hear. I have ADHD which is fairly mild but makes it impossible to watch shows like Amphibia. Because there's sooo many nothing-ness episodes. I youtubed the important plot points and watched the interactions between the girls, and Sasha and Grime, and the ending, and it was all really good. But I can't sit (or stand cos ADHD makes sitting down in general a hardass chore) through the rest to get to those parts.
i have the opposite problem ^_^’ when i watch shows like amphibia while on my meds i hyperfocus for hours and forget to do stuff like eat or use the restroom lmao. if i am having trouble focusing i draw or study with the show in the bg :-)
Basically you have a problem with the slice of life elements of the show. Honestly your thoughts on the show don’t really match up with Lily’s problems. Lily’s problems were more around the plot and lore than the episodic episodes that you don’t like. So I’m not sure what your talking about here.
And honestly your description of the show fits more with season 1. Season 2 and onwards have more the plot stuff that you might want from the show. So basically either have some patience with Amphibia or just give up on it as it looks like it’s not fast paced enough for you.
I also have ADHD and that problem with nearly every adventure phanasy show, i keep being told I have to watch sher-ra because I'm gay and I got through like one season, but the only way I can watch shows is by binging and it's soo boring to bingee
I find it amazing that while we're getting so many adventure fantasy cartoons anime is making more slice of life than anything with barely any adventure fantasy and the slice of life are still mostly ignored
Liking gay rep but hating the show that its represented in is valid, if the shows writing is terrible ..ITS TERRIBLE. No gay rep can fix a terribly written story and i think thats very fair
I think you opinions are valid in this video, and while I might disagree with some of your points, I do agree there is a huge problem with white favoritism in the adventure-fantasy cartoon setting and that slice of life cartoons are being SUPER underrated . However I think it’s unfair for you to say that there isn’t any passion behind these shows just because you don’t think they are uninteresting and unoriginal. Cartoons are a lot of work and it take some amount of passion to create a show.
On sorta the same token, as someone who loves fantasy, I've just realized that I actually have a soft spot for Middle Grade Fantasy than Epic Fantasy or even YA. Idk I think it's because the genre has more emphasis on what children find entertaining and enriching that in the "epic lore Fantasy" story that makes nerds cream themselves
I don't mind fantasy adventure, as long as the story is interesting but balances out with slice-of-lufe episodes and the characters are likeable. But it's not for everyone.
Hahah I love the insinuation that Libby is Molly’s girlfriend Nothing more to say, I just like Libby and Molly together! Their so cute and lovely towards each other 💕💕
I really do wish Benson and Troy got actual screentime in Kipo, instead most of the story was just about trying to redeem the next villain which just wasn’t as interesting to me :/
Now this is just making me think about how Scooby-Doo: Mystery Incorporated is just... Not good. It's one of the most popular incarnations of Scooby-Doo but like... It's just not very good! It's trying to have an ongoing adventure fantasy storyline which in concept I'm fine with. As a mystery show, an overarching mystery being threaded throughout the series is not a bad idea. Gravity Falls was able to do it well, so in theory that should be able to apply to Scooby-Doo too. Maybe it could add some context and a reason why the gang is traveling all over the place. But in spite of how people praise that aspect of the show... No. In a lot of ways the ongoing storyline just makes things dumber and worse. And insufferable. They have a few interesting ideas, but don't actually go into them with any kind of depth or play with those ideas in fun ways. When Scooby-Doo Mystery Incorporated is just... Being Scooby-Doo, it's fun and good! But this relationship drama is wretched, and the overarching story actually robs Scooby-Doo of the one important and powerful thing that it's always tried to teach kids. To not blindly trust authority and to think critically and look under the mask at the actual human person behind these bad things happening. But nah. A space demon from another dimension cursed everyone to make them want to do masked crime now. Say what you will about the quality of Scooby-Doo as a franchise, but it's stuck around in popular consciousness for good reason. Part of it is the story template, and part of it is the characters. I think it's fine to experiment and try new things with the format and characters, but with how they decided to go about this ongoing story... If there's one thing that I shouldn't be asking while watching Scooby-Doo, it would be, "Why are these kids friends? They clearly dislike one another." Which is exactly what Mystery Incorporated constantly makes me feel. They're meanspirited, constantly fighting, and in some ways these relationships are actually unhealthy. Literally alls you have to do with Scooby-Doo is have these kids be good friends that feel good to hang around, and solve a mystery together. But Mystery Incorporated managed to fuck that up and a lot of that can be attributed to this serialization. Scooby-Doo has always thrived on episodic storytelling. It doesn't need to be Dark and Deep and Edgy to be enjoyable. And those things don't make it mature. My favorite parts of Scooby-Doo are just the little interactions between the characters. I like seeing these kids be friends. And sure, it may be a monster/mystery of the week show and not a slice of life, but sometimes that's all you need. Good characters that you like being around and an excuse for them to interact in fun and interesting ways. But within Scooby-Doo fan culture, I sometimes feel alone in this regard. :/
One of the fanfics I've been working on was based on an adventure fantasy anime. The show was perfectly serviceable, but it was nothing special and a bit of a slog at times. My story, however, is about one of the main protagonists going back home afterwards and just settling back into a normal life. Getting to be a kid again, getting a boyfriend and coming out as trans. All really down to earth stuff, things actual children go through. It's been a joy to write (excluding some minor writers block), and there's no need for unnecessary lore dumps or mysteries that don't go anywhere. It's simple, it's sweet, and it's emotionally moving. So many people just don't get that a simple story can be just as good and is usually better. This is why I scrapped a large portion of another story idea I had because it was turning it towards an adventure fantasy when it should be a slice of life. The story is about interpersonal relationship, recovering from loss, and standing up to an abuser. The lore isn't important, the characters are. And focusing on the lore would only lead to the characters not getting the development they needed. I unfortunately had to sacrifice some great Saturday morning cartoon type villains, but it was a worthy sacrifice. I do miss them. Maybe I can find a way to bring them back, but who knows. I guess the point of this is that adventure fantasy is overrated, and I wish more shows would go slice of life instead.
I was almost with you.... until you bagged on Arcane. Sorry, but that show was great in every conceivable way. Writing, characters, art, audio, voice acting... all of it was top notch.
Same, I’d love to know why she thinks that. I thought it was a pretty good show. She definitely has some good points, I’m just really curious about that now xD
I really hope you're right and that we ARE through the worst of it. I hope all these same-y shows are motivating new and upcoming creators to REALLY pick their brains and come up with something new and refreshing when it comes to fantasy.
I want fantasy slice of life... I'on give a fuck about high stakes plots, I just want the gays to exist in an apartment they share but also there's dragons. And three moons.
While I don't agree with every take presented here, WOW does it ring true in the bigger picture. It's like they refuse any level of creativity, like they're obsessed with recycling the same story OVER AND OVER with no regard for actual artistic merit and integrity. Regarding the GOT/ASOIAF thing, I won't try to defend it completely. It's very much a messy story, in every aspect, but I'd argue that books achieve a greater and more artistically rich vision than anything Dumb and Dumber ever vomited from their hellhole. All in all, great video!
