Do You Need A Cloudlifter? | Shure SM7B + Cloudlifter CL-1

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Do you need to use a Cloudlifter with your microphone? In this video, you will learn when an inline preamp like the Cloudlifter is necessary, the benefits of using one, and you'll hear the difference for yourself with some audio examples.
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00:00 - Introduction
00:43 - Do You Need An Inline Preamp?
00:53 - Question #1
01:18 - Question #2
02:58 - Question #3
05:05 - Question #4
06:24 - Audio Test (Focusrite Scarlett 2i2 & Shure SM7B)
07:20 - Audio Test (Universal Audio Apollo Twin & Shure SM7B)
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@ContentMonsters Год назад

FANTASTIC! 👏🏾🔊💯

@MichaelNatrin 2 года назад

Great video! Thanks for showing alternate options at the end and for explaining everything with actual gain dB levels.

@AudioUniversity 2 года назад

Glad it was helpful! Thanks for watching and commenting, Michael!

@MrMPodcast Год назад

I just bought a Shure SM7B combined with a Wave XLR and without a cloud lifter the volume is super low, and exactly like you said if I bump up the gains...hello noises...Fantastic video thank you so much 👍🏼

@FightingThroughPodcast Год назад

Thank you so much. The most competent explanation of all this stuff I've come across!

@joecaner Год назад

I'm a big fan of the Cloudlifter CL-Z which has HI pass and Hi/Lo output switches and a variable impedance knob which allows one to dial in tone by selecting the input impedance from 150-15K ohms. It is very versatile bit of kit.

@nickeno Год назад

I felt like I learned so much in less than 10 minutes. Great video!

@AudioUniversity Год назад

Glad to help!

@mrwanggolf Год назад

This is the way. My exact setup for Shure SM7B.

@JoshuaC923 2 года назад

Thanks for the explanation, no wonder my dynamic my sounded so soft with my Scarlett 2i2

@DuaneDouglas Год назад

This is extremely helpful for a new streamer like myself. I already have a Samson Q9U. So, this video will be very useful when shopping for an audio interface.

@AudioUniversity Год назад

Glad it was helpful!

@joelepley 2 года назад

Thanks for yet another excellent video! I'd say that the short, unhelpful answer to the question of "Do you need a Cloudlifter?" is "Only if it would result in a lower SNR." Now if we all already knew when that was, we wouldn't be asking the question. My background is more in electronics, broadcast, and RF engineering, so I really appreciate your audio expertise. I'd also add that another situation where using a Cloudlifter or similar preamp might be helpful is when dealing with long cable runs and/or noisy environments. Putting the CL as close as possible to the microphone means that you're amplifying the signal prior to noise intrusion or line losses, which should improve SNR. One example I can think of where I could have used a CL is when I ran the board for a radio station DJ who once pulled a stunt where he broadcast from a lawn chair on the top of the studio building, overlooking the highway. I had to build a long (75 foot or more) XLR cable, and, to make matters worse, the studios were co-located with an AM broadcast tower that seemed to bleed its signal into everything electronic, even when using balanced audio. That broadcast didn't sound good at all, and though I couldn't have done anything about the road noise, I could've reduced other sources of noise by having another 25 dB of signal before the noise started getting in. Additionally, another related benefit for using a CL or any other form of low-noise amplification with long cable runs has to do with the inherent capacitance of audio cable, which increases linearly with cable length. The physics of R-C circuits means that long cable runs want to act like low pass filters, rolling off your high frequencies and causing phase distortion. If a CL has already amplified the signal prior to the long cable run, the higher input signal might allow us to use a lower impedance input to our next gain stage or ADC, which would increase the center frequency of the RC filter. In turn, this would reduce its amplitude and phase effects in the audible frequency range.

@AudioUniversity 2 года назад

Thanks for taking the time to share this information, Joel! It's nice to have input from a more technical perspective!

@dr.bijuvarghese6805 Год назад

I am enlightened Sir. Thanks.

@dr.bijuvarghese6805 Год назад

Thanks a lot for your valuable input Sir.

@straycatds Год назад

This was a fantastic breakdown, thank you so much for this.

@AudioUniversity Год назад

Glad it was helpful!

@andyhsong 2 года назад

this is my new favorite channel!!!

@AudioUniversity 2 года назад

Thanks, Andrew!

@mickedavis3503 10 месяцев назад

I use a Cloud lifter with my Focusrite Clarett+ 2Pre and it made a big difference with my Shure SM58 when having a video meeting lately. I did not have to turn the volume up significantly with the Cloud lifter. Without the Cloud Lifter I had to rise the volume 75 % .

@toddwmac 2 года назад

Great stuff Kyle...much appreciated!

@AudioUniversity 2 года назад

Thanks! Glad to help.

@vernonjames4265 5 месяцев назад

WELL DONE!! Very helpful.

@HamBands Год назад

Very concise and informative.

@uriel-heavensguardian8949 Месяц назад

awesome!! Thanks for the video

@Xechor 5 месяцев назад

Wish this was the first video I watched. Thank you!

@granite_planet 2 года назад

Thanks for sharing the knowledge! :)

@AudioUniversity 2 года назад

Thanks for watching!

@yapaoficial 15 дней назад

Excelente!! Gracias!

@NickWeissMusic 20 дней назад

My experience: 1) Clark Teknik works just fine for under $40. 2) a high end channel strip or preamp (usually around $500 and up) usually has enough clean gain to negate a booster. 3) if it’s a loud source, you can get by with a consumer interface, but if you have to max the gain, there’s usually audible noise. My suggestion: get the Klerk Teknik and get on with your recording ;) anything more expensive works fine too, but at worst the differences are a minor eq tweak, essentially indistinguishable.

@josantos1213 10 месяцев назад

Amazing video, great techinical explanation in a very ditactic way.

@via_negativa6183 Год назад

This is hands down the best video I've seen on this topic. Excellent work. I've noticed that the official focus rite drivers are really quiet compared to the ones windows assigns despite input being turned to full in the driver. Wtf is up with that?

@AudioUniversity Год назад

Thanks! I’m not sure about the difference in the drivers. Maybe Focusrite just wanted to offer more digital headroom for the user. Of course, the analog headroom will remain the same with both drivers.

@via_negativa6183 Год назад

@@AudioUniversity Thanks for the response. Well, I struggled getting a stable level of clean gain at -18 out of a first gen even with a CL1 without it being too noisey and this was driving me crazy. So I tried a M-A192|4 and... problem is solved 🙈/shrug oh well looks like I have a new interface.

@tomtomclubsandwhich 6 месяцев назад

really helpful. Thanks Kyle!

@AudioUniversity 6 месяцев назад

Thanks, Tom!

@MichaelW.1980 2 года назад

Lets add some more information, that might be useful here: 1) There is actually one inline preamp available that you might use with a condenser microphone, namingly the "FetHead Phantom" by the comapny Tritonaudio, not to be cofused with the "Fethead" by the same company. This inline preap passes through phantom power and thus is mean to be used with microphones that require phantom power. Its important to know this difference, because the "Fethead Phantom" might destroy a dynamic microphone without a transformer and it will destory ANY ribbon microphone. So you actually need to differentiate between inline preamp that don't pass through phantom power and those which actually do. 2) To figure out, what kind of preamplification you need, you also need to understand not only the gain, but also what the interface considers it’s maximum input level. Simple math does the rest: Gain Range (dB) - Max Level in (dBu) = the actual gain, if you will. Examples: The Scarlett 2i2 gives you 56dB of gain range and has a maximum input level of +9dBu. 56dB - 9dBu = 47dBFS@0dBu of (comparable) gain. The MOTU M2 has a maximum input level in of 10dBu, but therefore a gain range of 60dB. 60dB - 10dBu = 50dBFS@0dBu of (comparable) gain. And as a reference: 50dBFS@0dBu are enough to drive the Shure SM7B. Wanna know if it’s noisy? Check for the EIN (which is calculated at maximum gain) and dynamic range (which is calculated at minimum gain). If you have an EIN that goes to -128dBu (negative 128dBu!) or lower, and if your dynamic range is 110dB or higher, you can be sure, it will not be noisy and an inline preamp will NOT give you a lower self-noise. And PLEASE try to understand: Self-Noise is the noise of your equipment. Ambiance noise is the noise in your room. And for many - if not most people, the ambiance noise is higher, because of the PC or an Air conditioner in the same room as the microphone and due to bad treatmant of the room.

@AudioUniversity 2 года назад

Wow! Thanks for taking the time to share this info, Michael!

@tearsandflwers Год назад

How can i tell if its self noise or room noise, i dont have any air conditioner or noisy computer. Ive strugle a lot with this issue, of a hiss type sound that doesnt go away with any set up.

@scottsmith4145 Год назад

@@tearsandflwersSelf noise is typically just the hiss you hear when the preamp gain is high,,, the white noise sound. Line noise is different though and thats due to interference from RF or ground loops etc. Your total noise floor is made up of all of these components including room noise and the mic self noise. Room noise can often be substantial. You can measure self noise just like focusrite did with a dummy load of 150ohms on the mic. Or if you have an sound isolation box to put the mic in. The self noise of the sm7b and scarlett mic pre at max gain combined probably wouldnt even go above -100db so if the noise floor in your studio is reading -70db for example,,, you have 30db+ of other noise most of which is room noise.

@helmanfrow 9 месяцев назад

Most preamps exhibit their best SNR with their gains wide open. Julian Krause has an excellent video on this subject.

@ShockeyTV 5 месяцев назад

well done. wish more videos were perfect like this

@user-mx5we1li2l 9 месяцев назад

Thank you! very good explaination.

@GabrielTobing 2 года назад

I just put a limiter, and a noise reduction filter on my Streamlabs. Then I was able to put it to the max and stuff and not need a cloudlifter. Gain not to high on the mixer and all, and I was pretty close, allowing nice sound.

@AudioUniversity 2 года назад

Thanks for sharing, Gabriel!

@corazoninmaculado77 5 месяцев назад

excellent video... tank you.

@deadSalesman_GD 2 года назад

I’m a big fan of the sE Electronics Dynamite

@severtone263 Год назад

Great video! You easily earned my sub.

@plague88 Год назад

Excellent video 🎉

@AudioUniversity Год назад

Thanks, Matt!

@elvisn Год назад

Thanks! You just saved me 150 USD. You and the fact I have a nice pre-amp - in this case a Yamaha console MG12XU with -128 EIN and +64 dB max gain :)

@philbrook5655 2 года назад

Fantastic video.

@AudioUniversity 2 года назад

Glad you enjoyed it, Phil. Thanks for watching!

@scottsoriero9827 Год назад

Great video! I thank you. I just received my new Shure SM7B mic and my Scarlett 212 3rd gen yesterday. The Cloudlifter hasn't come in yet. Without the clouslifter my recordings sound very good and I have not changed the mic setting on the back either. I had an ATR 2100 mic prior with the Scarlet 212 1st gen and it was fine, but always picked up a hum and background noise. I had to use the audio filters on OBS studio to remove those sounds. The quality was just ok. I hooked up the SM7B and the 3rd gen 212 and was blown away at the sound clarity. No background noise at all! Thanks again for the great video!

@Caba-Rojo Год назад

Quick answer… YES.

@Abihef 2 года назад

That Apollo sounds so much better, it's crazy😂😂 Worse with cloudlifter though. But that Apollo sounds great

@stockman1515 2 года назад

Great video.

@AudioUniversity 2 года назад

Thanks!

@Urbanwino 10 месяцев назад

Great lesson for me. Only thing I'm missing here is the usage of eg. Cloudlifter with some poor gain Focusrite.

@Tnwwnt Год назад

Great video Do you know if there is the same thing for condenser mics ? Thank you

@nolanjohnson7401 10 месяцев назад

this explanation is fucking amazing and i love you

@Jadevibration Год назад

Fantastic content! Question would I need a cloudlifter with my SM7B and a motu m6 audio interface?

@waltherwaa1750 Год назад

Does universal audio volt 1 interface require cloudlifter with Shure sm7b?

@michaelmoneytv 2 месяца назад

I plugged a cloud lifter into my first gen 2i2 and after about an hour it caught fire and blew up in my studio lol

@majorstokem8839 11 месяцев назад

ur the fkn man!

@bushyeyebrow 9 месяцев назад

Hi. I am wondering if a McBoost can be used when recording through a preamplifier inserted into a 500 series lunchbox interface. Namely the 500R8? And if so, do you need to turn 48v on, in the 500 preamp to activate the McBoost gain functionality? Thanks.

@migueldias2568 10 месяцев назад

I have the Shure sm7b straight to my apollo x8p, what ever i listen a lot of noise in the parts that i am not singing, do you know how to fix it?

@ronnielicciardi7481 Год назад

I have a Shure sm7b and a scarlett 8i6 gen 3 and just use both for gaming audio and discord, do you recommended an cloud lifter?

@SagunManandhar 4 месяца назад

Hi, Thanks for the video. BTW, can i use cloudlifter if I want to put the mic 2 feet away instead of 6inch away ?

@TheSeangerber 2 года назад

yes you need

@samnicholson5051 2 года назад

Good video but I don't really think the whole lack of gain aspect is even that much of an issue. There may be exceptions but most preamps (that I've seen measured) reach their lowest, or very close to their lowest EIN at about 40 dB gain and stay that way (maybe with a very slight improvement) at higher gain levels than that so there's not really much of a difference in noise whether you get that further gain on your preamp or through digital or analog trim. Although max gain can often have issues with frequency response, distortion etc.

@AudioUniversity 2 года назад

Thanks for commenting, Sam!

@dr.bijuvarghese6805 Год назад

Thanks Sir.

@Abihef 2 года назад

Isnt that 128dB your 24bit limit anyway so then 120 dB leaves 8 dB noise room anyway in the average 24bit adc recording. Quite a significant range difference in low end audio interface preamps when it comes to noise. I started typing but was also making porridge and coffee and now the video has stopped and I forgot where I was going but perhaps some will still catch my drift. Interesting specific numbers though given the ranges bitdepths provide.

@dr.bijuvarghese6805 Год назад

Thanks for the info. Should I use a cloud lifter for use along with SE V7 dynamic mic connected into arturia minifuse2 to record class podcast. Please suggest an ideal preamp for this setup 🙏.

@AudioUniversity Год назад

If you struggle to get an adequate signal level, you can use a Cloudlifter. If you get a good signal level without a Cloudlifter, it isn’t needed.

@sugarwick 4 месяца назад

Is it the same as using Yamaha mixer MG10XU? I am 76 and find the details fascinating and to the point.

@alibi_streamhighlights736 7 месяцев назад

so i do arround 60 db on the apollo without the CL and arround 35 with?

@philipperigault5911 2 года назад

Great video, clear as always. Just a small error: pairing the FosusRite 2i2 3rd gen with the Cloudlifter provides 81 dB (not 71 dB) total Gain. Since you mention the Zoom H5, could you do a video about the recording quality difference when using it as a USB audio interface vs a recorder? There are conflicting information about this (including Zoom acknowledging the poor quality of USB interface recording and saying it is not present on the H6) and it would be great to have the issue cleared up with measurements (also, Julian Krause speaks about gain clipping on the H5, which you could confirm or not).

@AudioUniversity 2 года назад

Thanks, Philippe! Sometimes math is not my strong suit! lol These are some good suggestions!

@alibi_streamhighlights736 7 месяцев назад

can you give me a good chain for the apollo twin with cloud lifter ? im struggling to get the mic to good volume without making it sound bad , im sitting on arround 20 - 25 db on the apollo but the mic is still super quiet with the cloudlifter? would be awsome if you could share your apollo chain file

@sinnintara 2 года назад

Hi! Just wondering, I have an Universal Audio Twin infinity 710. can I used it as an inline amp for my Shure SM7B and connect to The Apollo Twin MKll to computer? Will it be too hot for the mic? And play with the adjustment on both amps. Thank you 🙏

@AudioUniversity 2 года назад

That’s possible. Just be sure not to clip anywhere along the signal path (unless you do it intentionally, or course).

@sinnintara 2 года назад

@@AudioUniversity 👌🙏🙏🙏👍 will give it a shot!

@martbittner 5 месяцев назад

Using the cloudlifter + SM7B, using the scarlett 2i2 4th gen, do I use Phatom power or no? I understand that without the cloudlifter, I should NOT be using phantom power..

@AudioUniversity 5 месяцев назад

SM7B with Cloudlifter - Use Phantom Power SM7B alone - Don’t Use Phantom Power

@scottyofeden 3 месяца назад

Can the little brother "Shure MV7X XLR Podcast Microphone" use one of these inline preamps?

@JmbeatsOfficial 7 месяцев назад

When I tried to plug in my sm7b all I got was ear piercing static, I moved my phone away in case it was to do with the frequency but it was no help. I don't have a cloud lifter, if I get one will that fix my problem?

@AudioUniversity 7 месяцев назад

I don’t think lack of gain is the issue here. I’d recommend testing your preamp with a different mic or testing your preamp with a different mic. Might also be a bad cable. If you’re exaggerating and there was some signal, but a lot of noise: try moving the mic closer and speaking louder into the mic.

@johnsonguite 2 года назад

What is the mic stand that u use?

@AudioUniversity 2 года назад

This is the stand that I use and recommend: audiouniversityonline.com/best-microphone-stand/

@yzimsx Год назад

How about an SM57 with an A81WS windscreen. :)

@BobiAdamMaryn Год назад

So if I have the Rode NT 1-A i dont cant use a cloud lifter?

@Sonicboom2469 7 месяцев назад

Actually wondering same thing

@spinningaround1083 2 года назад

Mic này lắp được trên điện thoại không anh

@luk7n 2 года назад

Could you please explain to me what effects you are using in post processing to make the SM7B sound this good? Don´t tell me it´s raw. Sounds to good

@AudioUniversity 2 года назад

Compression

@luk7n 2 года назад

@@AudioUniversity Only that? That´s insane, thanks

@PatrickQT 9 месяцев назад

The current 2i2 has "69dB gain range". Im I correct in the assumption that this should be enough for a sm7b without a inline preamp (for podcasting)?

@AudioUniversity 9 месяцев назад

It still depends on the distance from the mic to the source and how loud the source is. But 69 dB is probably enough for most people!

@PatrickQT 9 месяцев назад

Got it. Thanks a lot!@@AudioUniversity

@PufferBoyzOffcial 11 месяцев назад

@AudioUniversity Do i really need the Cloudlifter CL-1 on my Shure SM7B ? Actually i record vocals only for my song. then i set it up on my audacity. and i send it to my mixed and engineer. I hope it will be noticed thank you !

@AudioUniversity 11 месяцев назад

You only need a cloud lifter if you struggle to get adequate input levels in your DAW while recording. Aim for around -12 or -18 dB.

@PufferBoyzOffcial 11 месяцев назад

@@AudioUniversity Thank you so much very helpful. but I prefer to get a cloudlifter just incase.

@momtazularefin Год назад

There are many videos on inline preamp over the internet. But none of them have any information on the tonal balance. Does the presence or absence of an inline preamp changes tonal balance of the Shure SM7B in any way? Does anyone have any experience on this? Does an inline preamp change the sound signature in that is makes bass or midrange clearer etc. From a comparison video it seemed that lower midrange sounds stronger with addition of a cloudlifter - but it is just an assumption.

@scottsmith4145 Год назад

My guess is that it's probably very minimal but why not test it by running pink noise through the mic before and then after and then normalize the audio and run a spectrum analyzer on both to see any difference.

@just4fun_podcast 6 месяцев назад

Hello again, always coming here for advice. Do you have a webshop or ”codes/links” to Amazon equipments? Off course I have a question also: what causes that noise when a mic Is to loud? don’t know the name for It. The problem Is, my podcast friend does not have a loud gain on It but It still has that aargh!😂 don’t know the name for It kinda ”blowy” brushy background ”unclean” sound when NOT talking. Between the talkings you hear It and It goes away when talking Its a dynamic mic with xlr interface. My other podcast friend has the same problem with the usb c connection (atr2100x) they both use these 2 microphones In different ways. And we use podcast software to balance things out… How do I avoid/remove that noise between talkings without losing volume without having to fix It In editing later? I also think you should do more ”aggressive” marketing for example a cloudlifter with a deadline sale date (we here probably want to buy things from YOU In the future (I’m a marketer btw so I thought adding some value back) haha Or Is It something with the ireg pre 2:s ein? Self noise between talking Is with usb c connection also 😅 Thanks 🙏

@top_tech.500k Год назад

6:22 test

@JohnJohnson-jw5uz 5 месяцев назад

"NOISE FLOOR" is the classical term for how noisy your mics and instruments are in the mix. More noise=more gates.

@synapsexcracked501 2 года назад

7:09 u said focusrite was about 3'o clock something brother what is this 3'o clock mean ?

@AudioUniversity 2 года назад

That means the knob points to the right (like the 3 on an analog clock).

@synapsexcracked501 2 года назад

@@AudioUniversity ooooh !! Thnkeww 💛

@synapsexcracked501 2 года назад

N bro can u tell me is Audient id 4 is a good choice under 200 dollars , coz I'm planning to buy it today or tomorrow

@AudioUniversity 2 года назад

I haven’t tried it personally, but yes. I’ve heard excellent things about the Audient iD interfaces!

@synapsexcracked501 2 года назад

@@AudioUniversity Thnkew Thnkew very much 💛

@Bradleybrookwood 4 месяца назад

I feel stupid for getting the SM 7B when I should've waited to get the DB version.

@laserpuffle369 Год назад

the answer is no I dont need one, but im still gonna get it

@AudioUniversity Год назад

I’ve got 3! You’d be surprised how often they are useful!

@scottsmith4145 Год назад

Ah yes,,, the famous debate of mic boosters and a sm7b. In a nut shell,, there is no advantage UNLESS you simply dont have enough gain in your preamp or you have a long mic run. Having enough preamp gain with scarlett is the big discussion here and my answer is that if your preamp has gain of 60db or less and you are doing spoken word narration then yes, you could use more gain and it will improve your sig to noise ratio. On the other hand if you are tracking singing vocals then no you prob dont because 50-60db of gain is perfect for driving this mic because you want about 10db of headroom above peaks as protection. (Edit,, i will add that the 45db gain models like the one he demonstrated in video def could use a booster. Thats just really too low with the sm7b. ) I have a scarlett 6i6 1st gen interface w 60db gain and the sm7b and when I turn gain to max its PERFECT for most all vocal recordings giving me 10db or more of headroom as buffer. Its like this preamp and mic combo were born for recording vocals together without clipping. Remember shure says 3 inches away is typical distance for using the mic. If you're 12 inches away you are wrong. If you have a really loud vocalist at proper distance or closer you may actually still clip! Lastly, if you have a long mic run 50 ft or more where line interference could be an issue,, then having 20db of clean mic gain from a booster means you can drive your mic pre lower and lower that line noise level and improve sig 2 noise. Most users unless they fall into the categories mentioned dont need one with the scarlett. Hope that helps.

@viktorkrasovskyi8023 Год назад

It's funny that your video contains static noise :D

@trevorvonritter Год назад

Why do these audio channels all have people with terrible audio?

@titans2720 Год назад

why are these videos so long? if you have a quiet voice then you need a cloudlifter, otherwise you can just crank the preamp on your interface plain and simple. in my band two people can do heavy vocals and sometimes when recording they double up vocals with each other, for the main vocalist he's very loud and will heavily distort through a cloudlifter even with the preamp gain dialed back, so we can't use it for his vocals but the other guy is really quiet in how he projects and he does need the cloudlifter. if you plan on singing or talking into the mic then you do need a cloudlifter to avoid preamp distortion and noise but if youre screaming and can project very loud then a cloudlifter will actually ruin your takes, i didn't even know it was distorting the audio because it wasn't clipping in my daw, but when listening back to the take isolated you could very clearly hear distortion, and not the good kind.

@digs- 8 месяцев назад

Bruh it’s a 10 minute video

@danarnold4210 7 месяцев назад

Why is this comment so long. I did not even read it after the first two lines 😂

@titans2720 7 месяцев назад

@@danarnold4210 takes not even 30 seconds to read my comment but hey that’s cool reading comprehension is difficult for 3rd grade dropouts so I don’t blame you.

@danarnold4210 7 месяцев назад

@@titans2720 Yea, you're right. It must feel nice to put a rude comment on people's videos huh 🤣

@titans2720 7 месяцев назад

@@danarnold4210 mean comment > wasting peoples time Piss off