You can't take recoil with a larger or smaller bolt. You can make it slightly slower to distribute. I'm talking thousands of a second. My boy Newton found this out long ago.
@@extremeencounter7458 due to this gun being a bullpup and the barrel sitting high the, rotational movement is behind and way above your hand so it rotates your wrist more is my guess, think of it as the opposite to the Chiappa Rhino pretty sure it has more felt recoil because it lighter than normal but more of it goes down your arm
Me just throw a mask on and cover up open spots so hot metal doesn't enter your shirt and burn you. Also nobody going to talk about how it basically screws its self on and off with every shot. Yes I understand it's like a 1/8 turn but it turns like wtf 😂.
Also see the Blish lock, an overcomplicated design used on a submachine gun because the inventor thought small guns work the same as big guns. Well to an extent, but the effect is not worth the massive increase in cost and weight in such a small scale.
@@deadplaya fair thought, because this was very much the desert eagle of it's day. The mars was a ridiculously huge pistol, and was the most powerful handgun in the world for a subs time period. While technically a pistol cartridge, .45 Mars Long Case (and all of it's other chamberings) were actually bottlenecked cartridges, with massive powder loads.
@@deadplaya given the round it was designed for wasn't a lot different from the 44 Magnum (220 grains at 1200fps), no significant weight at the front (but the gun was about 3 pounds) and the recoil happening at the fulcrum of your wrist, anything bigger would probably just break your wrist. I'm sure with the right technique it would be doable, but why try to make a bad design work when you could just make it better...
@@YouraTowel4reports from soldiers said they were hesitant about the gun because it felt like every shot was a gamble of whether the bolt would stop or not.
You're both right lol AC:S did use the mars in the 1868 section (which is 32 years earlier than the 1900 manufacturing date) but also in the WW1 portion by Frye's daughter while Battlefield 1 has it as a Scout exclusive
Mars only goes to .45 can also be chambered in 8.5 and 9 mm it’s the action of the gun that made it powerful, an eagle it more powerful just better made to compensate recoil unlike the mars
@@justincovey7434actually the mars was chambered in a proprietary .45 cartridge that was basically the first Automag ammo it’s ballistically similar to .45 win mag so yes it was a hot round
For anyone wondering: Cartridge 8.5mm Mars 9mm Mars .45 Mars Short Case .45 Mars Long Case Muzzle velocity 1,750 ft/s (530 m/s) for 8.5mm Mars 1,250 ft/s (380 m/s) for .45 Mars Long
This is laughably incoherent. It wasn't "too powerful for military use", it was simply unfit for use in a handgun where it is both inaccurate and likely to injure the user.
And just straight up inferior to the competition - besides revolvers, you had the Luger, C96, Browning's early semi-autos. No shortage of reasons not to go with this absurd thing.
People mentioning BF1. But this gun appeared before it, in Assassin's Creed Syndicate. That game's setting is in 1868--or as the video says, 32 years before the firearm was produced.
I was confused because the way that he said it made it sound like he was saying the game was released 32 years before the firearm and not that it appeared in a game set 32 years before it was produced.
@@zombiemincaftri think you just confused yourself, i read it as the game took place in 1868 aka 32 yrs before the gun actually came out, i mean its literally what it says
@@rodericklenz5030 Seriously modern 9mm can eject brass backwards to hit you in the face. Seems like sometimes these stores are super overly exaggerated when we have people these days shooting pistol .50BMG rounds like BlackRambo for fun.
@R3B3LC4PTA1N Was it??? 😂😂😂 that's the dumbest shit I've ever heard if true. That was one of the very few AC games that was so trash and such a money grab I couldn't even bother finishing.
I remember Ian from Forgotten Weapons mentioned something like, people of the era firing the mars automatic pistol for the first time would describe the gun as “detonating” rather than just simply “firing” the gun.
@@maydayredd6137 About as shit as a Desert Eagle. Loud, heavy, hard to fire multiple times, often breaking the user in some format. Did we forget to mention this was a .45? Bottleneck cartridges make this horrible to fire. Every shot you might hit yourself in the face with ejecting shell.
@@artyd42 yeah a poor design is why its so bad, not its power. the more weight on the slide the less force you have on your hand. My Hi-point has less recoil than my 1911, so this thing would try to break out of your fingers every shot.
@@Tien-Chiobrez is better for sniping your pick of revolver is the best all round personally I use the gasser for high damage MLE is the best pistol for pistol things Mars is mid at everything really
@@Racerblx1291 makes sense I just hate the slow rate of fire and I find the revolvers 1 tap usually But personally I like the MLE because i can get a lot of shots quick and it usually only takes 1 or 2 if I hit them with my rifle It also is probably important that I am a iron sights sniper bc I hate scope glint so I’m generally closer to my enemy Unless I’m counter sniping
@@Mattjohnson793 the point is that the .45 Mars (roughly the same as a 240gr .44 mag) @8 or so ft-lbs of force of effective recoil from this firearm will not injure you unless you try to use your teeth to hold it. That doesn't change how uncomfortable it is to shoot or how difficult it is to control. But if you can play catch with your friends you can fire this without injury. Large caliber rifle rounds like the .470 nitro @ 181 ft-lbs or even the .500 S&W hot loads @ 45 ft-lbs are an order of magnitude more recoil and without the mitigation of additional points of contact and the mass of a rifle, a pistol could very well cause injury even properly used.
i wouldn't say a chad, more of a fool. webley and military both told him same problems. he didn't listen tried to manufacture his own and didn't make a whole lot before he had to bankrupt. other part besides it being unwieldy the mechanisms were complex. so yea it wouldn't be good for military market.
And it also used a ridiculously over-complicated long recoil tilting bolt action that has the entire top part of the gun go back when it shoots to counteract the force of the bullet and lessen recoil. Cool idea, but it was too powerful for the design and smaller parts like extractors and pieces of the action would break often and require constant cleaning. This gun would have NEVER survived Frontline combat. Thr closest it ever saw was maybe a few private orders from officers.
@@DarkRaen666I believe they meant that the recoil, fire ball and report was so loud and big that it felt more like the gun spontaneously dissassembled itself in the shooter’s hand for each shot Tldr: the gun was so powerful that people felt that it blew up for each shot
The brass and hot gas is thrown directly back into the user's face. That's why everyone hated it. You can't tame any recoil if hot brass pelts you in the face hard enough to leave a mark every time you fire.
Not with the target/dueling stance they would have shot with at the time, forget anything you've seen in some stupid wild west Hollywood type crap, if they had the chance, they shot with one hand, and extended as far from their face as they could, holding the barrel up, and then dropping it onto target before shooting, much like an Olympian today.
@@UnbannedAgaincorrect : Gramps was world war II army air core drill Sgt. That's how I learned to shoot since 6 years old. Of course I got a 40 inch arm reach
@@YourFallenGhost the 1911 would've also been shot with the bladed, sideways-facing "ye olde" firing stance with one hand. Firing it like that helps you appreciate how thin, sleek and functional the design is - it did the job in WW1, with Great-War style training and common practices, and it still does a fair amount of that job today with modern training and modern common practices.
Actually the main reason why nobody wanted to fire it more than once was because they didn't want to have their faces injured from the cartidges that were ejected backwards.
Well, 'perfecting it' is an overstatement, Hugh Fairfax was the British equivalent of Hugo Borchardt, both thought their guns were as good as could be and didn't improve them that much. Too bad there wasn't a British Georg Luger to fix up the Mars.
My sister was friends with and went to school the daughter of the Ferrara candy company owner. At first I thought it was Mars, but then I remembered they used to always give us LemonHeads candy, and i guess it's Ferrara that makes LemonHeads. They got a big factory off 290 in Chicago. I think they went to school in Oak Park, IL. This is more of a ramble than anything cuz my memory sucks
It's named after the God of War, who has had a planet named after him. Weird how things go around and come around - but yes, Fairfax (the designer of the gun) named this pistol after the God of War. Weirdly enough, at this exact same time in history, it'd be 2-3 years before ANOTHER semi-auto pistol called the Mars pistol was made! This time, by Bergmann. That one is the "Bergmann-Mars" pistol. But now there is confusion over the names! At the time, the gun in this video was called the "Webley-Mars" pistol, to differentiate and not confuse the two, and because Webley's factories made the Webley-Mars.
So this guy literally just said this gun made a cameo in a game 32 years before the gun was even produced… Considering the Mars automatic pistol was made in 1900, that means the video game must have been around in 1868, I’m not sure which video game he could possibly be talking about…
The reason why people didn't wanna shoot it again was cause the ejector slot would fire the spent casing straight up... Since the recoil was so strong, that meant that the hot brass was headed toward your face.
The browning auto 5 does the same thing, the bolt and barrel both go back, the bolt locks, the barrel goes forward, the empty is ejected, the live round come in, the bolt unlocks and closes. Best shotgun ever produced, any anyone that would argue that doesnt know how to clean or oil a gun.
I have a Remington Model 11, and let me say first hand that thing GOES. But as far as the best ever...no way. It was way ahead of its time and was reliable as a combat weapon to about World War II, but was deemed obsolete by newer semis.
Nah. Not even the best shotgun ever designed by John Browning. Of his 4 major designs of his (the 1887, 1897, Auto 5, and M37), I'd straight up argue it's held up the least.
Yeah, you can look at the cartridge, it's not the power, it's because the damn barrel is set far above the base between your thumb and middle finger, the damn thing would twist your wrist and send brass in your face
Bulky, Heavy, high recoil with limited capacity, yet having one of the strongest semi auto pistol cartridges of its time It was basically a desert eagle before that hand cannon was a concept.
I’m pretty sure the video game was Assassin’s Creed Syndicate. That one took place in 1860’s london meaning that it lines up with the 32 figure given in the vid.
@@TexanHuman Yep. The mars automatic pistol was invented in 1900 and it's featured in Battlefield 1. Your game takes place in 1868 and it didn't even exist back then. Smart ass.
The gun had a decent sized round, a giant block of metal that moves rapidly, ejects ammo backwards, and is very open and prone to getting extremely dirty. Like all those tin tubes gotta be fun when some mug or a lump of dirt find it’s way diwn
@@memeslife-wq2tx no it isn't, it's literally on top of it, the bullet gets pulled back and the raised and inserted into it, the only time the chamber is behind the grip is after it's fired but before it ejects the spent casing. Not a bullpup
@carlsteffens not the grip the trigger The chamber is behind the trigger while in most pistols its normally sitting ahead or on top I'm retarded and mistyped
@@carlsteffens The official definition of a bullpup is that the grip is in front of the breech of the gun instead of behind it. Even if you choose to use the more narrow minded definition, the entire chamber & firing pin are still behind the trigger, therefore making this pistol a bullpup by all means.
@@sharkbaitoohahah8343 Lmao right cause you know everyone from ww1 and talked to them about it. It has very little to do with the shells ejecting because for them to hit your face, you would have to aiming it like a rifle with your face right up against the slide. It's more so about the recoil hurt whoever is shooting it, and the horrible accuracy because of them flinching and bracing for impact.
@@killergames9256 Oh so you know everyone from ww1 personally and have talked to them? "Literally anyone who's fired it" Have you fired it? How tf would you know? Please provide a link that backs up your claims. Otherwise you're talking out of your ass. It's because of the ridiculous recoil. The shells won't even hit the face unless you aim it like a rifle with your face right up close to the slide, which wouldn't work because the slide would bite them in the face. The Desert eagle ejects very similarly, and no one complains about shells hitting their face.
just came to point out that this weapon was designed with and possesses one of only two known magazines where the bullets feed towards the rear of the weapon while the slide is recoiling. Also, incredibly modern looking ergonomics for the time in which it was released.
For anyone wondering: It was Basically as strong as tour average 10mm handgun is now but in ww1. Which is impressive. But you're still pumping better performance out of a model 27 S&w
10mm has always been more powerful that a 45. And if you wanna talk about the 45 mars long then you gotta mention the 10mm round that compete with a 44 mag
@@Mattjohnson793 that's why I said a 45 Mars is about as strong as your average 10. Not the high end stuff..... And your average 10 can almost compete with your average 44.....not the high end stuff
@@sentero1856 no it competes with a 357. Trust me. I carry a 10mm every single day for work. My life really really does depend on it. In saying this the average 10mm out competes a 357 at longer ranges
that gun deserves a better attentions.. with more development time, it could have yielded a better result as either an automatic infantry rifle or a machine gun with either belt feed or magazine feeding system.
There are videos about this gun that give some interesting history on it. One country's military suggested some improvements and the creator said it was already perfect. So they gave it to a Mr. Luger who tweaked the design a bit, producing one of the most iconic guns of the 20th century.
It also ejected its shells strait back into the face of the person shooting. It wasn’t just the recoil, it was also a hot brace case to the face and eyes, that got shooters hating it.
Acording to Wikipedia, the Mars Automatic pistol was produced between 1897-1907, if the game the video is refering to is Battlefield 1, then it's not "ahead of its time", since WW1 went from 1914 to 1918
