Yeah, I read that in an article. Apparently, after the Shining, he retired from acting. The article states, Danny Lloyd, who was 8yrs old at the time, didn't know he was doing an horror film, until after the movie was over.
It was awful. I have a little brother the boys age and his voice reminded me of him. Never has a movie made me as horrified/sad/ready to commit *insert bad thing*
@@kyleB061 The ghosts of the Overlook Hotel that Danny kept locked in those chests for all these years hadn't eaten any souls in a long time. So when Rose finds out that Dan is hiding something in those chests and asks him what special things are hidden in those, Dan says the aforementioned quote
I feel like they felt like they needed to balance out the death of Abra's dad. they really didn't but they probably wanted the drive to the hotel to feel more... idk, put together I guess.
I liked that everybody died. One of the things that made the True Knot so underwhelming in the book was that they had very little impact and were basically jokes. By basically having everyone but Abra die in the resulting conflict, it makes the end feel more like a long battle is over and the end being bittersweet, with a more satisfying conclusion for Danny to be there for Abra in her life the same way Dick was there for him. In the book, it was just like a weird happily ever after ending that didn't feel genuine.
Although I was quite shocked with the deaths of Billy and David (Abra's dad), I agree that it was a necessary change for the movie. In the novel, none of the protagonists die to the True Knot. The suspense relied solely on Crow Daddy's kidnapping of Abra (and Billy), which was a much longer sequence than it was in the film. Crow Daddy had gotten them several states away before they were eventually able to escape. The fact that Crow Daddy had both of them in his custody and for so long was what elevated the danger. This nearly successful kidnapping raised the stakes and pushed the protagonists into action with the realization that Rose (the most powerful of the True Knot) would never give up. The film decided to make a trade off; less emphasis on the kidnapping and it's importance to character motivation and instead replaced it with the deaths of two of the protagonists. This raised the stakes in a different manner, making the motivations more personal for Dan and Abra, rather than making it solely about stopping Rose and protecting Abra. However, the end result was the same; pushing the protagonists to confront Rose. This alteration of motivation is much easier to convey and simpler to understand on film rather than the original motivations in the novel. Had Flanagan gone with the original, the motivations would have had to have been explained through dialogue (as it had been in the book) rather than shown through action and could very well have bogged down the pacing of the film. And from an editing/screenplay perspective, I can understand why David and Billy were killed off; to simplify the climax of the film to involving just the three main characters (unlike the book which involved several more characters) and also to adapt to Flanagan's alternate ending. Speaking of alternate ending... The death I found hardest to agree with was that of Dan. I can appreciate what Flanagan did with the final piece of the film in delivering the novel's ending of The Shining (but with different characters). As soon as I saw Dan fire up the boiler, I knew exactly how the movie was going to end, and was not surprised at all when the hotel burned down and Dan died. Instead, I felt a bit disappointed because by killing Dan, the closure and peace that he receives at the end of the film was cut incredibly short compared to the novel. Instead of Dan getting closure after decades of trauma and PTSD, the film panders to the audience by delivering to them another level of closure on the events of the Overlook Hotel and The Shining several decades later.
I thought him going to the overlook in the ending was perfect. It shows him facing his past traumas head on and he uses them to his advantage, taking control of his life again.
Yeah! I love Found Flix but I disagree completely with the dislike to the ending. I feel like Dan's journey went full circle by going back to the hotel. It also makes me sad to see many people watching this video instead of going to the movies to support the product, Flanagan did a wonderful job and his work deserves more recognition :(
@@mcskittlez8499 Look. I'm not saying the book's was bad, or that the movie's ending is better. I'm just saying that the ending Flanagan gave us fit the movie as the amalgamation between King's and Kubrick's visions that it was. I also like to interpret it as Flanagan leaving his own mark between those two legendary creative minds, which, in my opinion, the man deserves after achieving such balance and respect for both the Doctor Sleep book and Shining movie. (I also like that he didn't chicken out like in Haunting of Hill House and went for a bitter sweet ending but that's a whole 'nother topic hah).
Daniel Rodriguez yes and that’s a very common theme in Flanagan’s work; processing our trauma by facing our past. I think it also can be seen as reconciling Kubrick’s cinematic ending with King’s original novel ending to The Shining. It may not be the perfect conclusion, but I really enjoyed what it represents!
This is one aspect of the book that supercedes the movie. You can't ignore familial ties! Dan talking to Abra about alcohol seems scarier if he is a ghost, though!
in the first movie, not one character is in control of the situations, not even the hotel itself as it needed to leech off the shinning of Danny nor the spirits trapped inside. in this movie you see stupid shit happening all the time caused deliberately by everyone, projecting themselves and stuff and explaining everything, it does make you wonder why they didn't do X before or how if they did Y once they never did it again to their own good.
It was actually the ghost possessed Dan that ran to the basement trying to stop the boiler from exploding. Dan stopped the Ghosts from inside of him and took back control enough to be comforted by the memory of his mother in his final living moments. This whole thing is evidenced by Abra telling the Ghost possesed ghost that they didn't count on Dan making the first stop to the boiler room when he got into the hotel. This to me was Dan's Plan C, if they couldn't defeat Rose and if something went wrong when he released and reawakened the spirits.
Dan has to mirror his dad in the final act because the movie pushes the idea that the abusers and the abused are quite similar in some ways. Rose talks about how abra reminds her of herself, suggesting that abusers come from those who were once abused. The similarity between the abuser and the abused is also apparent in how immortality is handled in this movie. Dan sacrifices himself but remains immortal via the collective unconscious shining. The true knot has to remain immortal by taking what's not theirs to take.
His entire personal journey was accepting his powers and finally saving the girl and destroying the hotel and dying being reunited with his mom and watching over the girl and helping her with her powers
I didn’t really mind the changed ending. It gave Danny a unique closure & let Abra become a protege of sorts. And it was a big “fuck you!” to Kubrick’s ending which gave me a snicker 😆
When I saw Jacob Tremblay was playing the baseball boy, Bradley, and I realized they were going to kill him, I knew they were going to show a really gruesome kid death because I knew that boy could do it and would probably want to do it. He’s a really talented kid. That whole scene was heartbreaking and horrifying at the same time.
@@m33ddyhv I agree. It was disturbing. Did not really expect that in the movie. But then again most stephen king adaptations don't really stray from child violence
You should read what Islam said about donkeys and roosters' eyes. Science is still looking into this kind of topic. However, what Islam said seems really sensible, which by science some details proven by it.
True, and the best cgi effect used was both subtle but very overt and unsettling: the Knot-ers eyeshine. It's such a small thing but it made those scenes that much more creepy and unnerving, because it's very inhuman.
I actually really loved the 3rd Act. There’s a good type of fan service where it fits in the plot and adds to the story instead of just being relied on with little or no plot. It literally gave me chills. Just my opinion though.
Like the father, so as the son. Dan very well may have inherited his Shining powers from his writer father who never understood them, only to fathom such abilities as being "insane". Helps explain why he was an alcoholic and why that particular trait is passed to Dan. It's also possible that the Overlook was feeding on Shiners the same way as True Knot as previous caretakers lost their sanity/lives; its destruction destroying a subconscious beacon of sorts.
great theory but in the movie at the bar, his dad explained to him why he was an alcoholic “he hated is life and kids/wife. Life was draining” stuff like that
Also, I think the Jack character cameo was good because it highlighted Jack's evil which was he was just tired of all the responsibility and dependence. Looking at the hotel position as a retreat and an opportunity to write.
One of the best yet underrated movie ever. This was unsettling, entertaining with a good storyline. The actors played it so well especially Rose the Hat.
Jack's arc was too changed in the film's for him to get a redemption. They instead set him up as more tragic and sympathetic as a man who wanted to become better, but failed. I liked the red mist too,but I'm okay with what they gave us.
I didn't see it as it getting him. It was more like he triumphed over it, not because he didn't die, but because he was at peace, while the Overlook burned screaming to the ground.
The way i look at it is he wasnt overcome by the hotel like his dad was. We see him talking to Abra in the end which means he was fine and died peacefully. And then the scene with him and his mother shows us that he dies as himself and not under the hotels control.
Still makes no sense why they had to kill him. He could’ve walked out and continued to work as Doctor Sleep as he was before, while also guiding Abra same as before.
They couldn’t stick to the original ending because the overlook was never destroyed in the film. The climax in the novel takes place in the same place as the overlook.
I actually thought the movie ending was very well done. A wonderful sight seeing that old hotel where it all started for Danny. I dislike overly harsh critics, I mean that ending was perfect. Super powered bad guy meets her end at the hands of an ever bigger bad. Perfect
I love Abra, she's such a good kid with a great child actor. And idk it's just refreshing to see a super powered good character being played by a person of color.
I don't think she was a very good choice, honestly. Her acting just wasn't good. Especially when she was acting drugged out in the car, it just looked like she was pretending to be Asian. The movie overall just had meh acting, apart from a few characters.
Vader to Abra...."Obi Wan never told you what happened to your uncle.......HE is your uncle" Obi Wan...."yes it's true.....from a certain point of view"
i honestly loved this movie and it could’ve been a great movie without watching the shining. it told lots about danny’s childhood trauma etc. it was a very interested movie and definitely kept me hooked. i quite liked the ending since i’ve never read the novels
unfortunately the movie as of now is not happening since Doctor Sleep did not do well in the box office. Which is a shame cause 1. I think the movie was great and 2. A Overlook prequal would have been badass
I loved it. Just like Dick said "Ka is a wheel" it all went full circle. He helped Danny as a little boy, and Danny helped Abra. He was there for Danny even after death, and he'll be there for Abra after death.
I hate that both Billy and Danny died although I understand why billy died. But having Danny die, he didn’t get the closure he would have with his PTSD or continue to help geriatric patients with dying peacefully.
I read on wikipedia that apparently Dan really is the girl's uncle in the book, which explains her power. It's a shame they left that detail out of the film.
I keep seeing this. He wasn't actually her uncle, he said that so that if people saw them in public, they didn't freak out. You know, a full grown man talking to a 12yo girl and all that. There was a very cute scene in the book where they were talking about it back and forth over the chalkboard (I think it was actually a dry erase board in the book) and he was trying to explain it and she wrote, "FREAK" Or something to that effect. To illustrate that she understood the implications of stranger danger. So, they weren't actually related. But they weren't far away geographically, either.
@@diy_cat9817 No, the book literally explicitly states that Danny is her uncle and the mother of Abra's mother met Jack when he was still a teacher at the school that's mentioned in the first book.
@@alexkertamus1998 yep turned out dear ole dad had an affair which resulted in Abras mother. Was a great twist and sad that movie adaptations ruined yet another book.
One small mistake. Danny didnt throw the glass. Jack/Loyd drank the drink then threw the glass himself. Which is actually kind of important because this is the one moment when he shows cracks of being Jack and not Loyd. Then Abra honks the horn and the lone glass reappears on the bar.
Spoiler: In the book, Dan didn't die, also it turned out that the little girl's mother is Dan's Sister because Jack had an affair and got a girl pregnant (don't think Jack knew) hopefully we can get a better version of the Dark Tower series
@@Thewhitequeen0 Actually technically they just went with the lie idea that was also in the book, and just cut it not being a lie. It was like that in the book too technically, it just ended up being so. But they seemed to mostly ignore the grandma and mom more in this movie....
1) The first time we see Dick Halloran, he's not a ghost...they're following the book version so Dick has survived. By the time Dan is an adult, he is a ghost. 2)I think Dan's line about going on is a kind of a response from SK to the early morning phone call from Kubrik to SK asking him if he thought there was an afterlife, to which SK said he thought there was but Kubrik flat out told him there wasnt...not disagreeing but telling SK he was just plain wrong. 3)The colors of Dan's clothes in the finale are a reversal of Jack's clothes from the Kubrik film.
@@sempronia6 I'm not saying it isn't any evidence in the other books, I used it as a reference or example, I know its nothing new but for movie-wise it's new since we are just getting into studios doing universes. I was just expressing the possibility of them doing it on the big screen
Royal Zak I mean how dare they?? It’s almost as if women exist and shit...and STRONG women?? Da fuk is wrong with them, everybody knows women should be invisible and weak
16:33 It was hinted Halloran was a survivor of one of Pennywise's "disasters," so I'd like to see that. A person with a Shine having to deal with Pennywise.
I love it! I want to know more about the True Knot, even more than we get in the book. I can already hear the Honest Trailer: Driving, Driving, more Driving and even more Driving.
My impression of all of the references and fan service was to imply that it was all coming around, a circle being completed and drawn again. A somewhat link to the first movie implying that all of its events had happened before.
I usually do not like child protagonist in movies (not in general just in movies like these) but the young actress totally killed it in the role. I hope to see what she can do later on in the future
In the beginning when Dan was throwing up in the toilet, I got some real TrainSpotting vibes. It was cool seeing him mirror his younger self in some ways of acting
"Kubricks iconic film"...it's Stephen Kings damn story so he can do what the fuck he wants to it. I love kubricks version of the shining but it's kings work originally so he can do whatever he wants.
I thought about dreamcatcher when Dick started teaching Danny how to lock away memories and things to preserve and protect them or to keep them excommunicated from himself, like the guy that had the giant library in his head that he used to hide from the alien. Duddits had the shine and he gave it to the others.
This movie made me feel all the feelings that I had when I first read one of Stephen's book which was Dreamcatcher. I swear I had all the feelings come back from Dreamcatcher and Firestarter when I saw this movie. The telepathy, telekinesis, someone suppressing their shine, someone protecting a young one. Like this is what I grew up with and it made me feel so happy.
To be fair, while she was mkst definitely a bad-ass creature Shiner. She had never encountered a completely non-human shine entity. Remember that the hotel Dan said was something more and beyond. Very possibly from whatever universe or dimension where tye "Shine" originates from. Rose's powers were very well honed to combat humans and negative shiners like herself. In all of her hundreds of years of living. She never was even aware that entities like the hotel existed. Therefore, Rose never trained to fight them. After all. You can't fight the hotel like you would a normal "Shiner" since it's not a person.
@@klaiken989 But Rose was Acient, she had a lot of experience. I bet knows a lot but she did not expect the ghost to jump her and knowing that she is a seeker then she might have no direct power to lock them all at once.
@@truthseeker7548 Agreed, she is ancient and knows all there is to know about the shine. EXCEPT, about the entity which is the hotel. Think about it. Rose and her "family" were struggling for decades to find a proper amount of shine. I am pretty sure if they knew enities like the hotel existed. They would find a way to drain them it off all their shine!!! After all, things like the hotel are like treasure troves of shine since they have killed and absorbed god knows how much shine. Thusly, all of the above still leads me to believe that Rose and her family had no idea about enities like the hotel. Otherwise there focus would probably have been shifted rather than going for meager children. The look on Rose's face when she saw the hotel beings was more akin to "what the hell are those" when she was being eaten/drained...
Considering that The Shinning (book) is a clear analogy to King´s own alcoholism and drug addiction, I see Doctor Sleep (again, book) and his new take on the same matter from a new, sober, perspective, in which the lead character actually conquers his on addiction, a reflection of the author´s own struggle and management of his sobriety. Makes perfect sense for me.
This is one of the best horror this year and it should recognize more by public. This could be a new classic and it is not just a fan service movie. Also, Mike Flanagan could be one of the best horror filmmaker of all time.
They could technically put the Novel Ending into the movie; I can formulate a scene in my mind depicting just that Im pissed to know that Obi Wan will always die when dealing with force sensitive kids;
Why did Danny have to die. He stays to die and says he has to close the door to that world. But later it shows abra with bathtub lady so he didnt close the door I'm just mixed up lol
I kind of like this version. The true knot family was about living forever, fearing and fleeing death, feasting on young children to survive, beeing addicted by it to the point of not beeing able to live without it. Thus making them coldblooded monster who do whatever is necessary to get that HIGH OF MORE LIFE. Dan overcame his fear of his ability, his addiction and what they bring with it through true friends and support. He uses that to help others to overcome the fear of death and seeing there is something after death. All the while he becomes friends with Abra and they bond over their shine. When they start to hunt her Dan first try to hide fearing pain and death but then overcomes it again as abra is kind of family to him. There is a contrast between those two "families". One feast on each other after they are dead(they also feast on pain and fear too). Dan and Abra really care about each other and others(kid who wos tortured). The true knot family is dying with such intense pain and fear of death. Dan dies at peace while Abra accepts his death. The end scene is Dan passing the torch to her and shows her like he did with those patients that there is something after death, bringing her peace of his, and her dads passing to her. Which she then does so to her mom comforting her. And then going in to the room with the bathtublady, closing the door as danny did as doctor sleep probably to comforting her, sending her to the afterlife, whatever that may be. I also loved the golden room scene: Shows you the 2 sides of people who face adiction. His father gave in to it and saw it as the only way to endure his pain, fears and sorrows to drown it. While Dan (after a lot of struggle) overcame his pain,fears and sorrows, moving on and become a better person and give back to those who helped him and many others. I know billys death was kinda unnecessary and Dans death a bummer to but I like the approach that they were going for Daring to kill of some caracters to add more loss and pain to make it more tragic. Its a kind of sad ending a horror movie would have. And yes I like to overthink movies and make theories. =)
marie-hélène martel Thank you for writing ‘per se’ properly! I’d use my Shinnnning abilities to get in people’s minds and make them take spelling tests every day!
I feel like the film greatly improved on the book's finale. I know SK book fans generally prefer the events of the novels, but most people's visual and story references for the shining are pure Kubrick. To me, that "walk down memory lane" in the finale was the most powerful part of the entire film. The hotel is a character, and it's impossible to imagine a sequel to The Shining without it.
I really enjoyed Doctor Sleep. I thought it was a great way to provide the viewers with closure. It was nice to see Dan overcome his past and move forward.
Having never read of the books I don’t have any of those attachments to the source materials as many do. I really enjoyed this film and found it a riveting sequel to The Shining. Loved how they touched on how trauma can be passed down through generations and ultimately someone has to break the cycle for it to truly end and heal.
reyes roberts Yep, it’s a Dark Tower reference. And you aren’t dumb. Stephen King has acknowledged that probably half of his total audience has read even one Dark Tower book. It’s not King’s usual style.
I fucking loved this movie. Makes me sad that people dont like it. If anything I thought the book ending was pretty lackluster. I thought they did great getting you invested in the first two acts before even started to REALLY start to integrate "the shining". Great movie and even greater sequel in a long line of movies milking success of predecessors. I feel like it tries and mostly succeeds in being it's own film and keeping me on the edge of my seat the whole time. Didnt even want to check the time because I was afraid it was close to the end. But the ending was a little abrupt however I feel like that's just financial and time budgeting restrictions.
sockswsandals00 i did really like the movie but in comparison to the book it wasn’t as good to me. However as a conclusion to the original movie it was still very good and they did a good job of adapting the book.
I absolutely adore this movie. I was sad to see Dan die, since he didn't in the book, but I think Mike Flanagan did an amazing job of combining both the book and movie version of the Shining with Doctor Sleep. I kind of appreciated that they did Jack's death since it was replaced in the movie with the stupid (IMO) shot of him frozen to death. I think he had to include the Overlook or fans of only the Shining movie would have been up in arms
