There’s a lotta valid criticism here and I respect it but you can’t say dr strange arc was the same. His arc in the first is it’s not all about you, in turn he learns to be a hero. In this movie it’s not being in control and having to be okay with reality, which is reflected in Wanda by her having to save her kids. In Wanda vision we watch the post breakdown of Wanda and what that looks like, and by the end she deals with visions death. In that show visions was terrified of her actions so it makes sense that a corrupted Wanda would try to find a way to have her kids but not vision. This also is just her retreading her grief but this time with the loss of her kids, not vision. The whole movies is about situations we’re not in control of down to americas powers. She and that are the main drive and by the end strange has to give up control to her so that everyone besides him can be safe, since he’s allready allowed himself to be corrupted. It’s not the greatest story telling but it’s very character driven and leaps off of the first dr strange movie more so than a lotta recent marvel sequels.
But in Infinity War Dr Strange getting to relinquish the Time stone to Thanos is him having to accept that he can't always be in control especially when he knew that he was gonna die in that movie. He had to literally trust every other hero that remained to do their parts to a fine T or else it would all fall apart. Thats him giving away control, It just wasn't on the nose in the Infinity war movie because of all the things that were happening in that movie.
@@legokgoxy3221 how is viewing the future trusting. When someone has a magic time stone I wouldn’t exactly call that faith in others more the fact he literally watched it play out
@@cl4-tpgaming He had faith because he wasn't sure that it was gonna happen the way he wanted, because even when he came back he still didn't want to ginx it by not just telling Tony and raising one finger to Tony when he asked if this was the one. Meaning even the slightest change in behavior or actions could seriously alter the corse of the entire fight. And mind you there was 5 years in between AIW and Endgame, 5 years were anything could have happened to negate all his plans and he wouldn't been there to stear it right or fix it so he had to relinquish alot of control and have faith that nothing happens to shift the timeline to one were everything goes wrong. The Quantum Van could have been taken to a scrap yard to be crushed instead of being taken toa storage facility. Iron Man could have died in space if Captain Marvel got there 5 minutes later. A myriad of things could have happened to mess it up and Im sure Dr Strange had to take all of that into consideration too before he made that decision. If he didn't want to relinquish control he could have been like Spiderman and said i can do this myself I know magic surely there is another way i didn't see because looking at probability, obviously he didn't go through every single possible event, but he went through enough to make a choice to either or relinquish power.🤷♂️🤷♂️
That really doesn’t change the point tho, will the movies release there or will future movies with Wong release there? If won’t never shows up in a Chinese film then your argument is right, but if he shows up ever there then there still is a possibility that’s the reason
I love ya Sal but that comment was really not ok, I'm sorry i know it may sound like I'm overly sensitive, but it didn't come off as a joke just a really bad comment your better then this Sal I'm disappointed.
I take Wanda not changing back to being a “good guy” after the darkhold being destroyed because she held on it since the end of WandaVision. Doctor Strange only had it for a lil while and he already had the eye thing that the darkhold Doctor strange had. They even said the longer the darkhold possess the more it corrupts the person it never said once the book is destroyed the person would no longer be corrupted
Damn you guys are really jaded about your movie going experience. I actually LOVE when the theater interacts with the movie, it's the only time you're experiencing an event for the first time with others! You can watch it silently at home when it's on streaming.
@@TreasureFinderExvo That's in like a couple of months I got spoiled the the day it dropped multiple times when opening up the internet for school, when you wanna watch an mcu movie you gotta do it quickly or risk getting spoiled by article titles and youtube thumbnails.
I get the criticism of Wanda already overcame losing her children in WandaVision but my main argument is that things are easier said than done. People can say they are over the death of a loved one or a lifelong addiction in one moment yet later still fall back into those memories or habits all the same, for me it made her character more real because she basically kept the lie of “oh I’m fine” when really she wasn’t.
I know what you mean i mean if you ask anyone in the world if they would want to be reunited with a love one from even 5 years of losing them, they will say yes, you can overcome grife and lost but not the love you have for someone especially a child. And for wanda it was very recent too maybe even a few months to a year and the wounds are still fresh.
I enjoyed this movie a lot. the darkhold corrupting wanda made sense cause it evil and whatever so it could undo all of growth in wanda vision. strange arch was he learned to love so he can date the girl at the end xp. wish they didn't kill captain carter
This movie was rad as hell. The only problems with it was there shouldve been some sort of a bridge between Wandavision and Dr.strange where she really breaks bad and Professer X shouldve gotten a proper fight against Wanda in the astral plane instead of just a neck snap
I think it's funny how 2 of them complain that nobody cares for DS love interest but also complain about how they don't get much about America's love interest. Do either of them matter tho!?😂
I was really pissed bc Wednesday night RU-vid was recommended me videos of the Illuminati killing doctor strange. The movie didn’t even come out and I already got it spoiled for me. RU-vid needs to fix this bc the same thing happened to me for No Way Home
If you just say not interested for content, you won’t get things recommended to you so that’s on you for watching Doctor Strange and Spider-Man related videos honestly. I didn’t get anything like that recommended to me since I know how the RU-vid algorithm works.
@@Red-zh7vq No rational person should read Cosmic Book News which is a conservative aggregator site that wants to be critical of Disney and always looks for negativity as a gotcha. You know, the site that called Toy Story 4 The Last Jedi of the Star Wars franchise which was unbelievably stupid and actually reported on the fake cuts story for The Rise of Skywalker with a George Lucas version testing the best. Just utter insanity. 80% of the movie wasn’t reshot. The entire plot leaked in October and then again in November. Now the reshoots were extensive at 6 days a week. However, fun fact, the plot leaks prior to the reshoots all matched up other than replacing a certain Illuminati member which didn’t sound real anyways with Bruce Campbell playing one of them where he was Thor’s brother. Read that Hollywood Reporter article again by the way. There are differing opinions from people involved which of course Cosmic Book News wouldn’t mention. I’ll even link it for you with the quotes and 2 weeks of it was principal photography due to an actor’s availability. “We’ve had bigger reshoots on other MCU movies,” another insider says. However, other sources raised their eyebrows at the six-week time frame. “They’re here until the end of the year. That’s like a whole other movie,” says one. “One insider says about two weeks are dedicated to principal photography that wasn’t completed during the initial, U.K.-based shoot due to what is described as actor availability issues. The insider also dismissed concerns that the reshoots were related to retooling the story.” www.hollywoodreporter.com/movies/movie-news/doctor-strange-multiverse-madness-reshoots-1235045328/amp/
You guys had great points but you guys are basically asking for a 4 Hour movie if you want every single character development. Also does Sal even Like CB movies?
Also maybe Captain Carter isn't the one from What If, what if she's an alternate version of that character? Unless they confirmed she's straight from What If.
Marvel has well and truly embraced the realm of psychological turmoil and mind-bending narratives, first by conjuring up the infinite possibilities of the multiverse in “Spiderman: No Way Home (2021)” and then following that up with the nerve-rackingly psychedelic “Moon Knight” series. The Master of the Mystic Arts faces the repercussion of his multiverse- antics in this eerily engaging visual extravaganza, with a decadent amount of surprise guest appearances and a poignant storyline that will closely resonate with fans of the MCU. Veteran auteur Sam Raimi returns to the director’s chair in “Doctor Strange in the Multiverse of Madness” after having spearheaded the rise of the genre with his groundbreaking “Spider-Man” trilogy (2002-07) starring Tobey Maguire. The aesthetically arresting style of the director combined with two ace performers in Oscar-nominee Benedict Cumberbatch and Elizabeth Olsen deliver a riveting saga of coping with loss and the universe-altering ends one will go to to repair a broken heart. We join Doctor Strange after the events of No Way Home, having encountered a mysterious traveller “America Chavez” (an excellent Xochitl Gomez) who reached our version of Earth after being chased across multiverses by a mysterious unknown entity. Strange, alongside the Sorcerer Supreme, Wong (Benedict Wong) embark on a journey across the known and unknown universe and across the legends of sorcery and witchcraft to get to the truth, recruiting a morose “Scarlett Witch” (Olsen), still reeling after her tumultuous sojourn in the Disney+ series, “Wanda Vision”. Cumberbatch is a revelation as Dr. Strange, portraying the angst and confusion of a man who returned after getting 5 years of his life erased away by Thanos’ snap, with elan. He finds that the world has moved on in his absence, especially his lover, Christine (Rachel McAdams) and we get to see the human side of the world’s most powerful sorcerer and he comes to grips with his predicaments. As Dr. Strange embarks across a perilous adventure across multiverses, we get to see the immense range of Cumberbatch in full flow, with the nuances and intricacies he brings to each version of the master sorcerer in the different worlds we visit, a joy to behold. Elizabeth Olsen continues the fine form she displayed in “Wanda Vision”, delivering a perfectly balanced performance that is equal parts poignant and powerful. Oscar-nominee Chiewetel Ejiofor returns as Dr. Strange’s bête noire, “Mordo”, in a short but impactful cameo. Without giving much away, let me just say that the dizzying array of other surprise cameos not only provide several whistle-worthy moments in the theatre but also gel in well with the narrative structure. Doctor Strange’s second stand-alone movie is a fitting addition to Marvel’s darker, murkier Phase 4 where we get to explore the inner psyche of our heroes at a deeper level and is more reliant on its performance than being spectacle-driven. That being said, the CGI and visual effects are nothing short of mesmerizing as we journey along with our heroes across multiverses, with the storyline opening up an infinite array of potential spin-offs and future tie-ins featuring our favourite heroes from franchises long past as well as promising new ones down the line. A must-watch in theatres. Highly recommended! And do watch out for one mid-credits scene as well as an end-credits one.
Complains that America doesn't address her love life but also has a problem with Strange addressing his lovelife? I enjoyed the movie certainly liked it more than the first Dr. Strange.
As one of the two black bolt fans. I enjoyed the fact he was on the big screen at all. Kinda traumatized at the horror on his face as his head deflated.
Good review. I loved the film, but respect your opinions. Few thoughts.... I think this is a glorified audition for Krasinski as Reed. Nothing signed, but there testing the waters. 38:06 Introducing a new key character so late into the movie just wouldn't work from a narrative pov. it would only befit us a fans, and tbh just wouldn't work when you look at how that character was used.
To be fair Red skull in What if definitely talked about summoning “Hydras Champion” which would most likely be Hive from Agents of SHIELD and the comics. At least it made sense to me
The whole "Wanda finds out she was destined to be the Scarlet Witch"... Um.. Didn't she ALREADY find out this at the end of WandaVision? Wanda HAS BEEN a lynch-pin of the MCU since Avengers 2... She was the mind-twister in it.. Then Cap protecting her kicked off the Civil war.. THEN there was WandaVision, NOW this one. All I said when the person stabbed the darkhold was.. "What the heck weapon was she using?".. Because the darkhold is nigh-on-indestructible. (but then again the book of the Vishanti is SUPPOSED to be near invincible too and that was taken out almost like a joke) Also when the heck did Clea become a sorcerer??? She was a NOVICE/APPRENTICE that Strange was supposed to meet at the end of 1..... But. now?... It's very confusing. Also what was going on with both his title and the eye (he was wearing it... and it DID move, just nothing happened) that he never uses. (the third eye happens a LOT in the comics, it's just used WITH the amulet). Final nitpick.... Now did Captain Marvel die from a statue falling on her? I mean she tore through SHIPS in BOTH previous movies. Now somehow a big stone statue falling on her, kills her? Seems very weird. (was she that less powerful then Carol?)
on the note of America Chavez having a pride pin but her sexuality never being mentioned or confirmed being annoying, is she or is she not Puerto Rican anymore? I mean her actress is Mexican and she can "pass" as Puerto Rican sure, but in the movie when she speaks spanish she speaks in a Mexican accent and used Mexican slang. Are we supposed to just ignore that?
The pride pin was a Puerto Rican flag colored like a pride flag so I'm assuming they added that as a nod to the accuracy but didn't care enough to give it any more attention than that.
@@AuramAlexander Ah cool thanks, it was so small i didn't notice that. Still wondering how they'll go about all the inconsistencies in the future or if they'll just ignore them lol
I'm being nitpicky about this video lol and am just commenting on things I disagree with that they say in this video. but it kind of feels like a lot of things in this movie just flew over their head (Dr.Strange arc)/ they don't really understand how people work (Wandas Trauma) or are just being a little too pessimistic with some bad takes (in my opinion) about the film. Wanda has insane amount of trauma, plus darkhold corrupted her, also at the end of Wandavision she wasn't just magically fixed and over everything, she was def a little more over visions death but now has the pain of having, raising and the losing her children. which the book probably took advantage of. People are flawed and slip up and have to relearn things sometimes. Also, whether liked or not there was defiantly some "destiny" stuff with Wanda going on as well, and by the time the darkhold was destroyed she was clearly to far gone and dead set on her mission for that to matter, she wanted her kids back and was willing to do anything to get them. ( none of them being parents I guess its easy for them to miss/not understand that). Also she doesn't ask Wong where the other darkhold is and there just happens to be one she asks him to tell her the spells because being the sorcerer supreme she assumes he knows all the spells, but agreed the fact that the book just happen to be the copy and the original was in some unknown mountain top was bad, It would have been better if she just tortured/ mind raped Wong into getting the information with everything happening on the mountain later in the film just happening at Kamar-taj, with few tweaks. Wong has been there longer and has more respect from all the other sorcerers and of course strange being gone for 5 years so of course he is in charge, we also see in the movie that in every other universe where Strange is the Sorcerer Supreme things don't go well. Yes there is a London and China branch that was in the first movie how is that a surprise? The complaint about not delving into Americas sexuality was just a really stupid and kind of childish rant to begin with, She isn't the main character she is a plot device in this film and No one went to see this movie to see a 16 year old girls sexual identity to begin with, there is no need to express it in this film because it doesn't matter within the contexts of the movie anyways because she is being hunted like an animal for her powers. Also I guess Eternals doesn't exist because Openly Gay character in that film. other people have stated Stranges arc in the comments but again seems to go over their heads/ they don't really get his arc because it really isn't the exact same arc he had in the first film, like they keep stating it is. This is long enough so im gonna stop here but they are really way to picky about this film.
It wasn’t my favorite MCU product, far from the worst. Some of the points in this review were honestly insane rambling like the pin and the audience. This movie feels like the a Rami movie. The visuals, the over involved extras, some of the gruesome scenes compared to most MCU projects, and literally using a book of the dead. Phase 4 has been pretty middling overall. But I’ll give it for being unique and they are trying new things to see what sticks. I hope phase 5 is more thought out. We’ll probably look back on this phase of the MCU as a necessary grimy step before we get to the future of the Marvel Cinematic Universe.
When Wanda broke into the Baxter building, it felt like Reed and Xavier died too fast; black bolt's death made sense and there wasn't anything they could do without magic. However, Reed can control his body to the cell it'd been cool if she grabs him and he just barely escapes by becoming liquid-like, so her attack is harder to finish or not as effective on him. His death also hurt the movie because she just could've done that to Captain Carter anytime, she's just Captain America with a jetpack she still has to get close to Wanda like Reed in order to attack. For Xavier, he should've been a bigger challenge to Wanda since he is the strongest telepath and telepathy is just a secondary power for Wanda. At the very least, it should be a stalemate being its her first mental battle and she wins because she uses magic to split her conscious (like at the end of Wandavision) and maybe she needs to use a lot of her magic within the mind plane to keep up with Xavier so she just snaps his neck with her hands while her other conscious is stuck fighting Xavier. Maybe this has a temporary strain on her magic, her other conscious is a bit beat up so her powers are off, or its taking some time for all of her conscious to escape xaviers mind because of the amt of magic used. This would explain why she didn't use the move that killed Reed on them when she was chasing them.
I thought it was pretty obvious that none of the Illuminati were characters we know. That wasn't the Carter from What If, that wasn't the Black Bolt from Inhumans, that wasn't Professor X from the FOX movies, or the cartoon.
My biggest complaint in the movie is that it didn’t address what happened in spiderman. Dr strange fucked up really really bad in that movie and I thought this movie would atleast include a few lines talking about that fuck up but no. He opened the door to the multiverse in that movie (on accident) but for some reason now only America can open it in this movie.
in regards to the wanda stuff, I initially thought they'd be a reveal that there is scarlet witch entity in the multiverse and every dark hold connects to them or something hence why fully using it changes you and itd end fighting her
I thought it was the second worst Marvel movie because it felt like the characters weren't consistent with what we had seen up to this point (characters like Wanda felt like she went backwards in their development). I feel like the characters were moving so much and everything was on fire basically 90% of the time that they didn't have time to actually talk through plot points. Also, the Illuminati scene felt like a slap in the face more than a fan service. they basically said, "hey, here are characters and castings you have said you wanted...we will kill them all without even giving them satisfying fights."
bruv. saying " im very sorry" to the people you enslaved for presumably months to play pretend with your dead husband isn't a "growth character arc" it's a traumatic cope. saying that wanda should get better when that lady stabbed the necronomicon is like telling to someone "why are you still addicted to heroin after i flushed your stash?" and then "what are you gonna do with that shotgun?" to me the highlight of the movie was that disney allowed sam raimi to murder the superheroes from the timeline where they allow jim halpert to dress like mr fantastic. although i gotta admit i thought capitan carter would survive and i didnt like that she was killed. but i loved it when lamebolt exploded its own head and that john krazinski died screaming. xavier death was pretty cool too. i just dont understand what you guys were expecting this movie to be.
Found Captain Carter and Captain Marvel's deaths to be laughably stupid. Like the editing on the Carter one was just bad and Cap Marvel died from one statue falling on her. Loved BB's death though and Mr. Fantastic was creative. Just wish we saw Reed be more intelligent instead of just insta dying.
Oh my god yeah when you said testing incursions that's similar to celestials (which leads to galuctus that's my take). That did stand out to me but in my point of view Kang is a lesser villain thank galuctus, so the incursion plot line doesn't stick maybe by Ant - Man 2. Then the entire plot line of Kang and the multiverse is gonna collapse, because phase 4 is about the multiverse. Stuff from eternals, thor love and thunder or anything space related that's for phase 5 stuff. Like we enter a new saga when Spider-Man far from home released. New origin story movies and shows, and introduce new characters. Then establishing the rules of the multiverse 1. Yous from other universes are called variants they can either look like you or look different. Proven by spider-man and loki 2. It's possible to travel between worlds 3. If you are not in your original timeline it will cause a incursion 4. Incursions are only caused when 2 branches collide either severing the other one or combine into a new branch
She might have believed she was “over” the grief or at least coping but she has the dark hold and it making her relapse into that pain of loss in a new angle not just her grieving Vision and the life they could have had from it but actually grieving two people that do exist in the other universes but not hers she will never have those children to actually lose and grieve everyone just “they weren’t real” but yeah they are real to her and in all those other universes.
I’m really interested in your guys’ thoughts. I had some mixed feelings so maybe some good points will shed some light and make a more clear view for me
Al Ewing did some great things with America Chavez in Ultimates. She was a main protagonist and the leader of the team in Ultimates 2. She is generally considered a multiversal expert And Afro-Latina, but that's a whole other thing.
My theater was dead all you hear was babies crying and people Shushing 🤫 other Peoples kids smh 🤦🏾♂️ when Wong said to Dead Strange I don’t want to know what’s going on! I was the only one that laugh and clap because Wong is tried of trying to figure Strange out and accepting him for Strange! Or because it’s was in the trailer 🤷🏿♂️
I actually really liked this I herd a few trusted reviewers say they didn't like it so I primed myself accordingly. But I honestly thought it was fun , cool and they are back door confirmed alot a live action 97 Xavier and perfect world F4 . This phase is fleshing out cosmology between this, eternals ,moon Knight , upcoming Thor. Stuff feels different for me at least I know that won't be everyone's opinion.
I think the multiverse stuff was a miss. Also most of the cinematography was bad (they didn’t let Raimi have full influence). Also some of the dialogue was jarring. Pacing also felt odd, like it was hitting notes but taking the proper course there. Also all of the cgi seemed almost CW esq. I also feel like all of the combat was filled with “how did that kill them?” or “why didn’t they just do this?” The plot overall felt mid and why tf was there a green cow.
I totally understand Dylan's frustratuon. Marvel did the exact same thing they did with America Chavez's sexuallity with Moon Knight's Judaism. They gave him a Star of David necklace and a Kippa in one scene and called it a day. All it is is set dressing. It's fake representation and I'm sick of it
but do we really need to see a 15 year old deal with sexuality while also dealing with not being able to control her powers while being hunted down by wanda. while representation is important people didnt go see this movie to see a teenage girls sexual identity. in her own movie or disney plus show sure but in this movie where there are more important issues at hand. it just feels being overly dramatic for something that is a small detail about the movie.
What do you want them to say? She literally just arrived in the universe and Moon Knight has literally had one project, like those two characters have barely even started
I disagree entirely. How many LGBTQ people do you know (in REAL LIFE btw, not Twitter, not here, not the internet) that just shout out and proclaim “I AM LESBIAN/GAY/BISEXUAL/TRANS/QUEER!!! Hi!” What do you guys want? Her sexuality wasn’t important to this story. In Shazam, when the family goes out of a strip club and all the boys except Pedro were interested while he said it’s not “his thing”, should he have said “It’s not my thing, because I’m gay”? It’s silly.
I think Loki did hint at Incursions. He spoke about a multiversal war and I think universes colliding. So, the basic set up was there, ans I don't think anyone realized until now. I know after MoM I picked up on it, not when the show originally aired.
@@GODCONVOYPRIME I never thought about itlike that, but you're kind of right. I never once thought "where are the white people?" when watching the Fresh Prince of Bel Aire as a kid. I never needed a character to look or sound like me to be able to relate to them.
What is the point of introducing characters like black bolt or mr fantastic or professor x in the mcu this way just to kill them. It’s their first mcu appearance and their just dead. Any future appearance is now tarnished because of this.
I will be real honest, to me Scarlet Witch being evil and killing everyone insanely brutally was by far the best part of the movie, and in Wandavision she didn’t have any earned redemption, her redemption in that show was horrible so I’m happy they went full evil with her
i was in the theater that did that the clapping and stuff i was one of them but i think its just something everyone was excited for and wasn't expecting it... it just a thing people do
I don't think Wandas growth was undone. Wanda has complex and long lasting trauma. Losing her kids during her last crisis was bound to impact her mental health and she turned to poor coping mechanisms which people with complex trauma often do. Being in that mental state whilst also corrupted by the dark hold would definitely explain her arc in this film. I think it's good to show how long lasting trauma is and how recovery is complex and never guaranteed.
Like she wants them so bad in this movie because she had them in wandavision, she now knows what's like to have them, to be with them, that's why she misses her kids, that's why she'll do Everything to get them back
I actually really liked Strange’s arc in this movie. His fixing of the watch at the end of the movie was a neat touch for me. He still had a lot of baggage between Christine and Endgame but now he’s not scared anymore - he understands he did far better than most Stranges because he is different, and now he’s ready to live life for the present.
@@Someguywithalotoftism I agree with everything you said. I loved the character arc, but they could have show more universes and gone further and I wish they had just done nore with the premise. Also Wanda was an amazing villain but how she was redeemed while making sense seemed just a bit weak at least in my opinion.
@@akongsupern00b1 I feel as if his arc would've been better if they actually took the time to establish Strange's dissatisfaction with life. I like them calling to attention Strange's problems with trust and inability to move forward but the movie is just so clumsy in portraying it. It's all tell, no show. It's the same thing with the multiverse versions of Strange in other universes. We are told the evils that they've commited but are never shown them. It's a problem with the movie as a whole. It wastes time on action scenes that would've been better spent building up the characters and making their motivations feel more tangible and believable. This movie is just shallow noise as it is, burying an interesting story under piles upon piles of pointless, contrived, mindless "fun".
I think Wong being the sorcerer supreme makes more sense. One he's been there longer, two he was in charge of the library, Three it makes him exposition and not Stephen Strange explaining everything to us, And lastly the coach is not the best player of the team hence why he's the leader and he makes all the big decisions.
Idk I feel like if you look at Wanda's arc overall not just this movie it mirrors a lot of her comics counterpart. Wanda has been a villain and hero multiple times and she's been corrupted by the Darkhold and Cthon multiple times. And honestly it's in the characters bones to do these irredeemable acts. It's kind of the Scarlet Witches deal lol
Obviously we all love the comics here but pretending stuff about Wanda’s story in the comics was all good when there was stuff like how Wasp causes ‘Avengers: Disassembled’ just because she got drunk off Mai tais at the pool and asked Wanda where her kids went after they wiped her mind of them, or how Magneto just conveniently takes Wanda back to Genosha at the end of that story just so that the story can end without anyone fighting Wanda. This movie did some stuff that made it much less convoluted with regards to her transition to a bad guy, and I really appreciated that and how quickly they get to her villain reveal in the movie.
Incorrect, Wanda has been directly influenced by the Darkhold and Chthon only once in Avengers Witch of Wundagore Mountain arc in the 70s, and now again recently in the Darkhold comic but that was just written for synergy with the movie so it doesn’t count. Wanda was never truly a villain in the comics, she was mentally unstable over the losses in her life and she would never try to murder a child over it.
People say that Wanda's been a villain a ton of times, but outside of her beginnings as a reluctant member of the Brotherhood, and the handful of times Chthon took her over, I literally cannot think of anything besides Disassembled, and that was less of a conscious choice and more of a mental breakdown.
The theme of the movie was about how focusing on the things you don't have consumes you, Dr Strange longs for a life with Christine, Wanda longs for her kids. And Wanda is destroyed by it whilst Strange learns to accept his situation and be happy.
Definitely a constructive lesson for a character like Strange. Would've preferred if they did what Dylan was talking about though. Instead of Scarlet Witch being the antagonist they should have made Nightmare or Chthon be the main bad guy.
@@AGuyWithTheFace idk would’ve been kinda basic to juts have being controlled by a demon the whole time yk. I just like the multiversal version of herself and kids snap her out of it
I agree that strange accepts his situation but I dont think he is happy. I feel like strange asking Wong that question was him trying to justify to himself that its ok not to be happy. I could be totally off.
@@AGuyWithTheFace I agree honestly it feels like that's where they were going. Professor X says Wanda has lost control to scarlet witch. This could have been played as Cthon using her grief to cause her to search for a way to move through the multiverse. It also explains a better reason for killing and stealing powers from a child. Her current reason was my kids might get sick. Makes more sense if a comsic being is trying to use his millenia old ace up his sleeve to free himself from his prison. I bet the only reason they didn't do it here was because they used the same motivation for the Mandarin in Shang Chi. Wasting it there when it would have fit better here.
I'm not necessarily convinced that John Krasinski is 100% confirmed as a permanent Reed Richards. When they get around to finally doing X-Men in the MCU it's pretty much guaranteed that Patrick Stewart won't be playing him. That's the logic I'm going with that we might still end up with a different actor in the Fantastic Four MCU film. I also think that it wasn't a great way to introduce Reed into the MCU for the first time - a multiversal variant that they end up killing off pretty quickly.
I think they did it pretty well, without leaving it too open for these specific versions to be the ones we attach to in the MCU. Obviously we will get our own Reed, our own Xavier and so forth, so of course they don’t want these versions to leak out of their world, they were really only there to set up the possibility of these characters existing on 616 in the future.
@@jrapny he was clearly meant as a tease/ set up not to have a significant role. He actually spoke more than I expected him to. As for OP, I actually do think he is the main cast and not because of how they set up the multiverse with the characters looking the same through the multiverses (even though that is clearly going to have to change once the xmen comes since they need a new Charles). But why else would they have changed director's for Fantastic four unless it was the deal that if he took the part he would be allowed to direct.
I actually felt like I was getting hit over the head with Strange’s arc which to me was Me and all the versions of me are assholes who will sacrifice good people and destroy many universes and turn evil through our hubris instead of finding another way till the very end when he still risks turning evil and does put 616 on a path to destruction but at least he didn’t murder the girl for her power..
@@preheatedmusic3179 Their point in the video was that he didn't have much of an arc but my experience was different so that is the reason i said anything at all
I'd love to see the unhinged Raimi cut. It felt like you could feel the cuts from time to time. Lots going on, but loved the Strange and Wanda stuff, and the crazy -redacted- reveal
"WhAt aRe PeOPle ClaPPing AbOUt!?" Um, they're having F-U-N. Now those who have their phones on and are texting or whatever, screw them! lol I had to tell some guy to turn his off with his stupid bright light! Would give the movie a 6 out of 10.
