The family Donna was living with were italian and the guy mentioned that they were being sent to labour camps because they couldn’t be sent home to Italy because the borders had closed. Wilfred got upset because he said “that’s what they called them last time” referring to concentration camps in WW2. It was a very dark and scary plot point but it was essentially alluding to the state the UK would turn into without the Doctor stopping the tragedies that unfolded.
@@rampz975it’s been a while since SJA but I think they’re like reality-altering gods who feed on potential or something? So they engineer supposedly impossible situations to feed on the energy from creating a new timeline, usually by tricking someone into changing something about their personal past that impacts the future enormously I might be a little inaccurate there, again it’s been a while since my days of obsession lol
It’s also ironic because throughout the series she comes across as this tough ‘string’ woman always putting Donna down but she’s the first one to give up.
At the end the Doctor said the beetle was “part of the Trickster’s brigade” from Sarah Jane adventures the episode where time was changed so Sarah Jane didn’t exist. And whilst Sarah Jane was talking to the Trickster in that episode he said, “What would the world be like if he (the Doctor) didn’t exist?” Eluding to what was to come in this episode.
A lot of people pointing out the trickster reference. But there’s also a reference to the Christmas Invasion episode with Harriet Jones. When the Titanic is falling the newscaster says the pictures are being broadcast live from the Guinevere range of Satellites. Guinevere One was the name of the satellite that was launched on Christmas Eve and captured by the Sycorax in David Tennant first episode. It was the first of this satellite range.
I really like how Donna finally get's her "it's bigger on the inside" moment. Her first time seeing the TARDIS in the standard timeline was when she just appeared in it, so to her it was always smaller on the outside.
Great reaction. Such a brilliant episode in every way, tying up everything together. Also, one of the reasons on top of budget issues for the making of the Midnight episode was because this episode required a lot of Cathrine Tate's time, so they made a Doctor-only episode.
In the Pompeii episode, Lucius tells Donna there is something on her back... Also, in the Sontaran two-parter, there's a bit where the Doctor says "try going right" as the Atmos sat nav is saying "turn left" -- nice little bit of foreshadowing.
I only recently noticed those bits when I was rewatching season 4 a couple months ago. Also when I first watched this series so many years ago I hadn't seen or followed along with Torchwood or SJA, but have watched them now and I've picked up all the references and name drops since then when rewatching. It's amazing how interconnected and how brilliant RTD was for doing it like that as it really gives the shows a more fuller and in depth world environment. Can't wait to see what RTD has in store now that's he's the showrunner again.
@LtexprsGaming best thing is he doesn't plan these right from the start ...but it doesn't feel that way when watching... hence why I prefer his style of arc to moffs... who puts a lot of effort into the long arcs .. but often fell flat for me... RTDs can be watched it isolation and can be rewarding when u see the whole series... like in series 3... human nature we see the watch... and think its just for that ep... but it comes back in Utopia, or the hand which got cut off, Jack finds, and then Master uses to turn the Doctor Old... or the fact that Master becomes PM because The Doctor got rid of Harriet Jones... absolutely love it!
this whole episode is a political metaphor. when Donna "turns right", the world goes to shit, there's radiation everywhere (presumably from a nuclear war), Donna's family refer to themselves as refugees and their struggles are shown, and all countries close their borders for immigration, and "labour camps" are built, all because she turned right. After turning left, or going left wing, the (general) stability of the world is restored. RTD is very well known for using subtle metaphors for politics in his episodes, and this is probably my favourite example of that
Gotta love how you have midnight - a Donna light episode, and then Turn Left a Doctor Light episode back to back. Also not a spoiler perse... but OMG THE NEXT TWO EPISODES ARE AMAZING!
Seriously 😂, RTD works best with people. Not to say he doesn't shine with some fab villians, but there's a reason he's so renowned in the general British TV landscape
@11:15 You've no doubt sussed it out by now, but the "labour camps" were an allusion to WW2's (and let's not forget those of the Boer war) concentration camps... Wilf's recognition of it has me tearing up just as much as him. :/ Loved this episode. Hot off the heels (well: one week later anyway! :D ) of "Midnight" and these were two of the best episodes of early New Who.
Common mistake but Bad Wolf isn’t about the Daleks. When Rose looked into the heart of the TARDIS and absorbed the time vortex, that was the moment she became the Bad Wolf. Rose chose those two words to not just tell him she is returning but also warn him the darkness is coming. The reason the Tardis translation circuit showed bad wolf everywhere and the cloister bell ringing is she was warning him the barriers between worlds have fallen, bringing about the end of the universe.
again one of my fav episodes! i absolutely love how it shows just how important donna is! she saved the doctor, had she not been there he would have died and would have been unable to prevent all of these things! I love it bc even outside of this episode, we see donnas mother belittling her, doubting her, donna even developing it as a reflex to doubt herself bc of it, but this episode shows just how important she is. also, when the other family is taken away it alludes to ww2, i think partially the concentration camps but also the "internment camps" in america, where 125,000(+) people of japanese ancestry/descent/heritage were sent to "labor camps". I think tbh as dark as it is, in this plotline, this story, those who were not of british citizenship could maybe have been killed to make more room for the british during the times. but yeah very dark, but i do appreciate that its touched on somewhat.
Note when we see the Tank destroy the Web Star, we didn't hear the line that played over it in the Runaway Bride, where we are told that it was working on orders from Mr Saxon, becasue the Doctor Died before season 3, so the Master was trapped at the end of the universe, so he never came back to become Mr Saxon.
Really glad you enjoyed the episode, it's really dark compared to the others but it's one of my favourites from this series. I won't spoil anything for the next two parter, but I think you will really enjoy those episodes. Also, on iplayer, it doesn't really spoil much about the next two episodes in the thumbnail apart from the villain, which is really annoying.
Others have said already labour camps is where they are heading... its funny at the time some felt that this was over the top and no one wud ever be sent to labour camps.. but as recent events we see across the country and world... there's literal labour camps...nationalism is on the rise, Rwanda policies etc.. its not beyond the realms of possibilities that history can repeat it self as unfortunately it often does. Regarding the ep... absolute banger... glad u loved it. I had a feeling you wud... there's so much on it... it connects all the different Doctor Who worlds, it has brilliant references to the past ... showing how successful the series has been that its built its own mythology within the new series... i love the arcs in series 4... cos they end up connecting as far as series 1...like Bad wolf ...yet RTD didn't sit there and necessarily plan it ... but it all still feels connected. And Donna... look at Catherine Tate!!! How they all said she is just some silly sketch show comedian... nah she's an Actor! The finest of them all! To this day Catherine has no clue what anything in the scripts of this show meant... she's not a big fan of scifi and fantasy... if you asked to explain that this was a what if ep... she wudnt be able to tell u 😂 but look at her performance... at no no point you'd think her character doesn't get what is going on or what needs to be done... and the best thing is often she's claimed to be annoying and ditzy and then changed in series 4... this ep shows that amazing series 4 character growth in one whole ep even without the Doctor in her life... oh Donna.. you are brilliant! It was so much fun seeing Billie back... though bless her she said she forgotten how Rose talks... hence why she sounds a bit off 😅... but i love that character arc has continued from series 2... where she's basically become like the Doctor even more... heck even to being nameless here. That sacrifice scene always makes me cry.... someone who starts of seemingly selfish (and we can see why with the kind of emotionally abusive mum she has)... does the most unselfish thing possible... Wilf is also so wonderful here... love bearnard... The Doctor&Donna... both just had an episode without each other...and both needed each other. Not one more than the other ... oh i just love Donna! So next one......... enjoy Im also so annoyed for u Regarding the stupid bbc IPLAYER giving things away... i wish u cud watch without thumbnails 🙄
I was gonna mention the connectivity of series 1-4 once I was done with Tennet era of doctor who. It really does feel like one massive story and not 4 seasons. Donna is amazing, Catherine has done an amazing job so far and this episode is a great example of that. Glad you mentioned the way Rose sounded. I noticed that she sounded differently but I thought it was just me so I didn’t bring it up 😂 can’t wait to watch more :)
The fact rose knew about the doctor stopped the titanic crashing into London and because the doctor wasn’t there she told Donna to go to another city which ended up saving her life. Sick episode
Honestly, there was so much foreshadowing for the final episode in this series in regards to Donna, that is a pleasure for me to not spoil it for you, but tbe foreshadowing is on a level of the Augur in Fires of Pompeii telling Donna that she has something on her back. Brace yourself. 😂
I love this episode, and it’s little connections to the various spin-offs. Actually, I think this might be my favourite reaction of yours. It was especially cool to see how you reacted when the Doctor died :) Other people have pointed out the labour camps and trickster brigade stuff, but one thing I thought was really cool was how when Rose mentions the Torchwood team, a small sample of the Torchwood main theme plays. Very much looking forward to seeing what you think of the finale.
This episode and the previous episode are this series equivalent to the Doctor/companion lite episode from the previous 2 series. Though this time with a bit of a shake up by having a companion lite episode followed by a Doctor lite episode. I think you would probably agree by now that these episodes justify their existence. It's honestly insane how good these 2 episodes are in completely different ways. The first being an exercise in how to tell a compelling story in a single room. The second being an exercise in showing the type of story you can tell if you properly handle your continuity. Here's a fun detail you might not immediately think about. We skipped the series 3 finale because Mr Saxon can only exist if the Doctor and Martha travel to the end of the universe.
yeah, at one point I mentally went through to see what stuff would and wouldn't have happened. I guess the only thing that was skipped was historical stuff, so The Shakespeare Code, Daleks in Manhattan/Evolution of the Daleks, The Fires of Pompeii etc. but I don't think that detracts from the episode at all because those were all historical-based episodes and wouldn't have been at the forefront of the audiences' minds in this present day-focussed ep
After watching SJA, we speculated about what the universe would be like without The Doctor - when you said that, I laughed out loud!!!!! Because I knew where you were in the journey through this series! Well, now you know! The Collessantos were carted off to a 'Labour Camp'. When Wilf said "It's happening again" he is referring to the Second World War when people with cultural backgrounds from the countries we were at war with were interned for the duration - and of course in Nazi Germany the 'Labour Camps' were a euphamism for the the Concentration Camps. As an old soldier, Wilf sees it for what it is, whereas Donna has just taken it at face value....and Mr Collessanto knows, but takes it so bravely.... This episode is amazing on so many levels. It shows a world without The Doctor- but it also shows sparks of who Donna might be, if she could only believe in herself- which is something The Doctor gave her, even in Runaway Bride, because after that we learn she began to yearn for more from life. Tying all the storylines in all 3 programme together in this episode was just AMAZING!!! I remember jumping up and down on my settee watching this for the first time.
The stuff with the camp is very sad. I didn’t understand it but after reading the comments. It made that scene really really dark. Such a great concept for an episode, exactly what I wanted to see. Can’t wait to watch more :)
I always thought, Bad Wolf means Rose. Still do. Never made the connection with the Daleks. In 1x13 she says, it's a sign, not a warning (or smth along those lines, that it's for hope, not for fear). And i thought it still stands here.
At 8:01, it’s the Whoniverse’s American newscaster: Trinity Wells, played by Lachele Carl! Shes appeared in all three TV shows (SJA, DW, & TW) playing the same character. There’s even a Torchwood audio about her!
That Italian family that got sent away to the labor camps and Wilfred alluding to that's what they called them last time refers to the World War 2 era when we were at war with Germany, Italy, and Japan. In America we called them concentration or internment camps and they were very similar to the camps that Germany used. In America at least we mainly concentrated Japanese people after the attack on Pearl harbor and the conditions were absolutely atrocious. Read *Farewell to Manzanar* if you want to know what is was like in an American internment camp. But on a more positive note, the next 2 episodes of season 4 are some of the best in the whole series in my opinion and make season 4 that much more of a standout season.
I always found this episode kinda horrific. It really shows how screwed we'd all be if we went just one year without the Doctor. Also idk if you've noticed, but throughout series 4 there's been people repeating the phrase 'there's something on your back' to Donna. Although the only one I can recall at the moment is in Fires of Pompeii, the dude who's arm was turned to stone and broken off.
It was really good, exactly the type of concept for an episode I wanted to see. I literally said it as a reply to a comment on a previous video and here it is 😂 can’t wait to watch more :)
I do have to say one thing that always bothers me in this episode and that is it shows that the timeline diverges before run away bride, then we see the events of the run away bride, Smith and Jones, Voyage of the Damned, partners in crime, and the Sontaran stratagem and the poison sky. my big question is, what about all the other stuff, yes some like The Master would not happen nor the family of blood stuff and nor several others are easy to think about what happened, but what about Shakespeare code, Daleks in Manhattan and Evolution of the Daleks, Blink, The Fires of Pompeii, and the Unicorn and the Wasp? plus several others. I never thought about this before when I first saw the episode but after seeing it other times it makes me wonder.
The explanation I think would just be not enough time. It’ll be too much for an 45-50 minute episode. There wouldn’t be enough time for it. I guess it’s sort of implied to us as the audience that all those moments in Doctor who went wrong cause the Doctor was not there to stop them :)
@@HamzaReactz yeah I guess or then again know the trickster brigade, since we know the trickster as he stated in Sarah Jane Adventures would stop certain events from happening like he did with the Bane and other enemies Sarah Jane stopped. I guess an in universe explanation is he stopped those events from happening in the first place. However I think only for the Daleks and the Pyroviles, and probably a bit with the Weeping angels. But I don’t know it’s just a guess
I think you skip the next time trailers, but the one at the end of ‘Midnight’ revealed that Rose was going to be in this episode. I thought it was a nice subversion of the audience expectations that Rose’s first full episode back isn’t really about her, but is instead Donna’s finest hour, as we get see how brave and (if you’ll pardon the pun) noble she is! Next 2 episodes….. oh my word. You are in for another treat. Warning: when you see how episode 12 ends you may need a lie down in an oxygen tent for a while to recover!
The next 2 episodes are just as good. I personally think these episodes should’ve been the finale because this “3 parter” is definitely better than the actually finale. Can’t wait for the next reactions
Even if just for the next two episodes maybe someone can screen your comments? (Edit: never mind. I saw your comment about thumbnails below. Hopefully at least in the comments box people will be careful) I really liked this episode. The doctors companions have saved him in many ways before. But that flashback to Donna saying “you can stop now” way back in her first episode when she was a one time Christmas Special companion… that really highlighted it.
I’m gonna put a “don’t spoil” text in my dr who related reaction videos. If people still do it, then I will find a way to stop it. Idk how but I’ll try my best. It’s something that’s really not in my control. People just have to be mature about this and not spoil it for others :)
@HamzaReactz some reactors have people who like sort out what comments spoil and what don't and such. Not sure how you'd manage it and people would find other ways but, good luck.
Would you agree this is the best episode of this season up to now? Personally I think it is. The next 2 episodes are also just as good if not better but this episode was different compared to normal doctor who because it was mainly focused on Donna and what would happen without the doctor but I liked it
"Labour camps. That's what they called them last time. It's happening again." Wilf means concentration camps. They were being taken to concentration camps.
You really need to find a way of viewing everything going forward without the thumbnails, there are massive spoilers in the thumbnails for the next few eps.
If so, that’ll mean the episode won’t record for the reaction. I once tried something like that in the past and when recording the screen it just showed a blank screen, so that won’t be a possibility I don’t think.
