Doctor Who 6x13 REACTION!! "The Wedding of River Song" 

Part right, river purposely miss shooting the spacesuit, she already knew about who it was.

Is that a meme by any chance? Cause I remember reading this precise sentence somewhere...

catxborsuq1 it is, I remember posting a meme about it when the episode came out

Caleb Bowey relatable

@Conrad Ferrus Maybe she remembers someone shooting her the first time.

Nuh uh...his name is Please :P

Maybe is his name in our language like the tenth doctor in series 2 said “physics,physics,physics...” this is the doctor explaining physics but in our language is too complicated so is translated in “physics”you know what I mean?😂

The real name of the Doctor is "Theta Sigma" and has been known since Tom Baker (1974-1981) played the Doctor. (the episode is named "The Armageddon Factor")

henrikjangel theta sigma is the Doctor’s past self not his name (or at least is what it has been written on a Doctor Who page where you can search everything about it)

@@henrikjangel wasn't theta sigma his codename when he was in school?

Yeah, it's about River shooting "the Doctor" not the Doctor dying.

I would go further to say that a Fixed Point is a point in time that has been physically observed by a time traveller, or perhaps even a crossing of a time travellers own timeline. However the specifics of the event may not be clear as in this example, so fixed points are open to manipulation if handled carefully. The Fires of Pompeii is a good example.

@@AndrewEmmett I see it more like a point for which it _doesn't matter_ if a time-traveller observes it or if/how they're involved, it has happened and it always will. Fixed points can't be manipulated but it's possible to realise they were never _actually_ what you thought they were, your information about them can change but the point itself can't. Like Wilf's four knocks for instance - for as long as there's been spacetime, that event has been there, waiting to happen to 10 (as he says "Because that's who you are, Wilfred. You were always this. Waiting for me all this time.") or Pompeii, where the event was always fixed, it's just that it turned out it was _also_ always instigated by the Doctor.

Yep, this. Still surprised that some people don't get how the fixed point works. There's never any change - just read up on the bootstrap paradox. The whole story is a predestination paradox and quite frankly, if you don't like that, then stop watching a show about time travel!

@@Helbore Indeed. Sometimes I think most of Moffat's era can be traced back to someone telling him "All You Zombies" was the ultimate predestination paradox story and him going "Hold my beer" ;). (he also seems to have read up on some actual physics though likely just at the pop-sci level - a lot of his ideas and even dialogue calls to mind the "block universe" concept from special relativity for instance)

Came here to talk about it... I only stayed with Cal during that scene.

I can't wait, for them to get caught up, and say: 'Well, that was a lot of: 'Doctor Who!' But, it wasn't so bad! Now, let's see what all that: 'Classic Doctor Who,' is all about!'

@@gavinhenderson7250 Har har, typical response. If you have no argument against this, then just be quiet. A holocaust of ugly people would benefit mankind.

@@user-ml5vl1dj7u trolling? Really? In this day and age?

@@gavinhenderson7250 I don't know what I hate more. Ugly people, or people who think I'm trolling whenever I say this opinion anywhere on the internet. Newsflash people: when people have opinions that trigger you, that doesn't mean they're trolling.

Exactly. The Doctor _appears_ to die and importantly is _witnessed_ appearing to die (so River can be jailed for his murder and so gets the invitation, goes to Lake Silencio etc.). But the Doctor _actually_ dying was never a requirement of the fixed point.

Nicholas Courtney was the actor who played the Brig. He's the only actor to have appeared in the original series with ALL seven of the first Doctors. He played a different character with William Hartnell (1), in The Daleks Master Plan. Alistair Gordon Lethbridge-Stewart was introduced in two stories from Patrick Troughton's (2) time. When Jon Pertwee (3) took over, he was exiled to Earth, so worked with the Brig and Unit on a regular basis, which spilled over into Tom Baker's (4) era. He made a couple of appearances with Peter Davison (5). He didn't actually appear during Colin Bakers (6) regular years, but did appear with him in one scene from the 30th Anniversary short called Dimensions In Time, which most people would rather forget. His last on screen appearance in Doctor Who was with Sylvester McCoy (7). The actor did make several shows for Big Finish audio, including working with Paul McGann (8). Finally, he also made an on screen appearance with Elizabeth Sladen in the Sarah Jane Adventures. Sadly they both died within a couple of months of each other.

Brought a tear to my eye that

horribly sad@@craigtcaster

I agree,@@Tsukiakari-qb3tk, it was! Especially Elizabeth because I hadn't even known she was sick.

Craig Caster and Elizabeth Moore A big thumbs up to both of you. I don't find too many others (at least on these boards) who is as big a fan of the Brigadier as I am. As for Sarah Jane, well, she was one of the first companions I ever saw, so she'll always have a special place in my heart.

Yes, so that's why when Amy early this season wanted to kill the person/young River in the astronaut suit and she told River, she said, it was a fixed point, she wasn't afraid of him dying, because this is future River, she knows he doesn't actually die. She knows she can't change what happened.

Think that's how you make a fixed point you make them read it they know the doctor has to die because they saw that at least they saw him get shot and lit on fire teeny little bit of wiggle room

I would pick it over juvenile Dalek world takeover plots any day of the week.

And it's still not over at the point they're lol.

@@ookam9685 They had already guessed it by that point, them paying attention and discuss the story really led them to understand a lot of things way quicker. Heck, Shane guessed River was Amy's daughter in the first episode, if I'm not mistaken.

What complexity? It's wibbly wobbly timey wimey

Unpopular opinion: I never had trouble understanding the arc

ICantThinkOfAGood Username Atleast they can go see, Jon Pertwee, and Robert Delgado, again.

@@ryugaknight Roger Delgado*

Technically they died within two months of each other, but it is depressing. Especially since she died right around the canon date the doctor “died”

**sigh**... I said OFF the wrist! I love the facial expressions he made when he opened the box in that scene.

@@coladict ....The hand of Boe?

@@jeckjeck3119 You do know that Jack wasn't the only time agent ever?

@@coladict I know..... but he has to become a giant head in the jar.... Did the monks help with that?

@@jeckjeck3119 He was supposed to be in this episode and beheaded, hence becoming the Face of Bo but Barrowman was busy with other commitments so the blue guy was made to replace Jack.

They probably filmed it during the week of Christmas though to be fair

Nope, not next year either :/ they'll be in the middle of Series 10.

@@charleyarcher8893 i know but if they put some mini episodes in for a week or 2 we could get one if we're lucky that or they do 2 eps a week again we could just about get one

@@charleyarcher8893 do u mean midway production of S10 or airing? coz it was confirmed by BBC that doctor who wont be back on tv until 2020 at the earliest

@@Grimlock7 Series 10 came out in 2017

jockadoobee agree to disagree on that.

Series 6 is one of the weakest for me. The only episodes I really enjoyed were The Impossible Astronaut/Day of the Moon, The Doctor’s Wife, A Good Man Goes to War, The Girl Who Waited and The God Complex

I've been waiting for those since they started this reaction series.

Yeah definitely, the rest of Series 7 is pretty weak tbh. The only episodes I really enjoyed were Asylum of the Daleks, The Angels Take Manhattan, The Bells of St. John and The Name of the Doctor

I actually assumed the fixed point was just what was perceived to have happened and either the Doctor or a convincing fake doctor needed to be shot in that moment.

NekoVira I think what happened, always happened. It was always a fake doctor at the lake who got shot...We viewers, and Amy, Rory, and river thought it was the real doctor

It seems Calvin knows more about the classic Dr Who period than the rest of the guys, is that right?

@@johnking5174 yeah, he watched a lot of Tom Baker and a few other doctors when he was younger

coladict why is he in square brackets?

Wipeout325Because the original quote, spoken by Chruchill, was "in terms I can understand". When you change a quote (often to make it match your point or two reiterate the subject), you put the part you changed in brackets to indicate such a change...

Raalm N They might do some mini episodes tho

@@maxeyre2024 if you mean the little 5 minute shorts then they usually release them alongside the episode

Raalm N Close, but they started Series 12 early this year. They won’t be caught up until at least July or August.

good maths

It can be done but not without breaking the universe. Since most of us feel like we _need_ the universe in order to, y'know, do our washing, store our stuff, have adventures in space and time etc. that counts as not being able to do it ;).

@@komierror5129 Yeah, as time went on I lost more and more faith in these guys. Coincidently, I actually stopped watching their videos just before the Name of the Doctor. It might seem dumb to stop watching them before they even tackle the 50th Anniversary, but while I knew that they would do some stuff to lead up to it I'd like some reactors, they quickly hit me about after that, they were just going to follow the main episode list and nothing else.

I don't know if the Blind Wave crew know which episode is Matt's final one, so you might've actually just put in a spoiler.

Spoilers don't really matter I assume Aaron is the only one reading the comments

@@lewanbroski504 eh, Eric said something referencing the comments, so he way read them too.

Yo you should delete this

since matts first episode they've been for-shadowing his final episode lol

Too many loose ends The wedding itself felt force The Doctor faking his death really cheapens his reaction and decision to Brigadiers' Him faking his death was pointless as next episode he returns to Amy, everything returns to normal making the whole season arc feel cheap and a waste of time.

It doesn't involve corny world takeover. Instead it has a corny 'love story' with River, a disappointing ending to Silence, ideas that are going nowhere. It is Moffat officially lifting his arms in the air and going 'Fuck, I don't know anymore.'

@TreatoDogra I think people mistake a complicated plot for a complex one. Moffat's plots are usually complicated, but aren't complex. Considering how much the ratings tanked during Moffat's era, I think it's better to write for "noobs" than pseudo-intellectuals.

I don't think most people had a problem with the episode as a whole but just that a lot of people didn't fully understand how the Doctor survived a fix point and to be fair it not a easy ending to follow, you really have to pay attention and think about it. you know a show that treats it audience like there smart can sometimes get a little overcomplicated for the casual viewer who just wants to sit and enjoy without having to think too hard on any point in the show. I also like this finale.

The main problem with Moffat's plots is that they are not suitable for a show like Doctor Who, which has always been primarily focused on being a Saturday night sci-fi romp for families. Unless you're sitting down every single week and intensely concentrating, you're gonna be shit outta luck. It began appealing more to the hardcore fanbase that had begun to spring up around that time. That's why the ratings tanked. I know that personally, my family stopped watching because it was no longer suited for the "vaguely concentrating on a lazy weekend around the TV" situation. Which, no matter what you have to say, has always been Doctor Who's strongest audience, and is what the show has primarily focused on targeting until Moffart came along. Basically, as has been said. Moffart panders to pseudo-intellectuals. The show has always survived by playing off of the fact that that _isn't_ the type of show Doctor Who is.

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Soufle?

The worst character in Doctor Who history?

@TreatoDogra truth

@@DextroDNAOfficial do you remember the monster in Love and Monsters because goddamn

You grew up into a lion? Tumblr said you turned into a hiddleston!

@@Velociraptour ''...''

I was shouting it at my TV! All in good fun of course. Hail Stormageddon!

I thought you preferred Alfie now. Did you and your dad have a falling out?

but didn't they burn the body ? what happened to everyone inside the robot ? and how come we saw him almost regenerating after being shot ?

I like to pretend the next Christmas episode doesn't exist. I actually thought we were getting 7x1 next week until Aaron said otherwise...

Isn't that the one where the only redeeming factor was that moment with Amy and The Doctor?

Series 7 will be a pretty big one for me, because of Clara. She was the first companion I was ever exposed to when I learned that Doctor Who was a thing, and she's been my favorite since then.

@@BlueSparxLPs She isn't my favorite, but i do love her character. I don't dislike her nearly as much as a lot of others to.

I really liked the next Christmas episode, it's one of the few episodes where 11 gets to be in his element.

Oh and Brigadier was also with the third Doctor who got stuck on Earth, and also appeared with four and five. Not sure about after that, how often, if at all, he appeared. But I know he was predominantly with Three cause Three got stuck on Earth and it was a UNIT heavy run with Three.

That's my theory as well. In Forest of the Dead 10 says there's only one reason he would ever tell anyone his name, only one time he could. I used to think it would be for a wedding proposal, but now I think it's in the event of his permanent death. In Lets Kill Hitler he thought he was dying for good, but he also had to try and protect her timeline because he knew that she knows his name in her future. Even in the face of his permanent death his last act was to help her.