My school’s DW club took us to the BBC to visit the set of ‘Ghostlight’ where we got to meet Sylvester, Sophie and JNT, and watch dress rehearsals from the wings. Sylvester and So[hie came out to have a chat to us in a break between set-ups and they were so lovely to us, and it strikes me now to think ‘did they know it was canceled at that point?’ How smiley and friendly that were, but were they thinking ‘god, we have to meet these kid fans and pretend everything’s alright even though their show is going to end’. Who knows
@@KeiranCounsellKC1994 Hi, I worked on the very last Story, (SURVIVAL) as one of the Cast members, in scenes with Julian Holloway, Anthony Ainley, Will Barton, Sophie Aldred, & Sylvester McCoy, we shot the very last scenes on Horsenden Hill, and on that day I was told by members of the crew it was the very last Dr Who, I thought they were joking, so I asked the Director, (Alan Wareing) and he said the show had been Cancelled by the BBC Executives, so by that stage as we filmed the last scene on the last day on Location, I can confirm every one knew.,
@@Cortinaman63 that is amazing! Its so sad that everyone knew at that point and even sadder that the BBC didnt see the huge improvements to the show towards 1989 and didnt recommission it
I love that moment of Eccleston's voice whispering over JNT's last words. It's like an echo from the future calling and giving us a hint of saying: "It's not done yet. We will be back."
Ino seeing that and jnts kind of meloncoly reaction in the documentary it was from i found very moving so i included it only adding a small camera zoom
I did my work experience at the BBC in the week of 23rd of November 1988. It was wonderful to see Silver Nemesis be broadcast live whilst in the corridors of the BBC with the TARDIS prop still in the prop store at TVC. I was in contact with the production office the year after and they sent me a load of shooting scripts for the final season and there was no hint of definite cancellation. It did need a refresh beyond where it had go to be 1990 but to leave it off air for 15 years was ridiculous.
Man, stories like these... they just hurt hard. And this is coming from someone who was born after the TV movie happened, right in the middle of the wilderness years.
JNT's personal life story after Doctor Who cancellation is another one that hurts hard. there are clips from his last interview when he was ill and off camera he said ''told you I could do it'', he basically contacted janet fielding when she was an agent looking for career help as nobody would employ him. his only job as a producer was doctor who and he was stuck doing stuff for doctor who and the BBC after but never had another producer role again, he fell into depression and turned to the destructive impulses during the 90s
JNT had finally settled into his role as “executive” producer. Cartmel had a vision in place and we had Sylv and Sophie in situ, it really was on its way back up, it’s heartbreaking😭
just thank god it was cancelled when it did. The plans they had for the show was horrific. It was going to be more camp and the next doctor was going to be Uncle Vernon from Harry Potter.
I was not a McCoy fan at the time. I didn't like his stories from the first two seasons but then his third season happened it was a great turn around and I started warming up to him. I was looking forward to seeing what The Doctor and Ace would be doing but then the cancellation happened.
I often thought that some of McCoy's stories were some of the best in the whole 80s, possibly the whole series- Remembrance of the Daleks has a case for being one of the best Dalek stories, Greatest Show In The Galaxy has a great cast and some terrifying moments, Ghost Light has superb production values (albeit a slightly shaky script), Curse of Fenric in it's special edition is excellent and Survival takes the series back to a London council estate.
Met Anthony Ainley at a Timecon in San Jose, ca where he was so amazingly kind and generous to give an obnoxious kiddo a cricket ball he had brought with him...💜
@@rossforrest Only amongst lonely fan girls in love with Tennant and not the show. Tennant was "The Meddling Monk" who stole the Doctor's Tardis and went on a lark. He was witty...He could be funny. He was way too often THE HAM.(and the Beeb was way too indulgent to Tennant while short-shrifting fandom) The same fan girlies who hated Matt Smith before he started. The same totally one-dimensional addicts to Always-over-the -Top Tennant, that couldn't and never WILL appreciate Smith's "subtleties" in the role. Tennant was a Jestor....Smith IS The Doctor.
@@rossforrest :grins: Fear not. We all have *our* Doctors. Mine, as for many, should have likely been Baker but I was just old enough to have a couple of years of Pertwee and the Brigadier and so, for me, he was *my * Doctor and he, with the glorious Sarah Jane, are my era. Nigh on fifty years later I still recall being terrified seeing her with that awful spider on her back in Planet of the Spiders ... I must have been ten or eleven at the time and the ropey special effects didn't seem ropey at all to my child's imagination :). Even some time on now, I still get teary eyed knowing that Elisabeth has passed on. One of the very rare occasions where the death of a public figure caused me to shed genuine tears - it was as if my own real-life older sister had died.
"Doctor Who has no place in the nineties" - Janet Fielding ... 😁 well, she was right! It was so intensely disheartening to wait and wait for the next season of Doctor Who and just not know whether or not it had been cancelled or not. I'd just become a fan a couple of years back (we used to get them a year later at that point) and going into my adolescence as a social outcast with this new sci-fi character to identify with and not knowing where it went was so upsetting. Made me feel even more like a reject...
I really wish they gave McCoy one more season where they knew it was the final season. It could have been so good, McCoy and Sophie where so well settled into their roles and we could have seen a conclusive end to their story. ... but part of me also wonders if the show being canceled in the way it was, and the hunger it left fans is what led to the revival? If the 7th Dr. and the show as a whole was given a satisfying end would fans of been content to see the show end? In the end it may of worked out in a favor, but that guys still a nob for cancelling the show when and how he did!
2:13 - There is the very talented Mike Tucker who worked as the special visual effects director for Red Dwarf, the hit sci fi sitcom on BBC 2 from 1988 to 1999. Mike also worked on the rebooted Red Dwarf series when it moved to the UKTV Dave channel from 2009 onward.
Mike tucker... what he could do with the abismal bbc budget is just fantastic and i had no idea he also worked on another of my favourite shows!! Although i always maintained red dwarf was very similar in look and feel to doctor who
The Doctor Who makers at the time had great ideas but little money to carry out those great ideas. There were some wonderful moments and not so wonderful moments. It all came down to money. The BBC was wrong in what they did. If they had brought in a new producer and more cash it could have gone on forever. Coronation Street means nothing to Australians. Doctor Who meant a lot.
For me, it is the supreme irony that, as you say, they didn't have the money for the ideas, yet today, with the magic of CGI, they can do pretty much anything they want, but a once great show has been reduced to pc drivel.
It's sad that the future of the show hinged on one TV movie's viewing figures in 1996 in America, only to be quashed by Roseanne's big cliffhanger with Dan having a heart attack. If we did things today now that social media and videos are spread like wildfire, the reaction might have been much stronger. However, the wild changes proposed for the show were not very well thought out and could have completely twisted what Doctor Who was at its core.
I think one of JNTs biggest errors was introducing a 'Costume' for The Doctor rather than simply a 'style'. And the Question Mark motif really reduced it to a kiddie show level. Though having said that, somehow it worked for Peter Davison's amiable incarnation.
It worked for Tom Baker, his costume was ironically quite understated. And McCoy would've worked great if it had just been the umbrella and not the jumper too.
@@KeiranCounsellKC1994 What I think was a huge missed opportunity was coming back from the 18 month hiatus and Colin Baker still had that damned jacket. Could you imagine if he stepped out of the TARDIS in a new, more stylish outfit? It would've signaled that they were taking things more seriously. Such a waste.
@@seamusburke639 it wouldnt have made a difference by that point, the damage was already done and no amount of reshaping of the costume or character would have been enough at that point, I mean look what happened after eric seward left, it wasnt until season 25 that it started to really improve and it was at the last of the 3 year period it was at a good point but it just didnt translate to viewership at that point
@@KeiranCounsellKC1994 That is testament to the early series that is was such a cultural phenomenon on the budget that it had. There is no shame in that
Funny he says it needed someone to bring it into a new era and update it when that's exactly what had just happened in 1987-89. Not even like it's a small update, they fundamentally changed everything about the show. Rings a bit hollow or as an excuse in that context particularly with everything else that has been said about the BBC and the higher ups view of Doctor Who.
You make a very valid point. Season 25 and 26 had indeed already shaken up the formula. Creatively, the show was in a strong place. BBC officials that say the show was axed because it needed an update feels like some revisionist history. It takes some heat off BBC officials if they pretend the show was struggling creatively.
@@dommoore6180 The person who "cancelled" the show said the BBC wanted the show to be updated significantly. Therefore whatever update happened in the late 80s was not what they were looking for. We can further confirm this by looking fowards to the movie and the 2005 revival.
@@jakegearhart That's not confirmation of anything, for a start the movie's history is a whole can of worms and wasn't remotely direct even about it's intentions, secondly the 2005 "revival" was not remotely planned, most people thought it would fail and faced push back on it's road to completion anyway. And besides (again) it had literally just seen that "significant update", there's simply no universe where you look at survival and can't see that. The only thing you're right about is that the update that took place wasn't what they were looking for - and that's because DW had essentially already been cancelled back with season 22 crossing into 23. Before this era of the show even began. "Whatever update happened in the late 80s" - this makes it sound as though you haven't watched the era in question here.
The fact he didnt want to work on it after the five doctors but was forced to by the fact the BBC would cancel it if he left is probably the biggest reason he should be respected, he made sure the BBC couldnt get rid of it for so long, he even caused the uproar when michael grade tried to cancel it by using ian levine and the press to smear the BBC
@@harrynewiss4630 tom baker dissagreed with JNTs changes towards the show and how he tried to somewhat control toms performance and take away alot of the power that tom had aquired.
@@KeiranCounsellKC1994 Tom had been wanting to leave since season 15 and continuing to say he would quit. When he went to JNT, his response was not the same as Williams'. and the toned down Doctor puts him on par with season 12. Not a bad thing.
Looking back at the newspaper archives verifies my memories - we didn't say cancelled much in the UK as regards TV programmes ending. We said 'ending' or 'being put on hiatus'.
Sylvester McCoy is massively under rated. His stories were a cut above the Fifth and Sixth eras and everyone was having to make do with what they had. It was sad.
I'm a US fan who was away at college when all of this went down. My dad taped a few episodes from PBS for me, and one of those just happened to be "Survival", which thought was is a really great story, but it had an odd feeling of finality to it that I didn't really understand at the time. It was a couple of months later that learned the sad news that _Doctor Who_ had been cancelled.
This was a terrible era for the BBC, their entire program focus shifted to soap operas and talk shows and game shows. This was the era when the BBC really began its terminal decline. Doctor Who being cancelled was in the bigger picture just a minor casualty.
+Michael John Faulkner the budget for doctor who wasn't great and neither was the special effects back then but its still my favourite show and I'm glad I've got all episodes from 63 to 89
I'm sort of glad it was cancelled when it was. Season 26 ended it on a high. From what I've heard of season 27, I don't think it would have been as good. At least it didn't end with season 24
Its a combination, some of the clips, majority are from a documentary on the survival dvd where they talk about what would have happened in the 90s and some clips from the life of JNT which is on the season 26 bluray, its heavily cutdown too. The combined runtime of the features (talking about the cancellation) are about 1 hour long
Doctor Who: The Movie was a good way to go, even though it was a 7 year hiatus, the episode was a nice send of for Sylvester McCoy and a nice beginning for Paul McGann, unfortunately it got cancelled afterwards so we never got anymore 8th doctor stories.
Whatever people thought of Sylvester as Dr Who, atleast he always looked like he enjoyed playing the character. Peter Davison always appeared to be going through the motions by his third season.
Would've been nice for some Doctor to get a fourth season after Tom Baker... ...so far nobody has. It's a bit saddening that they'd actually planned to have a fourth year for Sylvester and Sophie and then they didn't get it because I think they would've deserved it. One of my favourite pairs.
5th 6th 7th doctors were my favourites and I think even if your not a true doctor who fan. It's still a British Institute and all these years later I've started to collect the classic series on DVD. Because at the time you don't really understand the stories ECT ECT. But has you get older (in my case) you can appreciate the writing of the stories and they were being written however don't get me wrong some of the stories are quite weak but some of the stories oh very quirky and fantastic to revisit again now when you grow up. And the classic series is a time if you think back when life seemed alot easier then than now!!!
I really do feel sorry for JNT. I knew he wanted to leave several years before the show was cancelled, but I had no idea it was as far back as 1983. The fact he stayed on after the BBC threatened to end the show if he left showed his dedication to the programme and the fans. When the BBC decided to 'rest' the show, there wasn't a lot he could do. People say he could have tried to convince the higher-ups that there was potential for the programme, but by the sounds of it, things had already been decided by the time he was informed. By the McCoy era, new people like Andrew Cartmel, Ben Aaronovitch and Colin Brake joined the show, with new visions and talents. Peter Cregeen might claim that there wasn't anybody who wanted to produce the show or making themselves known as having a passion and vision for it, but from what it looks like, he wasn't looking hard enough or in the right places. It's a shame the classic series ended when it did - it would have been nice to get a final season with Sylvester McCoy where he could complete his vision for the Seventh Doctor, as I believe he is easily one of the best incarnations.
I think the issue is much the same right now, show at its lowest turn with a producer people grew to hate and a doctor they didnt much rate with stories that felt cobbled together from odds and ends. I think like what happened after chibnal with rtd coming back to save it the bbc wanted someone whos rated highly at the bbc to take it over rather than relatively new talent like cartmel and co, i guess its a trust thing. The whole story of jnt is desperately sad, doctor who made his career and then broke his career and he was left doing odd pantos, doctor who exhibitions where he could showcase the show and any video release bits and bobs and documentaries. One really positive thing is because of jnt wanting to show uni students training for television he kept a few 71 edits and studio footage which would have ceased to exist had he not kept them, thank god for the bbc having a lose grip on the archive material through the 1990s alot of material that has since been wiped at the bbc has found itself passed around private collectors and thankfully nearly all material ever produced for remembrance of the daleks exists in various places and varying quality
I think it seems so different because there was no progression, i think if it had have carried on through the 90s and early 00s it would have resulted in the same kind of 2005-2020 stuff. I dont think the visual effects would have really improved by much until the late 90s as red dwarf had the same kind of budget as doctor who and their special effects were about the same until cgi came into it (when home pcs could handle it and cost wise it became viable)
I remember these times (mid to late 80's) and indeed, there was a lot of upheaval and controversy happenning re the show at that time. The initial 18 month "hiatus" (though we were bummed about at the time) was not altogether a bad thing, and the Trial of a Time Lord concept was good, sort of reflecting what was happenning to the show in real life. Eric Saward said in his famous interview he wanted the show to go out w an "absolute wham" but JN-T went for the pantomime-ish ending, which he always seemed to go for (and i agree was not a good approach). I like what Sylvester McCoy said here if allowed back for another season he couldve refined the Doctor more into the type of character he wanted him to be. But more than anything, it seems the powers-that-be simply had it in for the show. For the high-brow drama ppl to look on the show as a "carreer-killer"...ouch, that hurt. The show did need a 'refit' but if the BBC heads more positively backed the program it very well couldve stayed on the air. Did JN-T stay to long? Yeah. One thing he had in the mix which previous producers didnt was the explosion of popularity in the overseas (U.S.) markets, the conventions, and the huge amt of money in the shows merchandising and marketing. It seemed like JN-T was to far immersed in that aspect of the show as well, but thats another story. But when ppl like Jonathan Powell and Lew Grade are firmly adamant against the show coming back....theres not much you can do.
I think what really got the BBC, I mean they always say that they didnt like scifi and thats true but I think a big contributer is that a good scifi is alot more expensive than a simple drama, its alot more complicated to make and I think that aspect really influenced the BBC, I mean these days doctor who is getting the same budget as eastenders... it makes me very angry as I know the complete figures for the new series and I know the classics would have been similar, when the BBC say its expensive to make they miss out the amount of profits they get from it, which dont go back into the show atall. Current doctor who costs 1m per episode to make, every 3 episodes gets over 40m in profits
@@KeiranCounsellKC1994 Very true, by definition, sci-fi will cost more money to make. I can only imagine what the shows budget was back in the early days. I saw a news item the other day, when Patrick Troughton was announced to replace William Hartnell, there was only a small news item in the paper, not much publicity at all, plus it was still seen as a childrens program - its completely different now. I went to tons of conventions here in the U.S. in the 80's and 90's and it was a constant overflow of merchandise sold (all BBC licensed)- how much of that got back to the program?? Both Colin and Sylvester are good ppl and good actors, but i think their interpretations of the Doctor (at least in the beginning) didnt go over well with either the BBC heads, or the fans. Its unfortunate though, that neither one of them had a proper regeneration scene...to bad. Its such a different program now from what is was back in the 70's and 80's, for a time...the same show, but different.
@@johncook8720 no merch sales went back to the program, still doesnt these days. The classic doctors were payed a hell of alot less than any of the modern doctors, every single one of the classics complained about pay, none of the new series doctors have complained about pay apart from jodie but she was pulling the me too kind of pay gap bollocks xD its funny because the uk didnt really have many conventions, especially not like the usa ones but then JNT was heavily promoting the series to international markets
@@KeiranCounsellKC1994 I'll never forget at all these U.S. conventions yrs ago the shock and surprise so many of the older Doctors and companions had at the amazing renewed interest in a show that was a part of their past. I wonder what sort of fee they were paid for appearing, it was something, but not a ton, i would gather. Youre right tho, the early Doctors were paid nowhere near what the later Doctors have been. Who are your favorite companions?
@@johncook8720 i can imagine it bringing happy tears to the eyes of people like peter davison and tom baker and such to know that it came back and not only that but kids in the 00s of like 5 and 6 upwards were approaching them to tell them how much they loved their doctor, imortalised in popculture. I love all the classic companions, some not so much as others but I think the best would have to be ace, only because it was such a huge step in the show to really flesh out the companion, to not just have them in trouble or scream all the time and she even got a huge plot twist story line which must have been the first of its kind. What about you?
If they really wanted another head person in charge to replace JNT someone that may have been compassionate & had a fresh set of eyes, they should have really put it out for tender really, with low funding they really did diminish things and made things unreasonable I still enjoyed many doctor who stories of the classic series of the McCoy era, however they should have been given a larger budget imagine what they could have done!
Probably, but then hes probably saying to jodie "the memory cheats" as JNT said in 1987 in defense of the show xD i am somewhat tickled by the fact i called out the new series disaster before it started
I love Dr Who, but it was getting worse and worse as the first two decades passed and sillier and sillier. The reboot with David Tennant and the others was excellent, but with Whitaker and bad writing, maybe another break is worth having, then reboot in a few years.
Sylvester McCoy and Sophie Aldred always claim they were shocked to hear the show had been cancelled but they must have had an inkling it was on the cards. When it was postponed for 18 months in 1985-6, that wasn't exactly a vote of confidence, was it?
Hes more than reasonable as he kept his promise. What he doesnt mention is that he was one of the producers for dark dimension in 1993, he himself was to bring it back but higher up wouldnt allow the funding, he lost his job the following year in 1994 and we ended up with the really cheap and cheerful DIT
@@KeiranCounsellKC1994 It is a shame that we didn't get The Dark Dimension instead of... Dimensions in Time! 😟🤨🤔 As well as the cancellation itself! ☹️ And I too believed it was a temporary hiatus 🤔🤨🤷♂️
“The BBC hated Science fiction” Yeah that might be true, but Red Dwarf had just started on BBC2 the year before. The show needed a hiatus and a major rethink and it paid off. To be honest it could do with another one.
While it hurt at the time, maybe in the end a cancellation was a better fate than a slow death under a BBC that didn't want it. At the time, I was 17 and had never lived in a world that didn't have Doctor Who, and it's cancellation was to be perfectly honest, world shatteringly traumatic. No matter what I was doing in my life, I was there every afternoon on ABC (Australia) waiting and ready, as I had been for my whole life, back as far as I could remember.
What a strange time when BBC producers apparently didn't like science fiction throughout the 90s, but at the same time those years saw the BBC running Star Trek TNG which IMO is the peak Sci fi of that decade.
but that was an import- it wasn't home-grown. Ben Aaronovitch said it best - the BBC at that time was run by (mostly) public school educated executives who feared the embarassment of their peers more than anything else and sci-fi is a good example of that. If you look at the sci-fi on the BBC throughout most of the 90s- Star Trek, Sliders, Buffy (yes I know that's technically fantasty), Babylon 5 etc. it was all imported and shown after 6pm on BB2 (what Alan Yentob called the 'cult slot').
Peter Capaldi should have taken a leaf out of Sylvester McCoy, Jon Pertwee and Tom Baker's books. He was trying too hard while McCoy, Pertwee and Baker relaxed because they knew who they were and what they could bring to the role.
Well chibnal complained in 1986 leading to the last chance saloon where the show had every improvement possible at the time thrown at it.... similar to rtd returning, so we live in hope xD
@@KeiranCounsellKC1994 you got to give the bbc credit though they killed the two most loved shoes ever and didnt even brrak a sweat Top gear got fucked then canceled Dr who imgot fucked anf is now too woke to be canceled To do that taked serious skill'nt
I stopped watching Dr Who when they introduced Bonnie Langford, I wondered if she would start singing and tap dancing in the Tardis, or some desolate quarry. I don't dislike the woman, but she was more suited to singing On the Good Ship Lollipop, hardly appropriate fro the Tardis.
It all comes down to money. BBC executives and producers say it was rubbish, but wouldn't increase the budget. Doctor Who earned more money for the BBC than any other show.
@@KeiranCounsellKC1994 I have watched the life of J-N-T on the season 26 collection. I don't remember all the scenes in your video. However I have only watched it the once. It was very good and kept the views balanced and fair that was the reason I found it a nice piece.
in all fairness though on the money given and with the lack of talent wanting to be apart of the show (I mean look at kevin clarke) it was all they could really do, the technology was barely there and if it was there it was well out of their budget. I mean look at red dwarf in the 90s, it was basically exactly the same as doctor who was, british television as a whole didnt really improve until around 2002 in my opinion
John Nathan Turner odious man, can see why Baker didn't get on with him, he was one of the worst things that happened to Dr Who and shame they didn't get rid of him on the first day he joined.
Michael grade tried to cancel it in 1985-1986, michael grade left the BBC around 1988. It was peter cregreen who actually cancelled doctor who but michael grade for some reason takes the credit even though he wasnt working for the BBC in 1989
Thats the entire BBC sadly, they havent got a clue how to make programs or how to maintain them, but then any organisation or business that gets free money without worrying about how to actually be profitable will mismanage
@@KeiranCounsellKC1994 Well, Sophie is back for the centenary special of Doctor Who along with Janet Fielding. Also, it is near certain that Peter Davison, Colin Baker and Sylvester McCoy are featured in it.
Dr Who for me was from 1963 to 1989. Although wanted it to at the time, it should never of have returned the way it did. Before then we the audience were a part of that adventure. From the legend William Hartnell to Silvester' McCoy's truly epic 'Remembrance of the Daleks' TV which still watch time and time again. Then that all changed on the return when with bigger budgets and those that couldn't care less what it was about BBC turned to the same vile attitudes as you get from Hollywood of talking down to us as if they were some kind of self righteous gods. The viewers and fans from all over the World knew what was needed and weren't asking for much as it didn't need it, but totally ignored. The Actors may be good but lost and drowned out by it being about the BBC and pumping in money just because they could. All it has been for some years is a mouthpiece for the BBC to dictate to us the audience how we should think and patronize because as far as they are concerned we are unable to think for ourselves. "An adventure in Space and time" was an absolute perfect golden opportunity to take Dr Who back to it's roots. But no! For some years now I absolutely refuse to watch any modern Dr Who's as it would just increase my hatred of the BBC.
I was so annoyed when it didn't come back after 1989, When Sophie said she got a phone call but no mobiles in them days come on yes there was! My dad/uncle had one, aso TV adverts for them, pics in mags/papers, teletext .....etc And in loads of films/TV shows in 80's like: Wall Street, 21 Jump Street....etc
Thank god it was cancelled. The way it was going for the 8th Doctor did not look good. It was going to be more camp and star Uncle Vernon from Harry Potter.
I used to love Dr Who as a kid but was completely turned off it during the Sylvester McCoy era. I remember watching some Bertie Bassett thing and thinking "That's enough for me". Maybe I was just growing out of it, maybe it just wasn't very good any more. I dunno.
@@harrynewiss4630 Mums the word, but David Tennant & Catherine Tate are coming into steady the sinking ship. No plans to introduce a new Doctor before 2025.
Ace and the Doctor had brilliant chemistry and the actors were very well in tune with the show, the problem was apart from two exceptional shows and a a plethora of mediocre attempts the writing was abysmal. The fact some of it worked was completely down to the McCoy/Aldred team. Bonnie Langford had already poisoned the well as as assistant with that screechy unbearable voice, and those left saw the writing on the wall... A crying shame the BBC knowingly kill it... AND THEY'VE DONE IT AGAIN! KNOWINGLY DESTROYING A SUCCESSFUL SHOW!!!
It was a scifi comedy, it was more a pisstake of scifi and rumour has it the only reason it got the green light was the controller who was leaving 2 trying to get back at the person taking over. There is a whole story around that show
What's really sad is that Dr Who is in a worse position now than back then. It was absolutely brilliant compared to how it is now. The show is more of a joke and the fans for once actually want it to be rested.
JNT slowly bled this show to death. From bad stories, to even worse costume and set design, low budget doesn’t equate to bad costume and set design, just look at Blake’s 7 and others, to absolutely ridiculous dialogue. It was a death by a thousand cuts. I have absolutely nothing nice to say about JNT so I therefore say, NOTHING NICE
I mean doctor who had no real main set, it was a case of making new sets every story which would have cost a fair bit, the costumes is the fact doctor who didnt have one costume team, the bbc costume and make up department changed on every story, also some cracking monster designs couldnt be used like the original vampires design for the curse of fenric which was amazing
@@KeiranCounsellKC1994 you assume that cost directly relates to choice in appearance. That’s down to the producer. Hence my qualifier, the low budget argument is a non-starter. Others literally in the same situation, produced better looking costumes and sets. That’s not a budget constraint, that’s a creative one and it points to JNT. Choosing better make-up and costume and set designers again comes back to JNT. If he’s changing the people who work on his show every story, again that comes back to his choices of either people or not setting the standards of quality appearance. And why is JNT firing and hiring an entire make-up and costume and set design team for every story? There is no saving or excusing the slow butchery this man did to Dr. Who From the day that JNT took over I noticed an immediate decline in the show and it slowly got worse over time. Chibnall at least cut off the head and created a corpse. JNT slowly bled the body dry. Drip by drip.
I don't think it helped that John didn't care about the quality of the writing , he was more interested in the finished article and the look of the show.
I grew up in the 80s and into the 90s, and Doctor Who was getting more and more pantomine farcial compared to other sci-fi going on at the time. Aliens, Star Trek TNG, Alien Nation TV series, etc were more gritty and realistic. While Doctor Who was still CBBC wobbly set and cardboard cheap looking. It was edging to embarassing.
Yeah doctor who did fall into the trap of not taking itself seriously enough which its still stuck in to this day and the production values didnt help, for red dwarf this type of thing worked well but not for who
Alien Nation TV series ? Where is that now lol , And TNG was pretty awful 87/89 didn’t get good until season 3. And Aliens was a movie so no comparison.
@@garypayne4284 yeah i think its fair to say 80s scifi suffered mainly because the technology just wasnt there and most scifi concepts that were good had already been done
@@garypayne4284 Back them there was only two forms of media, TV and cinema. TV only had 4 channels. You had to plan what to watch, and if you missed it, god knows when you would see it again unless you had it vhs taped. And TV airs movies all the time, so they are comparable imo. I mention Alien Nation as it came out the same year McCoy's era ended. Scifi was changing just as TNG did from the first seasons as you said . The BBC must have been looking at the style of other shows/movies at the time and didn't want to commit to the tons of money revamping Who to keep up.
