@@Zaymont720 that would be pretty epic if they actually stick to the regeneration counter this time and not reset it, such a shame we didnt get a final doctor, (very very angry at the fact he was the last and going to die, turning into the valeyard for a series)
The curator is presumably the final doctor and what he meant by revisiting old faces is the fact that the curator can seemingly change into older versions of past doctors. We have seen the curator as 4, 6, and 11
Actually it's confirmed on Twitter that they wanted Anneke Wills (Polly) in the scene, but she dropped out at the last minute and they probably had already set up the scene with her in mind.
@@calvinfranklyn5499 Probably another project or maybe being sick on the day of filming. I believe something similar happened with Tom Baker, who as I understand, was contacted for the "Guardians of the Edge" scene, but refused due to bad health.
Could Jodie regenerating back into David's doctor explain Tom Baker's appearance as the curator in the 50th? He did mention revisiting a few 'old favourites'.
Possibly, but my money is on it being the Toymaker. It's not a normal regeneration obviously, as the clothes changed, so I think there's some external element involved. Assuming that NPH is playing the Toymaker. If he's not, then it's whichever character hs is playing.
From 'Mr Saxon', to 'Missy' to 'O', every new-series incarnation of the Master has been given to utterly glorious levels of hammy overacting given half a chance and I love them for it.....
With forced regenerations, you can force yourself to regenerate into anyone or any species. And with the master, he used his face and memories and quite literally everything as a template for what she would be forced to regenerate into. And it would guide that next life. It was still very much the doctor, but also the master. Hint, the clothes, the recorder.
I enjoyed this episode. I haven’t loved this era, largely due to the writing, but I loved Jodie and was glad she got a decent sendoff. As this was 5he BBC Centenary Spevial it made sense the cameos were classic Who era, linking it with the history of the BBC. Loved the regen. Really beautiful and having my favourite Doctor back is so surreal. Having seen DT and Catherine Tate and Co filming some scenes for 60th, I’m so excited to see them and then Ncuti after that.
In regards to the Guardians, Chibnall said that he wasn't sure what the plans were regarding the 'new' Doctors and the upcoming 60th, so he reached out to only the Classic Doctors for that scene. Tom Baker was the only one who was unavailable.
I theorized the clothes changed because she was regenerating into a previous Doctor who knew his style. The other regens were 'new' people who hadn't chose their 'look' yet. OR...they just didn't have Jodie's wardrobe available. Who knows.
FYI, the location of the regeneration is Durdle Door, a well known landmark on the south coast of England, in the county of Dorset, near where Chris Chibnall lives. The same coastline that inspired Broadchurch.
I do like how Teagan's salt casts an interesting point about how old!Who left behind companions and all but forgot about them (there were exceptions, the biggest being Alistair Lethbridge-Stewart).
@@TheMimiSard almost certainly the same prop, if thats what you mean. Though as far as the character is concerned, given she's a UNIT contractor, and given the way it goes through a dalek, despite the new series giving them scifitech forcefields ands armour, its possible that's not *just* a conventional baseball bat anymore......
Love that you're familiar with the classic era to really appreciate the companions and former Doctors and you even recognised Ian who was last seen in the show 57 years ago! :O That's gotta be up there with longest ever gaps between times performing a character. :O
To be fair, many who are fans of modern Doctor Who go back to check out the earliest episodes to see how it started. So even if they are unfamiliar with anything between Troughton and McGann, they'd at least know Ian, Barbara, and Susan
During the regeneration scene you said "Where are we?" That's Durdle Door! Very famous UK landmark! They chose something extremely recognisable to UK viewers!
I lurk a lot here, but I just wanted to say RE: Cyber Masters (I'm typing as I began the reaction, so if you address it later, I apologise and will amend my comment). But in The Timeless Children, before the explosion on Galifrey, The Master runs away with them. It's barely audible, but you can hear him saying "Through here!"
Watched your reaction twice now - nice to see someone who’s familiar with old classic Who - I’ve been watching for 40 years so Tegan is my favourite companion so you can imagine how emotional I got watching this! Keep up the excellent reactions dude ❤
She’s mine too. And there were so many peak Teagan moments. Like, “How’ve you been?” “LIKE YOU CARE.” … “I think I handled that well!” I mean, by Tegan standards, yeah. No one even got slapped!
Seeing 7 & Ace had me literally sobbing! He wasn’t my original Doctor, but their relationship was the one that made me the type of fan who went to Cons during the wilderness years, & be able to directly quote whole episodes!
And since he apparently goes by the name "The Curator" rather than The Doctor, it could lead to him eventually adopting different names, and could lead to or explain time spent as The Valeyard. Reference "Trial of a Time Lord"
@@k1productions87 They'd also still have not become The Valeyard either but one could say that future was erased in one of the many reboots of the universe.
@@kaptainawesome8921 Oh, whoops! Forgot about that one. Yeah when he siphoned of his regeneration energy, healing himself and then creating the Meta-Crisis Doctor too.
i was so shocked at the regen, also moved by the send. i cant believe i managed to avoid such a spoiler if people expected that to been the 10th Doctor....i literally jaw dropped
@@Robert-tl2vg actually i did, didnt click on anything dr who related. Even stayed off facebook (not that anyone on my friend list talks about it. only got spoiled by the new doctor in the next episode part. I actually like being surprised on shows and reveals :)
Glad you picked up on the line "I know these teeth" - first thing 10 said after regenerating was "...New teeth..that's weird.. now where was I , oh yes.. Barcelona!
I loved this episode! My first Doctor was either 3 or 4… I say that because they just played the episodes randomly back then. Grew up with the others, then utterly fell head-over-heels for 7/Ace! I loved seeing them, & everyone else - especially Ian Chesterton!! My dog is named after him! The episode itself didn’t make complete sense, but I’m glad that Jodi’s Doctor and Yas got to have this last wild adventure!
Really liked this episode. There were a few poorer points but 95% of this episode was peak Jodie’s era. Loved the regen. Looking forward to what RTD will do next year
In the day of the doctor, the curator (Tom baker) told the doctor (Matt smith) the he’d be revisiting some of the old faces but only the favorites. So it can happen.
You recognized the frame rate thing too. Okay, it wasn’t just me. I didn’t exactly hate it but yeah since Jamie Magnus Stone directed it, he’s one of the strongest WHO directors to date next to Rachel Talay and a few others.
The Master is one of few of the Doctor's opponents who actually succeed sometimes. Only for their efforts to be reversed of course. The Master successfully rules over humanity, time gets reversed. The Master converts Humanity, the Timelords revert everyone. The Master literally replaces the Doctor's existence, and then that gets fixed too. This dude can't catch a break. Even when he wins he loses.
You know, it occurs to me none of Eleven's regular companions are around to come to this support group? Jo and Kate have both met him, 10 has Martha, Mickey, and Jack out there somewhere, but Amy, Rory, River, and Clara are all gone :( Damn Moffat and his habit of killing off companions indirectly!
Realistically, out of all modern companions, Only Martha could have been there, especially in terms of filming, as Noel Clark has ruined his whole career, and I don't see the BBC bring back John Barrowman due to his Controversy.
there are no 4th doctor companions either, or 2nds. Out of Toms companions only Leela and Romana2 lives, both of them were last seen on Gallifrey, as to 2nd only Jamie and Maybe Victoria still lives, Victoria could be on the zoom, and if Jamie is still alive hes in 17th century Scottland
I think it’s a literal iteration of Tennant’s initial take on the doctor. He seems confused, but I think the personality will more or less be the same. If he retains all of his memories from the past couple of seasons, then he’ll already be a different character than the 10th in that aspect
the doctors returning old who, i defintley teared up, it touches me lot cause i seen them a lot at comic con in London, where im from and cause most of older ones like two bakers, and mccoy dont have a lot on their hands, they so sweet in the green room, which where we go for to eat, comic writers mix up with the actors sometimes, so have few chats with them, it felt like watching your friends on tv
I think that the "forced degeneration" thing we see in 1916 might have gone too far?! Also in the 50th anniversary episode with Tom Baker and Matt Smith...."you can go back and revisit some old favorites". It was so good seeing Ace and Tegan too!
My head canon is John Simm -> Sacha Dhawan -> Michelle Gomez. and if you really think John Simm would have regenerated around a ton of Cybermen which may be why Sacha uses them so much
Because of this episode every classic Doctor except the 4th has returned outside of their era. It’s crazy how that contrasts to the modern era where only 10 has returned outside his era (except 11’s really brief cameo in Deep Breath which doesn’t really count). I don’t think we’ll ever see 9 or 12 again since Ecclestone fell out with the TV side of the show and Capaldi said he’s done his time, but I’m hoping some day in the future we might see 11, 13 and 14 again in some form.
great show best of this Dr's Regen. only query i have is the clothing change on regen i dont know that's ever happened cant think.. its always new Dr in old Dr's clothing i.e. Jodie wearing Peter's suit. and i HOPE we keep this Master..
I think Ncuti is still 14, but Tennant is what I like to call the Next Doctor, he'll only be around for next year probably and then after the 60th celebrations, we'll be properly introduced to the 14th Doctor
@@RavenStarMedia Sorry, I didn't read that information yet, I have now and if RTD himself says Tennant is 14 and Gatwa is 15, then Tennant is 14 and Gatwa is 15
@@silvertheduelistpilotofata0131 let's take what we are told we know there were doctors before who don't count also war who doesn't count so let's take it as they say
WHAT THE FUCK?! That was my reaction. I was expecting and looking forward to Ncuti. Knew Tennent was going to be in the 60th, but thought it was a 2 Doctor scenario. Caught me off guard. But I was pleased.
11:25 ohh, you broken down, mate. Gosh I just wish I can understand how that feels... I'm still in early 4th Doctor run. But even without those knowledges, still get the feels between the interaction of them and previous incarnations...
My theory with the regeneration, is it's not going to be classed as a full regeneration. Due to the forced regeneration, and possible trauma, Ten's return could be a bridge until The Doctor finds themself. We don't see who Ncuti is talking to. He may be at the very same place Jodi was. Talking to, and gaining some insight from previous Doctors. Rember the show returns for the 60th Anniversary. What a simple explanation for having as many previous Doctors as possible.
I genuinely enjoyed this episode. It 100 percent had ALLLL of the faults of chibnall writing, in absolute spades. the chief one being the doctor largely felt like a vessel for his own ambitions and messy stories he wanted to tell rather than as an individual incarnation with any sense of interiority or actual emotional journey. Its this lack of character arc and drama that has landed me on the opinion that this was a great, fun, fan servicey treat of an episode that celebrates the history of the show, but at the same time, jodie/13 was basically a plot point in. so not a truly great final episode for HER doctor. She had some great moments mind but whenever there was genuine feeling or emotion with her doctor it was purely her bringing that out, almost never the script itself. However, putting aside my qualms about how her doctor was once again relegated to an exposition machine for chibnalls stories, the episode itself was a messy fun as hell adventure: LOADS of great moments from a character perspective, loads of fun action and visual moments that really added up to a crazy, memorable adventure. Once again though, I would say it worked in spite of a graceless, witless script rather than because of it,
For me this is what a Doctor Who episode should be. It should just be a fun rollercoaster. It's what Chibnall and the other writers forgot. They were so focused on every episode having some kind of message and preaching to their audience they forgot the fun! Doctor Who is at it's heart a goofy sci-fi show and that's what this episode was.
Agreed. Though the horrendous location tags ("ICELAND" etc) still annoyed the hell out of me that they took me out of it every time they plastered the screen.
Don’t know if you just didn’t hear it but unit was ready they had gold bullets which would normally hurt cybermen but the cyber man said they upgraded themself to be able to handle to gold bullets
I think Tennant will be in one or two episodes I don't see him sticking around for a full season even though I would be completely down for that happening especially since Russell T Davies is back in the writers chair.
Well that's good, I'm happy that he's going to be in at least more than one episode, David Tennant is for sure in my top 3 doctors of all time, he's made up of pure talent.
Is it too soon for a reference to the fact the doctor has vanity issues again with the timeless child reveal among other things. and the regeneration who incapsulated vanity issues returns. Imagine what 11 would be thinking if he knew he'd get that face again
I don't think it's the 10th Doctors body with a new personality, I think Tennant's 10th Doctor has been resurrected as the 14th, hence the "What! What! What?" It will be interesting to see how he behaves, or how it changes his behavior now that he also has the memories and experiences of the 3 Doctors that came in between.
Maybe it has something to do with the fact Yaz and and Vinder did a forced degeneration to drive The Master back into his body and because of that it caused a degeneration. But because the 9th Doctor (I think) said that normal degenerations are impossible, it could be the Celestial Toymaker’s doing.
I think were going to look back on the Chibnall/Jodie era fondly in futuretimes. He fucked up a LOT, but thats mainly because he easily took the most risks any incoming showrunner has faced when it comes to introducing new plot elements. From his first season being devoid of classic elements (something I still respect, that season has some of my favourite episodes of all time), to a new take on the Cartmel Masterplan, to the insane ambition of Doctor Who Flux. his biggest sin was missing the mark. One can argue that he should have aimed lower but imho I'm glad he took those risks. He's left RTD with so many interesting plot threads, from a version of UNIT seemingly entirely staffed by classic companions (which, with a return from osgood is basically the PERFECT recipe for a spin off I mean come on) to the whole still unresolved timeless child arc (which has been left in the hands of RTD and could therefore end very well), his overall effect on the canon has been a positive one imo. Not to mention the Ruth Doctor. Comics have rendered her as the "first doctor" but lets face it, the TV show can and probably will retcon that for something a bit more fitting. Im still gunning for my theory that she exists betwixt Troughton and Pertwee which would finally and properly canonise the Season 6b theory. For a lot of people, our unenjoyment of his tenure has been a result of stress, as his writing is often very flawed and it was very worrying seeing what he did with the universe, but now we don't have to worry about that, I think it will be a lot easier for people to see the good in this era.
Did the doctor blast through 3 regenerations in this episode? 13-master-13-14 (Tennant), and with the 60th having him regenerate into 15 (Ncuti) then they'll have gone through 4 regenerations in just over a year our time, maybe shorter in-universe.
What do you really thinking of David Tennant back? Do you think good idea for 60th anniversary for once of his lifetime OR not necessarily as bad idea?
Apart from the opening/ending of the main plot, the rest was pretty great. Though, the main soundtrack piece sounded eerily similar to the Collector theme from Mass Effect, which was weird.
This episode was absolutely filled with Fanservice, but it felt like said fanservice was actually in service of the central theme, which is analyzing the Doctor/companion relationship through the years. It’s a really nice, if messy, finale. Maybe a better one than the Chibnall era deserves.
I wasn't a big fan of series 11, I felt that at least 4 episodes in that season were underwhelming. However, I adored series 12, series 13, and the specials, and they were consistently my favorite seasons since series 4 and 5. I think my ranking of modern who seasons would be: Series 4 Series 13 + specials Series 12 Series 5 Series 10 Series 7 Series 9 Series 2 Series 4 specials Series 3 Series 1 Series 11 Series 6 Series 8
the last time the master was at unit he was missy and she killed one of the osgoods and crashed a plane i know the doctor hates guns but after master said "i hope im going to unit the doctor took no chances😂 it also shows the doctor has a solider mentality witch is why the doctors say no solders as a companion the doctor needs someone who wont blindly follow orders witch might be why she regenerated without yazz
Question. Wont the forced regeneration count as a two regens? as in using up two lives? They will have to make use of the Timeless Child plot where she has unlimited regens somehow. Especially with supposidly no more timelords now
The episode was the best. From the return of Mel, Jo grant, Ian Chesterton, Kate Stewart to classic Doctors actually live doing real stuff within the story. Lots of action, thrills and chills and it was a great send off for 13. and i loved your review buddy. Yes Tennant is 14th and then Nacuti becomes 15. You were curious as to why Tennant was brought back... Simple, the viewing figures here in the UK had fallen pretty badly and R T Davies wanted to get die hard fans back supporting the show so he came up with the idea of the Doctor becoming Tennant because here Tennant was like one of the most popular Doctors in the new era of Who. It was a well calculated publicity stunt to get the rating back up. You may not be aware of that in the USA.
💖💖💖Aaaaaaaaaaaaaa OMG I just finished the special. So many things in this episode brought me to tears. The absolute brilliance to bring back all the companions... And all the doctors in her mind like that. The regeneration at the end... This episode blew my freakin mind out the back of my head. With all the nostalgia, old companions and classic doctors, I was literally in tears the entire episode. And was ugly crying by the End!! I loved Jodie's run, and will miss her dearly. But, I am just so excited for the future. This was a fantastically brilliant, master class of an episode. Let's GOOO!!! I can't wait to jump into the next adventure... GGGEEEERRRROOONNIIIMMMOOOO !!!! 💖💖💖💖
Yaz won’t be picked back up the new companion has been announced look it up. There was an empty chair in the companion reunion that was for Sarah Jane smith 👍. R.I.p. liz sladen.
Question, Does this ruin the 60th? Normally the 60th is when we see them bring back the previous Doctors and companions for an adventure. Does this mean that they wont do that for the 60th or does the end of this episode set up the 60th? Correct me if I'm wrong but The Doctor (I know we call him 14 but Tennant is technically 16 as he regenerated into himself 2x before now, Smith was 13 because of the addition of the War Doctor who has no number,) technically still had the other Doctors standing guard inside the Tardis and old companions are still around, could this facilitate that at least ONE of the 3 part adventures if not 3 features them? I would think you could do what they used to do in the old serial like the 5 Doctors where they broke the story into multiple parts (story arcs), that way you feature some of them in each story helping out so they don't overwhelm the main story. I could see this kind of like "Name of the Doctor" when Clara jumped into the Doctors time stream and we got glimpses of all the previous Doctors but in the 50th we only (and I don't mean that in a bad way) had 4, 10, 11. I'm just hoping that this doesn't take the wind out of the sails of the 60th special as the those are meant to "Special" and a time for the Doctor's to be together.
I’m so ecstatic for David Tennant to be back i can actually watch the show again. Jodie’s era sucked it was so so bad. Ive been a doctor who fan since the 3rd incarnation of the doctor Jon Pertwee though i prefer Tom Baker for classic who. i wasn’t born for the first two doctors but they regenerated the same was a jodie and david change of person and outfit i’m also looking forward to Ncuti Gatwa and what he has to offer. If RTD and David Tennant hadn’t agreed to come back there would not be a doctor who the show was going to be cancelled then RTD agreed to come back and now we have a new era in Ncuti who will be the 15th doctor. David Tennant is and always will be my doctor and not just because we’re both Scottish but because doctor who will actually have an actor who can actually act unlike a certain female who has just left thank god. David is only in it for three episodes for doctor who’s 60th birthday. i wish it was longer then Ncuti follows after him. Ive never screamed so load when Tennant appeared. Fun fact but did you know more people tuned in for Tennant’s reveal than watched her actual episode so what does that say about Jodie’s era. Roll on November 2023 with actors of quality and storytelling. The only timelord that should be female was the master missy worked the doctor didn’t and i hope and pray we NEVER EVER see another female doctor again. Take care 😘🏴
